Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 9:00 AM Subject: RE: Newbie Introduction From: "James Long" Greetings to Kate and all the new readers on the list. I tend to not read the mail from this list every day, but rather in periodic "binge" sessions. RnRetired (former nurse maybe? ) mentioned the missing passion from today's Christians. I must say that I have been both a victim and a witness to this phenomenon. I think that I hold a little insight on this matter, but I would like others to give feedback on this subject as well. As a few of you know I work with university students from evangelism through training in ministry. My experience, and that of my fellow laborers, is that people with no church background tend to come to Jesus with a greater passion and then grow spiritually (in terms of application not information) much faster than their counterparts who have a heavy background in Christianity. It seems that those with no background can look at verses like Rev. 3:20 and see the relational aspect of knowing Jesus. There is greater understanding that the Christian life is the process of getting to know Jesus better and walking with Him as He makes us more like Himself. Those who are steeped in religiosity often really struggle with relating to Jesus on a personal, intimate level. Their focus tend to be on what to do (activities, morality, ethics) or gaining more information. To tie this with what RnRetired said, the passion seems greater for those who come to Jesus with no heavy background, and the cause seems to be a clearer understand of relating to Jesus face to face. To draw an analogy to marriage, the activities involved in marriage do not make a marriage, and knowing facts about another person does not produce intimacy. It is possible to "go through the motions" of marriage, and just be coexisting with another person. A great marriage is one where there is great loyalty out of love between the two participants. It is this great loyalty out of love that I often see missing in Christians I run into every day. Much of my early Christian years were spent struggling to "do the right things" as a Christian. I felt great obligation to be at church three times a week, do a daily devotion, stand up to peer pressure, etc. When I hit college, I promptly ditched my "code of ethics" because of the weight of the burden and I walked away from all things spiritual. It was a year or so later that I discovered that what Jesus really wanted was a love relationship and personal intimacy, not activities. To me a relationship sounded great... Hosea 6:6 (NASB) For I delight in loyalty rather than sacrifice, And in the knowledge of God rather than burnt offerings. Since this time I have been receiving training is introducing other to Jesus and helping them mature to the point where they can help others. I share this just to give perspective on my background. This brings me to a natural conclusion that I have shared here before: If you do scripture memory for any reason other than to know Jesus better and to be more intimate with Him and have better understanding of who He is, you are missing so much of what Scripture Memory can be, and missing a great and wonderful benefit of the Christian walk. Well, I never intended to preach a sermon, or write a treatise on loving Jesus, but alas I have spoken too much and am late for work. Any thought on this from others? James _______________________________________________________________ James D. Long Department of Ag Economics University of Kentucky 331 Ag Engineering Building Lexington, KY 40504-0276 Office: (606)257-7272 ext 271 Mobile: (606)489-6309 *best number to catch me* Fax: (606)257-7290 -----Original Message----- From: LovesOwenaol.com [mailto:LovesOwenaol.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 9:00 AM To: biblememistar.ca Subject: Newbie Introduction Hello, my name is Kate , and I'm 15 years old. I'm currently doing a Topical Memorization Plan for studying scripture, but I hope to move to memorizing large parts of Scripture. My faith means so much to me, and it's nice to know that I can go into my public high school with my Bible, not only in my backpack but in my head. I hope that memorizing scripture will help me share my faith with my friends and make an impact in my school. For those of you who actually care (haha a little Bible memorization humor....haha... oh forgive me I'm young ;-), I currently memerize the New Living Translation. I hope to become good friends with all of you! Kate LovesOwenaol.com =============================================================================== Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 23:16:31 -0500 Subject: "Disciplines" From: "Joel Peter Anderson" The latest Christianity Today has a good article about the practice of fasting that mentions Bible Memory in a positive light: ...Willard is pleased with the recent focus on fasting, but he is concerned that evangelicals may be neglecting the other spiritual disciplines in the process. "It has become a faddish interest," he says, adding that Scripture memorization and meditation may be more beneficial to the church, though not as dramatic as fasting. =============================================================================== Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 23:17:24 -0500 Subject: New Member From: Don Myers Hello everyone. My name is Don Myers. I have played with scripture memorization on my own a bit but struggle with a good methodolgy to really make progress. I have been a chrisitan for many years and have felt this to be a missing element in my growth. I am excited to be a part of this group and hope to share and gain together in this exciting challenge of placing the word deeply in my heart. I thought about the post of desiring to memorize the New Testament. What a great goal. I will do my best on that. But more important I commit as the spirt leads to be contributing daily member. Thanks to the list organizer for pulling this together. A wonderful fresh breath of christian growth. Thanks and looking forward to sharing with everyone. In Christ, Don Myers =============================================================================== Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 23:17:40 -0500 Subject: Passion From: It is funny you should mention on this topic of passion, James, because it is a topic that has been on my mind for quite awhile. When I first become serious about Christianity, two, three years ago, I was so worried about ethics and devotions and prayer and witnessing, I forgot about Jesus! Sometimes I still get caught up in worry about my friend's salvation, and Bible Club, and youth group, etc, etc, I forget about the love of God. What a shame, because the yoke is light and joy is abundant. Mike Yaconelli, a great author, writes a lot about this topic, getting caught up in worry. His latest book, "Dangerous Wonder", is all about Childlike faith, and it talks about forgetting about legalism, crazy rules, and getting to know Jesus. I would reccomend it to anyone looking for passion. Kate LovesOwenaol.com =============================================================================== Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 23:16:35 -0500 Subject: Re: Hello From: Hi all - Glad to be a part of the group; looking forward to getting to know some of you in the future. The Father's blessings to all ----- -- Speck =============================================================================== Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 23:17:11 -0500 Subject: Re: Welcome to the Biblemem list! From: Greeting fellow lovers of the Word, I'd like to introduce myself. I am Tim Peter, a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ since 1987, a lover of God's word, husband to Phyllis, father to David (8 years old), Aaron (5), Rachel (23 mos.). I am the pastor of the Prairie City Church of the Brethren. I have used Timothy LaHaye's method of Bible memory, as presented in his book How To Study the Bible for Yourself. I found this list while surfing, and signed up to get ideas and inspiration from others on the road. Shalom, -Tim Peter =============================================================================== Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 23:17:33 -0500 Subject: Re: Welcome to the Biblemem list! From: "Lee Him, Lawrence" Praise the LORD, Am I glad to find Christian with similar interest. I was about to give up with Bible memory. I did not find any support from fellow Christians around me. Though, we ask the children at Sunday School to remember their verses, but as adults we do not do it. We should be examples for the children, but we leave it behind us. How do I retain the WORDS? The more I remember, the more time I need to keep it in mind. What do you do when you are at work, and being kept busy - help. BTW, I am 45 years old and living in Singapore. God bless Lawrence ---------- > From: biblememistar.ca > To: hlleecyberway.com.sg > Subject: Welcome to the Biblemem list! > Date: Sunday, April 11, 1999 10:30 AM > > hlleecyberway.com.sg has been added to the biblemem mailing list. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Welcome to the Bible Memory Discussion List > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > "How can a young man keep his way pure? By living according to your word. I > seek you with all my heart; do not let me stray from your commands. I have > hidden your word in my heart that I might not sin against you." > Psalm 119:9-11 > > > The Bible memory list is designed to encourage friendly discussion on the > topic of Bible memorization. Please post a message to the list to > introduce yourself. Messages to the list should be sent to: > > biblememistar.ca > > If you read through the scriptures, you will easily see that knowledge of > the word of God is vital to a close relationship with God. Of course, head > knowledge alone is not good enough. It must be understood and applied to > your life. Meditation, prayer and Bible study play a key role in > understanding. Clearly, if you have memorized portions of the word of God, > it makes meditation much more profitable. Also, we who have grown to a > certain level of maturity must teach the things we know to others. For a > brief article on why scripture memorization is important to the growth of > a Christian, you may want to read my article at > http://home.istar.ca/~ssimpson/why.htm. > > But, to actually accomplish all of this is very difficult ... > > Purposes of this list: > > - To collect together a group of people who have a desire to make the > memorization of scripture and meditation on what has been memorized a > significant portion of their lives. > > - I would like to bring together a group of people whose goal is to > commit to memory large portions of Scripture. My ultimate goal, is to > memorize as much of the New testiment as I can, and to take as many people > along with me as I can. > > - These people can share ideas, encourage one another, set goals and be > accountable to one another for progress and be praying for one another. > > - To discuss how we can help others, such as our children, Sunday School > class and Church friends, etc., learn to love memorizing scripture. > > - To discuss various tools, props and aids which are effective in the > memorization and review of scripture. This includes everything from verse > cards to mnemonic devices. If your goal is to memorize many chapters of > scripture, then the organization and presentation of the material is > critical. These tools and methods must be developed. > > - To discuss how time and other activities can be scheduled to allow for > what we want to accomplish, while still maintaining balance in all other > areas of life. > > - To share the blessings of knowing the word of God. > > - Memorization of information is not enough. It must be learned > permanently, it must be understood and applied. Review, study and > meditation is a key component of any scripture memory system. Discussion > of these topics is welcome. > > > LIST INFORMATION > > 1) To post to the entire list, send to biblememistar.ca > > 2) To unsubscribe from the Bible memory discussion list, send a message to > biblememistar.ca with the following line in the body of the message: > > unsubscribe biblememory > > 3) An text archive of past Bible Memory list posts will be available through > the Scripture Memory Connection web site at: > > http://home.istar.ca/~ssimpson > > --------------------- > List Guidelines > --------------------- > > It is asked that you follow these guidelines when posting to the list: > > 1) The list is open to all Christians who believe in salvation by faith > alone through the work of Jesus Christ who is our Lord and our GOD. > > 2) This is not a forum to discuss the merrits of one Bible translation over > another. This is also not a forum to discuss theology unless it is directly > relevent to the theme of memorization of Scripture as defined above. Please > do not stray from this topic. > > 3) It is assumed that the Bible is the inspired, inerrant, word of God and > as such has authority over our lives. > > 4) Do not send requests for personal information to the entire list. These > types of messages should be sent directly to the individual. > > 5) Do not make negative personal comments to or about any individual on the > list. Ideas are fair game for debate, but the individuals who hold these > ideas should be treated with respect. > > 6) At the present time, the list is not moderated. I do not check and > approve each post before it goes out. I would like to keep it this way. > > 7) Please limit the amount of quoted text when you reply to a somebody's > post. Generally a sentence or two is enough. > > --------- > List Owner: Stephen Simpson (ssimpsonistar.ca) > http://home.istar.ca/~ssimpson - The Scripture Memory Connection > > =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:02:38 -0400 Subject: Memorizing with Children From: Stephen Simpson Greetings, We have been trying something for a few weeks now that has been working very well. I got two small photo alblums which hold 36 pictures (3x6inch) and cut out some pieces of paper and wrote a selection of Bible passasges on them. Each week or so I add another verse. I made two of these verse books becuase I have two children. They are 4 and 6 years old. Next I, got two little flashlights and a couple of sticks about 3 feet long. Each night I take one child and my wife takes the other one and we turn off the lights, climb under the covers of their beds, prop up the stick to make a tent and turn on the flashlights to look at our verses. They think it is great fun and are paying attention. Most important, they are focused long enough to actually memorize the verses. Be creative, make it fun ... Stephen Simpson ssimpsonistar.ca =============================================================================== Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 12:18 AM Subject: Re: Biblememory List Digest From: "Vicki at Staff of Life" We've started carrying around little "scripture cards" (actually selections I've printed out on pieces of paper and cut up into pocket-sized pieces). The children and I review them at the beginning of the day and, theoretically at least, during the day when we have odd free moments. I usually look at mine when I change diapers , It's amazing, even for tired "older" minds how much you can absorb. Of course, I am eating the children's dust. It's amazing how fast they can memorize! Blessings to all, Vicki ---Original Message----- From: Lee Him, Lawrence [mailto:hlleecyberway.com.sg] Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 12:18 AM To: biblememistar.ca Subject: Re: Welcome to the Biblemem list! Praise the LORD, Am I glad to find Christian with similar interest. I was about to give up with Bible memory. I did not find any support from fellow Christians around me. Though, we ask the children at Sunday School to remember their verses, but as adults we do not do it. We should be examples for the children, but we leave it behind us. How do I retain the WORDS? The more I remember, the more time I need to keep it in mind. What do you do when you are at work, and being kept busy - help. BTW, I am 45 years old and living in Singapore. God bless Lawrence ----- Original Message ----- From: Bible Memory List To: Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 10:43 PM Subject: Biblememory List Digest ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ DATE: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:42:37 -0500 FROM: Tracie Ogletree SUBJECT: Re: New Member ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ I thank God for leading me to this group! God speed! At 11:17 PM 4/11/99 -0500, you wrote: >Hello everyone. My name is Don Myers. I have played with scripture >memorization on my own a bit but struggle with a good methodolgy to >really make progress. I have been a chrisitan for many years and have >felt this to be a missing element in my growth. I am excited to be a >part of this group and hope to share and gain together in this exciting >challenge of placing the word deeply in my heart. > >I thought about the post of desiring to memorize the New Testament. >What a great goal. I will do my best on that. But more important I >commit as the spirt leads to be contributing daily member. > >Thanks to the list organizer for pulling this together. A wonderful >fresh breath of christian growth. > >Thanks and looking forward to sharing with everyone. > >In Christ, > >Don Myers > > > > > > > > ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ DATE: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:42:48 -0500 FROM: "James Long" SUBJECT: RE: Welcome to the Biblemem list! ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ Lawrence, I am glad to hear you are deciding to hang in with Scripture Memory. I am sure it will be rewarding. I have a couple of thoughts, but no certain fixes for your questions: 1. When at work I have had success with reviewing my latest verse when I take a restroom break. I drink a lot of water in the summer, so my scripture memory improves in the summer. 2. As you memorize verses, try visualizing applications for the verses. These mental hooks are real beneficial. Jerry Lucas is a big proponent of visualizing funny images to remember key words, but I have been trying to visualize application and real life experiences. The application seems more appropriate... as that is what one goal of memory should be. Best wishes, James Long -----Original Message----- From: Lee Him, Lawrence [mailto:hlleecyberway.com.sg] Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 12:18 AM To: biblememistar.ca Subject: Re: Welcome to the Biblemem list! Praise the LORD, Am I glad to find Christian with similar interest. I was about to give up with Bible memory. I did not find any support from fellow Christians around me. Though, we ask the children at Sunday School to remember their verses, but as adults we do not do it. We should be examples for the children, but we leave it behind us. How do I retain the WORDS? The more I remember, the more time I need to keep it in mind. What do you do when you are at work, and being kept busy - help. BTW, I am 45 years old and living in Singapore. God bless Lawrence ---------- > From: biblememistar.ca > To: hlleecyberway.com.sg > Subject: Welcome to the Biblemem list! > Date: Sunday, April 11, 1999 10:30 AM > > hlleecyberway.com.sg has been added to the biblemem mailing list. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Welcome to the Bible Memory Discussion List > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > "How can a young man keep his way pure? By living according to your word. I > seek you with all my heart; do not let me stray from your commands. I have > hidden your word in my heart that I might not sin against you." > Psalm 119:9-11 > > > The Bible memory list is designed to encourage friendly discussion on the > topic of Bible memorization. Please post a message to the list to > introduce yourself. Messages to the list should be sent to: > > biblememistar.ca > > If you read through the scriptures, you will easily see that knowledge of > the word of God is vital to a close relationship with God. Of course, head > knowledge alone is not good enough. It must be understood and applied to > your life. Meditation, prayer and Bible study play a key role in > understanding. Clearly, if you have memorized portions of the word of God, > it makes meditation much more profitable. Also, we who have grown to a > certain level of maturity must teach the things we know to others. For a > brief article on why scripture memorization is important to the growth of > a Christian, you may want to read my article at > http://home.istar.ca/~ssimpson/why.htm. > > But, to actually accomplish all of this is very difficult ... > > Purposes of this list: > > - To collect together a group of people who have a desire to make the > memorization of scripture and meditation on what has been memorized a > significant portion of their lives. > > - I would like to bring together a group of people whose goal is to > commit to memory large portions of Scripture. My ultimate goal, is to > memorize as much of the New testiment as I can, and to take as many people > along with me as I can. > > - These people can share ideas, encourage one another, set goals and be > accountable to one another for progress and be praying for one another. > > - To discuss how we can help others, such as our children, Sunday School > class and Church friends, etc., learn to love memorizing scripture. > > - To discuss various tools, props and aids which are effective in the > memorization and review of scripture. This includes everything from verse > cards to mnemonic devices. If your goal is to memorize many chapters of > scripture, then the organization and presentation of the material is > critical. These tools and methods must be developed. > > - To discuss how time and other activities can be scheduled to allow for > what we want to accomplish, while still maintaining balance in all other > areas of life. > > - To share the blessings of knowing the word of God. > > - Memorization of information is not enough. It must be learned > permanently, it must be understood and applied. Review, study and > meditation is a key component of any scripture memory system. Discussion > of these topics is welcome. > > > LIST INFORMATION > > 1) To post to the entire list, send to biblememistar.ca > > 2) To unsubscribe from the Bible memory discussion list, send a message to > biblememistar.ca with the following line in the body of the message: > > unsubscribe biblememory > > 3) An text archive of past Bible Memory list posts will be available through > the Scripture Memory Connection web site at: > > http://home.istar.ca/~ssimpson > > --------------------- > List Guidelines > --------------------- > > It is asked that you follow these guidelines when posting to the list: > > 1) The list is open to all Christians who believe in salvation by faith > alone through the work of Jesus Christ who is our Lord and our GOD. > > 2) This is not a forum to discuss the merrits of one Bible translation over > another. This is also not a forum to discuss theology unless it is directly > relevent to the theme of memorization of Scripture as defined above. Please > do not stray from this topic. > > 3) It is assumed that the Bible is the inspired, inerrant, word of God and > as such has authority over our lives. > > 4) Do not send requests for personal information to the entire list. These > types of messages should be sent directly to the individual. > > 5) Do not make negative personal comments to or about any individual on the > list. Ideas are fair game for debate, but the individuals who hold these > ideas should be treated with respect. > > 6) At the present time, the list is not moderated. I do not check and > approve each post before it goes out. I would like to keep it this way. > > 7) Please limit the amount of quoted text when you reply to a somebody's > post. Generally a sentence or two is enough. > > --------- > List Owner: Stephen Simpson (ssimpsonistar.ca) > http://home.istar.ca/~ssimpson - The Scripture Memory Connection > > ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ DATE: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:42:52 -0500 FROM: "James Long" SUBJECT: RE: "Disciplines" ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ That's such a true statement Joel. One thing that we need to remember is what Paul told Timothy in 1 Tim 4:8 - Physical training is only of some value while Godliness is of great value. In context this verse seems to be applying to the physical disciplines (fasting could be considered one of these as could memory). It is important that these things we do be spiritual activities not just physical acts of discipline. All things spiritual take place in the context of a relationship with Jesus... not just an act of will on our part. J.L. -----Original Message----- From: Joel Peter Anderson [mailto:joelants.umn.edu] Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 12:17 AM To: biblememistar.ca Subject: "Disciplines" The latest Christianity Today has a good article about the practice of fasting that mentions Bible Memory in a positive light: ...Willard is pleased with the recent focus on fasting, but he is concerned that evangelicals may be neglecting the other spiritual disciplines in the process. "It has become a faddish interest," he says, adding that Scripture memorization and meditation may be more beneficial to the church, though not as dramatic as fasting. ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ DATE: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:43:09 -0500 FROM: "Stephen Simpson" SUBJECT: Memorizing with little Children ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ Greetings, We have been trying something for a few weeks now that has been working very well. I got two small photo alblums which hold 36 pictures (3x6inch) and cut out some pieces of paper and wrote a selection of Bible passasges on them. Each week or so I add another verse. I made two of these verse books becuase I have two children. They are 4 and 6 years old. Next I, got two little flashlights and a couple of sticks about 3 feet long. Each night I take one child and my wife takes the other one and we turn off the lights, climb under the covers of their beds, prop up the stick to make a tent and turn on the flashlights to look at our verses. They think it is great fun and are paying attention. Most important, they are focused long enough to actually memorize the verses. Be creative, make it fun ... Stephen Simpson ssimpsonistar.ca =============================================================================== Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 8:43 PM Subject: Re: Memorizing with little Children From: "sandra fuentes" what a great idea for memorising scripture with the little ones. i bet it is easy for you to memorise too! thank you for the great idea! sandra fuentes =:0) ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Simpson To: Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 8:43 PM Subject: Memorizing with little Children > Greetings, > > We have been trying something for a few weeks now that has been working > very > well. I got two small photo alblums which hold 36 pictures (3x6inch) and > cut out some pieces of paper and wrote a selection of Bible passasges on > them. Each week or so I add another verse. I made two of these verse > books > becuase I have two children. They are 4 and 6 years old. Next I, got two > little flashlights and a couple of sticks about 3 feet long. Each night I > take one child and my wife takes the other one and we turn off the lights, > climb under the covers of their beds, prop up the stick to make a tent and > turn on the flashlights to look at our verses. They think it is great fun > and are paying attention. Most important, they are focused long enough to > actually memorize the verses. > > Be creative, make it fun ... > > Stephen Simpson > ssimpsonistar.ca > > > > > > > > > =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:42:37 -0500 Subject: Re: New Member From: Tracie Ogletree I thank God for leading me to this group! God speed! At 11:17 PM 4/11/99 -0500, you wrote: >Hello everyone. My name is Don Myers. I have played with scripture >memorization on my own a bit but struggle with a good methodolgy to >really make progress. I have been a chrisitan for many years and have >felt this to be a missing element in my growth. I am excited to be a >part of this group and hope to share and gain together in this exciting >challenge of placing the word deeply in my heart. > >I thought about the post of desiring to memorize the New Testament. >What a great goal. I will do my best on that. But more important I >commit as the spirt leads to be contributing daily member. > >Thanks to the list organizer for pulling this together. A wonderful >fresh breath of christian growth. > >Thanks and looking forward to sharing with everyone. > >In Christ, > >Don Myers > > > > > > > > =============================================================================== Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 12:18 AM Subject: RE: Welcome to the Biblemem list! From: "James Long" Lawrence, I am glad to hear you are deciding to hang in with Scripture Memory. I am sure it will be rewarding. I have a couple of thoughts, but no certain fixes for your questions: 1. When at work I have had success with reviewing my latest verse when I take a restroom break. I drink a lot of water in the summer, so my scripture memory improves in the summer. 2. As you memorize verses, try visualizing applications for the verses. These mental hooks are real beneficial. Jerry Lucas is a big proponent of visualizing funny images to remember key words, but I have been trying to visualize application and real life experiences. The application seems more appropriate... as that is what one goal of memory should be. Best wishes, James Long -----Original Message----- From: Lee Him, Lawrence [mailto:hlleecyberway.com.sg] Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 12:18 AM To: biblememistar.ca Subject: Re: Welcome to the Biblemem list! Praise the LORD, Am I glad to find Christian with similar interest. I was about to give up with Bible memory. I did not find any support from fellow Christians around me. Though, we ask the children at Sunday School to remember their verses, but as adults we do not do it. We should be examples for the children, but we leave it behind us. How do I retain the WORDS? The more I remember, the more time I need to keep it in mind. What do you do when you are at work, and being kept busy - help. BTW, I am 45 years old and living in Singapore. God bless Lawrence ---------- > From: biblememistar.ca > To: hlleecyberway.com.sg > Subject: Welcome to the Biblemem list! > Date: Sunday, April 11, 1999 10:30 AM > > hlleecyberway.com.sg has been added to the biblemem mailing list. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Welcome to the Bible Memory Discussion List > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > "How can a young man keep his way pure? By living according to your word. I > seek you with all my heart; do not let me stray from your commands. I have > hidden your word in my heart that I might not sin against you." > Psalm 119:9-11 > > > The Bible memory list is designed to encourage friendly discussion on the > topic of Bible memorization. Please post a message to the list to > introduce yourself. Messages to the list should be sent to: > > biblememistar.ca > > If you read through the scriptures, you will easily see that knowledge of > the word of God is vital to a close relationship with God. Of course, head > knowledge alone is not good enough. It must be understood and applied to > your life. Meditation, prayer and Bible study play a key role in > understanding. Clearly, if you have memorized portions of the word of God, > it makes meditation much more profitable. Also, we who have grown to a > certain level of maturity must teach the things we know to others. For a > brief article on why scripture memorization is important to the growth of > a Christian, you may want to read my article at > http://home.istar.ca/~ssimpson/why.htm. > > But, to actually accomplish all of this is very difficult ... > > Purposes of this list: > > - To collect together a group of people who have a desire to make the > memorization of scripture and meditation on what has been memorized a > significant portion of their lives. > > - I would like to bring together a group of people whose goal is to > commit to memory large portions of Scripture. My ultimate goal, is to > memorize as much of the New testiment as I can, and to take as many people > along with me as I can. > > - These people can share ideas, encourage one another, set goals and be > accountable to one another for progress and be praying for one another. > > - To discuss how we can help others, such as our children, Sunday School > class and Church friends, etc., learn to love memorizing scripture. > > - To discuss various tools, props and aids which are effective in the > memorization and review of scripture. This includes everything from verse > cards to mnemonic devices. If your goal is to memorize many chapters of > scripture, then the organization and presentation of the material is > critical. These tools and methods must be developed. > > - To discuss how time and other activities can be scheduled to allow for > what we want to accomplish, while still maintaining balance in all other > areas of life. > > - To share the blessings of knowing the word of God. > > - Memorization of information is not enough. It must be learned > permanently, it must be understood and applied. Review, study and > meditation is a key component of any scripture memory system. Discussion > of these topics is welcome. > > > LIST INFORMATION > > 1) To post to the entire list, send to biblememistar.ca > > 2) To unsubscribe from the Bible memory discussion list, send a message to > biblememistar.ca with the following line in the body of the message: > > unsubscribe biblememory > > 3) An text archive of past Bible Memory list posts will be available through > the Scripture Memory Connection web site at: > > http://home.istar.ca/~ssimpson > > --------------------- > List Guidelines > --------------------- > > It is asked that you follow these guidelines when posting to the list: > > 1) The list is open to all Christians who believe in salvation by faith > alone through the work of Jesus Christ who is our Lord and our GOD. > > 2) This is not a forum to discuss the merrits of one Bible translation over > another. This is also not a forum to discuss theology unless it is directly > relevent to the theme of memorization of Scripture as defined above. Please > do not stray from this topic. > > 3) It is assumed that the Bible is the inspired, inerrant, word of God and > as such has authority over our lives. > > 4) Do not send requests for personal information to the entire list. These > types of messages should be sent directly to the individual. > > 5) Do not make negative personal comments to or about any individual on the > list. Ideas are fair game for debate, but the individuals who hold these > ideas should be treated with respect. > > 6) At the present time, the list is not moderated. I do not check and > approve each post before it goes out. I would like to keep it this way. > > 7) Please limit the amount of quoted text when you reply to a somebody's > post. Generally a sentence or two is enough. > > --------- > List Owner: Stephen Simpson (ssimpsonistar.ca) > http://home.istar.ca/~ssimpson - The Scripture Memory Connection > > =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:04:13 -0500 Subject: Re: Memorizing with little Children From: Stephen, What a great idea of making Bible Memory fun for kids. We'll have to try that. What verses have you selected for your children? -Tim =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:04:01 -0500 Subject: Re: Memorizing with little Children From: That is an excellent idea and I may try that with my children. Not only do they learn but so do we and it is a great children activity. God Bless you. Cheryl =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:04:19 -0500 Subject: Re: Newbie Introduction From: James: Yes, I am a retired R.N. - retired as of September 1998. Hardly used to that yet, but have been so busy I don't really know I'm retired! I am loving being more involved in my church than I had been able to while I was a Nurse Manager on a busy Oncology Unit with 24-hr. responsibility. I miss my patients, but not the turmoil of the "new" health care environment with the budget seeming to be the most important thing. In reply to your insightful note - I have truly been involved in learning more about the passionate state of the soul. Years ago I took as my life motto Philippians 3:10 - "That I may know Him, - " and have spent most of the time inbetween trying to do that. I am just now discovering that maybe I was "trying" too much, and it's just as you said - just loving Him is how it's accomplished. In my Bible reading this week I meditated on two facts: Christ is the mirror reflecting His Father, and I am to be a mirror reflecting Christ. That is amazing to me - that I CAN reflect Him! The second fact is that to be more like Him I need "to put Him on" - like clothing. That may not be so much a new thought to you, but all of a sudden those two thoughts came together for me in a new way - as I struggled with the fact that as much as I want to know Him - God is unknowable - but yet He lets us know so much of Him. I started making a list of all the things that I know about Him, and thought about the circumstances in my life which lead me to the knowing and I was just overwhelmed that God can and does allow us to KNOW HIM! To me this has been the "beginning of the pursuit of passion", and I just have to pray, "Lord, clothe me with Yourself!" It seems that all my Bible Study these days leads me in that direction, and I am just so thankful that this little bit of insight has come my way. Isn't God just so very, very gracious, sweet, and loving, and providing? To relate this to Scripture memory - I seem to be so much more desirous to memorize now, and it seems to come so much more easy. God bless you in your very responsible work. =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:04:04 -0500 Subject: Re: New Member From: One way that I have been considering memorizing is to group together scripture that has the same meaning. I have a book that I use to read every day and the scripture all ties in together. You can search the bible for the verses and then write them in a journal to carry with you to doctor's visits, etc. If anyone has any more suggestions let me know. Thanks, In Him Cheryl Moreau analeaceaol.com =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:06:33 -0500 Subject: Anyone memorized Revelation? From: "Bob and Judy Mahlstedt" I'm going to memorize the book of Revelation and use the "room/furniture" technique. Can anyone offer suggestions/help? Thanks, Bob =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:06:14 -0500 Subject: Hello and verses to memorize From: "Tricia L. Geib" I've been trying to get into the habit of memorizing, but I find I'm stymied by what to memorize next! I'd like to have a base knowledge of those verses which help in evangelization as well as those which lift you up when you're experiencing various problems or doubts in life. Does anyone know of a good resource for a list like this? Thanks for any ideas you may have! God Bless, Trish =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:06:30 -0500 Subject: Navigator's Memory Aid From: "Rebecca Steadman" A while back someone suggested using the Navigator's topical Bible memory system. I didn't get it ordered and in the meantime, our Christian bookstore closed. The nearest one is 320 miles away (I live in Alaska). Does anyone have an on-line source to obtain this? Thanks. Rebecca =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 23:20:13 -0500 Subject: Re: Hello and verses to memorize From: Drake Mariani You may find http://www.memlok.com/verses.html helpful It has 550 key verses listed in Biblical order from Gen-Rev and prints on one page for study l These verses come from the 48 topics in Memlok or PC Memlok. You can also download a free copy of PC MemLok and it will show you all the verses. You c It has one verse from every OT Book, book of Proverbs, lots of Psalms, and at least one (many have 5-10) from every chapter of the NT. Hope this helps, Drake At 4/19/1999, you wrote: >I've been trying to get into the habit of memorizing, but I find I'm >stymied >by what to memorize next! I'd like to have a base knowledge of those >verses >which help in evangelization as well as those which lift you up when you're >experiencing various problems or doubts in life. Does anyone know of a >good >resource for a list like this? > >Thanks for any ideas you may have! > >God Bless, >Trish > > > > > > > > > > Drake Mariani 800-373-1947 Memlok.com-Bible Memory mailto:memlokpacbell.net Free Brochure http://www.memlok.com Laugh! Archives http://www.memlok.com/laugh.html Y2K Reference Guide http://www.memlok.com/y2k.html Free PC MemLok Demo http://www.memlok.com 36 Free Bible Memory Tips http://www.memlok.com/tips.html Dozens of quality Free Offers http://www.memlok.com/freestuf.html 20-40% off 3 Million books http://www.memlok.com/bookstore.html =============================================================================== Sent: Monday, April 19, 1999 10:06 AM Subject: RE: Hello and verses to memorize From: "James Long" Tricia, I highly recommend the Topical Memory System mentioned in another post I just made. For others not familiar with this tool I will give a brief description (this is based on the old TMS, the TMS currently sold by the Navigators is slightly different, but still quite good): The TMS is arranged with six main headings. The main topics are as follows: The Wheel, the Gospel, Promised Blessings, the Challenge, Resources, and Expected Fruit. Each main topic has six sub topics, and each sub topic has three verses. This makes the whole system 6x6x3=108 verses. It sounds like a lot, but the topical structure makes it reviewable, systematic, and able to be passed on to others. Since life is topical, it is a great resource, since one memorizes the topics with the verses. After memorizing the entire system a person can instantly quote three verses on most any topic. I have the old TMS in MS Word format (and possibly Adobe Acrobat if needed). If anyone is interested just e-mail me direct and let me know. -----Original Message----- From: Tricia L. Geib [mailto:trishgtelerama.com] Sent: Monday, April 19, 1999 10:06 AM To: biblememistar.ca Subject: Hello and verses to memorize I've been trying to get into the habit of memorizing, but I find I'm stymied by what to memorize next! I'd like to have a base knowledge of those verses which help in evangelization as well as those which lift you up when you're experiencing various problems or doubts in life. Does anyone know of a good resource for a list like this? Thanks for any ideas you may have! God Bless, Trish =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 23:20:30 -0500 Subject: Re: Hello and verses to memorize From: "Lloyd Douglas" Hi Trish: My name is Lloyd and I live in Nanaimo, B.C., Canada. There are a couple of formats that I have learned to help me communicate the gospel. One is Evangelism Explosion and the other is from the Navigators. In their 2:7 Course 3 the bridge illustration is used and the following verses are used: All have sinned -Romans 3:23; Isaiah 53:6 The penalty for sin -Romans 6:23; Hebrews 9:27 Christ paid the penalty -Romans 5:8; I Peter 3:18 Salvation not by good works -Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5 Must receive Christ -John 1:12 (I add verse 13 as well); Rev. 3:20 Assurance of salvation -I John 5:13; John 5:24 (great verse). These verses go along with drawing the bridge illustration as you share so the listener has a graphic with specific Scripture verses. The Evangelism Explosion format utilizes lead in questions and Scripture verses with some excellent illustrations. Let me know if this helps. in Christ, Lloyd Douglas, 2 Chronicles 20:12 -----Original Message----- From: Tricia L. Geib To: biblememistar.ca Date: Monday, April 19, 1999 6:22 AM Subject: Hello and verses to memorize >I've been trying to get into the habit of memorizing, but I find I'm >stymied >by what to memorize next! I'd like to have a base knowledge of those >verses >which help in evangelization as well as those which lift you up when you're >experiencing various problems or doubts in life. Does anyone know of a >good >resource for a list like this? > >Thanks for any ideas you may have! > >God Bless, >Trish > > > > > > > > > > > =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 23:20:03 -0500 Subject: re: Hello and verses to memorize From: "S Kafoe" Dear Irish, i don't have a sort of list, but here is my own (translated from Dutch): Christ as centre: Joh. 15:5 , Col.2:6 Obey God: Joh. 14:21, Rom.12:1 Gods word: Matth. 4:4 , 2 Tim.3:16 Prayer: Matth. 21:22, Ps. 5:4 Community: Matth. 18:20, Hebr. 10:24 Witness: Acts 1:8, Rom.1:16 Holy Spirit in you: Joh. 14:26, 1 Cor.3:16 God takes care: Joh. 15:7, Rom.8:32 God loves you: Joh. 15:9-10, 1 Joh.4:10 God leads: Joh. 16:13, Ps.32:8 God gives peace: Joh.16:33, Fil.4:6-7 God protects: Joh.17:15, Isiah 41:10 God wants to be with us: Joh. 3:16, 1 Cor.1:9 Sin brings separation: Joh. 3:19, Rom.3:23 Christ died for that: Marc.10:45, Rom. 5:8 The only way to God: Joh.14:6, Acts 4:12 Christ in your life: Rev.3:20, Acts 10:9,10 Live with God forever: Joh. 17:3, 1 Joh.5:13 Follow Jesus daily: Luk.9:23, 1 Pet.2:21 Christ in the first place: Luk.14:33, 2 Cor.5:15b Change by Gods Word: Joh. 8:31-32, Col.3:16 Love one another: Joh. 13:34-35, 1 Joh.3:16 Be fruitful: Joh.15:8, Gal.5:22 Vision for the world: Matth. 28:19-20, 2 Cor.5:20 Hope this might help you. God bless you, Steven =============================================================================== Sent: Monday, April 19, 1999 6:06 AM Subject: RE: Hello and verses to memorize From: "Rebecca Steadman" Hi Trish, Please let me know what you turn up. This sounds exactly like what I want to do. If I come up with something first, I'll let you know. Rebecca -----Original Message----- From: Tricia L. Geib [mailto:trishgtelerama.com] Sent: Monday, April 19, 1999 6:06 AM To: biblememistar.ca Subject: Hello and verses to memorize I've been trying to get into the habit of memorizing, but I find I'm stymied by what to memorize next! I'd like to have a base knowledge of those verses which help in evangelization as well as those which lift you up when you're experiencing various problems or doubts in life. Does anyone know of a good resource for a list like this? Thanks for any ideas you may have! God Bless, Trish =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 23:19:36 -0500 Subject: Re: Hello and verses to memorize From: tobias hi! I am issah from the Philippines. May I suggest you get hold of a topical Bible or get a concordance where you can look for words and other related words and their corresponding verses are given. god bless! Hope He strengthens your perseverence in this holy task! At 10:06 PM 4/19/99 , you wrote: >I've been trying to get into the habit of memorizing, but I find I'm >stymied >by what to memorize next! I'd like to have a base knowledge of those >verses >which help in evangelization as well as those which lift you up when you're >experiencing various problems or doubts in life. Does anyone know of a >good >resource for a list like this? > >Thanks for any ideas you may have! > >God Bless, >Trish > =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:06:21 -0500 Subject: Re: Memorizing with little Children From: Tracie Ogletree I think that is a great idea. God Bless! Sista' Tracie O. At 09:43 PM 4/12/99 -0500, you wrote: >Greetings, > >We have been trying something for a few weeks now that has been working >very >well. I got two small photo alblums which hold 36 pictures (3x6inch) and >cut out some pieces of paper and wrote a selection of Bible passasges on >them. Each week or so I add another verse. I made two of these verse >books >becuase I have two children. They are 4 and 6 years old. Next I, got two >little flashlights and a couple of sticks about 3 feet long. Each night I >take one child and my wife takes the other one and we turn off the lights, >climb under the covers of their beds, prop up the stick to make a tent and >turn on the flashlights to look at our verses. They think it is great fun >and are paying attention. Most important, they are focused long enough to >actually memorize the verses. > >Be creative, make it fun ... > >Stephen Simpson >ssimpsonistar.ca > > > > > > > > > =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 23:20:32 -0500 Subject: Re: Navigator's Memory Aid From: "Lloyd Douglas" Hi Rebecca: My name is Lloyd from Nanaimo, B.C., Canada. The Navigators office email in Canada is: navigatorsofcanadaldn.mediaglobe.com . I have ordered material from them. I am presently working my way through the 6 courses of the 2:7 program and I am presently completing course 4 memory work. After completing all 6 courses you would have learned 65 verses altogether around key assurances and major topical areas, i.e. Living the New Life, Sharing Christ and Rely on God's Resources. I am finding this very profitable. in Christ, Lloyd, 2 Chronicles 20:12 -----Original Message----- From: Rebecca Steadman To: biblememistar.ca Date: Monday, April 19, 1999 6:22 AM Subject: Navigator's Memory Aid >A while back someone suggested using the Navigator's topical Bible memory >system. I didn't get it ordered and in the meantime, our Christian >bookstore closed. The nearest one is 320 miles away (I live in Alaska). >Does anyone have an on-line source to obtain this? > >Thanks. >Rebecca > > > > > > =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 23:20:10 -0500 Subject: Re: Navigator's Memory Aid From: "Ashley Ford" Rebecca: How's life in Alaska? I've never known anyone who lives there... Yes, there is an online answer to your question. If you'll go to www.christianbook.com, and type in the keywords "Navigators" "Topical" and "Memory" in the search box (middle of the page), it will bring up the memory system (I think it's about $9.00). Happy hunting! Ashley Ford Dallas, TX -----Original Message----- From: Rebecca Steadman To: biblememistar.ca Date: Monday, April 19, 1999 8:10 AM Subject: Navigator's Memory Aid >A while back someone suggested using the Navigator's topical Bible memory >system. I didn't get it ordered and in the meantime, our Christian >bookstore closed. The nearest one is 320 miles away (I live in Alaska). >Does anyone have an on-line source to obtain this? > >Thanks. >Rebecca > > > > > > =============================================================================== Sent: Monday, April 19, 1999 10:07 AM Subject: RE: Navigator's Memory Aid From: "James Long" Rebecca, I have a version of the Nav TMS that was used by the Navs through the late 70's. At some point they shortened the TMS from 108 verses to something like 80 (not sure on the number in the new one). I have the old TMS in MS Word format and I can probably port it to Adobe Acrobat if that would serve better. I just print it out on card stock and then cut it up with a paper cutter. I also laminate my verse cards after I cut then to seal them from moisture. Lamination is almost a necessity if you have an inkjet printer since they smear so bad. E-mail me direct if you want a copy of the Word or Adobe format "old" TMS. James -----Original Message----- From: Rebecca Steadman [mailto:steadmanalaska.net] Sent: Monday, April 19, 1999 10:07 AM To: biblememistar.ca Subject: Navigator's Memory Aid A while back someone suggested using the Navigator's topical Bible memory system. I didn't get it ordered and in the meantime, our Christian bookstore closed. The nearest one is 320 miles away (I live in Alaska). Does anyone have an on-line source to obtain this? Thanks. Rebecca =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 23:20:16 -0500 Subject: Re: Navigator's Memory Aid From: Drake Mariani Not sure where, but you may want to consider this as well: The Memlok Starter Kit. $9.95 (small groups of 3 or more buy it for $8 plus 10%s/h.) I'll email the info if anyone doesn't have net access. http://www.memlok.com/starter.html 49 of the TMS's 65 verses are in the full system (48 topics of 12 each). Drake At 4/19/1999, you wrote: >A while back someone suggested using the Navigator's topical Bible memory >system. I didn't get it ordered and in the meantime, our Christian >bookstore closed. The nearest one is 320 miles away (I live in Alaska). >Does anyone have an on-line source to obtain this? > >Thanks. >Rebecca > > > > > Drake Mariani 800-373-1947 Memlok.com-Bible Memory mailto:memlokpacbell.net Free Brochure http://www.memlok.com Laugh! Archives http://www.memlok.com/laugh.html Y2K Reference Guide http://www.memlok.com/y2k.html Free PC MemLok Demo http://www.memlok.com 36 Free Bible Memory Tips http://www.memlok.com/tips.html Dozens of quality Free Offers http://www.memlok.com/freestuf.html 20-40% off 3 Million books http://www.memlok.com/bookstore.html =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 23:20:06 -0500 Subject: Re: Navigator's Memory Aid From: Rebecca, I did a little searching and leave it to those Aggies, they have a resource for the Topical memory System at: http://navs.tamu.edu/ Check it out. I have done the TMS and endorse it as gives you 30 good topics with 2 verses each. Good Stuff. phil "Rebecca Steadman" on 04-19-99 09:06:30 AM Please respond to biblememistar.ca To: biblememistar.ca cc: (bcc: Phil Richards/Dallas/IBM) Subject: Navigator's Memory Aid A while back someone suggested using the Navigator's topical Bible memory system. I didn't get it ordered and in the meantime, our Christian bookstore closed. The nearest one is 320 miles away (I live in Alaska). Does anyone have an on-line source to obtain this? Thanks. Rebecca =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:06:27 -0500 Subject: Re: New Member From: Don Myers This post sent off a bell in my head. I have this little devotional book called Daily Light written by Bagster & Lotz. I think Lotz actually republished it. But there is a morning and evening page. It starts with a topical verse such as Titus 2:10. Then it will have many verses that give further meaning to that verse. I find it useful in memorizing a verse as I have more understanding of what the lord has intended for me to understand. Don Myers Analeaceaol.com wrote: > One way that I have been considering memorizing is to group together > scripture that has the same meaning. I have a book that I use to read > every day and the scripture all ties in together. > You can search the bible for the verses and then write them in a journal to > carry with you to doctor's visits, etc. > > If anyone has any more suggestions let me know. > > Thanks, In Him > Cheryl Moreau analeaceaol.com -------------------------- Analeaceaol.com wrote: > One way that I have been considering memorizing is to group together > scripture that has the same meaning. I have a book that I use to read > every day and the scripture all ties in together. > You can search the bible for the verses and then write them in a journal to > carry with you to doctor's visits, etc. > > If anyone has any more suggestions let me know. > > Thanks, In Him > Cheryl Moreau analeaceaol.com =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:06:43 -0500 Subject: RE: Welcome to the Biblemem list! From: "Faith Howarth" My name is Faith. I live in Easton PA. I've been a Christian for 20 years and still struggle with memorizing. I'd like to help and be helped in this very important way! =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:52:16 -0500 Subject: Memorising passages From: "One of the McKays" I am still having a go at memorising passages. But it gets tough when it gets busy at school. [I am a high school music teacher] I began with 2 John [guess why?] then Philemon, but have spent this year in 1 Peter. It is such a blessing to spend time in one Bible book. And 1 Peter is fantastic. I find it hard to see how people can argue against some biblical teachings [such as the special roles of men and women, clearly taught in Scripture] if they were to learn the passages as part of God's Word! And while I have been in 1 Peter 3, I keep thinking how much of what Peter says to men or women actually applies to both! For instance, he tells women to win their non-Christian husbands through purity and reverence, rather than with words. Then later he tells men and women to win people with gentleness and respect [and also being able to explain the reason for our hope when asked]. I find it inspiring to read all the posts of members efforts to meditate on God's Word David McKay musicfl.net.au =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:52:41 -0500 Subject: Re: Anyone memorized Revelation? From: Hey Bob, In a few days, I am going to pick a book in the New Testament to memorize, probably 1John. Do you think that a good first step would be to memorize the outline of the book first? I had a book that gave outlines to every book in the Bible using acronyms, I need to find it. I figure that once the outline is memorized then you have the basic flow of the book down. Then maybe start learning "key" scriptures located in the different parts of your outline. Would this be better than just starting from the beginning? Also, maybe it would be good while memorizing the outline to memorize key facts such as the ate written, author, to whom written etc. If your study Bible does not have a good outline in the beginning of Revelation a good book to get is , "The Bible Book By Book, by G. Coleman Luck." *************************************************************************** *** ******************* http://www.bible-infonet.org/bin/outline/bible/outline_index.htm Note: This is a small portion of one of the outlines at the above site. I think that it may be a little too detailed for our purposes. Maybe you could edit it down a bit. ( A lot.) I. Introduction (1:1-20). A. Writer and communicators of this book (1:1-9). 1. The writer of the book is John the apostle (1:1,4,9). 2. It is the revelation of Jesus Christ (1:1,5,9). a. Given to Jesus by Jehovah (1:1). b. For the benefit of the servants of Jesus (1:1). 3. The message was expressed in signs by an angel (1:1). 4. Qualifications of the writer of the book (1:2). a. Bore witness of the word of God (1:2,9; 1 John 1:1-2) b. Witnessed the testimony of Jesus (1:2,9). B. Blessing on readers and hearers of this book (1:3). C. Book written to the seven churches in Asia (1:4-6). 1. Grace and peace to the seven churches (1:4). 2. The grace and peace comes from Jehovah, and the seven fold Spirit, and from Jesus (1:4-5). D. Benefits coming to us from the Lord (1:5-6). 1. Jesus is the faithful witness, firstborn of the dead, ruler of the kings of earth (1:5). 2. Jesus removes our sins by his blood, and makes us a kingdom of priests (1:5-6). 3. Jesus comes with the clouds (a heavenly host) (1:7). 4. The coming will be public (1:7). 5. He is first and last and Almighty (1:8). E. Revelation made to John on Patmos (1:9-16). 1. John was in the spirit on the Lord's day (1:10-11). a. Heard a voice like a trumpet (1:10). b. The voice told him to write what he was about to see and give it to the seven churches (1:11). 2. John saw Jesus walking in the midst of seven golden candlesticks (1:12-13). a. John describes a spectacular vision of Jesus in his glory (1:13-16) b. Jesus holds in his hand seven stars (1:16). F. John's reaction was to fall like a dead man at the feet of Jesus (1:17-20). 1. John is comforted and told to write what he is about to see (1:17-20). a. Jesus is the first and the last (1:17). b. He is the living one, though once dead he is alive for ever more (1:18). c. Jesus has the keys of death and Hades (1:18). d. John is told to write this revelation and prophecy (1:19). 2. Mystery of the seven stars and candlesticks (1:20). a. The stars represent angels (messengers) (1:20). b. The candlesticks represent churches (1:20). II. Letters to the seven churches of Asia (2:1 to 3:22). A. To the church at Ephesus (2:1-7). 1. Addressed to the angel of the church (2:1). a. Angel means messenger, or to deliver a message. b. It is most often used of an order of created beings, superior to man and belonging to heaven (Heb. 2:7; Psa. 8:5; Matt. 24:36; Mark 12:25). c. The devil has angels (Matt. 25:41). d. Any messenger of God is an angel. The priest who taught the law is called a messenger (Hebrew: angel) of Jehovah (Mal. 2:7). e. The evangelist of the various churches is called an angel-- messenger of Jehovah--because he taught the people by reading to them the word of God and explaining its meaning (2:1). 2. The message is from Jesus (1:5; 2:1). 3. The Ephesian church praised (2:2). a. They worked (2:2). b. They rejected evil men--false teachers (2:2). c. They tried men who called themselves apostles and found them false (2:2). The Ephesians were too well informed to be carried away with false apostles. Many in our day can not detect a false apostle because they do not know what the true apostles taught. d. They were not weary in well doing (2:3). 4. Complaint against the Ephesian church (2:4). a. Left their first love (2:4). b. Repent and do your first works (2:5). c. Life needs changing toward God only to the degree it has changed from God. d. The Ephesians were guilty of growing cold in the basic doctrines of the church. Having heard it often, they were tired of hearing it. They were to revive the old time zeal. 5. Terrible threat against Ephesus (2:5). a. The demand to repent (2:5). b. The warning of removing the candlestick (2:5)--the candlestick represents the church (1:20). c. A faithful church can be rejected because of indifference to truth and be removed (2:5). 6. Continues praise (2:6). a. They hated the works of the Nicolaitans (2:6). b. Jesus hates the works of the heretics and so should we (2:6). c. Jesus approves the first stand of the church at Ephesus against false teachers (2:6). 7. The victorious servant would be given to eat of the tree of life in the paradise of God (2:7; Gen. 3:22; Rev. 22:2,14). B. To the church at Smyrna (2:8-11). 1. The authority of Jesus (2:8, Rom. 1:4). 2. Jesus knew about their suffering (2:9). 3. Though they had tribulation and poverty, they were rich in spiritual possessions (2:9). 4. The synagogue of Satan in Smyrna (2:9). a. Jews who would not accept Jesus were not really Jews. b. They did not walk after the example of Abraham (John 8:39-40). 5. Physical suffering is not to be feared (2:10). a. They were to have tribulation 10 days (a full but brief period) (2:10). b. Satan was about to throw them in prison--the devil is the source of all our misery (2:10). 6. Jesus promised to them a crown of life (2:10). 7. To overcome is to remain faithful and therefore not be hurt of the second death (2:11). C. To the church in Pergamum (2:12-17). 1. Jesus wielded a sharp sword with two edges (2:12). He is capable of punishing the wicked. 2. Pergamum was the dwelling place of Satan (2:13). a. A hotbed of sin and persecution. Antipas, a faithful servant, had been killed by forces of evil (2:13). b. It is possible to be pure in a wicked environment (2:13). c. The battle is the Lord's and the victory will be ours. 3. Some in the church in Pergamum tolerated the teaching of Balaam and followed his example, and the rest did not condemn them (2:14). a. Balaam taught Balak to put a stumbling block in the way of the children of Israel (2:14). b. In Numbers 21, 22, 23 we are told of his crime. He wanted money. When he could get it for placing a curse on God's chosen people, he instructed Balak to entice Israel with lewd carousing. They sat down to eat and drink and rose up to play. They committed idolatry and fornication and fell in one day three and twenty thousand (2:14). 4. The teaching of the Nicolaitans was like that of Balaam (2:15). 5. Repent or be destroyed (2:16). 6. Jesus promises those who overcome the hidden manna a white stone and a new name (2:17). Yours In Christ, Mark =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:52:13 -0500 Subject: Re: Hello and verses to memorize From: Hi Trish - This may not be exactly what you're looking for, but I memorized John chapter 15 last summer. It gives a good all-around foundation for your Christian walk - evangelism, fellowship, discipleship, separation, etc. This chapter pretty much has it all, and it's not that difficult to memorize. -- Speck =============================================================================== Sent: Monday, April 26, 1999 6:52 PM Subject: RE: Hello and verses to memorize From: "James Long" John 15 is a great one to memorize. A friend of mine recently memorized John 17 with the ministry team he leads. John 15-17 is so very personal and really gets at what is on Jesus' heart. These chapters should really be memory fodder for us all. James Long -----Original Message----- From: SpeckChaol.com [mailto:SpeckChaol.com] Sent: Monday, April 26, 1999 6:52 PM To: biblememistar.ca Subject: Re: Hello and verses to memorize Hi Trish - This may not be exactly what you're looking for, but I memorized John chapter 15 last summer. It gives a good all-around foundation for your Christian walk - evangelism, fellowship, discipleship, separation, etc. This chapter pretty much has it all, and it's not that difficult to memorize. -- Speck =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:52:06 -0500 Subject: Re: Hello and verses to memorize From: Drake Mariani At 4/19/1999, you wrote: I agree with Lloyd. I have led over 20 Colossians 2:7 courses with pastors and their elders since 1982. It (the 2:7) really gets people involved in a (Growing Strong ...) is an 8.5x11 booklet, takes 13 weeks and is available in any Christian Bookstore. To go further (books 2-6), you need a trained l By the way, all the verses in the Bridge listed below, again are in Memlok or PC Memlok. You see. I became restless when folks couldn't remember their Thus, the picture idea as in the gift the Lord gave me back in 1989. Also, after a while, most had a real review problem. There needed to be a solutio Hope this is encouraging to someone. Drake >Hi Trish: > >My name is Lloyd and I live in Nanaimo, B.C., Canada. There are a couple >of >formats that I have learned to help me communicate the gospel. One is >Evangelism Explosion and the other is from the Navigators. In their 2:7 >Course 3 the bridge illustration is used and the following verses are used: > >All have sinned -Romans 3:23; Isaiah 53:6 >The penalty for sin -Romans 6:23; Hebrews 9:27 >Christ paid the penalty -Romans 5:8; I Peter 3:18 >Salvation not by good works -Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5 >Must receive Christ -John 1:12 (I add verse 13 as well); Rev. 3:20 >Assurance of salvation -I John 5:13; John 5:24 (great verse). > >These verses go along with drawing the bridge illustration as you share so >the listener has a graphic with specific Scripture verses. The Evangelism >Explosion format utilizes lead in questions and Scripture verses with some >excellent illustrations. > >Let me know if this helps. > >in Christ, >Lloyd Douglas, >2 Chronicles 20:12 >-----Original Message----- >From: Tricia L. Geib >To: biblememistar.ca >Date: Monday, April 19, 1999 6:22 AM >Subject: Hello and verses to memorize > > >>I've been trying to get into the habit of memorizing, but I find I'm >>stymied >>by what to memorize next! I'd like to have a base knowledge of those >>verses >>which help in evangelization as well as those which lift you up when >you're >>experiencing various problems or doubts in life. Does anyone know of a >>good >>resource for a list like this? >> >>Thanks for any ideas you may have! >> >>God Bless, >>Trish >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > Drake Mariani 800-373-1947 Memlok.com-Bible Memory mailto:memlokpacbell.net Free Brochure http://www.memlok.com Laugh! Archives http://www.memlok.com/laugh.html Y2K Reference Guide http://www.memlok.com/y2k.html Free PC MemLok Demo http://www.memlok.com 36 Free Bible Memory Tips http://www.memlok.com/tips.html Dozens of quality Free Offers http://www.memlok.com/freestuf.html 20-40% off 3 Million books http://www.memlok.com/bookstore.html =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:51:54 -0500 Subject: Re: Hello and verses to memorize From: I have used the Navigator's list, but I have also used topics which I find using the Concordance. You can trace "key words" and also words which have the same meaning. This method has been very helpful to me. God bless! =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 18:07:53 -0400 Subject: Re Memorizing Revelations From: "Stephen Simpson" Greetings This is a wonderful goal. One of the reasons I set up this bible memory list was to figure out good ways to memorize text so that it becomes permanent and requires a mimimum amount of effort to maintain. Please share with the group the details of how you hope to apply the room/furnature technique!! Thanks Stephen Simpson ssimpsonistar.ca Subject: Anyone memorized Revelation? >I'm going to memorize the book of Revelation and use the "room/furniture" >technique. Can anyone offer suggestions/help? > >Thanks, Bob > > > > > > > > > > =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:52:23 -0500 Subject: RE: Navigator's Memory Aid From: "James Long" The 2:7 series is a great study series. I use the "Design for Discipleship" series with college students, and the 2:7 is sort of a community and church version of the DFD. Glad to hear you are memorizing the verses, Lloyd. James > -----Original Message----- > From: Lloyd Douglas [mailto:wdouglasnanaimo.ark.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 12:21 AM > To: biblememistar.ca > Subject: Re: Navigator's Memory Aid > > > Hi Rebecca: > > My name is Lloyd from Nanaimo, B.C., Canada. The Navigators office email > in > Canada is: navigatorsofcanadaldn.mediaglobe.com . I have > ordered material > from them. I am presently working my way through the 6 courses of the 2:7 > program and I am presently completing course 4 memory work. After > completing all 6 courses you would have learned 65 verses > altogether around > key assurances and major topical areas, i.e. Living the New Life, Sharing > Christ and Rely on God's Resources. > I am finding this very profitable. > > in Christ, > Lloyd, > 2 Chronicles 20:12 > -----Original Message----- > From: Rebecca Steadman > To: biblememistar.ca > Date: Monday, April 19, 1999 6:22 AM > Subject: Navigator's Memory Aid > > > >A while back someone suggested using the Navigator's topical Bible memory > >system. I didn't get it ordered and in the meantime, our Christian > >bookstore closed. The nearest one is 320 miles away (I live in Alaska). > >Does anyone have an on-line source to obtain this? > > > >Thanks. > >Rebecca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:51:56 -0500 Subject: Re: Welcome to the Biblemem list! From: Welcome to the list! I have been encouraged by the reports of others since I've been a part of the list, and I know it will do the same for you. God bless. =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:40:28 -0500 Subject: motivation to memorize From: I just took my daughter, Natalie, age 13, to a Point of Grace concert last night. She wanted desperately to go. I told her I would take her on one condition: she had to first memorze the book of James. I work with all my children on memorizing scripture (# nine is due in Sept :-) ). We do it together as a family after breakfast. Last year I began encouraging them to work independently on memorization. I assigned a different book to each of them down to the 7 year old who got Philemon. Natalie's was James. Over the course of several months Natalie managed to get half a chapter done. She just wasn't motivated. Then came the concert. As the concert date approached and she began running out of time she worked in earnest. At the end she was doing up to 17 verses a day! She got it all done Saturday night and Sunday we went to the concert! Her retention has been pretty amazing. I do intend to go over it with her over the next few weeks to burn it in. Children have an incredible ability to memorize. Our challenge is to find the right motivation. Dean May Terre Haute, IN =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:40:49 -0500 Subject: "old" TMS From: "James Long" There has been really great interest in the 70's TMS that I mentioned from the NAVS. As a result I have put together the following page: http://lcd-kentucky.com/TMS_mem.htm I do not have the Adobe Acrobat version there yet, but I plan to in the next week. You will also find a copy of the TMS in Brain Forrest format for those of you with 3Com Palm Pilots or IBM Think Pads. James _________________________________________ James Long LCD-Kentucky PO Box 22796 Lexington, KY 40522 (606)489-6309 - mobile/voice mail (606)489-5398 - Fax LCD-KY Solutions you can use. =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:41:00 -0500 Subject: Re: Anyone memorized Revelation? From: I haven't even had a thought to memorize Revelation! But I certainly admire anyone who is out to try. I looked at it when this posting came over, and I was really surprised at how much of the text I had in my memory, and hadn't even tried! I haven't reported on my progress with my memory project, and I know that we said that we would take that accountability when we started the list, so here is my first report: I have revised the plan I had originally - and I don't feel badly about that at all, because the new plan I have is working very well - for me. I started out thinking whole books - and had already done 1 John when the list came up. But my direction changed when I realized that I memorize so much better in connection with my in depth Bible study. I have been teaching a class (10 weeks - just finished this past Monday night) to some of the ladies in my church on "How to Study the Bible" - a pretty thorough explanation of the Inductive process, and in connection with that, there were many verses, paragraphs, sections, and books which I used as illustations for observing, interpreting, and applying the truth of Scripture. I outlined and charted some of these, and gave homework assignments for the same. I found that as I REALLY understood the meaning of the text, it was so much easier to quote from memory. The memorization didn't seem to be so hard. Since we have been studying the Psalms in our Sunday School class, I have commited to memorizing the ones we study each week. Some I learned as a child, but needed to review. I shared my commitment to do this with my class, and I have challenged them to do the same, or at least make some sort of plan for memorization. These, too, have been so much easier to learn by heart as I've really studied and understand them better. I believe that I learned much more in my class than my ladies did, although they tell me that it was very valuable for them, and it is such a thrill to hear the discussion in our Sunday School class reflect that they are using the study process as I taught them! I guess I am saying all of this to say that I agree with one posting which suggested that maybe outlining a book would make the memorization easier - if the outlining leads to a better understanding of the text. Memorizing is just putting words in your head that won't stay there if the message isn't what you meditate on. So what is my progress report? I have memorized 10 new Psalms, a large passage from Nehemiah, and several chapters in the book of Acts and Romans since we started this listing. But more than that, I have been so very much touched by the Word that I have "chewed up and eaten" that I know I will never be the same. I have been led to pursue the topic of "Passion", as descriptive of the early church, because I am convicted that that is what is missing in the Church today. It is just a word, one that I was impressed with, but you cannot imagine where it is taking me! I do want to memorize complete books. I can't believe that I am 62 years old, have been a Christian many years, in church most of my life, and I'm just now learning some of the things that I am! God is never quite finished with us, is He? Years ago I took as my life motto - "To know Him - - " (Phil. 3:10), but I didn't know that there was so MUCH to know! So the question is, "What am I ( or you) going to do with that which I (we) DO know?" For myself, I pray that I will be used to influence the women in my church, for starters, to just learn what it means to be loved by Christ, and to love Him back. This listing has started me on a brand new journey! Thank you for bringing us together. =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:40:30 -0500 Subject: RE: Navigator's Memory Aid From: IGT The 2:7 series is a great study series. I use the "Design for Discipleship" series with college students, and the 2:7 is sort of a community and church version of the DFD. Glad to hear you are memorizing the verses, Lloyd. James > -----Original Message----- > From: Lloyd Douglas [mailto:wdouglasnanaimo.ark.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 12:21 AM > To: biblememistar.ca > Subject: Re: Navigator's Memory Aid > > > Hi Rebecca: > > My name is Lloyd from Nanaimo, B.C., Canada. The Navigators office email > in > Canada is: navigatorsofcanadaldn.mediaglobe.com . I have > ordered material > from them. I am presently working my way through the 6 courses of the 2:7 > program and I am presently completing course 4 memory work. After > completing all 6 courses you would have learned 65 verses > altogether around > key assurances and major topical areas, i.e. Living the New Life, Sharing > Christ and Rely on God's Resources. > I am finding this very profitable. > > in Christ, > Lloyd, > 2 Chronicles 20:12 > -----Original Message----- > From: Rebecca Steadman > To: biblememistar.ca > Date: Monday, April 19, 1999 6:22 AM > Subject: Navigator's Memory Aid > > > >A while back someone suggested using the Navigator's topical Bible memory > >system. I didn't get it ordered and in the meantime, our Christian > >bookstore closed. The nearest one is 320 miles away (I live in Alaska). > >Does anyone have an on-line source to obtain this? > > > >Thanks. > >Rebecca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===============================================================================