I'm reposting this in case there was something wrong with the list in late
October. --Ted

On 27 Oct 2002 20:52, Dino wrote:
From: Dino 
> Hi TEd,
>
> I am in Germany - I am not a computer-geek.
>
> But I would like to find a system which helps me in memorizing verses
> and long passages.
>
> the problem is with all the programs you can purchase:
> How do I know whether I will be able to handle them?
>
> So I am looking for something simple to use -
> could you help me  - give me some hints please?
>
> GOD Bless you
>
> yours
>
> in Christ
>
> <><
>
> Dino


Dino,

I am also not an expert in this, but might have some suggestions that

can help.  These are my personal ideas, so you'll probably also want to look at
what others are doing that helps them.  After reading articles about how memory
works, and looking at others' suggestions, I've come up with my own system for
memorizing scripture, and am calling it EZ-Memory-Verse.  It can be used
manually (with index card

flashcards, paper, etc) or with your favorite computerized review system
(SuperMemo, etc).  There are lots of ideas about the best way to memorize
scripture, and the EZ-Memory-Verse is is a compilation of

the best of them in my opinion.

If one can define what's most important to a memory verse system, then you can
evaluate various system according to that metric of acceptability.  I think the
two most important items in a memory verse system are:
1) Individual item elements that you memorize.
2) A good review schedule.

The EZ-Memory-Verse system is a system for #1, as it stresses What to

memorize, namely:
**In the following sentences, "VERSE" should actually be interpreted as a list
of verses appearing together in a short paragraph.  As every VERSE has multiple
important elements, you should quiz yourself

independently on each of them.
a) The VERSE Reference should trigger the Start Of The VERSE in your head.
b) The Start Of The VERSE should trigger the VERSE Reference in your head.
c) The Start Of The VERSE should trigger a Note/Topic in your head.
d) The Reference + Start Of The VERSE should trigger the 2nd Part of the VERSE
in your head.
e) If the VERSE still has parts, then the 2nd Part of the VERSE should trigger
the 3rd Part of the VERSE in your head, and so-on, until you've quizzed yourself
on all the part of the VERSE.

You can read more about my system by downloading it at
http://ire.org/~ted/ez-memory-verse.zip
See ch1.doc in the Psalms and John folders to see the types of flashcards to
create.

The most critical/difficult part of memorizing verses is the first part, which
is what items a, b, and c concentrate on.  Knowing the verse references will
help you easily remember verses when you later are given just the reference, and
associating a note/topic with the VERSE will help you remember the verse when
hearing the note/topic later.  The Navigators memory system also stresses verse
references and a note/topic.  Actually, to remember all the verses associated
with a topic as effectively as possible, you need to make a special effort to
learn that... ie, the EZ-Memory-Verse system will help you to remember "Trinity"
when you hear any VERSE reference associated with "Trinity".  However, it won't
help you to perfectly recall all of them at once; for that, you should also
study a complete list of verses that deal with the Trinity.  This is how Jack
Van Impe studies.

Another key component of the system is "chaining", as one VERSE section will jog
your memory for the next section.  The language of the New Testament lends
itself to chaining more than the Old Testament.  You'll see how effective
chaining is when you try it.

The next most important part to a memory verse system is review.  Any

computerized review system will be have some advantages over plain old
index/flashcards.  My favorite is SuperMemo, but others are available and have
been mentioned on this list.

I hope this helps you some.

In Christ,
Ted

I am the failed scripture memory poster child. My memory is just fine, and I can
memorize on a regular basis. But it is, for the most part, not really helping
me.

My intent: I desire is to weave the word of God into the very fabric of my life
to permeate my being. To have his word penetrate the darkest corners of my mind,
illuminating the secret places: healing, revealing, confronting, and forgiving.

I think that memorizing and meditating on scripture would help with this
intention.

The problem is the verses are memorized in a vacuum. The techniques are all
fine, but once you know the verses they are not memorized in such a way that
they are useful (in my experience).

Perhaps a topical system would be of value? Though I memorized the Navigators
Topical System and found the verses in that same useless vacuum. The verses were
not practical and useful in day-to-day experience.

I am having trouble articulating the problem, but I perhaps some of you have
found your long lists of memorized verses somewhat impractical. Any insights
would be appreciated. I thank you :)

Fitzwilliam

Re:Katie's idea:  "How about using the verse numbers like hopscotch?  and
reciting verses to progress on the "gameboard"  this could be done with flash
cards on the
ground or taped to various set locations in a house..   "

This is a AWESOME idea!! Thanks! It will be fun for the kids too. If you have
any more ideas like that please pass them my way :)

take care
Beth

On 25 Oct 2002 12:28, David Baldwin wrote:
From: David Baldwin 
> First a reply to Ted - I never thought I'd find a fellow computer geek
> using SuperMemo to memorize lots of Scripture!  What fun! I'd
> certainly like to see your
Perl
> program and Word
> template.



I've come up with my own system for memorizing scripture, and am calling it
EZ-Memory-Verse.  It can be used manually (with index card flashcards, paper,
etc) or with your favorite computerized review system (SuperMemo, etc).  There
are lots of ideas floating around about the best way to memorize scripture, and
the EZ-Memory-Verse is is a compilation of the best of them in my opinion.
Appended is the intro file that comes with the system.  I'm submitting it here
to get people's comments.  A Perl program (to use it with SuperMemo) and Word
template are available at: http://ire.org/~ted/ez-memory-verse.zip

EZ-Memory-Verse
Last modified: Fri Oct 25 12:55:14 CDT 2002
http://ire.org/~ted/ez-memory-verse.zip

This file explains how and why the EZ-Memory-Verse system works. It contains my
personal opinions and bias and is a work in progress. I'll be happy if it helps
others besides myself, so I'm releasing It into the public domain.

This system can be used with whatever review system that you like,
computer-based or manual.  For a working example of how to structure the verses
to memorize, please see ch1.doc in the John and Psalms folders (in the
ez-memory-verse.zip file).  See out.txt and ch1.doc in the John folder to see
the flashcards used in the EZ-Memory-Verse system.  To use EZ-Memory-Verse with
SuperMemo, read the Readme- 1st.txt file included in ez-memory-verse.zip.

Our memory is associative, and memorization is most effective if you associate
new information with already-learned information. EZ-Memory-Verse does just
that.  New verses are split-up into manageable "chunks", which build on
knowledge that you already have memorized. Learning new scripture verses is fun
and exciting with EZ-Memory-Verse, as you find yourself actually memorizing and
retaining verses more easily than ever before. Traditionally, whenever you
memorized scripture, you probably found yourself naturally splitting the verse
up into parts.  You'd memorize the first part of a verse, then the next part,
then the last.  This was an effective method to memorize scripture, to a point.
It enabled you to quickly memorize a verse, as you "associated" each succeeding
verse-part with the last verse-part.  However, once a verse was learned, you
probably resorted to reviewing the verse in it's entirety… after all, you "know"
the verse, right? How many verses have you forgotten using this method? The
traditional learning method, as described, is effective in memorizing new
scripture, but its main drawback is that you are more likely to forget
scriptures that you've learned.  The key to retaining knowledge is frequent
repetition and review of what you have learned.  This is where EZ-Memory-Verse
works best. EZ-Memory-Verse helps you to review in manageable "chunks", and has
these advantages:

1)  It's easy to use.  You learn new verses the same way as before, a
piece-at-a-time.

2)  It's fast.  Because of how it's structured, you can spend your time learning
the verse, and not applying your own memorization tricks or methods to each new
verse.

3)  It stresses verse "chunks", sections of verses.  By relating and associating
verse chunks to each other, you build a framework with which to effectively
learn.  A key point is that the chunks are "related" to each other.  By using
one chunk to jog your memory for another chunk, you stress thei

4)  The "chunking" method also helps during review time.  You quickly find your
weak points that you need to work on.  Review is critical to retaining your
knowledge.  Having a pack of "chunked" memory verses at your disposal makes
review time much easier.

5)  It's thorough.  If a particular verse has five components, then EZ- Memory
will test you on all five.

6)  It's convenient.  You can review the 3"x5" index cards whenever you have a
spare moment of free time.

7)  It's flexible.  Learn new verses at your own pace.

References on how to memorize large portions of scripture:

1.  http://www.fbcdurham.org/writings/Scripmem.htm
EZ-Memory-Verse uses verse references, and the "first part" of the verse, as
place-holders to jog your memory.  www.fbcdurham.org says:

"Memorizing the verse numbers: An important note is that it is well- worth the
extra effort to  memorize the verse numbers as if they were part of each verse.
This will help prevent you from dropping out verses or even whole paragraphs
when you're reciting the book all the way through. It will also help you in
being able to pick individual verses out to quote to someone for ministry or
evangelistic purposes. Finally, it will help you to be able to recall the verses
as you are reading Christian books that cite them you won't have to look them
up! Ephesians 1:1-3's verse numbers would be said like this: "One-one. Paul, an
apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, to the saints in Ephesus, the
faithful in Christ Jesus; One-two Grace and peace to you from God our Father and
the Lord Jesus Christ. One-three Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord
Jesus Christ…" etc.

Longer verse numbers are no different Ephesians 6:11 would be "Six- eleven. Put
on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's
schemes."

Acts 27:25-26 would be "Twenty-seven twenty-five. So keep up your courage, men,
for I have faith in God that it will happen just as he told me. Twenty-seven
twenty-six.,  Nevertheless, we must run aground on some island." DON'T SHORT-CUT
THIS DISCIPLINE!! It actually makes memorization easier in the long run!"

2.  http://www.memoryverses.org/how1f.htm
http://www.memoryverses.org/tricks.htm

This stresses using "keys" as place-holders in your memory.  "keys" are the
words at the start of each logical "paragraph" in the chapter.

"Decide what you want to do with the scripture reference. The scripture
reference is not inspired and you do not have to memorize it if you do not want
to. Some people can memorize the text, but get discouraged by the references.  I
think, however, it is important to know where in the Bible the passage is, so
memorize at least the book and chapter along with the verse text."

To jog your memory whenever you are presented with a verse reference,
EZ-Memory-Verse asks you for the "first part" of the verse (or paragraph,
depending on your preference), which acts as a "key" to help you remember the
reference (for the verse or for the paragraph). EZ-Memory-Verse quizzes you on
both the reference and the "first part".  Also serving as a "key", you may
supply a "Note" for any verse or paragraph, which will aid your memory.  This is
stressed in the Navigators' Topical Memory System, which calls it a "Topic".

3.  http://home.att.net/~sovereigngrace/memorize.html

"6. Use forward Chain: Memorize the first segment. Then memorize the second
segment. Then recite the first and second segments together. Then add the third
and so on.

7. Try "Reverse Chain" (Pairs or groups): One person reads the entire verse over
and over again. The listener(s) jump in and finish the verse whenever they are
able. They are progressively able to jump in sooner and sooner until they can
recite the verse from beginning to end."

EZ-Memory-Verse uses chaining to help your memory.  This is also encouraged at
this site: http://www.supermemo.com/articles/20rules.htm
Read the section about how to memorize "A poem that is hard to remember".

Jeanne Yue's Scripture Memorization page,
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/9764/memory.htm, says: "It is more difficult to
memorize Psalms, Proverb, and any passages in poetic forms than to memorize
letters. Although the poems usually are parallel in every two sentences, they
may not have a strong relationship or logic between the pairs of the sentences."

When memorizing large portions of scripture, Jeanne Yue recommends the student
to accumulate the "next" verse day after day, to build a "paragraph".  Since
there is a strong relationship between sentences in the New Testament letters,
this can be used to aid memorization and retention.  http://www.memoryverses.org
also recommends learning by paragraph, but doesn't stress learning verse
numbers.  It might be easier to learn passages without the verse numbers, but
this will leave holes in your knowledge.  The Navigators' Topical Memory System,
a popular scripture memorization system, also recommends learning the verse
reference.  To memorize large passages of scripture, EZ-Memory-Verse stresses
memorizing both "paragraphs" (where verses are accumulated) and verse
references.  There is no reason why you can't do both, and have the best of both
worlds.  Treating a series of verses as a paragraph aids memorization, and
memorizing verse references is necessary when you need to know individual
verses.

To make it easier to learn a chapter paragraph by paragraph, EZ- Memory-Verse
index cards are arranged in numerical order.  The  student is encouraged to
memorize the verses in their numerical order, and you should practice reciting a
chapter or book from start to finish. Poetic books of the Bible are best
memorized verse-by-verse.  Either way (verse-by-verse or
paragraph-by-paragraph), EZ-Memory-Verse chapter index cards are arranged in
numerical order and should be memorized in that order.

Since EZ-Memory-Verse has you learn the verse references, you should also
practice scrambling the index cards and reciting the verses. Learning the verse
references will enable you to recite them backwards and forwards.

4.  http://www.eternallifeministries.org/bmg.htm
http://www.thegreatcommission.com/smplan.htm
A systematic system of review is important.  This aspect isn't formalized in
EZ-Memory-Verse, as each person learns differently and at a different pace.
It's my opinion that using SuperMemo in combintion with EZ-Memory-Verse will
provide the best system for review.  See the above Web addresses for some hints
at review schedules.  It will probably help to start each day by reciting the
verse(s) that you learned the previous day.  A good plan at
http://www.eternallifeministries.org suggests:

"When you have selected a verse, quote it 25 times the first day, 20 times the
second day, 15 times the third day, 10 times the fourth day, 5 times the fifth
day, once a day for 45 days, once a week for 7 weeks, and then once a month
thereafter. Initially, you may have to read the verse several times until you
know it well enough to quote from memory.

At first this may appear to require a lot of time, but actually it does not take
as much time as you might think. An average verse normally requires no more than
eight seconds to quote one time. Therefore, it should only take a little over
three minutes to quote 25 times. Moreover, you can memorize as many as a
thousand verses, and when you get them all into the monthly review, you only
have to review about 30 each day. And that should only require five to ten
minutes."

This is probably one of the best review plans, aside from using SuperMemo.  If
you want to be more scientific, there is a great software program called
SuperMemo, that quizzes you at various intervals tailored to your learning
capability.  See http://www.supermemo.com/.  There are also various scripture
memorization programs available to help you review, but they aren't as good as
SuperMemo for timing review repetitions.

Write me and tell me what you think of EZ-Memory-Verse! tedire.org March 27th,
2002

> I am the failed scripture memory poster child. My memory is just fine,
> and I can memorize on a regular basis. But it is, for the most part,
> not really helping me.

Sometimes it takes time - remember, God knows what he is doing, whether in how
the earth spins and the seasons change, bringing harvest in time:

It is the same with my word. I send it out, and it *always* produces fruit. It
will accomplish all I want it to, and it will prosper
everywhere I send it.   Isaiah 55:11 NLT

I know it is hard to feel "it isn't working," but I encourage you to have
confidence that it is having an effect - remember to realize you've got eternity
before you - you don't have to accomplish everything overnight.

> My intent: I desire is to weave the word of God into the very fabric
> of my life to permeate my being.

Great! Memory is a tool - it can work wonders, and things like the TMS can be a
great way to internalize outlines and background; something to help you remember
where to look.  Background for prayer.

Look for a community of believers that will support you.  Don't neglect worship,
and regular (non-memorizing) reading of Scripture.

**          joel peter anderson * joelmrklingon.org           **

Warren,

In spite of the fact that I'm so far behind, I'm also addressing this back to
the list. (I hope it goes through from my main address. I've been MEANING to
switch my subscription to this address, but I don't know
how.)

Especially in the beginning stages of Scripture memorization, and especially
when one is only memorizing 1- or 2-verse passages at a time, it may be
difficult for some folks to relate what they're studying to "everyday life".
(This would especially apply to memorization assignments for
doctrinal/theological courses such as CDLF's 1-year course based on Louis
Berkhof's _Summary of Christian Doctrine_.) Most topical courses such as those
published by The Navigators deal with basic Christian doctrine including the
simple gospel, and beginning truths for growing Christians. Some of the
passages, such as Galatians 2:20, may seem too "deep" or "other-worldly" to
apply immediately to the Monday-morning workplace... Although I think that even
these "deep" passages can be applied, perhaps after discussion among the
brethren in a small group, or with a Christian friend over lunch.

The denominational tradition behind the interdenominational seminary I attended
several years ago had a history of encouraging CHILDREN to memorize the
Westminster Shorter Catechism and the Scriptures related to it. Some of this was
"doctrinal", but the Ten Commandments, the Sermon on the Mount, Psalm 1, and the
passages relating to the basic Gospel were --in my humble opinion-- a pretty
good place to start memorizing. Looking at a workplace temptation to liberate
some of my employer's supplies could be answered by Gal.2:20, but "Thou shalt
not steal" applies very specifically.

Sometimes (actually, pretty often) it's helpful to see how somebody else has
"unpacked" a section of Scripture. "The unfolding of Your words gives light; it
gives understanding to the simple." (Ps 119:130 NASB-U) This would include
listening to our pastor preaching and applying the Word (if that's what s/he
does...), a S-school teacher or classmate, somebody in our small group, or even
a child who's just beginning to explore the Scriptures. In a discussion-study of
a section of Scripture, the QUESTIONS raised and observations made by somebody
completely new to the Bible can be of GREAT value! Sometimes we can be blessed
by reading Christian books, including "devotional" books, to see how other folks
have understood and applied the Scriptures. (I've edited in a link at the bottom
of this post to the etext of a short devotional booklet I wrote some time ago. I
pray that it'll bless somebody.) The process of taking in, understanding, and
applying the Scriptures in our own life is NOT just an INTELLECTUAL exercise
that should be pursued SOLO-ONLY (though I believe God makes special provision
for believers in unusual circumstances). We NEED the in-the-Body give-and-take,
because other folks will have some of the insights I'd miss by myself and which
I NEED. (See Colossians 3:16 & context.) Warren, _you_ remember our college days
when many of the Christians we knew had a highly individualized "me and
Jesus:'personal relationship'" (_alone_) mentality, completely overlooking the
need of a Christian believer for other believers and maybe not even mentioning
our need for the Church.

All that builds up to say THIS: Ephesians 4 mentions --among other
things-- the ministry of pastor and teacher. I won't open the can of
controversies here, but the point is that Christians OFTEN benefit from having
the Word properly ministered to them by somebody who actually knows something
about the Word. The "Berean attitude" is always necessary, examining the
Scriptures constantly to verify whatever's taught (Acts 17:11), but OFTEN when
we're "in a rut", we can get out of the rut much more easily with a tow-cable
from somebody else (1Thess 5:12-28).

As always, when interacting with the Scriptures, we need to operate in an
atmosphere of prayer, trust, and the committment to obey God in the matters he
points out to us by the Word and the Spirit (1Thess 5:16-22; John 7:17). If
we're holding ourselves aloof from Christians or if we're holding back from Him
some area of our lives (or a cherished sin), then the "insights" we want will
probably stop short back at the point of the repentance we KNOW we need.

I remember seeing the question included in the quotes below when it came through
the list, but I don't think that the response I would have made at that time
would have given much grace. One quick response would be "keep taking in the
Scriptures and seeking to understand and apply God's Word", which would be TRUE,
but probably frustrating to the original question-asker. I know of no "fast
formula" for an individual to suddenly begin to receive "insights" on how to
"apply" Scripture, other than to start out with the assumption that the
Scriptures are TRUE and that they mean what they say. It is because of our own
sinfulness that we fail to take the Scriptures at face value. The biggest
example is the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5 - 7) with which most folks with
any church background are familiar. The familiarity itself with those pretty
words and the phrases that have invaded most world-cultures can be an obstacle
to paying attention to what the words actually MEAN. Perhaps reading in an
unfamiliar translation, or --if possible-- a different language, would help an
over-familiar reader to see that these few pages go against every natural
inclination that still lives in our flesh! If we could "impersonate" a fresh
pair of eyes, we would be absolutely scandalized by these unreasonable words of
Jesus (and perhaps driven to explore the implications of Galatians 2:20).

After that probably-too-nebulous ranting, the only thing I know to say to Friend
Fitzwilliam is to "stay in the Race, fixing our eyes on Jesus" (Heb 12:1-3 &f.),
and FIND the means of grace that God has provided for you. ...and may He bless
you very richly indeed.

--Clyde


Wshort7832aol.com wrote:
> Clyde, Ralph,
>
> Do either of you have any ideas on this subject of how to make a
> topical memorization system more applicable to day-to-day living?
>
> Warren
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
>
> From:
> "Fitzwilliam Darcy" 
> Date:
> Mon, 02 Dec 2002 15:53:59 -0500
> To:
> biblememmemoryverses.org
>
>
> I am the failed scripture memory poster child. My memory is just fine,
and
> I
> can memorize on a regular basis. But it is, for the most part, not
> really helping me.
>
> My intent: I desire is to weave the word of God into the very fabric
> of
my
> life to permeate my being. To have his word penetrate the darkest
> corners of my mind, illuminating the secret places: healing,
> revealing, confronting, and forgiving.
>
> I think that memorizing and meditating on scripture would help with
> this intention.
>
> The problem is the verses are memorized in a vacuum. The techniques
> are
all
> fine, but once you know the verses they are not memorized in such a
> way that they are useful (in my experience).
>
> Perhaps a topical system would be of value? Though I memorized the
> Navigators Topical System and found the verses in that same useless
vacuum.
> The verses were not practical and useful in day-to-day experience.
>
> I am having trouble articulating the problem, but I perhaps some of
> you have found your long lists of memorized verses somewhat
> impractical. Any insights
> would be appreciated. I thank you :)
>
> Fitzwilliam


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I have been on this list for awhile and have found it encouraging.  I am 43
years old, married with 5 children, work as a registered nurse, and live in
north central Pennsylvania.  I am interested in being mutually accountable with
someone on this list regarding memorizing.  If anyone feels led to persue this,
please let me know.
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Jim

There is a saying, You don't really learn something untill you try to teach it.
Is there someone who you can mentor?  This has helped me a great deal. The
fields are white and ready for the harvest. What has hindered you?  See this is
how it is in you also. I hope this helps. II Tim 2:4 it.


>I am the failed scripture memory poster child. My memory is just fine,
>and I can memorize on a regular basis. But it is, for the most part,
>not really helping me.
>
>My intent: I desire is to weave the word of God into the very fabric of
>my life to permeate my being. To have his word penetrate the darkest
>corners of my mind, illuminating the secret places: healing, revealing,
>confronting, and forgiving.
>
>I think that memorizing and meditating on scripture would help with
>this intention.
>
>The problem is the verses are memorized in a vacuum. The techniques are
all
>fine, but once you know the verses they are not memorized in such a way
>that they are useful (in my experience).
>
>Perhaps a topical system would be of value? Though I memorized the
>Navigators Topical System and found the verses in that same useless
vacuum.
>The verses were not practical and useful in day-to-day experience.
>
>I am having trouble articulating the problem, but I perhaps some of you
>have found your long lists of memorized verses somewhat impractical.
>Any insights
>would be appreciated. I thank you :)
>
>Fitzwilliam
>

I have found the same thing.  However, when you spend time daily in God's Word,
I'm sure you will experience verses or passages that speak to your heart about
your particular situation, or answer some need you are experiencing in your own
personal life.

When you come across those passages, memorize them. That's what I am going to
start doing (since I want to practice what I preach :).

It might not be every day that a scripture like this crosses your path. But ask
the Holy Spirit to make your heart sensitive to the scriptures which can meet
needs in your life, whether it be in your relationships, in your walk with God,
your struggles, or anything else.

When you're reading the scriptures, and the Spirit offers up sin to confess,
command to obey, promise to claim, example to follow, stumbling block to avoid,
or a key understanding of God or His will for your life, then those are the ones
you want to memorize. Thus, your list will differ greatly from mine. God's Word
is living and active, and it speaks to you differently than it does to me.

It's the same Word, with the same meaning.  It's just that different levels of
understanding and wisdom are given to different people at different times,
sufficient to meet their current needs. That's why God says to to take up our
cross daily, and to pray for Him to give us our daily bread. It's because He
wants to speak to you today, concerning the issues you are dealing with today.

Anyway, hope this helps. Good luck.

Jesse


--- "Fitzwilliam Darcy"  wrote:
>I am the failed scripture memory poster child. My memory is just fine,
>and I can memorize on a regular basis. But it is, for the most part,
>not really helping me.
>
>My intent: I desire is to weave the word of God into the very fabric of
>my life to permeate my being. To have his word penetrate the darkest
>corners of my mind, illuminating the secret places: healing, revealing,
>confronting, and forgiving.
>
>I think that memorizing and meditating on scripture would help with
>this intention.
>
>The problem is the verses are memorized in a vacuum. The techniques are
all
>fine, but once you know the verses they are not memorized in such a way
>that they are useful (in my experience).
>
>Perhaps a topical system would be of value? Though I memorized the
>Navigators Topical System and found the verses in that same useless
vacuum.
>The verses were not practical and useful in day-to-day experience.
>
>I am having trouble articulating the problem, but I perhaps some of you
>have found your long lists of memorized verses somewhat impractical.
>Any insights
>would be appreciated. I thank you :)
>
>Fitzwilliam

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I have found the same thing.  However, when you spend time daily in God's Word,
I'm sure you will experience verses or passages that speak to your heart about
your particular situation, or answer some need you are experiencing in your own
personal life.

When you come across those passages, memorize them. That's what I am going to
start doing (since I want to practice what I preach :).

It might not be every day that a scripture like this crosses your path. But ask
the Holy Spirit to make your heart sensitive to the scriptures which can meet
needs in your life, whether it be in your relationships, in your walk with God,
your struggles, or anything else.

When you're reading the scriptures, and the Spirit offers up sin to confess,
command to obey, promise to claim, example to follow, stumbling block to avoid,
or a key understanding of God or His will for your life, then those are the ones
you want to memorize. Thus, your list will differ greatly from mine. God's Word
is living and active, and it speaks to you differently than it does to me.

It's the same Word, with the same meaning.  It's just that different levels of
understanding and wisdom are given to different people at different times,
sufficient to meet their current needs. That's why God says to to take up our
cross daily, and to pray for Him to give us our daily bread. It's because He
wants to speak to you today, concerning the issues you are dealing with today.

Anyway, hope this helps. Good luck.

Jesse


--- "Fitzwilliam Darcy"  wrote:
>I am the failed scripture memory poster child. My memory is just fine,
>and I can memorize on a regular basis. But it is, for the most part,
>not really helping me.
>
>My intent: I desire is to weave the word of God into the very fabric of
>my life to permeate my being. To have his word penetrate the darkest
>corners of my mind, illuminating the secret places: healing, revealing,
>confronting, and forgiving.
>
>I think that memorizing and meditating on scripture would help with
>this intention.
>
>The problem is the verses are memorized in a vacuum. The techniques are
all
>fine, but once you know the verses they are not memorized in such a way
>that they are useful (in my experience).
>
>Perhaps a topical system would be of value? Though I memorized the
>Navigators Topical System and found the verses in that same useless
vacuum.
>The verses were not practical and useful in day-to-day experience.
>
>I am having trouble articulating the problem, but I perhaps some of you
>have found your long lists of memorized verses somewhat impractical.
>Any insights
>would be appreciated. I thank you :)
>
>Fitzwilliam

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Fitzwilliam, I am NO expert at memorizing scripture. I have only memorized a few
verses. But they are helping me in my life. All I did was find an area that I
needed God's help in- fear. I found a scripture passage of 6 verses that really
comforted and guided me to His love, and I memorized that. I still don't have it
down perfect. But as imperfect as I have it, it is still a wonderful help to me.
And I have started adding a couple more verses.

I have NO memory and had been unable to memorize scripture, except for John
3:16, for 40 years. But last month, I downloaded the Scripture Memory System
that has been mentioned here before, and have found the drills , the parrot, and
the games all such a help, and fun too. And how often you get that verse
reviewed by the test scores you got.

-just the experience of a computer non-literate grandma. -melody

On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, Fitzwilliam Darcy wrote:

> I am the failed scripture memory poster child. My memory is just fine,
and
> I
> can memorize on a regular basis. But it is, for the most part, not
> really helping me.
>
> My intent: I desire is to weave the word of God into the very fabric
> of
my
> life to permeate my being. To have his word penetrate the darkest
> corners of my mind, illuminating the secret places: healing,
> revealing, confronting, and forgiving.
>
> I think that memorizing and meditating on scripture would help with
> this intention.
>
> The problem is the verses are memorized in a vacuum. The techniques
> are
all
> fine, but once you know the verses they are not memorized in such a
> way that they are useful (in my experience).
>
> Perhaps a topical system would be of value? Though I memorized the
> Navigators Topical System and found the verses in that same useless
vacuum.
> The verses were not practical and useful in day-to-day experience.
>
> I am having trouble articulating the problem, but I perhaps some of
> you have found your long lists of memorized verses somewhat
> impractical. Any insights
> would be appreciated. I thank you :)
>
> Fitzwilliam
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Hi, I am new to the whole memorization of scripture thing. I purchased a book
recently from a Christian book store called "Scripture Memory made easy". It
recommends along with the scripture memorizing themes and topics to somehow
mentally sort your verses as you go. It seems my only real stumbling block comes
from "self". So prayer seems to be my first step(for willingness and
perserverence), followed by opening up a bible or a computer program to actually
get a verse, then reading thru, repeating, writing saying out loud and anything
else that may help me memorize.

Enough said of that and my small thorn in my side. Even though I have just
started with this, after perusing many software programs, I think this books way
will be an excellent way to give me a needed push. It is designed to help you
memorize 100 versus in a year ( not many in my feeble mind ) but almost too many
for this mental cripple. The system with saying your topic with the scripture as
you are memorizing would seem a big help to anyone who would rather not have it
locked in your subconscious like some spiritual jigsaw puzzle. There are
scriptures that I just want to memorize....even though I go thru different
seasons with certain scriptures only to forget them as I enter a new season. Oh
well, please Lord help me to have the stick-to-it-tiveness to keep going towards
the goal, which is to be a "doer" or the word and not a knower of the word.

Ray

Hi Jim, i need an accountability partner too but i'm 22 years old and
single...haha....probably it's better to get someone around our age. BTW, anyone
around my age that wants to be my partner???

Sean

Jim & LuAnn O'Connell wrote:

>I have been on this list for awhile and have found it encouraging.  I
>am
43
>years old, married with 5 children, work as a registered nurse, and
>live
in
>north central Pennsylvania.  I am interested in being mutually
>accountable with someone on this list regarding memorizing.  If anyone
>feels led to persue this, please let me know.
>--
>Grace be with you.
>
>Jim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Hi Jim;

I'm 58, married and the three kids have left the nest. I
pastor a small Baptist church in rural Australia. Yes I would love to have
someone to be mutually accountable with re scripture memorisation. I have been
doing the 'FAST' course of scripture memorisation for about 18 months now and
have found it very practical and extremely benificial. Yours In Him DavidB

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim & LuAnn O'Connell" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 5:13 AM
Subject: accountability


> I have been on this list for awhile and have found it encouraging.  I
> am
43
> years old, married with 5 children, work as a registered nurse, and
> live
in
> north central Pennsylvania.  I am interested in being mutually
accountable
> with someone on this list regarding memorizing.  If anyone feels led
> to persue this, please let me know.
> --
> Grace be with you.
>
> Jim
>
>
>

Hi!Jim,
May  you  have  a  joy, peace  and  love  in  this  season  of christmas. I  am
requesting  you  to  be  my  prayer  partner once  a  week  i'll  try  to
communicate  you. Hope  you  like the  idia. God  bless.

In  His  Service
Bro.  Sonny  Agot


>
>
>
>
>
>
>

What has helped me to memorize specific verses is to select those that meet the
exact criteria of the situations that I've needed them for.  For example, when I
became afraid of a situation that I was dealing with, I memorized Psalms 27:1-3.
 Another example, is of a person that I knew on a fairly good basis.  This
person was a know-it-all, so for him, Proverbs 18:2.  The 'bible helps' found in
most bibles might assist in finding scripture that meets your current situation.

By the way...............

Here's to the greatest gift to all of mankind, Jesus Christ our Savior - MERRY
CHRISTMAS, SAINTS OF THE MOST HIGH G0D !!  :o) December 24, 2002 at 7:37pm
Eastern Standard Time in New York City, USA


----- Original Message -----
From: "Melody Habeeb" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: your mail


> Fitzwilliam, I am NO expert at memorizing scripture. I have only
memorized
> a few verses. But they are helping me in my life. All I did was find
> an area that I needed God's help in- fear. I found a scripture passage
> of 6 verses that really comforted and guided me to His love, and I
> memorized that. I still don't have it down perfect. But as imperfect
> as I have it, it is still a wonderful help to me. And I have started
> adding a couple more verses.
>
> I have NO memory and had been unable to memorize scripture, except for
> John 3:16, for 40 years. But last month, I downloaded the Scripture
Memory
> System that has been
> mentioned here before, and have found the drills , the parrot, and the
> games all such a help, and fun too. And how often you get that verse
> reviewed by the test scores you got.
>
> -just the experience of a computer non-literate grandma. -melody
>
> On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, Fitzwilliam Darcy wrote:
>
> > I am the failed scripture memory poster child. My memory is just
> > fine,
> and
> > I
> > can memorize on a regular basis. But it is, for the most part, not
really
> > helping me.
> >
> > My intent: I desire is to weave the word of God into the very fabric
> > of
> my
> > life to permeate my being. To have his word penetrate the darkest
corners
> > of
> > my mind, illuminating the secret places: healing, revealing,
confronting,
> > and forgiving.
> >
> > I think that memorizing and meditating on scripture would help with
this
> > intention.
> >
> > The problem is the verses are memorized in a vacuum. The techniques
> > are
> all
> > fine, but once you know the verses they are not memorized in such a
> > way that they are useful (in my experience).
> >
> > Perhaps a topical system would be of value? Though I memorized the
> > Navigators Topical System and found the verses in that same useless
> vacuum.
> > The verses were not practical and useful in day-to-day experience.
> >
> > I am having trouble articulating the problem, but I perhaps some of
> > you have found your long lists of memorized verses somewhat
> > impractical. Any insights
> > would be appreciated. I thank you :)
> >
> > Fitzwilliam
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

hello
I was happy to find this bible memory link.i was wondering if any one out there
is memorizing the book of Romans?

Emerson  romans 10:17

ps northern wisconsin and no snow

I agree 100% with Joel. He said very similar to what I
was going to say.


The other day while cleaning out my closet I came
across an old notebook that contained the ideas that
someone (can't remember who) said in this list. They
said that they wrote down the first letters of each
word in the verses they were trying to memorize.

Out of curiousity, (and I hadn't touched this notebook
for several months) I started looking through it. I
was curious to know if I still remembered anything.
See, I had given up, after going over and reviewing
the verses daily for a few weeks. I didn't feel that
any of it was sticking, so I quit determined to find
another way.

Now, these just contained the first letters such as Bitmwdnwitcotu. (psalm 1)
And I found I remembered a great deal of the verses. I had started in the psalms
and got to chapter 33.

So needless to say, I have started going over the
notebook again. Something else that has helped me
tremendously. I am recording passages on tape. I can
remember things better when I can replay them again
and again while out and about doing things.

To have His Word permeate my life is very important to
me. To also aid me, I spend time in the Word reading
meditating and listen to faith filled sermons from
church and on the internet.

Hope this was of some help to you.

Noel

=====
Psalm 52:8-9

But I am like an olive tree flourishing in the house of God;
I trust in God's unfailing love for ever and ever.  I will praise you forever
for what you have done; in your name I will hope, for your name is good. I will
praise you in the presence of your saints.

I have been on this list for a bit too...although this
is not realted to the topic of memorization (I'm a bit
bad at the habit and faltering), I have noticed that
when this list distributes emails, its all at one
time! Does everyone seem to write all at one
time...like every few weeks or so?
I don't have it in digest mode; I get them
individually.  And with an email in my inbox titled 'accountability' I kinda
freaked out like I did something wrong and I  was about to get in trouble :D
hehe

Courtney



--- Jim & LuAnn O'Connell 
wrote:
> I have been on this list for awhile and have found
> it encouraging.  I am 43
> years old, married with 5 children, work as a
> registered nurse, and live in
> north central Pennsylvania.  I am interested in
> being mutually accountable
> with someone on this list regarding memorizing.  If
> anyone feels led to
> persue this, please let me know.
> --
> Grace be with you.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
>

JESUS IS JEHOVAH
"17 Titles or Acts Attributed exclusively to both Jehovah and Jesus"

The following are references to Seventeen Titles or Acts attributed to Jehovah
God in the Old Testament which are also attributed to Jesus in the New
Testament. Demonstrating from the scriptures that Jesus is indeed Jehovah God.

TITLE OR ACT    Attributed to Jehovah God  / Same attributed to Jesus

1. CREATOR  Isaiah 40:28 / John 1:3

Isa 40:28  Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God,
the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary?
there is no searching of his understanding.

Joh 1:3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made
that was made.



2. SAVIOR  Isaiah 45:22;  Isaiah 43:11 / John 4:42

Isa 45:22  Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am
God, and there is none else.

Isa 43:11  I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no savior.

Joh 4:42  And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy
saying:
for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the
Savior of the world.

3. RAISE THE DEAD  1 Samuel 2:6 / John 5:21

1Sa 2:6  The LORD killeth, and maketh alive: he bringeth down to the grave, and
bringeth up.

Joh 5:21  For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so
the Son quickeneth whom he will.

4. JUDGE  Joel 3:2 / John 5:27, cf. Matthew 25:31-46

Joe 3:2  I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the
valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my
heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.

Joh 5:27  And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is
the Son of man.

Mat 25:31  When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels
with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

5. LIGHT  Isaiah 60:19-20 /John 8:12

Isa 60:19  The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness
shall the moon give light unto thee: but the LORD shall be unto thee an
everlasting light, and thy God thy glory.

Isa 60:20  Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw
itself: for the LORD shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy
mourning shall be ended.

Joh 8:12  Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the
world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light
of life.

6. I AM  Exodus 3:14 / John 8:58 cf. John 18:5 John 18:6

Exo 3:14  And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou
say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Joh 8:58  Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham
was, I am.

Joh 18:5  They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he.
And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.

Joh 18:6  As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward,
and fell to the ground.

7.SHEPHERD  Psalm 23:1 / John 10:11

Psa 23:1  A Psalm of David. The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.

Joh 10:11  I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the
sheep.

8.GLORY OF GOD  Isaiah 42:8 cf. Isaiah 48:11 / John 17:1 John 17:5

Isa 42:8  I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to
another, neither my praise to graven images.

Isa 48:11  For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how
should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.

Joh 17:1  These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said,
Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

Joh 17:5  And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory
which I had with thee before the world was.

9. FIRST AND LAST  Isaiah 41:4; Isaiah 44:6 / Revelation 1:17; Revelation 2:8

Isa 41:4  Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the
beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he.

Isa 44:6  Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of
hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Rev 1:17  And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right
hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

Rev 2:8  And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith
the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;

10. REDEEMER  Hosea 13:14 / Revelation 5:9

Hos 13:14  I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them
from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy
destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes.

Rev 5:9  And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and
to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by
thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

11. BRIDEGROOM  Isaiah 62:5; Hosea 2:16 / Revelation 21:2, cf. Matthew 25:1 ff.

Isa 62:5  For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry
thee:
and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over
thee.

Hos 2:16  And it shall be at that day, saith the LORD, that thou shalt call me
Ishi; and shalt call me no more Baali.

Rev 21:2  And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out
of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Mat 25:1  Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which
took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

12. ROCK  Psalm 18:2 / 1 Corinthians 10:4

Psa 18:2  The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my
strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my
high tower.

1Co 10:4  And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that
spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

13. FORGIVER OF SINS  Jeremiah 31:34 / Mark 2:7 Mark 2:10-11

Jer 31:34  And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man
his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least
of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their
iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Mar 2:7  Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God
only?

Mar 2:10  But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to
forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,)

Mar 2:11  I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way into thine
house.

14. WORSHIPPED BY ANGELS  Psalm 148:2 / Hebrews 1:6

Psa 148:2  Praise ye him, all his angels: praise ye him, all his hosts.

Heb 1:6  And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world, he
saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

15.  ADDRESSED IN PRAYER  Throughout OT incl: Psalm 83:18  / Acts 7:59

Psa 83:18  That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the
most high over all the earth.

Act 7:59  And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus,
receive my spirit.

16. CREATOR OF ANGELS  Psalm 148:5 / Colossians 1:16

Psa 148:5  Let them praise the name of the LORD: for he commanded, and they were
created.

Col 1:16  For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are
in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or
principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

17. CONFESSED AS LORD  Isaiah 45:23 / Phillipians 2:10-11

Isa 45:23  I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in
righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every
tongue shall swear.

Phi 2:10  That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven,
and things in earth, and things under the earth;

Phi 2:11  And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the
glory of God the Father.