Let me put in a word concerning time spent in Bible memorization and review. 
Basically,  we find time for what we value.   What I strive for is "fluency" in
quoting Scripture so that the words flow naturally,  smoothly, without
hesitation.   When Scripture is memorized to that extent - meditating on it,  
reviewing it and making it a part of my daily schedule is enjoyable,   not a
drudgery to be endured.   I enjoy quoting over 1000 verses per day,  every day
with no days off.   Sure,  it takes time  (70-90
minutes/day)  but what better way to "redeem the time"  than being in God's
Word?  I just got back from the "rec center" where I quoted 31 chapters mentally
while doing the step machine for a good physical,  mental,  and spiritual
workout.  I guess I gravitate to the philosophy that few things in life are
attained unless we are willing to devote time,  effort and energy to its
attainment.   This includes learning of languages (how much French would you
learn if you only reviewed 5 min/day?)  music (what kind of piano player would
you be with 5 min/day?)  or Scripture.   I am a 59 year old public school
teacher (music) Elder who has found great joy and,  I believe,  spiritual growth
in memorizing, reviewing,  and meditating on Scripture. Sam

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Age and memory. Seems to get harder to memorize the older I get. Any thoughts.

   Don

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Let me put in a word concerning time spent in Bible memorization and review. 
Basically,  we find time for what we value.   What I strive for is "fluency" in
quoting Scripture so that the words flow naturally,  smoothly, without
hesitation.   When Scripture is memorized to that extent - meditating on it,  
reviewing it and making it a part of my daily schedule is enjoyable,   not a
drudgery to be endured.   I enjoy quoting over 1000 verses per day,  every day
with no days off.   Sure,  it takes time  (70-90
minutes/day)  but what better way to "redeem the time"  than being in God's
Word?  I just got back from the "rec center" where I quoted 31 chapters mentally
while doing the step machine for a good physical,  mental,  and spiritual
workout.  I guess I gravitate to the philosophy that few things in life are
attained unless we are willing to devote time,  effort and energy to its
attainment.   This includes learning of languages (how much French would you
learn if you only reviewed 5 min/day?)  music (what kind of piano player would
you be with 5 min/day?)  or Scripture.   I am a 59 year old public school
teacher (music) Elder who has found great joy and,  I believe,  spiritual growth
in memorizing, reviewing,  and meditating on Scripture. Sam

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dear sam, ooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhh you wonderful thing you, a 1000 verses a day,
ive never done. but i have done a chapter or several verses over and over again
while working at dupont. i liken it too combing God's hair, slowly thinking
about loving him with his word over and over again...i'd like to learn french
too, later i may take a class at john tyler...you encouraged me redeeming the
time. this morning i memorized this verse, i let no one beguile me with
voluntary humility or worshipping of angels, intruding into those things he has
not seen, puffed up by his fleshly mind.
collosians 2:18. well sam i just had to write back, thanks for the
encouragement. sincerely, david smalley

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Let me put in a word concerning time spent in Bible memorization and review. 
Basically,  we find time for what we value.   What I strive for is "fluency" in
quoting Scripture so that the words flow naturally,  smoothly, without
hesitation.   When Scripture is memorized to that extent - meditating on it,  
reviewing it and making it a part of my daily schedule is enjoyable,   not a
drudgery to be endured.   I enjoy quoting over 1000 verses per day,  every day
with no days off.   Sure,  it takes time  (70-90
minutes/day)  but what better way to "redeem the time"  than being in God's
Word?  I just got back from the "rec center" where I quoted 31 chapters mentally
while doing the step machine for a good physical,  mental,  and spiritual
workout.  I guess I gravitate to the philosophy that few things in life are
attained unless we are willing to devote time,  effort and energy to its
attainment.   This includes learning of languages (how much French would you
learn if you only reviewed 5 min/day?)  music (what kind of piano player would
you be with 5 min/day?)  or Scripture.   I am a 59 year old public school
teacher (music) Elder who has found great joy and,  I believe,  spiritual growth
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i'd like to recommend a free bible study software program that is worthy of
support.    e-sword.net  you can have tons of different versions of the bible at
fingertips  it was with it that i gave the french louis the second version of
 
Col 2:18  Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and
worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen,
vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

Col 2:18  Qu'aucun homme, sous une apparence d'humilité et par un culte des
anges, ne vous ravisse à son gré le prix de la course, tandis qu'il s'abandonne
à ses visions et qu'il est enflé d'un vain orgueil par ses pensées charnelles,

katie grace

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dear sam, ooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhh you wonderful thing you, a 1000 verses a day,
ive never done. but i have done a chapter or several verses over and over again
while working at dupont. i liken it too combing God's hair, slowly thinking
about loving him with his word over and over again...i'd like to learn french
too, later i may take a class at john tyler...you encouraged me redeeming the
time. this morning i memorized this verse, i let no one beguile me with
voluntary humility or worshipping of angels, intruding into those things he has
not seen, puffed up by his fleshly mind.
collosians 2:18. well sam i just had to write back, thanks for the
encouragement. sincerely, david smalley

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Subject: BibleMem: time committment

Let me put in a word concerning time spent in Bible memorization and review. 
Basically,  we find time for what we value.   What I strive for is "fluency" in
quoting Scripture so that the words flow naturally,  smoothly, without
hesitation.   When Scripture is memorized to that extent - meditating on it,  
reviewing it and making it a part of my daily schedule is enjoyable,   not a
drudgery to be endured.   I enjoy quoting over 1000 verses per day,  every day
with no days off.   Sure,  it takes time  (70-90
minutes/day)  but what better way to "redeem the time"  than being in God's
Word?  I just got back from the "rec center" where I quoted 31 chapters mentally
while doing the step machine for a good physical,  mental,  and spiritual
workout.  I guess I gravitate to the philosophy that few things in life are
attained unless we are willing to devote time,  effort and energy to its
attainment.   This includes learning of languages (how much French would you
learn if you only reviewed 5 min/day?)  music (what kind of piano player would
you be with 5 min/day?)  or Scripture.   I am a 59 year old public school
teacher (music) Elder who has found great joy and,  I believe,  spiritual growth
in memorizing, reviewing,  and meditating on Scripture. Sam

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My dad stated the same complaint every time I tried to encourage him to memorize
a portion of scriptureSmiley emoticon(Dad is 55)  However, this year he started
the book of Ephesians and is now to chapter 5!!  What he told me is that he
would take about a verse a day and go over it in the morning when he rode his
bike(for you, whatever your routine is).  Then he and mom started saying their
verses once a day together.  Coincidentally, dad's memory work inspired mom to
get going.  She started memorizing 1 Peter. What my dad noticed in all of this
was how much sharper his memory became over time.  The more scripture he
learned, the easier it became.  He was amazed by it, because he, like you, did
not think he would be able to retain it.  My 5 year old daughter and me had
inspired him to start memorizing. I've memorized some large portions of
scripture, as well as Philippians. Dad would always say that he thought I had
some special gift, but I told him that it really did not have to do with
anything other than a love for God's word, God giving the increase, and a
determination to discipline my mind. Now, he and mom are my inspiration....and
the people in this group.  It is the discipline that is the hardest, I
think....and the power of sin in our flesh telling us over and over to give up,
because we just can't do it...it's too hard.    The truth is that "nothing is
impossible with God." Scripture states that it is His will/desire for us to hide
His word in our hearts....and John 15:7 says "If you remain in me and my words
remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be given you."  I understand
this to mean that when we ask for something in accordance with God's will, it is
His pleasure to give it to us.  If we ask in sincerity for the Counselor's help
in such an endeavor, I believe scripture supports me in saying that He will
deliver that help.  Again, keeping in mind that only God knows our hearts. The
book of John also agrees with this in saying that He, the Counselor, will teach
you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you."--John
14:26 Those of us who love the Lord find that His word only deepens that love. 
In putting that word into our hearts(not just our minds) it fills us to
overflowing and spills forth into the lives of those around us.  This brings
glory to the Lord, which is our purpose.  It is all about Him and His glory.  We
are so blessed to be able to share in His glory, it is truly humbling to think
about!  Our minds are finite and made of that which is perishing, but God's
supernatural word has enormous power to revive our minds and bring forth His
eternal purposes.  Remember...."we have this treasure in jars of clay..."
 
 
In His love,
 
Sarah
 

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Age and memory. Seems to get harder to memorize the older I get. Any thoughts.

   Don

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Let me put in a word concerning time spent in Bible memorization and review.
Basically, we find time for what we value. What I strive for is "fluency" in
quoting Scripture so that the words flow naturally, smoothly, without
hesitation. When Scripture is memorized to that extent - meditating on it,
reviewing it and making it a part of my daily schedule is enjoyable, not a
drudgery to be endured. I enjoy quoting over 1000 verses per day, every day with
no days off. Sure, it takes time (70-90
minutes/day) but what better way to "redeem the time" than being in God's Word?
I just got back from the "rec center" where I quoted 31 chapters mentally while
doing the step machine for a good physical, mental, and spiritual workout. I
guess I gravitate to the philosophy that few things in life are attained unless
we are willing to devote time, effort and energy to its attainment. This
includes learning of languages (how much French would you learn if you only
reviewed 5 min/day?) music (what kind of piano player would you be with 5
min/day?) or Scripture. I am a 59 year old public school teacher (music) Elder
who has found great joy and, I believe, spiritual growth in memorizing,
reviewing, and meditating on Scripture. Sam

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Confession time.  I've dropped the ball with regard memorizing new Scripture
over the past four weeks.  I'm in the midst of a job change and... well, I'll
climb back on the wagon as soon as possible.  I'm discovering that memorizing
Wisdom literature (my current project is Proverbs 10-31) is making a profound
impact on my life and I'm eager to get back to it.

One bit of good news is that I am keeping up with my daily review.  It probably
takes me an hour per day to review the Scripture I've already memorized but I
find the reward well worth that investment.

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Have a question I would appreciate input on.  I'm interested in many different
perspectives on this.

How important is knowing what the Scripture is saying to memorizing it?
What role does understanding play in remembering?  Do you prefer to understand
then memorize or memorize then understand?

What process do you go through, if you feel a passage must be understood before
memorized, in order to understand it?

Your servant,
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In response to below I'd like to quote from Piotr Wozniak:

"Memorization is more important to genius than the sheer brain power. This
comparative statement is justified by the fact that most of us are born with
sufficient brain power, but only [a few develop it]."

The above statement assumes that understanding is the end goal.  And certainly
this is true with Scripture.  We are not parrots simply mouthing the Word of
God.  We are humans endowed by our Creator with the image of himself and as such
must ever pursue becoming more like Him.  By necessity this pursuit encompasses
understanding, and understanding requires knowledge.  A simple lack of knowledge
of the Scripture is a chief barrier in understanding - specifically that
knowledge characterized by memorization.  The more we memorize (ever pursuing
Christ) the more our capacity for understanding increases.

In Christ,

David Baldwin
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Have a question I would appreciate input on.  I'm interested in many different
perspectives on this.

How important is knowing what the Scripture is saying to memorizing it?
What role does understanding play in remembering?  Do you prefer to understand
then memorize or memorize then understand?

What process do you go through, if you feel a passage must be understood before
memorized, in order to understand it?

Your servant,
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Thanks so much for the advice from all those who've responded to my post!  I
really greatly appreciate it.
To answer the question here, I've memorized the book of Philippians and at least
a hundred other verses and Psalms scattered throughout scripture.  I had started
memorizing Acts when I was pregnant with my 2nd child in 2003 and made it to
chapter 6, which is my goal.  I got busy with life and children, though and
never finished chapter 6.  Now, I'm relearning it and have had to go over
chapters 4 and 5 again.  I'm not quite back to chapter six.  .  The last couple
of weeks I've sort of let it go, because I was feeling defeated.  I'm feeling
encouraged now though to try it again and take a chap. at a time, as you were
describing.  I think I will use that method.  I was trying to go from chapter
one all the way up to the point that I'm at, then trying to go forward.  It is
so easy to give up is the problem.  Thanks for instructions and help...I will
try it.


Sarah

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First, what a great yet challenging book to memorize! Have you memorized much
before? How far are you into Acts already?

I think memorizing larger chunks of material is a lot different then learning
scattered verses. Here are some thoughts that might help you.
Especially regarding reviewing the material you've already learned.

First, it's good to forget!

I've found that if I learn new material and review it too much without letting
it sit I don't learn it as well long term. I typically find that the best way to
really get new material into long term memory is to: 1) Learn it
2) Let it sit until I've actually forgotten parts of it 3) Re-Learn it 4) Repeat
as neccessary. :)

After a while you'll start to realize that even after not looking at it for a
week the re-learning process has turned into a review.

It sounds like everytime you sit down to learn a couple of verses you first
review everything you've learned. That's easy for a couple of chapters and then
you start taking all of your time to review and you can't learn new material.

Here is what I would do:

Just worry about one chapter at a time. Break the chapter down to sections (by
topic, event or the section headings in your bible) and then break each section
down into paragraphs.

Work on the first paragraph until you feel you know it. After you are done with
that move onto the next paragraph. Don't worry about the first!

Once you get 2 or 3 paragraphs learned. Then go back and try putting all three
of them together. (Don't worry if you have to re-learn parts of the earlier
paragraphs, it's a good thing...honest!).

Work your way through the chapter this way.

After you have finished a couple chapters I'd try setting a Learn, Re-Learn,
Review schedule. Something like this:

1) Learn chapter 3
2) Re-learn chapter 2
3) Review Chapter 1
4) Learn chapter 4
5) Re-Learn chapter 3
6) Review chapter 2
7) Learn chapter 5
8) Re-Learn Chapter 4
9) Review Chapter 3
10) Learn Chapter 6

At some point you'd want to insert 2nd and 3rd reviews for the the earlier
chapters. Each time you go over a chapter let it sit longer. Eventually you'll
pick up a chapter you haven't looked at in weeks and be surprised that you
remember most of it!

Remember that the goal is to remember it for the LONG term.

Sorry if this is long and too scattered in my thoughts! I hope it makes sense
and helps some.

-Lee

Bible Memory List wrote:

Hello there, I am just curious about how some people memorize.  I'm trying to
set a goal for myself to start my day by going over Acts, which is what I'm
trying to memorize currently, and to learn at least one to two more verses
daily.  I'm just wondering how most of you memorize and review, speaking in
terms of large books like Acts.  I always want to go over everything that I've
learned before going forward, but it takes so long and I'm easily distracted by
the children...I have 2(and one on the way), and just the business of home life,
etc.  I really want to stick to my goal this time.  I always seem to do well for
a couple of days and then my bible gets left in the car or some such thing and
I'm off track again.  Can some of you share your routines for accomplishing
memory goals.  Especially those of you with families or limited time.  I do
carry a small pocket bible and that helps.  I am trying to use mornings as my
best time, because I work from home at night, most nights.  I've been sick a lot
too over the last few months which doesn't help in keeping motivated.  One funny
thing is that I home school my five year old and each week she learns a new
verse, which I always seem to memorize right along with her.  I guess I think
it's funny, because even when I feel that I'm slacking, God gets His word into
me somehow...even if the passages are smaller.  I just need some good
suggestions for sticking to my goal.  Thanks!!


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Are you saying you don't memorize chapters and books anymore, but rather
selected verses here and there? Can you use Memlok to memorize and review entire
chapters?

Pursuing Him,
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Sarah recently noted (regarding review) "it takes so long".....

Exactly why I do MemLok. I've done lots of long passages. But the time to
"maintain" was a killer. I believe "review" is a "soul" thing...as in
"mental...brain", not a "spiritual" thing. So, I'm not real excited about
spending 20+ minutes a day reviewing to maintain. I'd rather "meditate/apply"
not be "rattling off". I am NOT saying that is a bad thing...both long and short
passage memorization DEFINITELY have their place.

Personally, I consistently spend 5 minutes a day, 5 days a week. The rotating
review in MemLok (automated and allows every member of your family to have their
own verses - 550 topics/700 verses NIV, KJV, NKJ or NASB) remains 5 minutes a
day at all times, and you do take the weekends off. By the way, Steve Simpson -
moderator - DID ask me to jump in every once in a while and tell about Memlok)
:)

End result? With one verse a week (suggested doing the Personal Notes to record
what the Lord is telling you or the Meditation sheet so you're building a
journal of His workings in your life - once a week having a "Quiet Time" around
the chapter from which the verse comes)......

You will be learning at least one key verse EVERY OT book, chapter of Proverbs,
tons of Psalms, and plenty of verses from EVERY chapter of the New Testament.

That is the equivalent of learning about 30 passages of 23 verses each.
And, your "keep up with them" time remains 5 minutes a day. Do you want to keep
up with 30 passages of 23 verses, but miss out on hundreds of other key chapters
and verses, while spending lots of time?

The MemLok review system works. By God's grace Memlok has become the method of
Scripture Memorization/Meditation in over 50 countries and thousands of folks
from 2-92 since 1989 when the Lord first introduced the fun picture idea via the
Notebook. Now, 99% download the software. :)

Let me know if I've raised more questions than I've answered please.

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Hi Betsey,
 
 I would say extremely important.  It also matters for what purpose you are
attempting to internalize the verse. 
 
If you want to memorize some verses in order to help drive away the blues and
just to feel better than most any verse that you come across that you like will
do fine.  However, if you are memorizing because you want to argue theology with
someone than you better make sure you have your scriptures chosen very
carefully.  (I don't mean argue in the mean nasty sense of yelling or beating
someone up with the bible.  I mean it in the sense of knowing where you stand
and trying to help someone else understand your position better.) 
 
This brings us to a whole new cabbage patch: the area of hermeneutics and
Systematic Theology.  Hermeneutics is the science and art of how to interpret
the bible, and Systematic Theology is how each of us tries to make all the
pieces/verses of the bible fit together so it makes a consistent story. 
 
What I would recommend is that you speak to your pastor about what your Church
believes and get a Statement of Belief from him, or your churches website.  I
would also ask him to give you some names of people who have written for your
point of view, theologians and scholars.  Then sit down and muddle your way
through the material.  I say muddle, not because I don't like it because I do,
but because most people find it very hard to get through.  However, if you can
develop a stomach for the stuff it will open up whole new worlds to you.  Kind
of like discovering you love Middle-Eastern food.  In my humble opinion this is
some of that meat the apostle Paul was talking about. 
 
I could give you some names of people I read, but that would be showing my bias
and leanings.  I think it is best that you approach your pastor and ask for a
good introduction to Theology, and a good book on hermeneutics or how to
interpret the bible, and ask him for your churches statement of belief. After
you have read those and if you have questions I would be glad to discusss why I
believe verse "X" means such and such and why you believe it means this and
that.  But probably not in this forum. 
 
Your other questions real quick:  Understanding has a large role in remembering
for me.  If I understand how the bible all fits together (according to my
slant), than I know where tons of verses are located right away.  I do not have
tons of scriptures memorized verbatim, but I can almost tell you where any verse
is located in the whole bible within a chapter of two.  You can qoute a verse
and ask, "Where is that verse found?"  And even if I have never attempted to
memorize it I can say, "Well, that seems to fit best over here."  And after a
few seconds of digging in my bible I can find the verse ( the majority of the
time).  So it is important and helpful to memory to understand how everything
fits together. 
 
I would rather understand before memorizing.  To memorize a verse out of context
and run around thinking it means one thing and really it means something else
kinda bothers me.  David Koresh the cult leader form Waco Texas, the Branch
Davidians, remember them?  He had tons of verses memorized and used to sit there
and qoute verse after verse and just beat his people down with the bible (yes,
the bible can be used in this way.  In bible college when I was 18 and young and
dumb , I used to do this type of thing with people, bible beating).  So, to me
it is better to know how the verses actually fit into the whole schema of things
than to just memorize. 
 
You wanted some varying opinions and you have another, now. 
 
Your servant, 
 
Eric

Bible Memory List  wrote:

Have a question I would appreciate input on. I'm interested in many different
perspectives on this.

How important is knowing what the Scripture is saying to memorizing it?
What role does understanding play in remembering? Do you prefer to understand
then memorize or memorize then understand?

What process do you go through, if you feel a passage must be understood before
memorized, in order to understand it?

Your servant,
Betsey

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Proverbs 4:23



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I signed up for this and did not hear anything for a long time. Now my email box
is full of believers so excited about learning scripture. It brings joy to my
heart and encourages me. I think the person that said use the verse during the
day that you are trying to memorize will help it to stay in your mind and may
also help to witness. I do not know if I can get to read each and every email
but I can say it has helped me and made me get busy. Thank you all and please
pray for me. I have a grandson in foster care and I used to memorize with him.
It took months before I could realize I had to just keep praying and start back
reading more of my bible and keep memorizing so when he does come back in my
life I will be a good example as a grandmother.
He is in Tn and there are no grandparent rights there. Your site has helped me
alot. In Christ, linda

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This is so weird!
I just finished putting some essays, if you will, up on my website that have to
do with understanding/scripture context and one on ability to memorize,
debunking the myth of "have's" and "have nots."  Then, I came to my e-mail and
found you guys talking about the same or similar subjects.  Please check out my
mini articles by going to www.slave2righteousness.com.  At the top of my home
page, there is a blurb and a link directing you to the articles.
Let me know what you think!
-Meg
All for Christ!

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Dear Members of the Bible Memory Email List,

Over the last few weeks several list members have been discussing the question
about how important it is to memorize passages of scripture exactly
word-for-word or if memorizing just the meaning is 'good enough'.  I think that
this is an excellent topic for discussion.

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One member wrote:

Colossians 1:3 from memory:

(MEMORY) "We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying
for you always."

Now let's see what it really is:

(BIBLE) "We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying
always for you,"

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This, by the way is the KJV.

I was surprised by some of the responses which this comment eventually
generated. There were a couple of messages sent to the list in response to this
which I did not forward to the entire group.  These comments mentioned things
like this:

A) We are warned in the word of God that we must not change the word of God by
adding to it or subtracting from it.
B) We dishonour God by not making every effort to memorize his word,
word-for-word.
C) We run the risk of misunderstanding the word and later will teach error if we
only memorize the 'meaning'.

These comments do not really address the question properly and could be a source
of discouragement for some.

- Switching a word or two around has nothing to do with adding to or subtracting
from the word of God.  This warning is reserved for those who attempt to teach a
distortion of the word of God for their own gain.

- Neither is it dishonouring to God to spend hours memorizing passages of
scripture and in the end up switching a few words around because your not as
good at memorizing as others.  It is honouring to God to try to memorize his
word even if you don't succeed.

- I think that it is true that we have to be careful about how ideas are
phrased.  Translating the scriptures from the original languages is a lot more
difficult than translating the daily news for example. Small little nuances are
very important.  We do have to check ourselves.  Having said this, small little
changes, such as as recalling "Jesus Christ our Lord"
instead of "Christ Jesus Our Lord" or even "Our Lord Jesus Christ" would very
rarly make a difference.

Look at this comparison of the above noted verse.

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NIV: We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for
you,

KJV: We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying
always for you,

NKJV:We give thanks to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying
always for you,

RSV: We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for
you,

YLT: We give thanks to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, always
praying for you,
----------------------------------------------------

My question is, how does this differ from the 'version' that was recited?

-- We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying for
you always.

And note also the following:

French(LSG): Nous rendons grâces à Dieu, le Père de notre Seigneur Jésus-Christ,
et nous ne cessons de prier pour vous,

Greek:       eucaristoumen tw yew kai patri tou kuriou hmwn ihsou cristou
pantote peri umwn proseucomenoi


All of the verses mentioned above can be called the word of God.  If we wanted
to be strict, then we would have to memorize only in Greek.

Here is my opinion on the matter.

I think you should strive for 100% accuracy in every detail, but realize that if
you are like most people, you will not achive 100% accuracy.  Just try your
best.  Those who memoize Shakespeare word for word are typically professionals
and spend a great deal of time making sure they do it perfectly.  The rest of us
are not and have to settle for doing our best.

As an aside, I always tell my children to do their best at school and when they
do not get perfect, I tell them it is ok.  However, I find myself having to tell
them that doing your best really does mean to give your best effort. 105%
effort.  Very often when people do not achive their goals it is because they
really did not give it their honest best effort.

As I grow older I appreciate the concept of setting people free in Christ.
If someone aspires to memorize the word of God, but finds themselves struggling,
they should never end up discouraged because of the details.

Blessings,

Stephen Simpson
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What a wonderful web page. Great advice too.

My name is Beth.
I love memorizing God's Word, and find that much of my shorter memory verses
come from a section of Scripture I've been meditating on. Have ya'll found that
to be true also?

I've memorized sections up to 2 chapters, but most of my memory work is 2-5
verse sections. Those of you that have memorized most of the NT are inspiring!

in Him
Beth

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Subject: BibleMem: This is so weird!


> This is so weird!
> I just finished putting some essays, if you will, up on my website
> that have to do with understanding/scripture context and one on
> ability to memorize, debunking the myth of "have's" and "have nots."
> Then, I came to my e-mail and found you guys talking about the same or
> similar subjects.  Please check out my mini articles by going to
> www.slave2righteousness.com.  At the top of my home page, there is a
> blurb and a link directing you to the articles.
> Let me know what you think!
> -Meg
> All for Christ!
>
> ________________________________________
> PeoplePC Online
> A better way to Internet
> http://www.peoplepc.com
>
>
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