Hi people,

I was just wondering.. I've only been memorising for a few months but
I've taken verses from all over the Bible and I've noticed a few
difficulties with this. For the first ten or so verses I memorised I
could easily recall them all in the order in which I learnt them which I
liked because it meant I could review all the verses I know even if I
didn't have my cards with me. However, as the time's gone on I've
decided that way isn't very appropriate because the verses aren't in an
particular order and often don't have much to do with each other. Also,
there are too many to do that with now.

I thought up a few different categories for the verses I had (three
groups with six categories in each) so, for example, the first group
has: self worth, Christian living, temptation, prayer, God's will and
trust in it. And then I put my verses into those categories. I'm not
sure if this is a good way of doing it or not. My reasons for doing so
is to have the verses arranged in my head in some sort of order, so that
I can recall the specific verses when I need ones on, say, trust or
faith or something. I haven't spent long memorising the categories or
the verses in each one yet but I was wondering what others thought of
this idea. Do you think it's a good one or does anyone know any better
idea? And, does anyone else think it's a good idea to have some kind of
system for verses on the same topic or do you think it doesn't matter
that much? I guess I would like to know that I can find all the verses
I've memorised whenever I need then, in any situation even if I don't
have my cards with me. And it seems unlikely (from experience) to expect
that I'm going to be able to remember them all without having a system.
What do you all think?

Robyn


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Robyn,
I think any effort you make whatsoever in memorizing and obeying the
scriptures is great.  The "professional christian counselor" books in the
market have verses organized by topic just as you've come to see is a good
way to organize.  Just remember that it is the Holy Spirit inside of you Who
will "bring to your remembrance" those things our Lord taught you.  You will
be amazed at what you're able to remember when He's in control.

Keep up the Great Work,

Morris E McGuire
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800-420-7482 -  Pager


-----Original Message-----
From: Robyn Meyer [mailto:robyn_rainbowhotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 1998 8:50 AM
To: biblememoryMyList.net
Subject: keeping track of memory verses..


Hi people,

I was just wondering.. I've only been memorising for a few months but
I've taken verses from all over the Bible and I've noticed a few
difficulties with this. For the first ten or so verses I memorised I
could easily recall them all in the order in which I learnt them which I
liked because it meant I could review all the verses I know even if I
didn't have my cards with me. However, as the time's gone on I've
decided that way isn't very appropriate because the verses aren't in an
particular order and often don't have much to do with each other. Also,
there are too many to do that with now.

I thought up a few different categories for the verses I had (three
groups with six categories in each) so, for example, the first group
has: self worth, Christian living, temptation, prayer, God's will and
trust in it. And then I put my verses into those categories. I'm not
sure if this is a good way of doing it or not. My reasons for doing so
is to have the verses arranged in my head in some sort of order, so that
I can recall the specific verses when I need ones on, say, trust or
faith or something. I haven't spent long memorising the categories or
the verses in each one yet but I was wondering what others thought of
this idea. Do you think it's a good one or does anyone know any better
idea? And, does anyone else think it's a good idea to have some kind of
system for verses on the same topic or do you think it doesn't matter
that much? I guess I would like to know that I can find all the verses
I've memorised whenever I need then, in any situation even if I don't
have my cards with me. And it seems unlikely (from experience) to expect
that I'm going to be able to remember them all without having a system.
What do you all think?

Robyn


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A  SCRIPTURE  MEMORIZATION  PROGRAM  DESIGNED FOR  YOU !

1.   Decide that systematic Scripture memorization and review is important
enough to spend some time on regularly.  (It certainly is!  See Col. 3:16;
Deut. 11:18; Josh. 1:8; Ps. 119:11; II Pet. 3:18; Ps. 119:93.)
2.   Pray for God’s help in disciplining yourself to take the necessary
time, and to keep at it regularly.
3.   Obtain 3 x 5 ruled index cards to put verses on.  Keep a supply of
cards on hand.
4.   Write (or type) verses you wish to memorize on your cards - the verse
on the ruled side, and the reference in the middle of the blank side.
Start with some key verses that you know of, or get advice from your pastor
or a friend on a number of verses to start on.
5.   Keep a list (perhaps in your Bible) of verses you read or hear which
you would like to memorize.  Write these verses on cards whenever you have
time. (Always have some good verses written out on cards ready to be
memorized.)
6.   Begin taking a few minutes daily to work on memorizing Scripture
verses.  Start with five or six verses.  You do NOT need to learn the
verses immediately.  Just spend some time going over them each day.
7.   Mark a blank card “Daily Review” as a cover card for the stack of
cards you are beginning to memorize.  (Use a rubber band to keep the stack
together.)  Remember, you must review these DAILY, if only to read over
each one carefully.  Some days you may be able to spend more time on them,
but don’t miss a day of spending at least a few minutes on them.  You will
find them getting more and more familiar until you have some memorized
after two or three weeks!
8.   Determine a schedule for adding new verses to your Daily Review to be
learned.  You may want to add one every third day for a while, or once a
week.  Just make sure it is regular!  (You may add more often at first,
then later change your schedule to add less often as you accumulate more
verses and need a little more time for reviewing them.)  Write the date you
start to review each verse in the upper right hand corner of the side of
the card with the reference on for that verse.
9.   Mark another blank card “Weekly Review.”  As soon as you have any
verse in your Daily Review stack learned well (so that you can quote it and
the reference several days in a row without looking , transfer that card to
this new stack.  Review the cards in this stack just once a week.  Write
the date each time you review these on the Weekly Review cover card, so you
don’t forget when it’s time to review them again.
10.   Mark another blank card “Monthly Review.”  When you have reviewed
verses in your Weekly Review stack once a week for a couple months or so,
you will find that you can recall some of them very well each time you
review, so you can now transfer those into this new stack to be reviewed
just once a month.  Again, write the date on the cover card when you go
over these, so you can see when it will be time to review them again.
11.   As you move more verses from Daily Review to Weekly Review, you may
want to eventually divide your Weekly Review stack into smaller stacks for
several different days of the week, so you won’t have to spend so much time
on any one day reviewing those weekly review verses.  Likewise, later on
you will want to divide Monthly Review verses into several smaller stacks
and review on different days of the month.  (Eventually, you can have a
Weekly Review stack for each day of the week, and a Monthly Review stack
for each day of the month.  At that point, you will each day be reviewing
your Daily Review verses, some Weekly Review verses, and some Monthly
Review verses.  However, it still will not take you a lot of time, because
you will know your Monthly and Weekly Review verses well, and you will
still just be going over your Daily Review verses for a few minutes, not
taking time to try to memorize any verses in just a day or two.)
12.   You will probably want to alternate reviewing the verse and the
reference every other time.  As you review each stack, after you turn over
each card to check whether you said the words or the reference correctly,
leave the card turned over so you will be reviewing the opposite side the
next time.
13.   Quote the verses you have learned, or are learning, to others
whenever you have the opportunity.
14.   Never quit reviewing the verses you have learned until you meet the
Lord in the air and He gives you permission to stop.
15.   Encourage and help someone else (many others, if possible) to get
started in this program also.  It will make it so much easier for you to
keep at it if you always have some friend doing it as well, and you pray
for, encourage, and check up on each other.

THIS WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE!  YOUR LABOR WILL NOT BE IN VAIN!!  START NOW!

(Let me know if I can be of any help or encouragement! 
And pass this on to others to whom it might be of help. Thanks!)

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Vist Jack Van Impe's web site at jvim.com


                         The Walking Bible

            In the minds of millions, Jack Van Impe has become "The
Walking
          Bible," but it didn't happen overnight.

             Dr. David Allen set the example. His ability to quote the
Scriptures
          in his work as a successful pastor and teacher convinced Jack
of the
          value of memorization. The authority given his ministry by
using Bible
          verses was easy to see. It is not surprising that one of his
students
          decided to build on the same foundation.

             Jack was not the first Van Impe impressed by Dr. Allen's
          memorization techniques. Oscar Van Impe, Dr. Van Impe's
father,
          had also sat through his classes and had been given Scripture
memory assignments. The older Van
          Impe had tackled the project by arranging verses according to
Bible doctrine and placing them on
          index cards that he could carry with him. It was a means of
making double use of his time and
          changed many waiting hours that would otherwise have been
wasted into profitable opportunities for
          storing God's Word in his heart.

             When Oscar went to Belgium he left his Bible memory cards
behind. It was an oversight, but turned
          out to be a blessed blunder. Jack found them, very near the
time of his return from backsliding and
          adopted his father's method. He's still using it today.

             As a student, Jack found the verses he programmed into his
mind were like good friends. They
          came to his aid when he needed them. Assignments became
easier. Witnessing, a natural experience.
          And, best of all, this army of Bible verses marched into his
ordination examination and rescued him
          from hours of questioning by the ministers present.

             When he struggled with the decision concerning the main
thrust of his ministry, it was those Bible
          verses, now leaping into every sermon, that gave him the
confidence he was equipped to preach.

             During his evangelistic ministry, the power of God's Word
has been consistently demonstrated. He
          attributes the characteristic lasting effect of his crusades
to the saturation of his sermons with the Bible.
          Sinners are confronted with God's Word, rather than
tear-jerking stories. The result is conviction and
          genuine conversions. Christians are moved to revival because
they are forced to see themselves as
          God sees them. And that is what preaching is all about.

             Not everyone appreciates memorization. Even among
preachers. One Ohio minister once told Jack
          that his Scripture quoting was leading him into a stilted form
of preaching and would hurt his ministry.
          Today, that homiletical expert is out of the ministry after
the church died under his polished preaching,
          while Dr. Van Impe is still quoting Scripture and reaping the
benefits of its power.

                              Encounters With Critics and Opponents

             Having so much of the Bible committed to memory has
equipped Dr. Van Impe for encounters with
          critics and opponents.

             Members of cults who have come unsuspectingly to his door
have found themselves at a loss to
          cope with his plain presentation of Bible truths.

            Representing the Michigan Sunday School Association in a
3-hour debate with an atheist and a
          Roman Catholic priest, on Detroit's radio station WXYZ, Jack
quoted over 500 Bible verses in the
          first two hours of the program. The moderator was so upset at
this domination of the debate with
          unanswerable arguments that he ruled that no more verses could
be quoted in the debate. At that
          announcement, Jack stated that he would have to leave the
program, since the purpose of his being
          there was to present the Bible. With an hour still remaining
in the debate, the announcer rescinded his
          rule and allowed "The Walking Bible" to keep on quoting
Scripture.

             The moderator of a radio call-in program in Illinois had
Dr. Van Impe for a guest. He hated
          Christianity and claimed to believe only the Old Testament.
When the broadcast started, he
          announced that even though this was a call-in show, he would
accept no calls from listeners because
          he wanted to use the entire hour to tear the evangelist to
shreds. He started his tirade by saying, "I
          can't accept the three-headed God of Christians." In other
words, he rejected and mocked the
          Trinity.

             "Well, sir," said Jack, "since you believe only the Old
Testament, I'll show you what that part of the
          Bible has to say about the Trinity."

             Beginning then at Genesis 1:1 and showing that the very
first mention of God is given in the plural
          Hebrew word Elohim, he moved through the Old Testament
revealing the truth about the Trinity.

             He pointed out that the plural word for God (Elohim), was
used again at the creation of man (see
          Genesis 1:26), the Lord has a Son (see Proverbs 30:4), that
the Lord speaks to the Lord (see Psalm
          110:1), and that the Lord spoke of sending the Lord to the
earth (see Zechariah 2:10,11).

             At that point, the distressed disc jockey decided it was
time to open the program to the calls of
          listeners.

             On a network TV station in Missouri, Jack debated a college
professor. The program started with
          the announcer telling viewers that the debate was between a
Christian and an intellectual. Some
          put-down! But it didn't matter. After being bombarded with the
Bible for 12 minutes, the professor
          surrendered and Jack used the remaining 48 minutes of the
program to give his testimony.

             Some admirers of Dr. Van Impe's ability to quote 14,000
Bibie verses, including virtually the entire
          New Testament, look upon this accomplishment as the result of
a divine gift. "Not so," the memory
          man replies.

             Others think he has a photographic mind. "Wrong again," he
insists.

             What then is the reason for this unusual feat? "Hard work,"
he replies.

              Desire, Discipline, and Dedication

             There are three reasons why Jack Van Impe has become "The
Walking Bible." They are desire,
          discipline, and dedication.

             Jack saw the benefits of being saturated with the Bible and
he wanted them. Enumerating some of
          the results of such exposure to inspiration, he says,

          "The Word gives us victory over sin (see Psalm 119:11). It
makes us clean (see John 15:3). It is
          the source of faith (see Romans 10:17). It brings blessing
(see Revelatian 1:3)." (You can tell that
          he is just beginning to warm to his subject.) He has
experienced the difference in his own life. The
          words of the Bible are no longer just promises for plaques on
the wall, nor catchy texts for sermons.
          They are part and fiber of his very being.

             He has developed the necessary self-discipline to make his
goal attainable. Like Paul, he has
          mastered his body (see 1 Corinthians 9:27). Depriving himself
of relaxation and sometimes sleep, he
          has always kept up his memorization of the Bible. With his
pressing schedule, it would have been
          easier to forget those two hours of daily memorization. But
ease was not his aim. He wanted to be a
          man of the Word.

            Dr. Van Impe says he spent about 35,000 hours in memorizing
14,000 verses. And that time was all
          invested for the glory of God. There were no contests to win.
No awards to receive. No one
          challenged him to a memory marathon. His service for Christ
here was just as real to him as preaching
          or leading a soul to Christ. The Scripture memory time was a
sacred rendezvous. There were few
          memory gimmicks used to achieve his goal. The important
dimension to this accomplishment was, and
          is, dedication.

            Eager to have others memorize the Bible, Dr. Van Impe has
been willing to share the method that
          has made him "The Walking Bible."

            First, he prepares index cards with Bible verses on one side
and the references on the other. He
          generally prepared 50 cards at a time. Others might not want
to make that many. The important thing
          is to get a start with some set number of verses.

            He suggests choosing verses by subject or doctrine, not by
chapter. At one time, he tried
          memorizing by chapter, but found himself less able to use the
verses quickly. He would lose valuable
          time working through a number of verses to get to the one he
needed. Memorizing by subject or
          doctrine is more liable to bring verses to mind when a given
subject is raised.

            Use a good concordance (possibly Young's or Strong's), and
make a list of choice verses on the
          particular word or subject you wish to study. For example, you
might take the word "save" or "saved"
          in studying the doctrine of salvation. Placing the verses on
your cards chronologically will help to keep
          your thoughts organized. You may want to use the following
verses: Isaiah 45:22; Jeremiah 8:20;
          Matthew 1:21; Luke l9:10, John 3:17; Acts 4:12; Romans 10:1; 1
Corinthians 1.21; Ephesians 2:8,9;
          I Timothy 1:l5, 2:4; and Hebrews 7-25.

            Memory cards could look like this:
                 Side 1
                      Subject: Salvation
                      Isaiah 45:22
                 Side 2
                      Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the
earth: for I am God, and
                      there is none else.
                 Side 1
                      Subject: Salvation
                      Jeremiah 8:20
                 Side 2
                      The harvest is past, the summer is ended, and we
are not saved.
                 Side 1
                      Subject: Salvation
                      Matthew 1:21
                 Side 2
                      And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt
call his name Jesus: for he
                      shall save his people from their sins.
                 Side 1
                      Subject: Salvation
                      Luke 19:10
                 Side 2
                      For the Son of man is come to seek and to save
that which was lost.
                 Side 1
                      Subject: Salvation
                      John 3:17
                 Side 2
                      For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn
the world; but that the
                      world through him might be saved.



            There is another approach to the choice of verses for
memorization that Dr. Van Impe calls
          "Subject Coherence." Here is a sample of that type of study:
                    1.Sin: Psalm 14:3, 51:5; Ecclesiastes 7:20; Isaiah
53:5; Micah 7:2; Luke
                       18:19; Romans 3:9-18, 3:23; Galatians 3:22.
                    2.The results of sin: Ezekiel 18:4,20; Romans 5:12,
6:23; James 1:15;
                       Revelation 21:8,27, 22:15.
                    3.The remedy for sin: Isaiah 53:5,6, Matthew 20:28;
Romans 5:8; I
                       Corinthians 15:3; 2 Corinthians 5:21; Galatians
1:4, 3:13, Philippians
                       2:5-8; 1 Peter 2:24, 3:18.


            A good concordance also provides a means of cross-reference
study on two subjects. By
          memorizing verses on both, a knowledge is gained about how the
two relate. A set of verses
          cross-referencing baptism and salvation might be arranged with
comments as helps in the following
          manner:
                    1.Why did Christ come?
                       TO SAVE:
                       Matthew 9:13; Luke 19:10; 1 Timothy 1:15.

                    2.How did He save?
                       NOT BY BAPTISM:
                       John 4:2,
                       HOW THEN?
                       BY BLOOD:
                       Ephesians 1:7; 1 John 1:7; Revelation 1:5.

                    3.What is the gospel?
                       1 Corinthians 15:1-4.
                       TO ADD WATER IS HERESY:
                       Galatians 1:8,9.

                    4.How can one be saved?
                       THROUGH FAITH -- BELIEVING:
                       John 3:14,16,36, 6:47, 8:24, 11:25, 14:1,
20:30,31; Acts 10:43, 13:38;
                       Romans 1:16, 4:3, 4:5, 10:9,10; l Corinthians
1:21; Galatians 2:16;
                       Ephesians 1:13; 2 Timothy 1:12; 2 Peter 2:7.

                    5.Who then should be baptized?
                       THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN SAVED:
                       Acts 2:41, 8:37, 10:47, 16:31-33.


            A packet of memory cards on the doctrine of Christ might
contain this outline:
                    1.VERSES ON THE VIRGIN BIRTH OF
                       CHRIST: Isaiah 7:14; Jeremiah 31:22; Matthew
1:23; Luke 1:27;
                       Hebrews 10:5.

                    2.VERSES ON THE DEITY OF CHRIST:
                       Proverbs 30:4; Isaiah 9:6; Micah 5:2; Matthew
1:23, Acts 7:59,60,
                       16:31,34; Romans 9:5, I Timothy 3:16; Hebrews
1:8; 1 John 5:20.

                    3.VERSES ON THE BLOOD OF CHRIST:
                       Exodus 12:13; Leviticus 17:11; Matthew 26:28;
Ephesians 1:7;
                       Colossians 1:13, 14,20; Hebrews 10:18,19; 1 Peter
1:18,19; 1 John 1:7;
                       Revelation 1:5, 5:9.

                    4.VERSES ON THE RESURRECTION OF CHRIST:
                       Matthew 28:6; Mark 16:6; John 2:19; Acts 2:23,24,
3:15, 5:30; Romans
                       1:4, 4:25, 10:9,10; 1 Corinthians 15:3,4;
Philippians 3:10; Colossians 3:1;
                       1 Thessalonians 1:10; Hebrews 13:20, Revelation
1:18.


             One desiring to be equipped to prove the reliability of the
Bible would memorize verses having to
          do with inspiration. A few might be: Exodus 24: 4; 2 Samuel
23:2; Psalm 119:.1l,105,130; Jeremiah
          1:9, 30:2; Matthew 4:4; 2 Timothy 3:16; 2 Peter 1:20,21.

             Dr. Van Impe recommends quoting each verse in the first
packet aloud, seven times daily for one
          week. The second week this can be cut to twice each day. The
third week once daily will be
          sufficient.

             Meanwhile, a second packet, of perhaps 20 cards, has been
added on the second week and the
          verses are being reviewed seven times daily while going over
the first packet twice.

            By the fourth week, the original packet will only need to be
reviewed one time weekly. That should
          be continued for three months. After that, a monthly refresher
will be sufficient. (All the while each
          new system is following this pattern.) Finally when a packet
of cards is completely mastered, a review
          once in three months will be enough. Dr. Van Impe now reviews
the New Testament every four
          months.

             If all this seems like a lot of work, it should. However,
the use of the card packets will allow much
          of the work to be done in hours that otherwise would have been
whiled away in less profitable
          pastimes. Any time of waiting can be time in the Word.

             As has been mentioned, Dr. Van Impe has used few memory
aids. Occasionally, he has taken the
          first letters of a list of names (such as the names of the
twelve tribes of Israel) and arranged them into
          one word. That word, then, no matter how strange sounding,
enabled him to remember the entire list.
          He advises creativity whenever it can be helpful. No amount of
memory aids, however, can replace
          self-discipline. Without that, any memory plan will fail.

i agree that categorizing the verses is an easy way to
remember them.  It is also an easy way to learn the bible...
like in a concordance... and the different meanings we can
get from the same word.  Keep up the good work.
peace, mmg
http://members.aol.com/gabriel384/peace.html

Robyn Meyer wrote:
>
> Hi people,
>
> I was just wondering.. I've only been memorising for a few months but
> I've taken verses from all over the Bible and I've noticed a few
> difficulties with this. For the first ten or so verses I memorised I
> could easily recall them all in the order in which I learnt them which I
> liked because it meant I could review all the verses I know even if I
> didn't have my cards with me. However, as the time's gone on I've
> decided that way isn't very appropriate because the verses aren't in an
> particular order and often don't have much to do with each other. Also,
> there are too many to do that with now.
>
> I thought up a few different categories for the verses I had (three
> groups with six categories in each) so, for example, the first group
> has: self worth, Christian living, temptation, prayer, God's will and
> trust in it. And then I put my verses into those categories. I'm not
> sure if this is a good way of doing it or not. My reasons for doing so
> is to have the verses arranged in my head in some sort of order, so that
> I can recall the specific verses when I need ones on, say, trust or
> faith or something. I haven't spent long memorising the categories or
> the verses in each one yet but I was wondering what others thought of
> this idea. Do you think it's a good one or does anyone know any better
> idea? And, does anyone else think it's a good idea to have some kind of
> system for verses on the same topic or do you think it doesn't matter
> that much? I guess I would like to know that I can find all the verses
> I've memorised whenever I need then, in any situation even if I don't
> have my cards with me. And it seems unlikely (from experience) to expect
> that I'm going to be able to remember them all without having a system.
> What do you all think?
>
> Robyn
>
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Hi!

I'm new here. My name is Peter Reynolds; I live in the North of Scotland.

I memorised quite a lot of Scripture as a child / teenager while
home-schooled.

I would like to do more now , and to this end developed a computer program
for Bible memorization which is available free on my web site:
http://website.lineone.net/~reynoldsp/biblemem.htm

This program works with any text (.txt) file, so you can clip text from any
Bible program and save it using Notepad.  Then you type your text and if you
type the correct letter it appears on screen.  If not, it does nothing.  But
if stuck you can get the next letter using the . or ? keys.  It does all the
capitalisation, punctuation, spaces etc for you, so only the letters (not
case-sensitive) are important.

Have a look, try it out, and tell me what you think!

You might also like to take a look at Blythswood, the charity I work for; in
addition to aour aid work in Eastern Europe we have lots of Christian books,
new and secondhand,  at very good prices.  They are priced in pounds, but it
is easy for foreigners to pay using VISA or Mastercard.
http://www.blythswood.org.uk

Kind regards

Peter Reynolds
Lochcarron, Scotland

I prefer to review my memory verses in order of the books of the Bible.  I
have an Old Testiment Pack and a New Testiment Pack.  Once I have learned a
verse I place it in it's location within the review pack.  I alternate packs
each week for review while also learning 2-3 new ones.  So far this has
worked well.  Most of my memory review is done while I am commuting.  The
Bible book order keeps me on track.

A topical order sounds of value, too.  I will contemplate how to include
verse topics in my memory work.


Lorry
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Date: Monday, December 07, 1998 12:13 AM
Subject: Re: keeping track of memory verses..


>
>i agree that categorizing the verses is an easy way to
>remember them.  It is also an easy way to learn the bible...
>like in a concordance... and the different meanings we can
>get from the same word.  Keep up the good work.
>peace, mmg
>http://members.aol.com/gabriel384/peace.html
>
>Robyn Meyer wrote:
>>
>> Hi people,
>>
>> I was just wondering.. I've only been memorising for a few months but
>> I've taken verses from all over the Bible and I've noticed a few
>> difficulties with this. For the first ten or so verses I memorised I
>> could easily recall them all in the order in which I learnt them which I
>> liked because it meant I could review all the verses I know even if I
>> didn't have my cards with me. However, as the time's gone on I've
>> decided that way isn't very appropriate because the verses aren't in an
>> particular order and often don't have much to do with each other. Also,
>> there are too many to do that with now.
>>
>> I thought up a few different categories for the verses I had (three
>> groups with six categories in each) so, for example, the first group
>> has: self worth, Christian living, temptation, prayer, God's will and
>> trust in it. And then I put my verses into those categories. I'm not
>> sure if this is a good way of doing it or not. My reasons for doing so
>> is to have the verses arranged in my head in some sort of order, so that
>> I can recall the specific verses when I need ones on, say, trust or
>> faith or something. I haven't spent long memorising the categories or
>> the verses in each one yet but I was wondering what others thought of
>> this idea. Do you think it's a good one or does anyone know any better
>> idea? And, does anyone else think it's a good idea to have some kind of
>> system for verses on the same topic or do you think it doesn't matter
>> that much? I guess I would like to know that I can find all the verses
>> I've memorised whenever I need then, in any situation even if I don't
>> have my cards with me. And it seems unlikely (from experience) to expect
>> that I'm going to be able to remember them all without having a system.
>> What do you all think?
>>
>> Robyn
>>
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I have been enjoying memorising Scripture again, since visiting some net
sites a few weeks ago. I noticed someone mentioned memorising 2 John and I
thought "What a great idea! Thirteen verses and I can say I have memorised a
whole book of the Bible!"

I memorised a combination of NIV, NRSV, and the NET Bible from
www.bible.org. Now I'm working on Philemon. I find that this makes you think
about the Scriptures in a new way.

In my reading, I have been thinking what great examples John and Paul were
of spiritual leaders. They are kind and winsome, but also don't hold back
from giving a strong message to the people they were writing to.

Is anyone else learning passages at the moment?

David McKay
musicfl.net.au

Peter I was glad to hear of your Bible memory program.  I see it is for
Windows...Does anyone know of a similar program for those of us who are
primarily Mac users?

Peg

G'day all...

I've been memorising fairly short passages, including the references,
which I find helpful.  However, I'd really like to memorise some longer
passages (like whole psalms for example).  What techniques are people
using to do this?  My initial thought was to just break the passage
down into bite sized bits and learn them individually.  However I think
this would make it hard to recall the whole passage as it wouldn't
necessarily naturally flow in my mind.

Any useful tips would be greatly appreciated.

Tim.

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Peg wrote:

>Peter I was glad to hear of your Bible memory program.  I see it is for
>Windows...Does anyone know of a similar program for those of us who are
>primarily Mac users?


My program was originally written for Mallard BASIC on the Amstrad PCW, and
has been modified and improved for QBASIC on a PC (DOS/Windows).  Provided
one has some knowledge of  a "BASIC" for one's computer, or knows someone
who has, it can be modified to fit just about any computer.

Otherwise I'd suggest use a search engine such as Altavista (+Bible +memory
+Mac) to find a program.  I haven't done so.  When I first wrote my program
I didn't have access to the internet, but I was told by a couple of software
sellers that they didn't know of anything in this line.

Has anyone had any success in using my problem, or do those who have
downloaded it have any unresolved problems?

Regards

Peter

>Peter I was glad to hear of your Bible memory program.  I see it is for
>Windows...Does anyone know of a similar program for those of us who are
>primarily Mac users?
>
>Peg

Dear Peg:

I have the same situation. Will you let me know what we MacUsers do about
this? My address is issinfo.com.ph   or      riversinfo.com.ph

isabel G. tobias
85 xavier st. greenhills, san juan
Metro-manila, Philippines

Hi - my name is Vinh.  There's many reasons I've recently become
interested in seriously getting into Bible memorization.  One is that,
after being a Christian since 1981, it's seems easy to get "dry"
spiritually, etc.  Another is a couple correspondence courses I'm
taking: (1) Intro to Muslim Evangelism, where I'm learning that many
Muslims memorize the entire Quran before the age of 12!; (2) History
of the Church in China since 1949, where I'm finding out that many
Christians don't even possess a Bible and must hand copy and memorize
fragments of Scriptures!  Surely these two examples can be matched in
my own life if I can see the value of memorizing as the Muslims and
China Christians do!  A last reason is that I really want the Word to
become part of me.  It's like some music I listen to (such as d.c.
talk or deliriou5?): I enjoy it so much that I sing it in the shower,
quote it, think about the meaning of the lyrics.  It becomes part of
my everyday living.  And so may the Word if I absorb it like a sponge!

At present I'm trying to memorize Romans one chapter at a time.  I use
New King James because it seems that the older, more direct from the
Greek sticks in my mind easier, even though I do consult other
versions when I do a Scriptural study.  I did this 12 years ago as a
Grade 12 high school student, but I didn't actually get the entire
book memorized.  Now I'm trying to get one chapter down before
proceeding to the next, plus study the Greek meanings in Vine's
Expository Dictionary of NT Words in order to more fully appreciate
the meaning of the text, unlike in Grade 12 where I rushed ahead to
another chapter when I got bored.

Anyways, enough of rambling on.  Take care and God bless you all!

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>>Peter I was glad to hear of your Bible memory program.  I see it is for
>>Windows...Does anyone know of a similar program for those of us who are
>>primarily Mac users?

I am finding the NET Bible a great help in my Scripture memorisation
efforts.

I want to memorise a passage that is as easy to recall as possible, and is
as close to the best text I can get as possible. I want a version that is in
the grand tradition of the great English versions, [such as KJV, RSV, NIV]
and not something quirky and new. The NET Bible is a bit quirky in places,
but it helps you to understand the other versions.

The NET Bible can be found at http://www.bible.org and is copyright free. It
stands for New English Translation, but is meant as a version which can be
freely downloaded from the Internet.

Word 6 docs [in zip form] can be downloaded from
http://www.bible.org/netbible/download.htm

It has many great features, including thousands of notes explaining why the
translators adopted a particular translation, and it tells you which
manuscripts support which translation. Instead of saying something vague
like "Other ancient texts say..." as if it is far too difficult for us
geezers to understand, it tells you, for example,  that the reason some
versions say "you" and some say "us" is because the Greek words are only one
character different.

It often tells you exactly which manuscripts say "you" and which say "us",
etc.

I memorise an eclectic text, which is usually close to the NIV, but may owe
something to the NET Bible or the NRSV. I try to memorise a text which
allows for different interpretations, where this is inherent in the original
text.

e.g. John says in 2 John "For many deceivers have gone out into the world
who do not confess Jesus Christ coming in the flesh..." This allows for the
possibility that he not only has Christ's incarnation in mind, but also his
2nd coming. Some other translations don't allow for this possibility, which
is expressed in the present participle "coming" in the original.

Thanks again for everybody's inspiring emails. I really enjoyed Dean May's
post about memorising Romans, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, Titus, 1
Peter and John 11-17.

I am now on leave for almost 6 weeks, and look forward to finishing Philemon
and beginning 1 Peter, with God's help.

God bless you as you "meditate on his law day and night."

David McKay
musicfl.net.au

Tips for tim:
1. Start when you're young!
"Remember now your Creator['s Word] in the days of your youth, when the evil
days come not, nor the years draw nigh when you shall say: I have no
pleasure in them!"

2. Reading, reading and re-reading. Do it the old-fashioned way ... out
loud.

3. A little bit learnt is better than a whole passage half-learned.

4. When you think you know the passage, ask someone to listen to you,
realise you didn't know it as well as you thought you did, and repeat steps
2 to 4

I am a slow starter and only know Psalm 1, 23 and 2 John. But I am now 2/3
through Philemon, and am realy enjoying it.

God bless. It is a great way to really get to know God's Word.

David McKay
musicfl.net.au

Tim wrote:

>However, I'd really like to memorise some longer
>passages (like whole psalms for example).  What techniques are people
>using to do this?  My initial thought was to just break the passage
>down into bite sized bits and learn them individually.  However I think
>this would make it hard to recall the whole passage as it wouldn't
>necessarily naturally flow in my mind.


I think you have to learn bits of a length you can cope with, and then run
on in your mind from one bit into the next.

It helps to have someone you can recite to, or more than one person learning
the same passage.  I seem to remember our family learning whole chapters of
Isaiah over a period at Sunday lunchtimes.  Each person would start at the
beginning of the chapter being learnt and gradually add verses.  I
particularly remember learning Isaiah 60.  From memory, probably after 15
years:  "Arise, shine, for thy light is come, and the glory of the Lord is
risen upon thee.  For behold the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross
(or was it "thick"?) darkness the people; but the Lord shall arise upon
thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee. And the Gentiles shall come to
thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising."  I can't remember
what comes next, which is the problem with that method; you learn the first
verses of anything best.  But a lot of the psalms are not very long.  You
can even sing them to yourself if you are not worried about a tune.

I frequently find that I am not really listening when someone is reading
publicly, and then I hear something read wrong, and look at the passage.

The question is, does all this head knowledge affect my life?  And the other
thing, I have so much of it in my head that I don't really want to read it.
I'd much rather read something I've never read before.

Regards

Peter

As it's been said, you eat an elephant one bite at a time (though I don't
know that I'd want to eat an elephant...).

I've broken chapters into paragraphs and paragraphs into sentences and
sentences into phrases/clauses (I use my computer and print it out on a
sheet of paper I carry in my wallet). Then I tend to work on a paragraph a
phrase at a time from the bottom of the paragraph to the top (if you knew
me better, this would make perfect sense). I don't worry much about verse
numbers, just chapters (if I can find the neighborhood, I can usually drive
around until I find the house).

Also, I'd suggest you'd set an impossible goal and resolve to complete it:
even if you fail, you'll be farther along than when you started. Some
people get discouraged by not meeting their goals, but I don't worry that
much about "failure" (since I tend to learn a great deal in the process of
failing). I set some days aside just for review. After you fail to meet
your goal, take a look at all you _have_ accomplished, give thanks to God
for His grace, set a new impossible goal, and carry on...!

The benefit of this for me has been seeing the connection between
paragraphs and thus the overall structure of the book/epistle. It's a great
benefit for Bible study.

Grace and peace,
Bc



>G'day all...
>
>I've been memorising fairly short passages, including the references,
>which I find helpful.  However, I'd really like to memorise some longer
>passages (like whole psalms for example).  What techniques are people
>using to do this?  My initial thought was to just break the passage
>down into bite sized bits and learn them individually.  However I think
>this would make it hard to recall the whole passage as it wouldn't
>necessarily naturally flow in my mind.
>
>Any useful tips would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Tim.
>
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Hi Tim - I'm no expert, but I'm also experimenting with different ways
to memorize.  Now I'm trying a way where I take an entire chapter and
read it through out loud a couple times in one sitting.  And then read
the chapter a few times a day, usually out loud.  Lately I've been
trying to add a "rap" beat, or other forms of rhythm.  I remember a
few years ago I saw a rhyming Bible from 16-- or 17-- in Elisabethan
English.  Too bad there's no accurate translation in English that
really has a good rhymning flow.  The Muslims have an easy time
memorizing the entire Quran because of the rhythm of the Arabic.  They
call Muslims who've memorized the Quran a "hafiz".  (I've never met a
Christian "hafiz" who's memorized the Bible!)  Anyways, I usually go
through a passage a couple times a day, then after a few days try to
say it through without looking.  If I get stuck I just glance at the
text, and continue.  I try recording my voice into a mini cassette
player and playing it back.  (It's kind of fun, but sometimes I think
my wife figures I'm crazy!)

I few years ago, when trying to memorize Romans in Grade 12, I
recorded the book on to a tape, then let it play on "auto-flip" or
whatever you call it when the tape keeps going like an old 8-track,
until I fell asleep.  This was to get familiar with the book, and the
flow of thought of the chapters.  When I was trying to commit a
chapter to memory, I recorded, say, chapter one and dubbed it numerous
times on the tape so it kept repeating.  Then I'd play it before bed.
A few years later, I'd listen to a tape like this in the car.  It's
O.K., but you have to be careful that you don't "overdo" it, i.e.,
make yourself sick of the passage of Scripture!  This can happen if we
don't meditate on the MEANING of the passage.  I'm trying now to do
Bible study of the Greek words, meditate on the meaning from what the
Holy Spirit gives me, and also check out a few commentaries (like
Chuck Smith, Ray Steadman, Wuest, Campbell, etc.) at the same time as
I memorize.

Anyways, for all it's worth.

Vinh




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Peg wrote:
>
>>Peter I was glad to hear of your Bible memory program.  I see it is for
>>Windows...Does anyone know of a similar program for those of us who are
>>primarily Mac users?
>
>
>My program was originally written for Mallard BASIC on the Amstrad PCW, and
>has been modified and improved for QBASIC on a PC (DOS/Windows).  Provided
>one has some knowledge of  a "BASIC" for one's computer, or knows someone
>who has, it can be modified to fit just about any computer.
>
>Otherwise I'd suggest use a search engine such as Altavista (+Bible +memory
>+Mac) to find a program.  I haven't done so.  When I first wrote my program
>I didn't have access to the internet, but I was told by a couple of
software
>sellers that they didn't know of anything in this line.
>
>Has anyone had any success in using my problem, or do those who have
>downloaded it have any unresolved problems?
>
>Regards
>
>Peter

Peter,
     If you are interested in starting a project, perhaps a scripture
memorization program, please let me know.  I am a programmer also and I
would like to use my talents to help the body of Christ. ( Turbo Assembler,
C, Visual Basic, HTML, JavaScript, CGI, SQL)

Mark
paprophetaol.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Reynolds [SMTP:ReynoldsPlineone.net]
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 1998 9:17 AM
> To: biblememoryMyList.net
> Subject: Program for Mac Users
>
> Peg wrote:
>
> >Peter I was glad to hear of your Bible memory program.  I see it is for
> >Windows...Does anyone know of a similar program for those of us who are
> >primarily Mac users?
>
>
> My program was originally written for Mallard BASIC on the Amstrad PCW,
> and
> has been modified and improved for QBASIC on a PC (DOS/Windows).  Provided
> one has some knowledge of  a "BASIC" for one's computer, or knows someone
> who has, it can be modified to fit just about any computer.
>
> Otherwise I'd suggest use a search engine such as Altavista (+Bible
> +memory
> +Mac) to find a program.  I haven't done so.  When I first wrote my
> program
> I didn't have access to the internet, but I was told by a couple of
> software
> sellers that they didn't know of anything in this line.
>
> Has anyone had any success in using my problem, or do those who have
> downloaded it have any unresolved problems?
>
> Regards
>
> Peter
>
>
>
>

Mark

Yes, I'm interested in getting my program (at
http://website.lineone.net/~reynoldsp/biblemem.htm ) into a form where it
starts itself without using QBasic etc.  Please have a look at it in order
to understand its current features.  I still think my idea of using text
files is the best.  No copyright complications for one thing.

Someone wants "a feature where one could go into "review mode" and simply
type the 1st letter of each word and have it appear".

Then perhaps a Mac version, a Linux version....

Thanks for your offer to help.

Regards

Peter
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From: Thompson, Mark (HT-EX) 
To: 
Sent: 18 December 1998 13:42
Subject: RE: Program for Mac Users


>Peter,
>     If you are interested in starting a project, perhaps a scripture
>memorization program, please let me know.  I am a programmer also and I
>would like to use my talents to help the body of Christ. ( Turbo Assembler,
>C, Visual Basic, HTML, JavaScript, CGI, SQL)
>
>Mark
>paprophetaol.com
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Peter Reynolds [SMTP:ReynoldsPlineone.net]
>> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 1998 9:17 AM
>> To: biblememoryMyList.net
>> Subject: Program for Mac Users
>>
>> Peg wrote:
>>
>> >Peter I was glad to hear of your Bible memory program.  I see it is for
>> >Windows...Does anyone know of a similar program for those of us who are
>> >primarily Mac users?
>>
>>
>> My program was originally written for Mallard BASIC on the Amstrad PCW,
>> and
>> has been modified and improved for QBASIC on a PC (DOS/Windows).
Provided
>> one has some knowledge of  a "BASIC" for one's computer, or knows someone
>> who has, it can be modified to fit just about any computer.
>>
>> Otherwise I'd suggest use a search engine such as Altavista (+Bible
>> +memory
>> +Mac) to find a program.  I haven't done so.  When I first wrote my
>> program
>> I didn't have access to the internet, but I was told by a couple of
>> software
>> sellers that they didn't know of anything in this line.
>>
>> Has anyone had any success in using my problem, or do those who have
>> downloaded it have any unresolved problems?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

Vinh writes:
>The Muslims have an easy time
>memorizing the entire Quran because of the rhythm of the Arabic.  They
>call Muslims who've memorized the Quran a "hafiz".  (I've never met a
>Christian "hafiz" who's memorized the Bible!)

Remember, too, that the Quran is only around 2/3-4/5 the size of the New
Testament!


Vinh continues:
>I few years ago, when trying to memorize Romans in Grade 12, I
>recorded the book on to a tape, then let it play on...
>...This was to get familiar with the book, and the
>flow of thought of the chapters.

I have had some success with something similar -- actually writing down an
outline and memorizing that first. Then there is a "framework" in my mind
to "hang" the verses on, and act as a coach to prod me on to the next
section. This is similar to the way that Evangelism Explosion's training
works -- they have you learn a simple outline of a Gospel message, then
fill in more details later.

The next key for me (after I have learned the framework, and the scripture
in bite-sized chunks) is to re-learn the transitional verses -- how to get
from one section to the next.


Vinh also writes:
>A few years later, I'd listen to a tape like this in the car.  It's
>O.K., but you have to be careful that you don't "overdo" it, i.e.,
>make yourself sick of the passage of Scripture!

and Peter writes:
>I can't remember
>what comes next, which is the problem with that method; you learn the first
>verses of anything best.

>I frequently find that I am not really listening when someone is reading
>publicly, and then I hear something read wrong, and look at the passage.

>The question is, does all this head knowledge affect my life?  And the
other
>thing, I have so much of it in my head that I don't really want to read it.
>I'd much rather read something I've never read before.

I see myself in all of these statements! At first the memory work is
exciting, I meditate on the Scripture, learn about it, see it work itself
out in my daily life -- but then there often comes a time when it starts to
become drudgery -- I want to complete the work I have started out to do,
but I just have no motivation left for that particular passage.

SO...

What do you do when this happens?

Do you just continue to try to memorize the same thing, knowing that God's
word is living and active, despite your current frustration (or lack of
interest) with the passage? (Perhaps it is just a matter of self-discipline
at this point?)

Do you back off for a while on that passage, and try to memorize some other
Scripture?

Do you give up memorizing completely for a while and concentrate instead on
other areas of your Christian walk?

I find it easier to memorize "action" passages which tell a story. I am
in the process of memorizing the Gospel according to St. Mark, because of
the four Gospels, it is the most action-oriented, and flows from one
event to another, and so I can keep the verses in order easier.

A.C. Smith

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forward to trying it out.

Peg


In a message dated 12/18/98 8:58:07 AM, bcollinsiglobal.net writes:

<>

>4. When you think you know the passage, ask someone to listen to you,
>realise you didn't know it as well as you thought you did, and repeat
steps
>2 to 4

yeah.. I agree with this totally. I have a little tape recorder (what
are they called? the ones journalists have..) that I use to record
anything I want to remember (usually at night when I'm meant to be
sleeping) and I have started reciting my verses onto it and then playing
it back while I read the verses... so that I can make *sure* that I'm
saying them right; I so often *think* I've got it right but don't... the
tape recorder doesn't allow me to cover up any little mistakes... AND
... it's SOOOOOOO cool when I have ten or twelve verses on my recorder
word perfect... it's heaps exciting and encouraging..!!

Robyn xx


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I have been enjoying lots of John Piper's messages at
http://www.soundofgrace.com/piper.htm

and I especially enjoy "Thy Word have I treasured in my heart."
http://www.soundofgrace.com/piper97/1-5-97.htm

If Dawson Trotman could memorise a new verse a day for 3 years, making over
a thousand, then I reckon, if God permits, I could learn another 15000, if
he gives me another 45 years!

So far, I have begun 2 John and Philemon. I can repeat them with a little
prompting, but don't know them as well as passages which I have recited for
years, such as Psalm 1 and Psalm 23.

This morning while doing the lawnmowing [our grass and weeds look very green
at the moment!] I found that I couldn't concentrate on mowing and recite the
2 newbies, but I could easily do it with passages that had been on the hard
drive for a while. I concluded that I don't really know those 2 little books
as well as I had thought I did.

I have now begun 1 Peter. What a precious book! But it has over 100 verses,
so it may be May before I have been through it!

John Piper has a great collection of verses for memorising at his church's
website: [Bethlehem Baptist Church, Minneapolis, Minnesota]
http://www.bbcmpls.org
When you get there, select "Fighter Verses"
God bless you as you meditate on his word, day and night.
David McKay
musicfl.net.au

Tough question!  I think I have tried a little bit of everything.  The most
successful for me has been to discipline myself to push on through the dry
time.  Usually if I give up on the passage I find I don't want to return to
it
later, and it ends up being much more difficult.  I keep in mind though,
that
overall, this is something I want to do, not something I have to do.

Peg

In a message dated 12/20/98 7:55:23 AM, htrsoftmidwest.net writes:

<>

Hi Sandi,

No, we didn't get this last year and I have never seen it before.  Thanks
for the reminder!

Cheryl Kaster

----------
> From: Sandi 
> To: ysic_sandimailcity.com
> Subject: Twas the night before HE came!
> Date: Sunday, December 20, 1998 2:54 AM
>
> HI, I am sending something I believe I sent last year at this time.
> For all who have received it last year / a friendly reminder.  For those
> new on my list this year...enjoy!
> Merry Christmas to ALL and to ALL a Blessed New Year in Christ!
> Love & Hugs, Sandra
>
>   TWAS THE NIGHT BEFORE HE CAME
>
> Twas the night before Jesus came and all through the house
> Not a creature was praying, not one in the house
> Their Bibles were lain on the shelf without care
> in hope that Jesus would not come there
>
> The children were dressing to crawl into bed
> Not once ever kneeling or bowing their head
> And Mom in her rocker with baby on lap
> Was watching the Late Show while I took a nap
>
> When out of the East there arose such a clatter
> I sprang to my fet to see what the matter
> Away to the window I flew like a flash
> Tore open the shutters and threw up the sash
>
> When what to my wondering eyes would appear!
> But angels proclaiming that Jesus was here
> With a light like the sun sending forth a bright ray
> I knew in an instant this must be The Day!
>
> The light of His face made me cover my head
> It was Jesus! returning just like He said
> And though I possessed worldly wisdown and wealth
> I cired when I saw Him in spite of myself
>
> In the Book of Life which He held in His hands
> Was written the name of every saved man
> He spoke not a word as He searched for my name
> When He said "It's not here" my head hung in shame
>
> The people whose names had been written with love
> He gathered to take to His Father above
> With those who were ready He rose without a sound
> While all the rest were left standing around
>
> I fell to my knees, but it was too late
> I had waited too long and thus sealed my fate
> I stood and I cried as they rose out of sight
> Oh, if only I had been ready tonight
>
> In the words of this poem the message is clear
> The coming of Jesus is now drawing near
> There's only one life and when comes that last call
> We'll find the Bible was true after all.
>
>
>

I enjoy Bible memory and find short-term memory very easy.  However, I
have to put something down and then go back to it after about a month
and review it heavily.  Then maybe several years later.  Then it is
usually there for good.

I have found it difficult to memorize long passages in the NIV (my
preferred version now) when I run across a verse that I already know in
the KJV (from childhood).  Anyone have suggestions on switching like
that.

A suggestion I have for those who know or are learning a second
language, memorize passages in the new language, looking up any words or
conjugations you don't understand.  It will help you learn the new
language as well as give you a very good understanding of the passage as
the ideas are often presented in a slightly different order and
sometimes the nature of pronouns and word order are clearer through
another language.

Hi there,
I hope this list is up and running.  My name is April and I want to get =
back to Scripture memory after being away from it for several years. I =
am a stay at home mom of 2 boys, ages 3 and 11 mos.   I was in the =
Navigators in college, and I was so encouraged by the Topical Memory =
system, but I haven't reviewed in years, and I am interested in hiding =
the Word in my heart.  I would be interested in learning from you all as =
to tips and techniques.  I also would love info. on finding a Nav. style =
verse pack to carry with me. =20
Thanks in advance, April in Maine