Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 06:49:51 -0700 (MST) Subject: keeping track of memory verses.. From: "Robyn Meyer" Hi people, I was just wondering.. I've only been memorising for a few months but I've taken verses from all over the Bible and I've noticed a few difficulties with this. For the first ten or so verses I memorised I could easily recall them all in the order in which I learnt them which I liked because it meant I could review all the verses I know even if I didn't have my cards with me. However, as the time's gone on I've decided that way isn't very appropriate because the verses aren't in an particular order and often don't have much to do with each other. Also, there are too many to do that with now. I thought up a few different categories for the verses I had (three groups with six categories in each) so, for example, the first group has: self worth, Christian living, temptation, prayer, God's will and trust in it. And then I put my verses into those categories. I'm not sure if this is a good way of doing it or not. My reasons for doing so is to have the verses arranged in my head in some sort of order, so that I can recall the specific verses when I need ones on, say, trust or faith or something. I haven't spent long memorising the categories or the verses in each one yet but I was wondering what others thought of this idea. Do you think it's a good one or does anyone know any better idea? And, does anyone else think it's a good idea to have some kind of system for verses on the same topic or do you think it doesn't matter that much? I guess I would like to know that I can find all the verses I've memorised whenever I need then, in any situation even if I don't have my cards with me. And it seems unlikely (from experience) to expect that I'm going to be able to remember them all without having a system. What do you all think? Robyn ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com =============================================================================== Sent: Thursday, December 03, 1998 8:50 AM Subject: RE: keeping track of memory verses.. From: "McGuire, Morris E" Robyn, I think any effort you make whatsoever in memorizing and obeying the scriptures is great. The "professional christian counselor" books in the market have verses organized by topic just as you've come to see is a good way to organize. Just remember that it is the Holy Spirit inside of you Who will "bring to your remembrance" those things our Lord taught you. You will be amazed at what you're able to remember when He's in control. Keep up the Great Work, Morris E McGuire 919-483-7612 - Office 800-420-7482 - Pager -----Original Message----- From: Robyn Meyer [mailto:robyn_rainbowhotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 03, 1998 8:50 AM To: biblememoryMyList.net Subject: keeping track of memory verses.. Hi people, I was just wondering.. I've only been memorising for a few months but I've taken verses from all over the Bible and I've noticed a few difficulties with this. For the first ten or so verses I memorised I could easily recall them all in the order in which I learnt them which I liked because it meant I could review all the verses I know even if I didn't have my cards with me. However, as the time's gone on I've decided that way isn't very appropriate because the verses aren't in an particular order and often don't have much to do with each other. Also, there are too many to do that with now. I thought up a few different categories for the verses I had (three groups with six categories in each) so, for example, the first group has: self worth, Christian living, temptation, prayer, God's will and trust in it. And then I put my verses into those categories. I'm not sure if this is a good way of doing it or not. My reasons for doing so is to have the verses arranged in my head in some sort of order, so that I can recall the specific verses when I need ones on, say, trust or faith or something. I haven't spent long memorising the categories or the verses in each one yet but I was wondering what others thought of this idea. Do you think it's a good one or does anyone know any better idea? And, does anyone else think it's a good idea to have some kind of system for verses on the same topic or do you think it doesn't matter that much? I guess I would like to know that I can find all the verses I've memorised whenever I need then, in any situation even if I don't have my cards with me. And it seems unlikely (from experience) to expect that I'm going to be able to remember them all without having a system. What do you all think? Robyn ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 06:49:48 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: MY S.S.A.D Memory Method From: "Roger E. Doriot" A SCRIPTURE MEMORIZATION PROGRAM DESIGNED FOR YOU ! 1. Decide that systematic Scripture memorization and review is important enough to spend some time on regularly. (It certainly is! See Col. 3:16; Deut. 11:18; Josh. 1:8; Ps. 119:11; II Pet. 3:18; Ps. 119:93.) 2. Pray for God’s help in disciplining yourself to take the necessary time, and to keep at it regularly. 3. Obtain 3 x 5 ruled index cards to put verses on. Keep a supply of cards on hand. 4. Write (or type) verses you wish to memorize on your cards - the verse on the ruled side, and the reference in the middle of the blank side. Start with some key verses that you know of, or get advice from your pastor or a friend on a number of verses to start on. 5. Keep a list (perhaps in your Bible) of verses you read or hear which you would like to memorize. Write these verses on cards whenever you have time. (Always have some good verses written out on cards ready to be memorized.) 6. Begin taking a few minutes daily to work on memorizing Scripture verses. Start with five or six verses. You do NOT need to learn the verses immediately. Just spend some time going over them each day. 7. Mark a blank card “Daily Review” as a cover card for the stack of cards you are beginning to memorize. (Use a rubber band to keep the stack together.) Remember, you must review these DAILY, if only to read over each one carefully. Some days you may be able to spend more time on them, but don’t miss a day of spending at least a few minutes on them. You will find them getting more and more familiar until you have some memorized after two or three weeks! 8. Determine a schedule for adding new verses to your Daily Review to be learned. You may want to add one every third day for a while, or once a week. Just make sure it is regular! (You may add more often at first, then later change your schedule to add less often as you accumulate more verses and need a little more time for reviewing them.) Write the date you start to review each verse in the upper right hand corner of the side of the card with the reference on for that verse. 9. Mark another blank card “Weekly Review.” As soon as you have any verse in your Daily Review stack learned well (so that you can quote it and the reference several days in a row without looking , transfer that card to this new stack. Review the cards in this stack just once a week. Write the date each time you review these on the Weekly Review cover card, so you don’t forget when it’s time to review them again. 10. Mark another blank card “Monthly Review.” When you have reviewed verses in your Weekly Review stack once a week for a couple months or so, you will find that you can recall some of them very well each time you review, so you can now transfer those into this new stack to be reviewed just once a month. Again, write the date on the cover card when you go over these, so you can see when it will be time to review them again. 11. As you move more verses from Daily Review to Weekly Review, you may want to eventually divide your Weekly Review stack into smaller stacks for several different days of the week, so you won’t have to spend so much time on any one day reviewing those weekly review verses. Likewise, later on you will want to divide Monthly Review verses into several smaller stacks and review on different days of the month. (Eventually, you can have a Weekly Review stack for each day of the week, and a Monthly Review stack for each day of the month. At that point, you will each day be reviewing your Daily Review verses, some Weekly Review verses, and some Monthly Review verses. However, it still will not take you a lot of time, because you will know your Monthly and Weekly Review verses well, and you will still just be going over your Daily Review verses for a few minutes, not taking time to try to memorize any verses in just a day or two.) 12. You will probably want to alternate reviewing the verse and the reference every other time. As you review each stack, after you turn over each card to check whether you said the words or the reference correctly, leave the card turned over so you will be reviewing the opposite side the next time. 13. Quote the verses you have learned, or are learning, to others whenever you have the opportunity. 14. Never quit reviewing the verses you have learned until you meet the Lord in the air and He gives you permission to stop. 15. Encourage and help someone else (many others, if possible) to get started in this program also. It will make it so much easier for you to keep at it if you always have some friend doing it as well, and you pray for, encourage, and check up on each other. THIS WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE! YOUR LABOR WILL NOT BE IN VAIN!! START NOW! (Let me know if I can be of any help or encouragement! And pass this on to others to whom it might be of help. Thanks!) =============================================================================== Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 22:03:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: Jack Van Impe Scripture Memorization Technique From: Tra Hall Expand this message to full screen for proper allignment! Vist Jack Van Impe's web site at jvim.com The Walking Bible In the minds of millions, Jack Van Impe has become "The Walking Bible," but it didn't happen overnight. Dr. David Allen set the example. His ability to quote the Scriptures in his work as a successful pastor and teacher convinced Jack of the value of memorization. The authority given his ministry by using Bible verses was easy to see. It is not surprising that one of his students decided to build on the same foundation. Jack was not the first Van Impe impressed by Dr. Allen's memorization techniques. Oscar Van Impe, Dr. Van Impe's father, had also sat through his classes and had been given Scripture memory assignments. The older Van Impe had tackled the project by arranging verses according to Bible doctrine and placing them on index cards that he could carry with him. It was a means of making double use of his time and changed many waiting hours that would otherwise have been wasted into profitable opportunities for storing God's Word in his heart. When Oscar went to Belgium he left his Bible memory cards behind. It was an oversight, but turned out to be a blessed blunder. Jack found them, very near the time of his return from backsliding and adopted his father's method. He's still using it today. As a student, Jack found the verses he programmed into his mind were like good friends. They came to his aid when he needed them. Assignments became easier. Witnessing, a natural experience. And, best of all, this army of Bible verses marched into his ordination examination and rescued him from hours of questioning by the ministers present. When he struggled with the decision concerning the main thrust of his ministry, it was those Bible verses, now leaping into every sermon, that gave him the confidence he was equipped to preach. During his evangelistic ministry, the power of God's Word has been consistently demonstrated. He attributes the characteristic lasting effect of his crusades to the saturation of his sermons with the Bible. Sinners are confronted with God's Word, rather than tear-jerking stories. The result is conviction and genuine conversions. Christians are moved to revival because they are forced to see themselves as God sees them. And that is what preaching is all about. Not everyone appreciates memorization. Even among preachers. One Ohio minister once told Jack that his Scripture quoting was leading him into a stilted form of preaching and would hurt his ministry. Today, that homiletical expert is out of the ministry after the church died under his polished preaching, while Dr. Van Impe is still quoting Scripture and reaping the benefits of its power. Encounters With Critics and Opponents Having so much of the Bible committed to memory has equipped Dr. Van Impe for encounters with critics and opponents. Members of cults who have come unsuspectingly to his door have found themselves at a loss to cope with his plain presentation of Bible truths. Representing the Michigan Sunday School Association in a 3-hour debate with an atheist and a Roman Catholic priest, on Detroit's radio station WXYZ, Jack quoted over 500 Bible verses in the first two hours of the program. The moderator was so upset at this domination of the debate with unanswerable arguments that he ruled that no more verses could be quoted in the debate. At that announcement, Jack stated that he would have to leave the program, since the purpose of his being there was to present the Bible. With an hour still remaining in the debate, the announcer rescinded his rule and allowed "The Walking Bible" to keep on quoting Scripture. The moderator of a radio call-in program in Illinois had Dr. Van Impe for a guest. He hated Christianity and claimed to believe only the Old Testament. When the broadcast started, he announced that even though this was a call-in show, he would accept no calls from listeners because he wanted to use the entire hour to tear the evangelist to shreds. He started his tirade by saying, "I can't accept the three-headed God of Christians." In other words, he rejected and mocked the Trinity. "Well, sir," said Jack, "since you believe only the Old Testament, I'll show you what that part of the Bible has to say about the Trinity." Beginning then at Genesis 1:1 and showing that the very first mention of God is given in the plural Hebrew word Elohim, he moved through the Old Testament revealing the truth about the Trinity. He pointed out that the plural word for God (Elohim), was used again at the creation of man (see Genesis 1:26), the Lord has a Son (see Proverbs 30:4), that the Lord speaks to the Lord (see Psalm 110:1), and that the Lord spoke of sending the Lord to the earth (see Zechariah 2:10,11). At that point, the distressed disc jockey decided it was time to open the program to the calls of listeners. On a network TV station in Missouri, Jack debated a college professor. The program started with the announcer telling viewers that the debate was between a Christian and an intellectual. Some put-down! But it didn't matter. After being bombarded with the Bible for 12 minutes, the professor surrendered and Jack used the remaining 48 minutes of the program to give his testimony. Some admirers of Dr. Van Impe's ability to quote 14,000 Bibie verses, including virtually the entire New Testament, look upon this accomplishment as the result of a divine gift. "Not so," the memory man replies. Others think he has a photographic mind. "Wrong again," he insists. What then is the reason for this unusual feat? "Hard work," he replies. Desire, Discipline, and Dedication There are three reasons why Jack Van Impe has become "The Walking Bible." They are desire, discipline, and dedication. Jack saw the benefits of being saturated with the Bible and he wanted them. Enumerating some of the results of such exposure to inspiration, he says, "The Word gives us victory over sin (see Psalm 119:11). It makes us clean (see John 15:3). It is the source of faith (see Romans 10:17). It brings blessing (see Revelatian 1:3)." (You can tell that he is just beginning to warm to his subject.) He has experienced the difference in his own life. The words of the Bible are no longer just promises for plaques on the wall, nor catchy texts for sermons. They are part and fiber of his very being. He has developed the necessary self-discipline to make his goal attainable. Like Paul, he has mastered his body (see 1 Corinthians 9:27). Depriving himself of relaxation and sometimes sleep, he has always kept up his memorization of the Bible. With his pressing schedule, it would have been easier to forget those two hours of daily memorization. But ease was not his aim. He wanted to be a man of the Word. Dr. Van Impe says he spent about 35,000 hours in memorizing 14,000 verses. And that time was all invested for the glory of God. There were no contests to win. No awards to receive. No one challenged him to a memory marathon. His service for Christ here was just as real to him as preaching or leading a soul to Christ. The Scripture memory time was a sacred rendezvous. There were few memory gimmicks used to achieve his goal. The important dimension to this accomplishment was, and is, dedication. Eager to have others memorize the Bible, Dr. Van Impe has been willing to share the method that has made him "The Walking Bible." First, he prepares index cards with Bible verses on one side and the references on the other. He generally prepared 50 cards at a time. Others might not want to make that many. The important thing is to get a start with some set number of verses. He suggests choosing verses by subject or doctrine, not by chapter. At one time, he tried memorizing by chapter, but found himself less able to use the verses quickly. He would lose valuable time working through a number of verses to get to the one he needed. Memorizing by subject or doctrine is more liable to bring verses to mind when a given subject is raised. Use a good concordance (possibly Young's or Strong's), and make a list of choice verses on the particular word or subject you wish to study. For example, you might take the word "save" or "saved" in studying the doctrine of salvation. Placing the verses on your cards chronologically will help to keep your thoughts organized. You may want to use the following verses: Isaiah 45:22; Jeremiah 8:20; Matthew 1:21; Luke l9:10, John 3:17; Acts 4:12; Romans 10:1; 1 Corinthians 1.21; Ephesians 2:8,9; I Timothy 1:l5, 2:4; and Hebrews 7-25. Memory cards could look like this: Side 1 Subject: Salvation Isaiah 45:22 Side 2 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. Side 1 Subject: Salvation Jeremiah 8:20 Side 2 The harvest is past, the summer is ended, and we are not saved. Side 1 Subject: Salvation Matthew 1:21 Side 2 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins. Side 1 Subject: Salvation Luke 19:10 Side 2 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost. Side 1 Subject: Salvation John 3:17 Side 2 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. There is another approach to the choice of verses for memorization that Dr. Van Impe calls "Subject Coherence." Here is a sample of that type of study: 1.Sin: Psalm 14:3, 51:5; Ecclesiastes 7:20; Isaiah 53:5; Micah 7:2; Luke 18:19; Romans 3:9-18, 3:23; Galatians 3:22. 2.The results of sin: Ezekiel 18:4,20; Romans 5:12, 6:23; James 1:15; Revelation 21:8,27, 22:15. 3.The remedy for sin: Isaiah 53:5,6, Matthew 20:28; Romans 5:8; I Corinthians 15:3; 2 Corinthians 5:21; Galatians 1:4, 3:13, Philippians 2:5-8; 1 Peter 2:24, 3:18. A good concordance also provides a means of cross-reference study on two subjects. By memorizing verses on both, a knowledge is gained about how the two relate. A set of verses cross-referencing baptism and salvation might be arranged with comments as helps in the following manner: 1.Why did Christ come? TO SAVE: Matthew 9:13; Luke 19:10; 1 Timothy 1:15. 2.How did He save? NOT BY BAPTISM: John 4:2, HOW THEN? BY BLOOD: Ephesians 1:7; 1 John 1:7; Revelation 1:5. 3.What is the gospel? 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. TO ADD WATER IS HERESY: Galatians 1:8,9. 4.How can one be saved? THROUGH FAITH -- BELIEVING: John 3:14,16,36, 6:47, 8:24, 11:25, 14:1, 20:30,31; Acts 10:43, 13:38; Romans 1:16, 4:3, 4:5, 10:9,10; l Corinthians 1:21; Galatians 2:16; Ephesians 1:13; 2 Timothy 1:12; 2 Peter 2:7. 5.Who then should be baptized? THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN SAVED: Acts 2:41, 8:37, 10:47, 16:31-33. A packet of memory cards on the doctrine of Christ might contain this outline: 1.VERSES ON THE VIRGIN BIRTH OF CHRIST: Isaiah 7:14; Jeremiah 31:22; Matthew 1:23; Luke 1:27; Hebrews 10:5. 2.VERSES ON THE DEITY OF CHRIST: Proverbs 30:4; Isaiah 9:6; Micah 5:2; Matthew 1:23, Acts 7:59,60, 16:31,34; Romans 9:5, I Timothy 3:16; Hebrews 1:8; 1 John 5:20. 3.VERSES ON THE BLOOD OF CHRIST: Exodus 12:13; Leviticus 17:11; Matthew 26:28; Ephesians 1:7; Colossians 1:13, 14,20; Hebrews 10:18,19; 1 Peter 1:18,19; 1 John 1:7; Revelation 1:5, 5:9. 4.VERSES ON THE RESURRECTION OF CHRIST: Matthew 28:6; Mark 16:6; John 2:19; Acts 2:23,24, 3:15, 5:30; Romans 1:4, 4:25, 10:9,10; 1 Corinthians 15:3,4; Philippians 3:10; Colossians 3:1; 1 Thessalonians 1:10; Hebrews 13:20, Revelation 1:18. One desiring to be equipped to prove the reliability of the Bible would memorize verses having to do with inspiration. A few might be: Exodus 24: 4; 2 Samuel 23:2; Psalm 119:.1l,105,130; Jeremiah 1:9, 30:2; Matthew 4:4; 2 Timothy 3:16; 2 Peter 1:20,21. Dr. Van Impe recommends quoting each verse in the first packet aloud, seven times daily for one week. The second week this can be cut to twice each day. The third week once daily will be sufficient. Meanwhile, a second packet, of perhaps 20 cards, has been added on the second week and the verses are being reviewed seven times daily while going over the first packet twice. By the fourth week, the original packet will only need to be reviewed one time weekly. That should be continued for three months. After that, a monthly refresher will be sufficient. (All the while each new system is following this pattern.) Finally when a packet of cards is completely mastered, a review once in three months will be enough. Dr. Van Impe now reviews the New Testament every four months. If all this seems like a lot of work, it should. However, the use of the card packets will allow much of the work to be done in hours that otherwise would have been whiled away in less profitable pastimes. Any time of waiting can be time in the Word. As has been mentioned, Dr. Van Impe has used few memory aids. Occasionally, he has taken the first letters of a list of names (such as the names of the twelve tribes of Israel) and arranged them into one word. That word, then, no matter how strange sounding, enabled him to remember the entire list. He advises creativity whenever it can be helpful. No amount of memory aids, however, can replace self-discipline. Without that, any memory plan will fail. =============================================================================== Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 22:03:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: keeping track of memory verses.. From: marmiga i agree that categorizing the verses is an easy way to remember them. It is also an easy way to learn the bible... like in a concordance... and the different meanings we can get from the same word. Keep up the good work. peace, mmg http://members.aol.com/gabriel384/peace.html Robyn Meyer wrote: > > Hi people, > > I was just wondering.. I've only been memorising for a few months but > I've taken verses from all over the Bible and I've noticed a few > difficulties with this. For the first ten or so verses I memorised I > could easily recall them all in the order in which I learnt them which I > liked because it meant I could review all the verses I know even if I > didn't have my cards with me. However, as the time's gone on I've > decided that way isn't very appropriate because the verses aren't in an > particular order and often don't have much to do with each other. Also, > there are too many to do that with now. > > I thought up a few different categories for the verses I had (three > groups with six categories in each) so, for example, the first group > has: self worth, Christian living, temptation, prayer, God's will and > trust in it. And then I put my verses into those categories. I'm not > sure if this is a good way of doing it or not. My reasons for doing so > is to have the verses arranged in my head in some sort of order, so that > I can recall the specific verses when I need ones on, say, trust or > faith or something. I haven't spent long memorising the categories or > the verses in each one yet but I was wondering what others thought of > this idea. Do you think it's a good one or does anyone know any better > idea? And, does anyone else think it's a good idea to have some kind of > system for verses on the same topic or do you think it doesn't matter > that much? I guess I would like to know that I can find all the verses > I've memorised whenever I need then, in any situation even if I don't > have my cards with me. And it seems unlikely (from experience) to expect > that I'm going to be able to remember them all without having a system. > What do you all think? > > Robyn > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------C182C3B6CC05EAA6B2387759 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="marmiga.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for marmiga Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="marmiga.vcf" begin:vcard n:Thompson;Marie tel;fax:213 765 0253 - call first tel;home:213 747 1159 x-mozilla-html:FALSE adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:marmigamarmsweb.com fn:Marie Thompson end:vcard --------------C182C3B6CC05EAA6B2387759-- =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 23:55:52 -0600 From: Val unsubscribe ---------------------------------------------------- You can respond to this e-mail online.If you have ICQ my ICQ# is 5737748.If you don't have ICQ you can page me through: My Personal Communication Center: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/5737748 (go there and try it!). Or you can send me e-mail to 5737748pager.mirabilis.com You can download ICQ at http://www.icq.com/ Have a GODLY day!!!! Val --------------------------------------------------- =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 20:04:06 -0700 (MST) Subject: Newly published program From: "Peter Reynolds" Hi! I'm new here. My name is Peter Reynolds; I live in the North of Scotland. I memorised quite a lot of Scripture as a child / teenager while home-schooled. I would like to do more now , and to this end developed a computer program for Bible memorization which is available free on my web site: http://website.lineone.net/~reynoldsp/biblemem.htm This program works with any text (.txt) file, so you can clip text from any Bible program and save it using Notepad. Then you type your text and if you type the correct letter it appears on screen. If not, it does nothing. But if stuck you can get the next letter using the . or ? keys. It does all the capitalisation, punctuation, spaces etc for you, so only the letters (not case-sensitive) are important. Have a look, try it out, and tell me what you think! You might also like to take a look at Blythswood, the charity I work for; in addition to aour aid work in Eastern Europe we have lots of Christian books, new and secondhand, at very good prices. They are priced in pounds, but it is easy for foreigners to pay using VISA or Mastercard. http://www.blythswood.org.uk Kind regards Peter Reynolds Lochcarron, Scotland =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 20:04:03 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: keeping track of memory verses.. From: "Lorry Schoenly" I prefer to review my memory verses in order of the books of the Bible. I have an Old Testiment Pack and a New Testiment Pack. Once I have learned a verse I place it in it's location within the review pack. I alternate packs each week for review while also learning 2-3 new ones. So far this has worked well. Most of my memory review is done while I am commuting. The Bible book order keeps me on track. A topical order sounds of value, too. I will contemplate how to include verse topics in my memory work. Lorry -----Original Message----- From: marmiga To: biblememorymylist.net Date: Monday, December 07, 1998 12:13 AM Subject: Re: keeping track of memory verses.. > >i agree that categorizing the verses is an easy way to >remember them. It is also an easy way to learn the bible... >like in a concordance... and the different meanings we can >get from the same word. Keep up the good work. >peace, mmg >http://members.aol.com/gabriel384/peace.html > >Robyn Meyer wrote: >> >> Hi people, >> >> I was just wondering.. I've only been memorising for a few months but >> I've taken verses from all over the Bible and I've noticed a few >> difficulties with this. For the first ten or so verses I memorised I >> could easily recall them all in the order in which I learnt them which I >> liked because it meant I could review all the verses I know even if I >> didn't have my cards with me. However, as the time's gone on I've >> decided that way isn't very appropriate because the verses aren't in an >> particular order and often don't have much to do with each other. Also, >> there are too many to do that with now. >> >> I thought up a few different categories for the verses I had (three >> groups with six categories in each) so, for example, the first group >> has: self worth, Christian living, temptation, prayer, God's will and >> trust in it. And then I put my verses into those categories. I'm not >> sure if this is a good way of doing it or not. My reasons for doing so >> is to have the verses arranged in my head in some sort of order, so that >> I can recall the specific verses when I need ones on, say, trust or >> faith or something. I haven't spent long memorising the categories or >> the verses in each one yet but I was wondering what others thought of >> this idea. Do you think it's a good one or does anyone know any better >> idea? And, does anyone else think it's a good idea to have some kind of >> system for verses on the same topic or do you think it doesn't matter >> that much? I guess I would like to know that I can find all the verses >> I've memorised whenever I need then, in any situation even if I don't >> have my cards with me. And it seems unlikely (from experience) to expect >> that I'm going to be able to remember them all without having a system. >> What do you all think? >> >> Robyn >> >> ______________________________________________________ >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >--------------C182C3B6CC05EAA6B2387759 >Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; >name="marmiga.vcf" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Content-Description: Card for marmiga >Content-Disposition: attachment; >filename="marmiga.vcf" > >begin:vcard >n:Thompson;Marie >tel;fax:213 765 0253 - call first >tel;home:213 747 1159 >x-mozilla-html:FALSE >adr:;;;;;; >version:2.1 >email;internet:marmigamarmsweb.com >fn:Marie Thompson >end:vcard > >--------------C182C3B6CC05EAA6B2387759-- > > > > > =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 06:43:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: One book down, 65 to go! From: "One of the McKays" I have been enjoying memorising Scripture again, since visiting some net sites a few weeks ago. I noticed someone mentioned memorising 2 John and I thought "What a great idea! Thirteen verses and I can say I have memorised a whole book of the Bible!" I memorised a combination of NIV, NRSV, and the NET Bible from www.bible.org. Now I'm working on Philemon. I find that this makes you think about the Scriptures in a new way. In my reading, I have been thinking what great examples John and Paul were of spiritual leaders. They are kind and winsome, but also don't hold back from giving a strong message to the people they were writing to. Is anyone else learning passages at the moment? David McKay musicfl.net.au =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 06:43:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Newly published program From: Peter I was glad to hear of your Bible memory program. I see it is for Windows...Does anyone know of a similar program for those of us who are primarily Mac users? Peg =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:17:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: Memorising long passages From: G'day all... I've been memorising fairly short passages, including the references, which I find helpful. However, I'd really like to memorise some longer passages (like whole psalms for example). What techniques are people using to do this? My initial thought was to just break the passage down into bite sized bits and learn them individually. However I think this would make it hard to recall the whole passage as it wouldn't necessarily naturally flow in my mind. Any useful tips would be greatly appreciated. Tim. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Wundke Phone: +61 8 8303 6077 Analyst/Programmer - Electronic Commerce Fax: +61 8 8303 4403 Camtech SA Pty Ltd --- Level 8, 10 Pulteney Street Adelaide SA 5000, Australia --- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:17:24 -0700 (MST) Subject: Program for Mac Users From: "Peter Reynolds" Peg wrote: >Peter I was glad to hear of your Bible memory program. I see it is for >Windows...Does anyone know of a similar program for those of us who are >primarily Mac users? My program was originally written for Mallard BASIC on the Amstrad PCW, and has been modified and improved for QBASIC on a PC (DOS/Windows). Provided one has some knowledge of a "BASIC" for one's computer, or knows someone who has, it can be modified to fit just about any computer. Otherwise I'd suggest use a search engine such as Altavista (+Bible +memory +Mac) to find a program. I haven't done so. When I first wrote my program I didn't have access to the internet, but I was told by a couple of software sellers that they didn't know of anything in this line. Has anyone had any success in using my problem, or do those who have downloaded it have any unresolved problems? Regards Peter =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:17:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Newly published program From: >Peter I was glad to hear of your Bible memory program. I see it is for >Windows...Does anyone know of a similar program for those of us who are >primarily Mac users? > >Peg Dear Peg: I have the same situation. Will you let me know what we MacUsers do about this? My address is issinfo.com.ph or riversinfo.com.ph isabel G. tobias 85 xavier st. greenhills, san juan Metro-manila, Philippines =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:17:22 -0700 (MST) Subject: Y I M getting into Bible memor'z'g From: Vinh Nelsen Hi - my name is Vinh. There's many reasons I've recently become interested in seriously getting into Bible memorization. One is that, after being a Christian since 1981, it's seems easy to get "dry" spiritually, etc. Another is a couple correspondence courses I'm taking: (1) Intro to Muslim Evangelism, where I'm learning that many Muslims memorize the entire Quran before the age of 12!; (2) History of the Church in China since 1949, where I'm finding out that many Christians don't even possess a Bible and must hand copy and memorize fragments of Scriptures! Surely these two examples can be matched in my own life if I can see the value of memorizing as the Muslims and China Christians do! A last reason is that I really want the Word to become part of me. It's like some music I listen to (such as d.c. talk or deliriou5?): I enjoy it so much that I sing it in the shower, quote it, think about the meaning of the lyrics. It becomes part of my everyday living. And so may the Word if I absorb it like a sponge! At present I'm trying to memorize Romans one chapter at a time. I use New King James because it seems that the older, more direct from the Greek sticks in my mind easier, even though I do consult other versions when I do a Scriptural study. I did this 12 years ago as a Grade 12 high school student, but I didn't actually get the entire book memorized. Now I'm trying to get one chapter down before proceeding to the next, plus study the Greek meanings in Vine's Expository Dictionary of NT Words in order to more fully appreciate the meaning of the text, unlike in Grade 12 where I rushed ahead to another chapter when I got bored. Anyways, enough of rambling on. Take care and God bless you all! Vinh Nelsen _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 06:42:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: Memory software for the Mac From: Bryan Collins QuickJournal is available for MacUsers. QuickJournal is a Personal Journal, Bible Study, Scripture Memory, and Prayer Guide. It's free when you register. http://www.macapp.com/ Grace and peace, Bc >>Peter I was glad to hear of your Bible memory program. I see it is for >>Windows...Does anyone know of a similar program for those of us who are >>primarily Mac users? =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 06:42:54 -0700 (MST) Subject: NET Bible From: "One of the McKays" I am finding the NET Bible a great help in my Scripture memorisation efforts. I want to memorise a passage that is as easy to recall as possible, and is as close to the best text I can get as possible. I want a version that is in the grand tradition of the great English versions, [such as KJV, RSV, NIV] and not something quirky and new. The NET Bible is a bit quirky in places, but it helps you to understand the other versions. The NET Bible can be found at http://www.bible.org and is copyright free. It stands for New English Translation, but is meant as a version which can be freely downloaded from the Internet. Word 6 docs [in zip form] can be downloaded from http://www.bible.org/netbible/download.htm It has many great features, including thousands of notes explaining why the translators adopted a particular translation, and it tells you which manuscripts support which translation. Instead of saying something vague like "Other ancient texts say..." as if it is far too difficult for us geezers to understand, it tells you, for example, that the reason some versions say "you" and some say "us" is because the Greek words are only one character different. It often tells you exactly which manuscripts say "you" and which say "us", etc. I memorise an eclectic text, which is usually close to the NIV, but may owe something to the NET Bible or the NRSV. I try to memorise a text which allows for different interpretations, where this is inherent in the original text. e.g. John says in 2 John "For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ coming in the flesh..." This allows for the possibility that he not only has Christ's incarnation in mind, but also his 2nd coming. Some other translations don't allow for this possibility, which is expressed in the present participle "coming" in the original. Thanks again for everybody's inspiring emails. I really enjoyed Dean May's post about memorising Romans, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, Titus, 1 Peter and John 11-17. I am now on leave for almost 6 weeks, and look forward to finishing Philemon and beginning 1 Peter, with God's help. God bless you as you "meditate on his law day and night." David McKay musicfl.net.au =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 06:43:11 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Memorising long passages From: "One of the McKays" Tips for tim: 1. Start when you're young! "Remember now your Creator['s Word] in the days of your youth, when the evil days come not, nor the years draw nigh when you shall say: I have no pleasure in them!" 2. Reading, reading and re-reading. Do it the old-fashioned way ... out loud. 3. A little bit learnt is better than a whole passage half-learned. 4. When you think you know the passage, ask someone to listen to you, realise you didn't know it as well as you thought you did, and repeat steps 2 to 4 I am a slow starter and only know Psalm 1, 23 and 2 John. But I am now 2/3 through Philemon, and am realy enjoying it. God bless. It is a great way to really get to know God's Word. David McKay musicfl.net.au =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 06:42:56 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Memorising long passages From: "Peter Reynolds" Tim wrote: >However, I'd really like to memorise some longer >passages (like whole psalms for example). What techniques are people >using to do this? My initial thought was to just break the passage >down into bite sized bits and learn them individually. However I think >this would make it hard to recall the whole passage as it wouldn't >necessarily naturally flow in my mind. I think you have to learn bits of a length you can cope with, and then run on in your mind from one bit into the next. It helps to have someone you can recite to, or more than one person learning the same passage. I seem to remember our family learning whole chapters of Isaiah over a period at Sunday lunchtimes. Each person would start at the beginning of the chapter being learnt and gradually add verses. I particularly remember learning Isaiah 60. From memory, probably after 15 years: "Arise, shine, for thy light is come, and the glory of the Lord is risen upon thee. For behold the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross (or was it "thick"?) darkness the people; but the Lord shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee. And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising." I can't remember what comes next, which is the problem with that method; you learn the first verses of anything best. But a lot of the psalms are not very long. You can even sing them to yourself if you are not worried about a tune. I frequently find that I am not really listening when someone is reading publicly, and then I hear something read wrong, and look at the passage. The question is, does all this head knowledge affect my life? And the other thing, I have so much of it in my head that I don't really want to read it. I'd much rather read something I've never read before. Regards Peter =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 06:43:01 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Memorising long passages From: Bryan Collins As it's been said, you eat an elephant one bite at a time (though I don't know that I'd want to eat an elephant...). I've broken chapters into paragraphs and paragraphs into sentences and sentences into phrases/clauses (I use my computer and print it out on a sheet of paper I carry in my wallet). Then I tend to work on a paragraph a phrase at a time from the bottom of the paragraph to the top (if you knew me better, this would make perfect sense). I don't worry much about verse numbers, just chapters (if I can find the neighborhood, I can usually drive around until I find the house). Also, I'd suggest you'd set an impossible goal and resolve to complete it: even if you fail, you'll be farther along than when you started. Some people get discouraged by not meeting their goals, but I don't worry that much about "failure" (since I tend to learn a great deal in the process of failing). I set some days aside just for review. After you fail to meet your goal, take a look at all you _have_ accomplished, give thanks to God for His grace, set a new impossible goal, and carry on...! The benefit of this for me has been seeing the connection between paragraphs and thus the overall structure of the book/epistle. It's a great benefit for Bible study. Grace and peace, Bc >G'day all... > >I've been memorising fairly short passages, including the references, >which I find helpful. However, I'd really like to memorise some longer >passages (like whole psalms for example). What techniques are people >using to do this? My initial thought was to just break the passage >down into bite sized bits and learn them individually. However I think >this would make it hard to recall the whole passage as it wouldn't >necessarily naturally flow in my mind. > >Any useful tips would be greatly appreciated. > >Tim. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Tim Wundke Phone: +61 8 8303 6077 >Analyst/Programmer - Electronic Commerce Fax: +61 8 8303 4403 >Camtech SA Pty Ltd > --- Level 8, 10 Pulteney Street Adelaide SA 5000, Australia --- >------------------------------------------------------------------------- =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 06:43:08 -0700 (MST) Subject: reply to Tim From: Vinh Nelsen Hi Tim - I'm no expert, but I'm also experimenting with different ways to memorize. Now I'm trying a way where I take an entire chapter and read it through out loud a couple times in one sitting. And then read the chapter a few times a day, usually out loud. Lately I've been trying to add a "rap" beat, or other forms of rhythm. I remember a few years ago I saw a rhyming Bible from 16-- or 17-- in Elisabethan English. Too bad there's no accurate translation in English that really has a good rhymning flow. The Muslims have an easy time memorizing the entire Quran because of the rhythm of the Arabic. They call Muslims who've memorized the Quran a "hafiz". (I've never met a Christian "hafiz" who's memorized the Bible!) Anyways, I usually go through a passage a couple times a day, then after a few days try to say it through without looking. If I get stuck I just glance at the text, and continue. I try recording my voice into a mini cassette player and playing it back. (It's kind of fun, but sometimes I think my wife figures I'm crazy!) I few years ago, when trying to memorize Romans in Grade 12, I recorded the book on to a tape, then let it play on "auto-flip" or whatever you call it when the tape keeps going like an old 8-track, until I fell asleep. This was to get familiar with the book, and the flow of thought of the chapters. When I was trying to commit a chapter to memory, I recorded, say, chapter one and dubbed it numerous times on the tape so it kept repeating. Then I'd play it before bed. A few years later, I'd listen to a tape like this in the car. It's O.K., but you have to be careful that you don't "overdo" it, i.e., make yourself sick of the passage of Scripture! This can happen if we don't meditate on the MEANING of the passage. I'm trying now to do Bible study of the Greek words, meditate on the meaning from what the Holy Spirit gives me, and also check out a few commentaries (like Chuck Smith, Ray Steadman, Wuest, Campbell, etc.) at the same time as I memorize. Anyways, for all it's worth. Vinh _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 06:42:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Program for Mac Users From: >Dear Bro./Sis: I have the same problem. Remember me when you have the solution. God bless! issah from the Philippines; issinfo.com.ph Peg wrote: > >>Peter I was glad to hear of your Bible memory program. I see it is for >>Windows...Does anyone know of a similar program for those of us who are >>primarily Mac users? > > >My program was originally written for Mallard BASIC on the Amstrad PCW, and >has been modified and improved for QBASIC on a PC (DOS/Windows). Provided >one has some knowledge of a "BASIC" for one's computer, or knows someone >who has, it can be modified to fit just about any computer. > >Otherwise I'd suggest use a search engine such as Altavista (+Bible +memory >+Mac) to find a program. I haven't done so. When I first wrote my program >I didn't have access to the internet, but I was told by a couple of software >sellers that they didn't know of anything in this line. > >Has anyone had any success in using my problem, or do those who have >downloaded it have any unresolved problems? > >Regards > >Peter =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 06:42:52 -0700 (MST) Subject: RE: Program for Mac Users From: "Thompson, Mark (HT-EX)" Peter, If you are interested in starting a project, perhaps a scripture memorization program, please let me know. I am a programmer also and I would like to use my talents to help the body of Christ. ( Turbo Assembler, C, Visual Basic, HTML, JavaScript, CGI, SQL) Mark paprophetaol.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Reynolds [SMTP:ReynoldsPlineone.net] > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 1998 9:17 AM > To: biblememoryMyList.net > Subject: Program for Mac Users > > Peg wrote: > > >Peter I was glad to hear of your Bible memory program. I see it is for > >Windows...Does anyone know of a similar program for those of us who are > >primarily Mac users? > > > My program was originally written for Mallard BASIC on the Amstrad PCW, > and > has been modified and improved for QBASIC on a PC (DOS/Windows). Provided > one has some knowledge of a "BASIC" for one's computer, or knows someone > who has, it can be modified to fit just about any computer. > > Otherwise I'd suggest use a search engine such as Altavista (+Bible > +memory > +Mac) to find a program. I haven't done so. When I first wrote my > program > I didn't have access to the internet, but I was told by a couple of > software > sellers that they didn't know of anything in this line. > > Has anyone had any success in using my problem, or do those who have > downloaded it have any unresolved problems? > > Regards > > Peter > > > > =============================================================================== Sent: 18 December 1998 13:42 Subject: Re: Program for Mac Users From: "Peter Reynolds" Mark Yes, I'm interested in getting my program (at http://website.lineone.net/~reynoldsp/biblemem.htm ) into a form where it starts itself without using QBasic etc. Please have a look at it in order to understand its current features. I still think my idea of using text files is the best. No copyright complications for one thing. Someone wants "a feature where one could go into "review mode" and simply type the 1st letter of each word and have it appear". Then perhaps a Mac version, a Linux version.... Thanks for your offer to help. Regards Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Thompson, Mark (HT-EX) To: Sent: 18 December 1998 13:42 Subject: RE: Program for Mac Users >Peter, > If you are interested in starting a project, perhaps a scripture >memorization program, please let me know. I am a programmer also and I >would like to use my talents to help the body of Christ. ( Turbo Assembler, >C, Visual Basic, HTML, JavaScript, CGI, SQL) > >Mark >paprophetaol.com > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Peter Reynolds [SMTP:ReynoldsPlineone.net] >> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 1998 9:17 AM >> To: biblememoryMyList.net >> Subject: Program for Mac Users >> >> Peg wrote: >> >> >Peter I was glad to hear of your Bible memory program. I see it is for >> >Windows...Does anyone know of a similar program for those of us who are >> >primarily Mac users? >> >> >> My program was originally written for Mallard BASIC on the Amstrad PCW, >> and >> has been modified and improved for QBASIC on a PC (DOS/Windows). Provided >> one has some knowledge of a "BASIC" for one's computer, or knows someone >> who has, it can be modified to fit just about any computer. >> >> Otherwise I'd suggest use a search engine such as Altavista (+Bible >> +memory >> +Mac) to find a program. I haven't done so. When I first wrote my >> program >> I didn't have access to the internet, but I was told by a couple of >> software >> sellers that they didn't know of anything in this line. >> >> Has anyone had any success in using my problem, or do those who have >> downloaded it have any unresolved problems? >> >> Regards >> >> Peter >> >> >> >> > > > > =============================================================================== Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 05:54:46 -0700 (MST) Subject: Long Passages (was reply to Tim) From: Eric Nielsen Vinh writes: >The Muslims have an easy time >memorizing the entire Quran because of the rhythm of the Arabic. They >call Muslims who've memorized the Quran a "hafiz". (I've never met a >Christian "hafiz" who's memorized the Bible!) Remember, too, that the Quran is only around 2/3-4/5 the size of the New Testament! Vinh continues: >I few years ago, when trying to memorize Romans in Grade 12, I >recorded the book on to a tape, then let it play on... >...This was to get familiar with the book, and the >flow of thought of the chapters. I have had some success with something similar -- actually writing down an outline and memorizing that first. Then there is a "framework" in my mind to "hang" the verses on, and act as a coach to prod me on to the next section. This is similar to the way that Evangelism Explosion's training works -- they have you learn a simple outline of a Gospel message, then fill in more details later. The next key for me (after I have learned the framework, and the scripture in bite-sized chunks) is to re-learn the transitional verses -- how to get from one section to the next. Vinh also writes: >A few years later, I'd listen to a tape like this in the car. It's >O.K., but you have to be careful that you don't "overdo" it, i.e., >make yourself sick of the passage of Scripture! and Peter writes: >I can't remember >what comes next, which is the problem with that method; you learn the first >verses of anything best. >I frequently find that I am not really listening when someone is reading >publicly, and then I hear something read wrong, and look at the passage. >The question is, does all this head knowledge affect my life? And the other >thing, I have so much of it in my head that I don't really want to read it. >I'd much rather read something I've never read before. I see myself in all of these statements! At first the memory work is exciting, I meditate on the Scripture, learn about it, see it work itself out in my daily life -- but then there often comes a time when it starts to become drudgery -- I want to complete the work I have started out to do, but I just have no motivation left for that particular passage. SO... What do you do when this happens? Do you just continue to try to memorize the same thing, knowing that God's word is living and active, despite your current frustration (or lack of interest) with the passage? (Perhaps it is just a matter of self-discipline at this point?) Do you back off for a while on that passage, and try to memorize some other Scripture? Do you give up memorizing completely for a while and concentrate instead on other areas of your Christian walk? =============================================================================== Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 05:54:44 -0700 (MST) Subject: Memorizing long passages From:ew C Smith) I find it easier to memorize "action" passages which tell a story. I am in the process of memorizing the Gospel according to St. Mark, because of the four Gospels, it is the most action-oriented, and flows from one event to another, and so I can keep the verses in order easier. A.C. Smith ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] =============================================================================== Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 05:54:48 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Memory software for the Mac From: Thanks for the info! I went right over and downloaded it, and am looking forward to trying it out. Peg In a message dated 12/18/98 8:58:07 AM, bcollinsiglobal.net writes: <> =============================================================================== Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 05:54:42 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Memorising long passages From: "Robyn Meyer" >4. When you think you know the passage, ask someone to listen to you, >realise you didn't know it as well as you thought you did, and repeat steps >2 to 4 yeah.. I agree with this totally. I have a little tape recorder (what are they called? the ones journalists have..) that I use to record anything I want to remember (usually at night when I'm meant to be sleeping) and I have started reciting my verses onto it and then playing it back while I read the verses... so that I can make *sure* that I'm saying them right; I so often *think* I've got it right but don't... the tape recorder doesn't allow me to cover up any little mistakes... AND ... it's SOOOOOOO cool when I have ten or twelve verses on my recorder word perfect... it's heaps exciting and encouraging..!! Robyn xx ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:50:03 -0700 (MST) Subject: Motivation for memorisation From: "One of the McKays" I have been enjoying lots of John Piper's messages at http://www.soundofgrace.com/piper.htm and I especially enjoy "Thy Word have I treasured in my heart." http://www.soundofgrace.com/piper97/1-5-97.htm If Dawson Trotman could memorise a new verse a day for 3 years, making over a thousand, then I reckon, if God permits, I could learn another 15000, if he gives me another 45 years! So far, I have begun 2 John and Philemon. I can repeat them with a little prompting, but don't know them as well as passages which I have recited for years, such as Psalm 1 and Psalm 23. This morning while doing the lawnmowing [our grass and weeds look very green at the moment!] I found that I couldn't concentrate on mowing and recite the 2 newbies, but I could easily do it with passages that had been on the hard drive for a while. I concluded that I don't really know those 2 little books as well as I had thought I did. I have now begun 1 Peter. What a precious book! But it has over 100 verses, so it may be May before I have been through it! John Piper has a great collection of verses for memorising at his church's website: [Bethlehem Baptist Church, Minneapolis, Minnesota] http://www.bbcmpls.org When you get there, select "Fighter Verses" God bless you as you meditate on his word, day and night. David McKay musicfl.net.au =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:50:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Long Passages (was reply to Tim) From: Tough question! I think I have tried a little bit of everything. The most successful for me has been to discipline myself to push on through the dry time. Usually if I give up on the passage I find I don't want to return to it later, and it ends up being much more difficult. I keep in mind though, that overall, this is something I want to do, not something I have to do. Peg In a message dated 12/20/98 7:55:23 AM, htrsoftmidwest.net writes: <> =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:50:07 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Twas the night before HE came! From: "Micheal" Hi Sandi, No, we didn't get this last year and I have never seen it before. Thanks for the reminder! Cheryl Kaster ---------- > From: Sandi > To: ysic_sandimailcity.com > Subject: Twas the night before HE came! > Date: Sunday, December 20, 1998 2:54 AM > > HI, I am sending something I believe I sent last year at this time. > For all who have received it last year / a friendly reminder. For those > new on my list this year...enjoy! > Merry Christmas to ALL and to ALL a Blessed New Year in Christ! > Love & Hugs, Sandra > > TWAS THE NIGHT BEFORE HE CAME > > Twas the night before Jesus came and all through the house > Not a creature was praying, not one in the house > Their Bibles were lain on the shelf without care > in hope that Jesus would not come there > > The children were dressing to crawl into bed > Not once ever kneeling or bowing their head > And Mom in her rocker with baby on lap > Was watching the Late Show while I took a nap > > When out of the East there arose such a clatter > I sprang to my fet to see what the matter > Away to the window I flew like a flash > Tore open the shutters and threw up the sash > > When what to my wondering eyes would appear! > But angels proclaiming that Jesus was here > With a light like the sun sending forth a bright ray > I knew in an instant this must be The Day! > > The light of His face made me cover my head > It was Jesus! returning just like He said > And though I possessed worldly wisdown and wealth > I cired when I saw Him in spite of myself > > In the Book of Life which He held in His hands > Was written the name of every saved man > He spoke not a word as He searched for my name > When He said "It's not here" my head hung in shame > > The people whose names had been written with love > He gathered to take to His Father above > With those who were ready He rose without a sound > While all the rest were left standing around > > I fell to my knees, but it was too late > I had waited too long and thus sealed my fate > I stood and I cried as they rose out of sight > Oh, if only I had been ready tonight > > In the words of this poem the message is clear > The coming of Jesus is now drawing near > There's only one life and when comes that last call > We'll find the Bible was true after all. > > > =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:34:06 -0700 (MST) Subject: Bible memory From: Christie Lohkamp I enjoy Bible memory and find short-term memory very easy. However, I have to put something down and then go back to it after about a month and review it heavily. Then maybe several years later. Then it is usually there for good. I have found it difficult to memorize long passages in the NIV (my preferred version now) when I run across a verse that I already know in the KJV (from childhood). Anyone have suggestions on switching like that. A suggestion I have for those who know or are learning a second language, memorize passages in the new language, looking up any words or conjugations you don't understand. It will help you learn the new language as well as give you a very good understanding of the passage as the ideas are often presented in a slightly different order and sometimes the nature of pronouns and word order are clearer through another language. =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:33:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: new From: Eric and April Mathis Hi there, I hope this list is up and running. My name is April and I want to get = back to Scripture memory after being away from it for several years. I = am a stay at home mom of 2 boys, ages 3 and 11 mos. I was in the = Navigators in college, and I was so encouraged by the Topical Memory = system, but I haven't reviewed in years, and I am interested in hiding = the Word in my heart. I would be interested in learning from you all as = to tips and techniques. I also would love info. on finding a Nav. style = verse pack to carry with me. =20 Thanks in advance, April in Maine ===============================================================================