Sent: August 12, 2003 11:45 AM Subject: Biblemem discussion list From: Stephen Simpson Greetings to all, There has been no activity on the list for such a long time I thought that I would see if I can start up a discussion. How's everybody doing? What are you memorizing? Any success stories? Anyone need encouragement? Stephen Simpson List Moderator =============================================================================== Sent: August 18, 2003 1:23 PM Subject: Re: Biblemem discussion list From: Sharon McKay Dear Stephen and all those who respond: It is such an encouragement to read how others are dedicated to scripture memory. The word of God speaks! The best Christmas present I rec'd last year was the advice of a humble Christian man to read through my Bible like a storybook. I have taken to the task of reading at least 3 chapters every morning since then and it has literally changed my life! And I mark up all the passages that I love and that speaks to me. Sometimes there is more underlined than not. Now I have started going back to the portions that I want to or have memorized and am writing a list of those verses so I can actively review and memorize every week. So far I have more than 250 verses or full passages that I want to learn. Sometimes it is hard to find the extra time to devote to scripture memory but it is so essential (as well as to know the references). I find it frustrating when I know of a certain verse in the Bible but cannot find it - it is so important to have references. Even though scripture memory is challenging it is so rewarding and blesses us. I heard this wonderful story about an elderly woman that someone went to visit. For most elderly people, they can be lonely and find it hard to fill their time during the day. Not this woman. When she was asked how she was doing she exclaimed that she was so busy - she knew that she did not have much more time on earth and wanted to prepare herself for when she meets her Lord and Saviour - so she was filling her time memorizing all the psalms and memorizing hymns of old with which she could worship her God. That's what I want to be like and we can all start doing that now. How delighted God is with us when we want to meditate and memorize His Word. God's blessings to you all, Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Simpson" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 11:44 AM Subject: Biblemem discussion list > Greetings to all, > > > There has been no activity on the list for such a long time I thought > that I would see if I can start up a discussion. > > > How's everybody doing? > > What are you memorizing? > > Any success stories? > > Anyone need encouragement? > > Stephen Simpson > List Moderator > > > > > =============================================================================== Sent: August 18, 2003 1:13 PM Subject: Re: Biblemem discussion list From: jean whitfield Dear Biblemem List Friends, I have been lurking here for a long time and thought it time I write. Memorization came to a grinding halt when a concussion effected my short term memory in January. It has take time to heal. I think it was a mistake to stop memorizing after the head injury, because I've only begun seeing improvement since I have returned to scripture. Stephen, thanks for the encouragement to write. I hope that you have had good sucess memorizing scripture. If you need encouragement, we will be there for you with prayer, emails or whatever. Stephen, thanks for the encouragement to write! Please keep proding. Sincerely, Jean Whitfield Deuteronomy 6:6-12 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: 7: And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. 8: And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes. 9: And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates. 10: And it shall be, when the LORD thy God shall have brought thee into the land which he sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give thee great and goodly cities, which thou buildedst not, 11: And houses full of all good things, which thou filledst not, and wells digged, which thou diggedst not, vineyards and olive trees, which thou plantedst not; when thou shalt have eaten and be full; 12: Then beware lest thou forget the LORD, which brought thee forth out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. Deuteronomy 11:18-21__Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes. 19: And ye shall teach them your children, speaking of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. 20: And thou shalt write them upon the door posts of thine house, and upon thy gates: 21: That your days may be multiplied, and the days of your children, in the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers to give them, as the days of heaven upon the earth. Joshua 1:8 This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success. >From: "Stephen Simpson" >Reply-To: biblememmemoryverses.org >To: biblememmemoryverses.org >Subject: Biblemem discussion list >Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:44:53 -0500 > >Greetings to all, > > >There has been no activity on the list for such a long time I thought >that I would see if I can start up a discussion. =============================================================================== Sent: August 18, 2003 1:13 PM Subject: Re: Biblemem discussion list From: Philip Walker Stephen, I have a group of friends who memorize a verse a day from each chapter of a book of the Bible. We started in Genesis and in August had a few join us with the start of Joshua. (We now have six in our group) It is a lot of fun and gives a good overview of the books as well as lets you find and keep special nuggets of spiritual truth. We will start Judges on September 1st. (We start new books at the start of a month to keep track of the chapters easier in case someone gets behind.) For October 1st I hope to have a system set up to throw out a national appeal to see who would want to join us and let them choose between 1 Samuel and Matthew. Soon I would also like to see groups doing favorite chapters this verse a day way as well. Phil Walker Stephen Simpson wrote: Greetings to all, There has been no activity on the list for such a long time I thought that I would see if I can start up a discussion. How's everybody doing? What are you memorizing? Any success stories? Anyone need encouragement? Stephen Simpson List Moderator =============================================================================== Sent: August 18, 2003 1:13 PM Subject: Re: Biblemem discussion list From: Glenda Poulter I've been very busy this summer. My mother's cancer recurred and we are back on the chemo roller coaster with her. She has treatment every three weeks and for a week feels horrible and for two weeks is pretty normal. I am also training to walk a half-marathon in November and a full marathon in February, so the time I'm not with Mom is spent either on the track or at the gym. I hate to admit I've fallen off on my memorization, although I was thinking about it this morning. I'm contemplating starting to memorize the book of James. My support group (one other dear friend, if you can call that a group!) will start meeting again the Sunday after Labor Day and I think I'll be able to stay motivated knowing I have someone to be accountable to. I mean, I know I'm accountable to God, but someone face to face who is also trying to memorize His Word. I hope everyone is well and is having a blessed summer. Glenda Stephen Simpson wrote: Greetings to all, There has been no activity on the list for such a long time I thought that I would see if I can start up a discussion. How's everybody doing? What are you memorizing? Any success stories? Anyone need encouragement? Stephen Simpson List Moderator =============================================================================== Sent: August 18, 2003 12:42 PM Subject: Re: Biblemem discussion list From: Ken & Rose Kreis Stephen, Greetings! Working on John 1 and hope to do the entire Book of John. As most often heard, I need to take the little bit of time out of the busy daily schedule and stick with it. Have a great weekend ahead - Christ's Blessings to you and yours. Ken Kreis Rudd, IA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Simpson" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 10:44 Subject: Biblemem discussion list > Greetings to all, > > > There has been no activity on the list for such a long time I thought > that I would see if I can start up a discussion. > > > How's everybody doing? > > What are you memorizing? > > Any success stories? > > Anyone need encouragement? > > Stephen Simpson > List Moderator > > > > =============================================================================== Sent: August 18, 2003 12:42 PM Subject: RE: Biblemem discussion list From: Robert Harris Hi Stephen and everybody else! I'm new to this list and indeed memorizing scripture. I'm still at the stage of deciding on which technique(s) to use, so any suggestions would be very welcome. My goals are as follows: 1) Use a system that will enable me to memorize the entire bible. 2) Be able to recall verse from reference. 3) Be able to recall reference from verse. Any success stories or hints? Cheers, Rob. -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Simpson [mailto:ssimpsonelmcomputers.com] Sent: 12 August 2003 16:45 To: biblememmemoryverses.org Subject: Biblemem discussion list Greetings to all, There has been no activity on the list for such a long time I thought that I would see if I can start up a discussion. How's everybody doing? What are you memorizing? Any success stories? Anyone need encouragement? Stephen Simpson List Moderator =============================================================================== Sent: August 18, 2003 12:42 PM Subject: RE: Biblemem discussion list From: David Huff Stephen - I've had some really exciting progress over the last few months memorizing the Sermon on the Mount. I've completed Matthew 5, and Matthew 6, and am now working on Matthew 7. I carry a little Gideon New Testatment in my car, and work on verses while I'm stopped at traffic lights, etc. It's amazing how those spare seconds and minutes add up. And, as funny as this may sound, I use my morning shower and shave time as my main "block" of review time. Beats just looking in the mirror with a blank stare :-) David H. -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Simpson [mailto:ssimpsonelmcomputers.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 11:45 AM To: biblememmemoryverses.org Subject: Biblemem discussion list Greetings to all, There has been no activity on the list for such a long time I thought that I would see if I can start up a discussion. How's everybody doing? What are you memorizing? Any success stories? Anyone need encouragement? Stephen Simpson List Moderator =============================================================================== Sent: August 18, 2003 12:41 PM Subject: Re: Biblemem discussion list From: Terry Vogelaar > What are you memorizing? I recently finished learning Revelation, meaning that I know the entire book when seeing the first chars of each word as a hint. There are so many things said about this book that noone seems to know what it actually says, because every time we 'just' read it, we hear the voices of the ones that tried to explain things to us about this book. Memorizing Revelation is a great way to objectively look at it. It gives a great insight in what it is about and why it is written. The book writes to the hearts of those in suppression and tells them (and us) that God will revenge; we shouldn't. Most commentaries don't mention this important theme. The style is interesting too; it is very 'poor'. (Probably like my english). It is like reading the draft version from John - no polished language. It sounds very authentic. I want to memorize some psalms soon. I want to know the examples the Bible provides us to worship God by heart. In Christ, Terry =============================================================================== Sent: August 18, 2003 12:41 PM Subject: Re: Biblemem discussion list From: Curt Nies Steve, Greetings in the Name of the Lord. I have been recieving this discussion for about a year now. I have been challanged by it. Recently our church went thru the Navigator's Topical Memory list. I have provided them with verses to memorize for about 2 years . I have encouraged them to use it for a devotional or memorize one or two verses a week or go for everyday a verse. That is my personal goal. I use the initial method that I learned about on this list.So thank you for providing this .. I feel like a newcomer to all this but I am determined to memorize. My weakness is review and the discipline to do it. I have written the verses in a notebook and take it with me to places. I started out with going thru the alpabet with a verse for each ,then thru R.A. Torrey's list for personal Workers that I found out about on this discussion so once again thanks. My is Curt Nies at cnieshelicon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Simpson" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 11:44 AM Subject: Biblemem discussion list > Greetings to all, > > > There has been no activity on the list for such a long time I thought > that I would see if I can start up a discussion. > > > How's everybody doing? > > What are you memorizing? > > Any success stories? > > Anyone need encouragement? > > Stephen Simpson > List Moderator > > > > =============================================================================== Sent: August 18, 2003 12:41 PM Subject: Re: Biblemem discussion list From: Carol Eichert Hi! I have always appreciated hearing how others are committed to (and struggle with) scripture memory. I was thrilled to find your group and it has really helped me to not give up! It's funny because I know and love the benefits of memorizing, but it's still a discipline/choice that I struggle to continue to do on a daily basis. I pray and ask God to help me with this, but it seems that it doesn't really get easier. One of the things I love about scripture memory is that once a wealth of verses are stored in memory, it's wonderful how truths "fall together" and connect through scripture. Ultimately, it helps me to have a deeper understanding of who God is. Anyway, this summer has been rough for me regarding memorizing, but I'm determined to keep it up. Thanks for all you do to help others stay encouraged to memorize! Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Simpson" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 11:44 AM Subject: Biblemem discussion list > Greetings to all, > > > There has been no activity on the list for such a long time I thought > that I would see if I can start up a discussion. > > > How's everybody doing? > > What are you memorizing? > > Any success stories? > > Anyone need encouragement? > > Stephen Simpson > List Moderator > > > > > =============================================================================== Sent: August 18, 2003 12:42 PM Subject: Re: Biblemem discussion list/memorizing large blocks? From: Beth Montgomery Hi, The largest "block" of scripture I have memorized is Isaiah Chapter 6. I would like to begin memorizing several chapters at a time. My question is, can a translations wording - i.e. "flow" make memorizing large sections of scripture easier or more difficult depending on structure? Does the rhyme of the KJV or NKJV make memoring easier than in the NAS or NIV for example? I'm certainly not asking which version is better, but am asking if you feel that one's "ebb and flow" is easier to memorize than another, or, if one paints a better "picture" than others thereby making memorizing large sections easier? Appreciate any input. This is my first attempt at 3 or more chapters and I'm a little overwhelmed at the thought... but really excited to get started!! :) thanks much Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Simpson" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 8:44 AM Subject: Biblemem discussion list > Greetings to all, > > > There has been no activity on the list for such a long time I thought > that I would see if I can start up a discussion. > > > How's everybody doing? > > What are you memorizing? > > Any success stories? > > Anyone need encouragement? > > Stephen Simpson > List Moderator > > > > > =============================================================================== Sent: August 18, 2003 12:41 PM Subject: Re:Biblemem discussion list From: Neylton Souto Hi, Stephen Simpson I live in Brazil and I am memorizing chapter 14, 15, 16 and 17 of the book of John. I believe that already I memorized chapter 12 of Romans. I am using the calendar of the email that has tasks and then write or capture the text and receive as something to be remembered. This has helped me to memorize. I know many versicles but it did not worry me in memorizing them. Later that I knew this group I passed to be interested more for the memorization. It is an excellent experience for my life of communion, education and spreading of the Word of God. It forgives for my English. I do not have habit to write and I do not know if I am writing with clarity and understanding In the Peace of God Neylton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Simpson" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 12:44 PM Subject: Biblemem discussion list Greetings to all, There has been no activity on the list for such a long time I thought that I would see if I can start up a discussion. How's everybody doing? What are you memorizing? Any success stories? Anyone need encouragement? Stephen Simpson List Moderator =============================================================================== Sent: August 19, 2003 2:57 AM Subject: Re: Biblemem discussion list From: Phuti Semenya Hi, Please be informed of my change in e-mail address. My new e-mail address is phuti.semenyaarivia.co.za >>> ssimpsonelmcomputers.com 08/12/03 05:44PM >>> Greetings to all, There has been no activity on the list for such a long time I thought that I would see if I can start up a discussion. How's everybody doing? What are you memorizing? Any success stories? Anyone need encouragement? Stephen Simpson List Moderator =============================================================================== Sent: August 20, 2003 2:56 PM Subject: question regarding child memorization From: Michelle Kirkland I have a three year old son and I really want him to start memorizing scripture. I've found some basic scriptures suggested online for him to do but they're on coloring sheets. He isn't very interested in coloring so what do you suggest I do to help him commit the to memory? Read it to him over and over and have him say it back to me? I'm afraid he'll start to resist eventually because he likes variety. Thanks, Michelle =============================================================================== Sent: August 20, 2003 2:56 PM Subject: RE: Biblemem discussion list From: Glenda Poulter Rob! What an awesome goal, to memorize the entire Bible! Right now, I'm still learning verses and blocks of verses rather than entire chapters and/or books. The system I use is a series of index cards with the reference written on one side and the verse(s) I'm working on on the opposite side. I always say the reference before and after the verse and I always practice/review the verses I'm working on aloud. I have an accountability partner whom I meet with once a week (okay, we didn't during the summer, but we're starting up again in the next few weeks) and she prompts me with the reference and sometimes the start of a verse. That way I can hear a verse and know the reference or vice versa. Hope some of this helps. Good luck and godspeed in meeting your goal. Glenda Robert Harris wrote: Hi Stephen and everybody else! I'm new to this list and indeed memorizing scripture. I'm still at the stage of deciding on which technique(s) to use, so any suggestions would be very welcome. My goals are as follows: 1) Use a system that will enable me to memorize the entire bible. 2) Be able to recall verse from reference. 3) Be able to recall reference from verse. Any success stories or hints? Cheers, Rob. -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Simpson [mailto:ssimpsonelmcomputers.com] Sent: 12 August 2003 16:45 To: biblememmemoryverses.org Subject: Biblemem discussion list Greetings to all, There has been no activity on the list for such a long time I thought that I would see if I can start up a discussion. How's everybody doing? What are you memorizing? Any success stories? Anyone need encouragement? Stephen Simpson List Moderator In God's love, Glenda =============================================================================== Sent: August 20, 2003 2:47 PM Subject: RE: Biblemem discussion list From: Stephen McIntosh Stephen, Glad you sent the message, centers the focus again. I face the age old problem of finding time to memorize. Any hints on overcoming that hurdle? (I know I have to just make time for matters that are eternally pressing.) The other problem is having survived a severe closed head injury 10 years ago, God kept me alive for a reason, I don't see what yet. Is there a public resource for efrfective memorization? By His matchless grace, Stephen McIntosh -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Simpson [mailto:ssimpsonelmcomputers.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 11:45 AM To: biblememmemoryverses.org Subject: Biblemem discussion list Greetings to all, There has been no activity on the list for such a long time I thought that I would see if I can start up a discussion. How's everybody doing? What are you memorizing? Any success stories? Anyone need encouragement? Stephen Simpson List Moderator =============================================================================== Sent: August 20, 2003 2:47 PM Subject: Re: Biblemem discussion list From: to the gal that is training for a marathon.. great time to listen to your own voice reading scriptures that you want to memorize. it has been demonstrated that we remember more if it is heard in our own voices katie =============================================================================== Sent: August 20, 2003 2:47 PM Subject: Re: Biblemem discussion list From: Henry Digby To everyone, It has been a wonderful experience for me to see the interest in memorizing as reflected in the activity on this email site. I have memorized on and off most of my life but, about February or so of the year 2000, the Lord challenged me to do it permanently on a long term basis and so I determined to do exactly that. It has been one of the most wonderful experiences of my life! I don't have a lot of time right at this moment to go into detail about how I go about it. However, if there is some interest among you all in knowing a little about my experience, I would be glad to share it sometime. The Lord was pretty specific with me about how to go about doing it. He even gave me some rules to use as guidelines--rules that were designed to make it an encouraging activity and not discouraging for me. And a long time ago He also warned me not to expect an overnight miracle. The Lord mentioned to me the fact that I had spent many years allowing my mind to get into a very undisciplined state and He told me that it would also take some time to undo all that. When I started in early Spring of 2000, it really wasn't until I had been consistent in memorization for probably 6 months or so that I began to be aware of the fact that a dramatic change was taking place in my thinking habits and my outlook on life. Whereas I used to be very negative years ago, the Lord has used the Scripture I have hidden in my heart to give me a very positive outlook on life. By the grace of God, I have now memorized or reviewed (since February of 2000) Colossians 3, Psalms 1, 19, 23, 24, 27, 34, 37, 91, 100, 103, and 121, Romans 5 through 8, the entire book of Ephesians (that was the first book I ever memorized in my life!), the entire book of James, and the entire book of I John. I also memorized, in Spanish (I'm bilingual), the entire book of II Peter and the entire book of I John. In addition, I memorized Psalm 119 in Spanish. I memorized Psalm 119 because I decided that, if I were able to memorize that one, the psychological boost (since it's the longest chapter in the Bible) would make any other chapter in the Bible seem easy by comparison! Psalm 119 took me from about February of 2002 to about February of 2003! Right now, I'm working my way through Hebrews in Spanish (I'm on chapter 3). I do NOT have a fantastic memory. What I do have is a deep hunger and love for God and His Word and I am also persistent--I do not easily give up! Anybody--ANYBODY can do this. It's a lot of work, but it's very, very rewarding. For me, it is also a symbol of how badly I want the Lord in my life and how desperately I feel a need for Him! I feel that my love for Him has tremendously increased since I started doing this. Truly God rewards those who truly seek Him. You will get as much of God in your life as you really desire when you manifest that desire by seeking Him. He may delay at first, in order to prove whether you really mean business or not. But in the end, He will be your rich Reward. It's worth it all! God bless you all! Henry A. Digby =============================================================================== Sent: August 20, 2003 2:46 PM Subject: Re: Biblemem discussion list From: Jim Quinlan Hey, Phil! Good to hear from you (albeit groupwise). It sounds like you're working well on memorization. May God bless your efforts. Our Church's regular summer camp went well (three of my kids went for four weeks and one of my oldest daughter served as ac ounsellor; she says it was a great blessing for her). Over 6,000 children participated overall. Still, I would like to see a camp focused on Scripture, as taht which you planned. What can I do to work toward that for nest Summer? Best wishes, Jim >From: Philip Walker >Reply-To: biblememmemoryverses.org >To: biblememmemoryverses.org >Subject: Re: Biblemem discussion list >Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 12:12:54 -0500 > >Stephen, I have a group of friends who memorize a verse a day from each >chapter of a book of the Bible. We started in Genesis and in August >had a few join us with the start of Joshua. (We now have six in our >group) It is a lot of fun and gives a good overview of the books as >well as lets you find and keep special nuggets of spiritual truth. > >We will start Judges on September 1st. (We start new books at the >start of a month to keep track of the chapters easier in case someone >gets behind.) > >For October 1st I hope to have a system set up to throw out a national >appeal to see who would want to join us and let them choose between 1 >Samuel and Matthew. > >Soon I would also like to see groups doing favorite chapters this verse >a day way as well. > >Phil Walker > >Stephen Simpson wrote: > > Greetings to all, > > > There has been no activity on the list for such a long time I >thought > that I would see if I can start up a discussion. > > > How's everybody doing? > > What are you memorizing? > > Any success stories? > > Anyone need encouragement? > > Stephen Simpson > List Moderator > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail =============================================================================== Sent: August 20, 2003 4:01 PM Subject: RE: Biblemem discussion list From: Terry Portis I memorize at the fitness center when I am on the cross trainer or treadmill. I am memorizing now more than ever before. Sometimes I do sections (just finished John Chapter 1), but I prefer to do key verses from a particular book I am reading. Right now, I am reading less than a chapter per day in Hebrews, and will pull four or five verses from there over the 30 day period. For this time, I also read a couple of sermons by CH Spurgeon based out of Hebrews. This is also sort of like personal history for me, I will look back on the summer of 2003 as the period I focused on Hebrews. I review all of the verses I have memorized from time to time just to keep them fresh in my mind. Terry Portis, Ed.D. Executive Director Self Help for Hard of Hearing People hearingloss.org Washington, DC Office: 7910 Woodmont Ave, Suite 1200 Bethesda, MD 21702 301-657-2248 -----Original Message----- From: Stephen McIntosh [mailto:sgmcisurfbest.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:47 PM To: biblememmemoryverses.org Subject: RE: Biblemem discussion list Stephen, Glad you sent the message, centers the focus again. I face the age old problem of finding time to memorize. Any hints on overcoming that hurdle? (I know I have to just make time for matters that are eternally pressing.) The other problem is having survived a severe closed head injury 10 years ago, God kept me alive for a reason, I don't see what yet. Is there a public resource for efrfective memorization? By His matchless grace, Stephen McIntosh -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Simpson [mailto:ssimpsonelmcomputers.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 11:45 AM To: biblememmemoryverses.org Subject: Biblemem discussion list Greetings to all, There has been no activity on the list for such a long time I thought that I would see if I can start up a discussion. How's everybody doing? What are you memorizing? Any success stories? Anyone need encouragement? Stephen Simpson List Moderator =============================================================================== Sent: August 20, 2003 4:01 PM Subject: RE: Biblemem discussion list/memorizing large blocks? From: Terry Portis I agree with Glenda about the NKJV. I have tried almost every version and find it difficult to remember anything other than NKJV. I do not know whether or not it is I grew up with the KJV or if it because it sounds different or has a different cadence than other materials I read. Terry Portis, Ed.D. Executive Director Self Help for Hard of Hearing People hearingloss.org Washington, DC Office: 7910 Woodmont Ave, Suite 1200 Bethesda, MD 21702 301-657-2248 -----Original Message----- From: Glenda Poulter [mailto:imtogferyahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:56 PM To: biblememmemoryverses.org Subject: Re: Biblemem discussion list/memorizing large blocks? Hi, Beth, I totally understand your question about the "ebb and flow" of one version of the Bible vs. another one. My study Bible is NASB, but my memorization Bible is NKJV, for just the exact reason you mentioned. I think the NKJV is so much easier to memorize because of the order in which the words appear. Just my 2 cents worth! Glenda Beth Montgomery wrote: Hi, The largest "block" of scripture I have memorized is Isaiah Chapter 6. I would like to begin memorizing several chapters at a time. My question is, can a translations wording - i.e. "flow" make memorizing large sections of scripture easier or more difficult depending on structure? Does the rhyme of the KJV or NKJV make memoring easier than in the NAS or NIV for example? I'm certainly not asking which version is better, but am asking if you feel that one's "ebb and flow" is easier to memorize than another, or, if one paints a better "picture" than others thereby making memorizing large sections easier? Appreciate any input. This is my first attempt at 3 or more chapters and I'm a little overwhelmed at the thought... but really excited to get started!! :) thanks much Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Simpson" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 8:44 AM Subject: Biblemem discussion list > Greetings to all, > > > There has been no activity on the list for such a long time I thought > that I would see if I can start up a discussion. > > > How's everybody doing? > > What are you memorizing? > > Any success stories? > > Anyone need encouragement? > > Stephen Simpson > List Moderator > > > > > In God's love, Glenda =============================================================================== Sent: August 20, 2003 2:56 PM Subject: Re: Biblemem discussion list/memorizing large blocks? From: Glenda Poulter Hi, Beth, I totally understand your question about the "ebb and flow" of one version of the Bible vs. another one. My study Bible is NASB, but my memorization Bible is NKJV, for just the exact reason you mentioned. I think the NKJV is so much easier to memorize because of the order in which the words appear. Just my 2 cents worth! Glenda Beth Montgomery wrote: Hi, The largest "block" of scripture I have memorized is Isaiah Chapter 6. I would like to begin memorizing several chapters at a time. My question is, can a translations wording - i.e. "flow" make memorizing large sections of scripture easier or more difficult depending on structure? Does the rhyme of the KJV or NKJV make memoring easier than in the NAS or NIV for example? I'm certainly not asking which version is better, but am asking if you feel that one's "ebb and flow" is easier to memorize than another, or, if one paints a better "picture" than others thereby making memorizing large sections easier? Appreciate any input. This is my first attempt at 3 or more chapters and I'm a little overwhelmed at the thought... but really excited to get started!! :) thanks much Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Simpson" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 8:44 AM Subject: Biblemem discussion list > Greetings to all, > > > There has been no activity on the list for such a long time I thought > that I would see if I can start up a discussion. > > > How's everybody doing? > > What are you memorizing? > > Any success stories? > > Anyone need encouragement? > > Stephen Simpson > List Moderator > > > > > In God's love, Glenda =============================================================================== Sent: August 20, 2003 4:01 PM Subject: RE: question regarding child memorization From: Stephen Simpson Greetings, I can think of the following points: - Firstly, do not underestimate the power of a child's memory. He can probably memorize more than you think - You probably do not have to simplify the grammar of the verses, but you will have to start with short passages. IE "do unto others as you would have them do unto you". - You also need to understand that most children do not know the meaning of many of the words they hear. For example if you get them to memorize "Children, obey your parents in everything, for this pleases the Lord.", make sure they know what the word 'obey' actually means. At three years old he probably does not. - Start very very slowly. We want to establish a habit. A little each day is important. - Be fair. If you memorize "Children, obey your parents in everything, for this pleases the Lord." make sure that you get them to memorize the next line too. "Fathers, do not embitter your children, or they will become discouraged." (col 3:20-21). The child needs to know that the parents are accountable too. - Make it as important and regular as brushing your teeth or eating lunch. Therefore you expect and require cooperation. - Make it fun. Meaning, the child cannot focus on your repeating it over and over. That's hard to listen to and boring. Be creative. Do fun things. For example there was a time when each night I would hide under a blanket with my son (we each would have a flashlight) and in our tent, we would review our verses. Years later, we do it in the car on the way to school. - Do not let it drop after a few weeks. Make sure your system adapts to changing seasons. - Make it relevant. Smile. Do you best to explain why we do this. - Through the day, bring these verses you have memorized to mind when an application comes up. For example, we remind our children to chew with our mouths closed, to say please and thank you, to wait your turn, to flush the toilet, to turn off the tap and the lights, that you cannot yell when someone is on the phone, etc. We spend half our day doing this sort of thing. But how often do we tell our children that when he has done is just like the Bible verse says, or was just what the Bible says not to do. So in your daily comings and goings make sure you teach them why God has said what he has said. - As for you, make sure that God's word is on your own heart before you try to impress it on your children. Consider Deut 6:4-9 Most of these ideas come from this passage: Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes. 9 And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Michelle Kirkland [mailto:mlkirklandyahoo.com] Sent: August 20, 2003 2:56 PM To: biblememmemoryverses.org Subject: question regarding child memorization I have a three year old son and I really want him to start memorizing scripture. I've found some basic scriptures suggested online for him to do but they're on coloring sheets. He isn't very interested in coloring so what do you suggest I do to help him commit the to memory? Read it to him over and over and have him say it back to me? I'm afraid he'll start to resist eventually because he likes variety. Thanks, Michelle =============================================================================== Sent: August 20, 2003 4:01 PM Subject: RE: question regarding child memorization From: Terry Portis When my kids were that age Scripture song tapes worked great. Terry Portis, Ed.D. Executive Director Self Help for Hard of Hearing People hearingloss.org Washington, DC Office: 7910 Woodmont Ave, Suite 1200 Bethesda, MD 21702 301-657-2248 -----Original Message----- From: Michelle Kirkland [mailto:mlkirklandyahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:56 PM To: biblememmemoryverses.org Subject: question regarding child memorization I have a three year old son and I really want him to start memorizing scripture. I've found some basic scriptures suggested online for him to do but they're on coloring sheets. He isn't very interested in coloring so what do you suggest I do to help him commit the to memory? Read it to him over and over and have him say it back to me? I'm afraid he'll start to resist eventually because he likes variety. Thanks, Michelle =============================================================================== Sent: August 20, 2003 2:47 PM Subject: re: what are you memorizing? From: Deborah I am very slow, it has taken me two months to memorize the first 20 verses of 1 Peter 1. My goal is the whole book, I've gotten bogged down the last few weeks. Deborah > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Simpson" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 11:44 AM > Subject: Biblemem discussion list > > > > Greetings to all, > > > > > > There has been no activity on the list for such a long time I > > thought that I would see if I can start up a discussion. > > > > > > How's everybody doing? > > > > What are you memorizing? > > > > Any success stories? > > > > Anyone need encouragement? > > > > Stephen Simpson > > List Moderator > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =============================================================================== Sent: August 23, 2003 1:09 AM Subject: Re: question regarding child memorization From: Carol Eichert The best things I do to involve my three year old in scripture memory are to involve movement while memorizing (associating the rhythm of the verse with the rhythm of movement), singing the verses (can also do to already familiar tune like "Twinkle Twinkle Little Star"), and also working with my/or my daughter's (6 year old) memory verses aloud. I was surprised that my 3 year old has ended up memorizing just by overhearing us working on our verses together! Have fun, Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Kirkland" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 2:56 PM Subject: question regarding child memorization > I have a three year old son and I really want him to start memorizing > scripture. I've found some basic scriptures suggested online for him > to do but they're on coloring sheets. He isn't very interested in > coloring so what do you suggest I do to help him commit the to memory? > Read it to him over and over and have him say it back to me? I'm > afraid he'll start to resist eventually because he likes variety. > > Thanks, > Michelle > > > > > > =============================================================================== Sent: August 23, 2003 1:09 AM Subject: RE: question regarding child memorization From: Betsey Cross For variety I have... written a word or phrase on a symbol that relates to the verse (we used ants marching up a hill for the Proverbs passage on ants) Even if they can't read they still love the visual and following along with their finger or hand (our ants were huge and crawled along the dining room wall). clapped a rythm for the verse as we said it. This is great with little ones, the rythm pattern helps them if they are auditory learners. jumped, danced, kicked our feet, marched, spun, and even wrote it on the driveway and played follow the leader on it, while reciting it. you get bored with these ideas holler. Your servant, Betsey "Above all else, guard your heart, for it affects everything you do." Proverbs 4:23 >-----Original Message----- >I have a three year old son and I really want him to start memorizing >scripture. I've found some basic scriptures suggested online for him to >do but they're on coloring sheets. He isn't very interested in coloring >so what do you suggest I do to help him commit the to memory? Read it >to him over and over and have him say it back to me? I'm afraid he'll >start to resist eventually because he likes variety. > >Thanks, >Michelle _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 and help protect your children with advanced parental controls. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parental =============================================================================== Sent: August 24, 2003 7:49 PM Subject: child memorization to TUNES From: Glenn Belcher Michelle I have hundreds of scripture songs I've set to music. Many are basic tunes such as Happy Birthday, Mary Had A Little Lamb, Amazing Grace, and others. I've got oodles ifyou think it might be something he'd like to go for. Let me know! P.S. They are all KJV so you'd hve to modify them for other Bible versions. OT & NT verses. Michelle Kirkland wrote: >I have a three year old son and I really want him to start memorizing >scripture. I've found some basic scriptures suggested online for him to >do but they're on coloring sheets. He isn't very interested in coloring >so what do you suggest I do to help him commit the to memory? Read it >to him over and over and have him say it back to me? I'm afraid he'll >start to resist eventually because he likes variety. > >Thanks, >Michelle > > > > > > > =============================================================================== Sent: August 24, 2003 7:49 PM Subject: Re: Biblemem discussion list/memorizing large blocks? From: Beth Montgomery That makes a lot of sense. Thanks Glenda and Terry for your input :). I'm trying to memorize Rom ch10 in the NKJV right now. I've memorized from so many different translations I feel like a mutt or heinz 57! I really need to narrow it to only one and concentrate on that. thanks again for your help :) Beth =============================================================================== Sent: August 26, 2003 10:51 AM Subject: Carol & Betsy From: Michelle Kirkland Thank you both for your suggestions on how I can help my 3 yr old memorize scripture. I've been printing out coloring pages from the 'net with the verses on them so he's go a picture to look at while we say the verse together. He doesn't like to color anymore but at least he's got the images on there. So far he's cooperated with repeating it with me. I've incorporated it with his "school" (a very informal version of pre-school homeschool) so it's already part of his sit-down school time. We say the verse, go over a shape, say the verse, go over a letter, say the verse again, go over a number and say the verse again and then school's done. Fifteen minutes of "school" is about all I can ask of him right now. Apparently it's just the right time because he doesn't get antsy before it's over. Anyway, we say it throughout the day at other times but I haven't had to stand on my head yet. Thanks again!!!! Michelle =============================================================================== Sent: August 26, 2003 10:51 AM Subject: I'd like to here Henry's experience From: Henry, I'd like to hear more about your experience. Just a little about my experience: I started memorizing Scripture about 12 years through the encouraging example of my wife and have since memorized numerous passages the main ones being the Sermon on the Mount, Romans 6-8, Proverbs 1-9, and Ecclesiastes. I'm currently working on the book of Acts (I'm on chapter 4). I struggled until June of 2002 with retaining Scripture in long term memory. I would memorize a chapter word perfect and then move on to the next chapter. Unfortunately, after a month or so I'd return to that first chapter only to find my memory had grown quite rusty. Now I've discovered the existence of flashcard software which has helped tremendously. You can find a fairly extensive use of such software at http://webs.ono.com/usr032/learners/flash.htm. Personally, I use Supermemo and am quite pleased with it though I must warn you that it comes with a learning curve. There are also several programs out there geared solely to Scripture; e.g., Stephen's application. In Christ, David Baldwin -----Original Message----- From: Henry Digby [mailto:hadigbyworldnet.att.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:47 PM To: biblememmemoryverses.org Subject: Re: Biblemem discussion list To everyone, It has been a wonderful experience for me to see the interest in memorizing as reflected in the activity on this email site. I have memorized on and off most of my life but, about February or so of the year 2000, the Lord challenged me to do it permanently on a long term basis and so I determined to do exactly that. It has been one of the most wonderful experiences of my life! I don't have a lot of time right at this moment to go into detail about how I go about it. However, if there is some interest among you all in knowing a little about my experience, I would be glad to share it sometime. The Lord was pretty specific with me about how to go about doing it. He even gave me some rules to use as guidelines--rules that were designed to make it an encouraging activity and not discouraging for me. And a long time ago He also warned me not to expect an overnight miracle. The Lord mentioned to me the fact that I had spent many years allowing my mind to get into a very undisciplined state and He told me that it would also take some time to undo all that. When I started in early Spring of 2000, it really wasn't until I had been consistent in memorization for probably 6 months or so that I began to be aware of the fact that a dramatic change was taking place in my thinking habits and my outlook on life. Whereas I used to be very negative years ago, the Lord has used the Scripture I have hidden in my heart to give me a very positive outlook on life. By the grace of God, I have now memorized or reviewed (since February of 2000) Colossians 3, Psalms 1, 19, 23, 24, 27, 34, 37, 91, 100, 103, and 121, Romans 5 through 8, the entire book of Ephesians (that was the first book I ever memorized in my life!), the entire book of James, and the entire book of I John. I also memorized, in Spanish (I'm bilingual), the entire book of II Peter and the entire book of I John. In addition, I memorized Psalm 119 in Spanish. I memorized Psalm 119 because I decided that, if I were able to memorize that one, the psychological boost (since it's the longest chapter in the Bible) would make any other chapter in the Bible seem easy by comparison! Psalm 119 took me from about February of 2002 to about February of 2003! Right now, I'm working my way through Hebrews in Spanish (I'm on chapter 3). I do NOT have a fantastic memory. What I do have is a deep hunger and love for God and His Word and I am also persistent--I do not easily give up! Anybody--ANYBODY can do this. It's a lot of work, but it's very, very rewarding. For me, it is also a symbol of how badly I want the Lord in my life and how desperately I feel a need for Him! I feel that my love for Him has tremendously increased since I started doing this. Truly God rewards those who truly seek Him. You will get as much of God in your life as you really desire when you manifest that desire by seeking Him. He may delay at first, in order to prove whether you really mean business or not. But in the end, He will be your rich Reward. It's worth it all! God bless you all! Henry A. Digby =============================================================================== Sent: August 26, 2003 10:52 AM Subject: RE: Biblemem discussion list From: Robert Harris Hi Glenda, Thanks for your advice and words of encouragement - it really helps to see which methods other people are finding helpful. I've completed my research into the various mnemonic techniques out there and have come up with a method which is a combination of the more popular ones - whether it works or not is anybodies guess but I'm going to give it a try and find out. >From what I've found out our memory seems to be based on associations - i.e. I remember something new by linking it to something I already know and when I want to recall that new thing I remember it by first remembering the association. In a way, the association or link between two things acts like a trigger enabling us to recall the memory. This also happens to explain why experiencing a random smell or sound etc. instantly brings back detailed memories from our past - the smell or sound was strongly associated with those memories at the time they were first formed. We also find it much easier to remember things that are extremely strange/funny/bizarre/unusual - such as pink elephants - and unlike most aspects of our mind (movement, problem solving, creativity, etc.) which seem to be controlled by specific parts of the brain, memory seems to involve all areas of the brain - and as such we remember things better if what we're trying to remember involves all these areas (i.e. imagine a scene (sight) involving an action (movement) generating a sound and a smell). Our brains also seem to be really good at remembering sequences of associations (one memory triggering another memory which itself triggers another memory etc). For example, if I were to ask you how to get to work you'd probably start off by remembering your home, then getting into your car, then the first road you turn onto, then the pub you take a left at, etc, etc. People who remember whole packs of cards usually do so by associating each card with places they pass on the way to work (so to remember a whole pack you need to pass 52 places on the way to work!). So that takes care of remembering the actual text of a verse. All I need to do is pick out a few key words to act as triggers and create a bizarre/story scene out of these words - I don't need to worry too much about remembering the verse word for word as my brain will do this automatically. But how to I remember the reference (i.e. 2 Timothy 2:15)? Well, there's a very well established method for turning numbers into words called the Major System (see http://www.mindtools.com/pages/article/newTIM_07.htm). Basically this system works by replacing each occurrence of the numbers 0 - 9 with a sound and then forming words from these sounds. For example the number 5 is represented by the sound l (as in light) so the number 55 would be represented by two l sounds. Think of a word containing two l sounds (vowel sounds can be ignored) and you might come up with lilo. So the number 55 can be represented by a bright yellow lilo etc. It takes a bit of getting use to at first but soon becomes very easy (and quite fun). A real example: This is how I will try to remember the whole bible.... Let's say I want to remember the following verse (one of my favorites): 2 Timothy 2:15 "Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved; a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth." (NIV) 2 Timothy is the 55th book in the bible so I need to memorise the numbers 55:2:15. Using the Major System these numbers can be represented by the words lilo:noah:tail. Imagine: A bright yellow lilo floats peacefully on a wide blue ocean. Balancing very badly on top of this lilo is Noah (probably prefers arks!). Part of his problem with balancing is simply that he's an old man trying to stand up on a somewhat over inflated yellow lilo, but the rest of the problem is down to the bizarre fact that he has a huge brown bushy tail protruding from his backside! That's the reference memorized, now the verse itself... I'd choose several key words/groups of words from the passage and turn them into a story involving the scene I used to memorise the reference: "present yourself to God" "approved" "does not need to be ashamed" "handles the word of truth" Imagine: All of a sudden the sky darkens and the once calm sea becomes rough! A bright light can be seen in the distance, so bright in fact that it seems light up most of the sky. Noah studies this light for a moment before recognising it as God standing on the sea shore. By thought alone Noah commands the lilo to move towards God. As the lilo picks up speed Noah looks down at his hands and studies the small wooden object he's holding. It's a very detailed wooden calving of himself with the word APPROVED followed by (does not need to be ashamed) engraved in its back. The small wooden hands appear to be holding something. It's a very small paper scroll. Noah takes the scroll and opens it up - it reads "the word of truth". As you can see, it takes a bit of time and effort to think up the stories (essentially one for each verse you want to remember) but once done it is then possible to recall the verse from the reference or the reference from the verse extremely quickly. And the best thing of all: you only have to go through this process once (and perhaps review it once a year or so) to be able to memorise the verse - which of course saves a lot of time! I'll keep the board in formed on how I get on (and if this method works). I'd love to hear and comments/suggested improvements to this method if anyone has them - I like the idea of having an accountability partner for example. Good luck and God Bless, Rob God Bless, Rob -----Original Message----- From: Glenda Poulter [mailto:imtogferyahoo.com] Sent: 20 August 2003 19:56 To: biblememmemoryverses.org Subject: RE: Biblemem discussion list Rob! What an awesome goal, to memorize the entire Bible! Right now, I'm still learning verses and blocks of verses rather than entire chapters and/or books. The system I use is a series of index cards with the reference written on one side and the verse(s) I'm working on on the opposite side. I always say the reference before and after the verse and I always practice/review the verses I'm working on aloud. I have an accountability partner whom I meet with once a week (okay, we didn't during the summer, but we're starting up again in the next few weeks) and she prompts me with the reference and sometimes the start of a verse. That way I can hear a verse and know the reference or vice versa. Hope some of this helps. Good luck and godspeed in meeting your goal. Glenda =============================================================================== Sent: August 26, 2003 10:52 AM Subject: RE: Biblemem discussion list From: Robert Harris Hi Stephen, I've found the following website very useful - it details several popular techniques for improving your memory (and from my simple experiments they all work very well): http://www.mindtools.com/pages/main/newMN_TIM.htm I'm designing a system specifically for remembering scripture that is a combination of several of the methods described in the above link. Whether is works or not only time will tell but I keep the board informed of my progress! God Bless Rob -----Original Message----- From: Stephen McIntosh [mailto:sgmcisurfbest.net] Sent: 20 August 2003 19:47 To: biblememmemoryverses.org Subject: RE: Biblemem discussion list Stephen, Glad you sent the message, centers the focus again. I face the age old problem of finding time to memorize. Any hints on overcoming that hurdle? (I know I have to just make time for matters that are eternally pressing.) The other problem is having survived a severe closed head injury 10 years ago, God kept me alive for a reason, I don't see what yet. Is there a public resource for efrfective memorization? By His matchless grace, Stephen McIntosh -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Simpson [mailto:ssimpsonelmcomputers.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 11:45 AM To: biblememmemoryverses.org Subject: Biblemem discussion list Greetings to all, There has been no activity on the list for such a long time I thought that I would see if I can start up a discussion. How's everybody doing? What are you memorizing? Any success stories? Anyone need encouragement? Stephen Simpson List Moderator =============================================================================== Sent: August 26, 2003 10:52 AM Subject: RE: Biblemem discussion list From: Daniel Andersson Hi David and everyone at the discussion list! I wonder, David Huff, if you have any good tip about memorizing the Sermon on the Mount. I'd like to do that. Maybe there's someone out there who wants to coach me in memorizing. You're welcome to. Blessings! Daniel from Sweden. >From: "David Huff" >Reply-To: biblememmemoryverses.org >To: biblememmemoryverses.org >Subject: RE: Biblemem discussion list >Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:41:32 -0500 > >Stephen - I've had some really exciting progress over the last few >months memorizing the Sermon on the Mount. I've completed Matthew 5, >and Matthew 6, and am now working on Matthew 7. I carry a little >Gideon New Testatment >in my car, and work on verses while I'm stopped at traffic lights, etc. >It's amazing how those spare seconds and minutes add up. And, as funny >as this may sound, I use my morning shower and shave time as my main >"block" of review time. Beats just looking in the mirror with a blank >stare :-) > >David H. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Stephen Simpson [mailto:ssimpsonelmcomputers.com] >Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 11:45 AM >To: biblememmemoryverses.org >Subject: Biblemem discussion list > > >Greetings to all, > > >There has been no activity on the list for such a long time I thought >that I would see if I can start up a discussion. > > >How's everybody doing? > >What are you memorizing? > >Any success stories? > >Anyone need encouragement? > >Stephen Simpson >List Moderator > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail =============================================================================== Sent: August 26, 2003 10:51 AM Subject: RE: Biblemem discussion list From: Does anybody have any experiences/information/ideas to share regarding combining Scripture memory with other spiritual disciplines? Certainly it can be a wonderful experience praying over Scripture one has memorized. For me of particular interest would be thoughts regarding periods of fasting while praying and meditating on Scripture. =============================================================================== Sent: August 26, 2003 10:51 AM Subject: Re: Biblemem discussion list From: Glenda Poulter What a wonderful idea! Thank you so much! I don't own a walkman right now, but I plan on buying one, soon now! I will record myself quoting the Scriptures I'm working on and listen to them. Not only a good way to continue to memorize, but also motivational! Bless you for sharing! Glenda SongsofGraceaol.com wrote: to the gal that is training for a marathon.. great time to listen to your own voice reading scriptures that you want to memorize. it has been demonstrated that we remember more if it is heard in our own voices katie In God's love, Glenda =============================================================================== Sent: August 27, 2003 12:45 PM Subject: Re: Biblemem discussion list From: Sharon McKay For the first time this year I spent a whole weekend fasting and devoted my time to reading scripture, memorizing, and prayer. It is amazing how much more acute all other senses become when one function is deprived. I also received more revelation regarding God's Word and His Will for my life during that time of fasting - I had no idea that that would happen so clearly. I ideally would like to fast for 24 hours at least once per month. Often I will work on a theme - forgiveness, properity, God's promises (whatever God has laid on my heart at the time). I will search through scripture on those topics, pray those verses, and memorize verses that have especially had an impact on me. God reveals so much when we seek Him through His Word. From the time that I started doing this, I have seen such a change in my spiritual growth. I often think of Jesus when he was in the wilderness fasting. He stated that man cannot live on bread alone but on God's word. Jesus' example is always the best example to follow if we want to overcome the challenges we face, be equipped for the ministry to which God is calling us, etc. This has been an awesome experience for me. Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 10:51 AM Subject: RE: Biblemem discussion list > Does anybody have any experiences/information/ideas to share regarding > combining Scripture memory with other spiritual disciplines? > Certainly it can be a wonderful experience praying over Scripture one > has memorized. For me of particular interest would be thoughts > regarding periods of fasting while praying and meditating on > Scripture. > > > > > =============================================================================== Sent: August 27, 2003 12:45 PM Subject: RE: Biblemem discussion list From: Huff, David Great to hear from you, Daniel. In fact, I just completed the Sermon on the Mount, and am now working on the book of James! As far as tips, I can only share what has worked well for me, and am happy to do so. I try to work on a new verse each day -- some days, I'd be "stuck" on the same verse, other days I'd get two or even three learned -- just depending on my schedule, etc. What helped me the most was the daily review, which I'd do (and still do) in the morning, while going through the routine of getting ready for the day. Also, as you begin to learn this passage, you'll gain a new appreciation for the logic and outline that Jesus used as He taught (Chapter 5, with His various references to the Law, Chapter 6, where He teaches about our heart attitude toward prayer, fasting, giving, etc., and Chapter 7, about the importance of spiritual fruit and obedience in our lives). The pattern and repetition of principles was a great help to me in learning this passage. Ask the Lord to help you with consistency, since He's already given you the desire to memorize. I truly believe consistency is the key! Finally, let me recommend a great book on the subject: "His Word In My Heart", by Janet Pope (published by Moody). I've recently become acquainted with Janet, and hope to have her speak at our church soon. She has memorized over ninety chapters of Scripture, and has a very powerful and practical testimony. God Bless, David -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Andersson [mailto:snaredrrrumhotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 10:52 AM To: biblememmemoryverses.org Subject: RE: Biblemem discussion list Hi David and everyone at the discussion list! I wonder, David Huff, if you have any good tip about memorizing the Sermon on the Mount. I'd like to do that. Maybe there's someone out there who wants to coach me in memorizing. You're welcome to. Blessings! Daniel from Sweden. >From: "David Huff" >Reply-To: biblememmemoryverses.org >To: biblememmemoryverses.org >Subject: RE: Biblemem discussion list >Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:41:32 -0500 > >Stephen - I've had some really exciting progress over the last few >months memorizing the Sermon on the Mount. I've completed Matthew 5, >and Matthew 6, and am now working on Matthew 7. I carry a little >Gideon New Testatment >in my car, and work on verses while I'm stopped at traffic lights, etc. >It's amazing how those spare seconds and minutes add up. And, as funny >as this may sound, I use my morning shower and shave time as my main >"block" of review time. Beats just looking in the mirror with a blank >stare :-) > >David H. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Stephen Simpson [mailto:ssimpsonelmcomputers.com] >Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 11:45 AM >To: biblememmemoryverses.org >Subject: Biblemem discussion list > > >Greetings to all, > > >There has been no activity on the list for such a long time I thought >that I would see if I can start up a discussion. > > >How's everybody doing? > >What are you memorizing? > >Any success stories? > >Anyone need encouragement? > >Stephen Simpson >List Moderator > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail =============================================================================== Sent: August 28, 2003 1:23 PM Subject: getting started memorizing scripture From: Stephanie Hi everyone, This is Stephanie from Australia, and I'm just getting started in this whole memorizing scripture thing. I'd tried before with not much luck... I'd like to know if anyone has some ideas of good passages to start learning, and maybe how to go about it. I'm a musician, a singer and pianist, and compose, so I'll probably set verses to music. Thanks for any help. Steph =============================================================================== Sent: August 28, 2003 10:34 AM Subject: Ideas for a 11 yr. old From: Lucille Hello to everyone, My name is Lucille and this is my first time here. I am needing some ideas of helping a 11 year old mem. scriptures. We have been putting it off for a while but we are ready to get started. Does anyone know of any game or method to use? What about scriptures to start with? He is a smart child but has ADD, so need some type of method he can stay with. Thanks for any suggestions! =============================================================================== Sent: August 28, 2003 10:34 AM Subject: RE: Biblemem discussion list From: Lau, Victor Rob, Good to hear the sharing. I have just started very similar scheme on my own a few months ago and already I am seeing huge improvement compared my previous experience in SM. So really good to hear someone out there having similar pursuit. I have found that combining the Major system with Supermemo (http://www.super-memo.com/supforpalpil.html) on my Palm really helps. Cheers, Victor -----Original Message----- From: Robert Harris [mailto:rob.harrisi-solutionsglobal.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 10:52 PM To: biblememmemoryverses.org Subject: RE: Biblemem discussion list Hi Glenda, Thanks for your advice and words of encouragement - it really helps to see which methods other people are finding helpful. I've completed my research into the various mnemonic techniques out there and have come up with a method which is a combination of the more popular ones - whether it works or not is anybodies guess but I'm going to give it a try and find out. >From what I've found out our memory seems to be based on associations - i.e. I remember something new by linking it to something I already know and when I want to recall that new thing I remember it by first remembering the association. In a way, the association or link between two things acts like a trigger enabling us to recall the memory. This also happens to explain why experiencing a random smell or sound etc. instantly brings back detailed memories from our past - the smell or sound was strongly associated with those memories at the time they were first formed. We also find it much easier to remember things that are extremely strange/funny/bizarre/unusual - such as pink elephants - and unlike most aspects of our mind (movement, problem solving, creativity, etc.) which seem to be controlled by specific parts of the brain, memory seems to involve all areas of the brain - and as such we remember things better if what we're trying to remember involves all these areas (i.e. imagine a scene (sight) involving an action (movement) generating a sound and a smell). Our brains also seem to be really good at remembering sequences of associations (one memory triggering another memory which itself triggers another memory etc). For example, if I were to ask you how to get to work you'd probably start off by remembering your home, then getting into your car, then the first road you turn onto, then the pub you take a left at, etc, etc. People who remember whole packs of cards usually do so by associating each card with places they pass on the way to work (so to remember a whole pack you need to pass 52 places on the way to work!). So that takes care of remembering the actual text of a verse. All I need to do is pick out a few key words to act as triggers and create a bizarre/story scene out of these words - I don't need to worry too much about remembering the verse word for word as my brain will do this automatically. But how to I remember the reference (i.e. 2 Timothy 2:15)? Well, there's a very well established method for turning numbers into words called the Major System (see http://www.mindtools.com/pages/article/newTIM_07.htm). Basically this system works by replacing each occurrence of the numbers 0 - 9 with a sound and then forming words from these sounds. For example the number 5 is represented by the sound l (as in light) so the number 55 would be represented by two l sounds. Think of a word containing two l sounds (vowel sounds can be ignored) and you might come up with lilo. So the number 55 can be represented by a bright yellow lilo etc. It takes a bit of getting use to at first but soon becomes very easy (and quite fun). A real example: This is how I will try to remember the whole bible.... Let's say I want to remember the following verse (one of my favorites): 2 Timothy 2:15 "Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved; a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth." (NIV) 2 Timothy is the 55th book in the bible so I need to memorise the numbers 55:2:15. Using the Major System these numbers can be represented by the words lilo:noah:tail. Imagine: A bright yellow lilo floats peacefully on a wide blue ocean. Balancing very badly on top of this lilo is Noah (probably prefers arks!). Part of his problem with balancing is simply that he's an old man trying to stand up on a somewhat over inflated yellow lilo, but the rest of the problem is down to the bizarre fact that he has a huge brown bushy tail protruding from his backside! That's the reference memorized, now the verse itself... I'd choose several key words/groups of words from the passage and turn them into a story involving the scene I used to memorise the reference: "present yourself to God" "approved" "does not need to be ashamed" "handles the word of truth" Imagine: All of a sudden the sky darkens and the once calm sea becomes rough! A bright light can be seen in the distance, so bright in fact that it seems light up most of the sky. Noah studies this light for a moment before recognising it as God standing on the sea shore. By thought alone Noah commands the lilo to move towards God. As the lilo picks up speed Noah looks down at his hands and studies the small wooden object he's holding. It's a very detailed wooden calving of himself with the word APPROVED followed by (does not need to be ashamed) engraved in its back. The small wooden hands appear to be holding something. It's a very small paper scroll. Noah takes the scroll and opens it up - it reads "the word of truth". As you can see, it takes a bit of time and effort to think up the stories (essentially one for each verse you want to remember) but once done it is then possible to recall the verse from the reference or the reference from the verse extremely quickly. And the best thing of all: you only have to go through this process once (and perhaps review it once a year or so) to be able to memorise the verse - which of course saves a lot of time! I'll keep the board in formed on how I get on (and if this method works). I'd love to hear and comments/suggested improvements to this method if anyone has them - I like the idea of having an accountability partner for example. Good luck and God Bless, Rob God Bless, Rob -----Original Message----- From: Glenda Poulter [mailto:imtogferyahoo.com] Sent: 20 August 2003 19:56 To: biblememmemoryverses.org Subject: RE: Biblemem discussion list Rob! What an awesome goal, to memorize the entire Bible! Right now, I'm still learning verses and blocks of verses rather than entire chapters and/or books. The system I use is a series of index cards with the reference written on one side and the verse(s) I'm working on on the opposite side. I always say the reference before and after the verse and I always practice/review the verses I'm working on aloud. I have an accountability partner whom I meet with once a week (okay, we didn't during the summer, but we're starting up again in the next few weeks) and she prompts me with the reference and sometimes the start of a verse. That way I can hear a verse and know the reference or vice versa. Hope some of this helps. Good luck and godspeed in meeting your goal. Glenda =============================================================================== Sent: August 28, 2003 10:34 AM Subject: RE: Biblemem discussion list From: Drake Mariani My review is absolutely easier, sharper, and more deeply meditative during my extended fasts (3+ days) than otherwise. At 8/26/2003 07:51 AM, you wrote: >Does anybody have any experiences/information/ideas to share regarding >combining Scripture memory with other spiritual disciplines? Certainly >it can be a wonderful experience praying over Scripture one has >memorized. For me of particular interest would be thoughts regarding >periods of fasting while praying and meditating on Scripture. 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My verses are all on 3 by 5 index cards, and I have a box made to hold many of these, with dividers for all the months of the year, and dividers for two months worth of days (1 - 31). When I review a verse, depending on how well I know it, I put it behind the next date that I would like to review it. When I know a verse well enough to only have to review it once a week, I put a little W in the upper left-hand corner of the card and after reviewing it, place it behind the date one week later. The least frequently I review verses is every two months, the ones I know really well, and I have "M2" written on those cards. This may sound complicated, but in truth, it is a very simple system that allows me to not have to review every single verse each day. Barb =============================================================================== Sent: August 29, 2003 10:12 AM Subject: Re: getting started memorizing scripture From: Eileen S. Hello! I just joined the list. What I had found useful was a class by Moody Bible Institute (800-356-6639) at www.moody.edu called Memorize the Word. Their "distance learning" courses are relatively inexpensive (around $30-40) and it has a lot of what a person needs - they give you a study book, supply you with the verses to memorize, and you take tests about the verses and in what situations would this or that particular verse be applicable or useful - I recommend it. My problem was that I ended up with a lot of verses, and then reviewing them gets to be a bit difficult - I had at least 80-100 verses. And eventually I got busy with other things, and ended up letting the memorization slide (this was after I had done the class). I still think the class is good and might even re-take it, just to get the accountability. What I would like to know is, what's the most individual verses with references that anyone has memorized, and what method did you use to keep track of the verses when you had more than 70 to 80 (and this would be without using a computer to keep track of them) Stephanie wrote: Hi everyone, This is Stephanie from Australia, and I'm just getting started in this whole memorizing scripture thing. I'd tried before with not much luck... I'd like to know if anyone has some ideas of good passages to start learning, and maybe how to go about it. I'm a musician, a singer and pianist, and compose, so I'll probably set verses to music. Thanks for any help. Steph --Eileen dustbearyahoo.com =============================================================================== Sent: August 29, 2003 10:12 AM Subject: Re: getting started memorizing scripture From: Terry Vogelaar There is probably no better way to memorize than to compose scripture songs. You'll probably be able to quote the text before the song is finished. But since it is probably time-consuming, you will not be able to get an overall idea of longer passages. You can compensate that by using this technique: I use an audio-bible (you can also read the texts aloud yourself; you probably have a nicer voice than me) and I divide the texts into sessions of about 15 minutes. Then I mix these sessions with some slow music with an obvious rhythm but without drums (so the largo's and andante's of instrumental baroque are usually great for this purpose). I listen to these sessions using a scheme with more frequent repetitions for each session when just starting, and when a session becomes more familiar I listen to it less frequent. This way you will not be able to recall the whole text literally, but it is so helpful. It sure got me started and I still use this technique. Memorization is so easy when you heard a text several times this way... Terry Stephanie heeft op donderdag, 28 aug 2003 om 19:22 (Europe/Amsterdam) het volgende geschreven: > Hi everyone, > This is Stephanie from Australia, and I'm just getting started in this > whole memorizing scripture thing. I'd tried before with not much > luck... I'd like to know if anyone has some ideas of good passages to > start learning, and maybe how to go about it. I'm a musician, a singer > and pianist, and compose, so I'll probably set verses to music. > Thanks for any help. > Steph =============================================================================== Sent: August 29, 2003 10:12 AM Subject: Re: Ideas for a 11 yr. old From: Noel I don't know if this helps or not, but the way I first learned was this: In sunday school, the teacher broke down the verse in individual words, (today I use phrases) and then we all would go over the verse piece by piece. Nowadays, this is how I memorize all the verses I've learned. I handwrite out the verse. It helps to handwrite it out than using a typewriter, because you remember it better, at least I do. I leave adequate spaces so that when I'm done I can cut it out making it as big as I want. Then I read it over in the bible. Then I lay out all the pieces and put it together like a puzzle. The first few times, I "cheat" and look it up in the Bible, after awhile, I can put it all together without looking. Doing this a few times a day and the verse is memorized. When I close my eyes I can see the verses in my head while putting it together. Hope this helps! Noel ===============================================================================