Date: 19 janvier 1998 03:13
Subject: Introduction
>Hi, my name is Tamara Slover, and I am a 27 year old, stay at home mother
of
>four. I have been saved since I was 15. My husband and I live in a small
>Tlingit Indian village called Kake in SE Alaska, and we attend the
Salvation
>Army here in Kake and have been greatly blessed with pastors who love the
Lord
>greatly and want to do His work. I have a photographic memory and can
>remember scripture that I have read, but I would love to memorize more and
to
>develop a technique to use to help my children memorize also. The Lord has
>been after me to help the kids do this, and I am expecting that the joining
of
>this group will help tremendously. Another reason I want to memorize
>scripture is so that I can spout out scripture when the need to witness
>arises. (One thing that helps me memorize is writing down small
>sections/verses--maybe once or twice or more.)
>
>In His grip,
>Tamara
Would appreciate any info that you help me with. I would love to memorize
scriptures but do not do well
I live in Ashland Ky In Christ
George Crance
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Sent: Monday, January 19, 1998 6:39 AM
Subject: FW: intro
From: Willfrid Janzen
Dear Tammy:
Hello there. My name is Willfrid Janzen.
Sometime in the month of August while on the internet I came across a
memory program called SuperMemo. It is made in poland and seems to work
well with those who are only able to spend short periods of time
memorizing. I have been using it for about 4-5 months and have found it to
be helpful. The internet address is
http://www.supermemo.com/english/english.htm. I hope this is helpful.
God bless and Sincerely yours,
Willfrid Janzen
Trinity Western University
Phone # 604-888-7511 Ext.3057
Email - wjanzentwu.ca
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From: Tammie Walker[SMTP:twalkerManznet.com]
Sent: Monday, January 19, 1998 6:39 AM
To: biblememorymylist.net
Subject: intro
Hello
My Name is Tammie. I have been a Christian for many years. God is good
and has seen me through many things. One of the new challenges He has
given me is working with the youth in our church. I am to lead small
groups and encourage them to read the Bible daily, pray, and memorize
scripture. They are going to be holding me to the same standard. I am
terrible with memorization of any kind. My Main obstacle is time. I am
always on the run, and the time I do have is wasted on other things. I
need to slow down and take time to memorize and meditate on His Word.
Using the time He gives me wisely. Any help and encouragement in this
area would be appreciated.
In Him, Tammie
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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 06:39:52 -0800
Subject: intro
From: Tammie Walker
Hello
My Name is Tammie. I have been a Christian for many years. God is good
and has seen me through many things. One of the new challenges He has
given me is working with the youth in our church. I am to lead small
groups and encourage them to read the Bible daily, pray, and memorize
scripture. They are going to be holding me to the same standard. I am
terrible with memorization of any kind. My Main obstacle is time. I am
always on the run, and the time I do have is wasted on other things. I
need to slow down and take time to memorize and meditate on His Word.
Using the time He gives me wisely. Any help and encouragement in this
area would be appreciated.
In Him, Tammie
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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:55:31 +1300
Subject: Introduction
From: Matt Cassidy
Hello there List members,
I am looking forward in participating in this email discussion. I am
currently involved in a memory verse and will seek to positively contribute
to the group.
Regards
Mathew Cassidy
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Mathew Cassidy
Hamilton, New Zealand
Email: mcassidyvoyager.co.nz
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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 03:10:52 EST
Subject: Introduction
From: JCwuvsu
Hi, my name is Tamara Slover, and I am a 27 year old, stay at home mother of
four. I have been saved since I was 15. My husband and I live in a small
Tlingit Indian village called Kake in SE Alaska, and we attend the Salvation
Army here in Kake and have been greatly blessed with pastors who love the Lord
greatly and want to do His work. I have a photographic memory and can
remember scripture that I have read, but I would love to memorize more and to
develop a technique to use to help my children memorize also. The Lord has
been after me to help the kids do this, and I am expecting that the joining of
this group will help tremendously. Another reason I want to memorize
scripture is so that I can spout out scripture when the need to witness
arises. (One thing that helps me memorize is writing down small
sections/verses--maybe once or twice or more.)
In His grip,
Tamara
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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:58:07 -0800
Subject: Introduction
From: "Michael Jackson"
Hello to all. This is my introductory message. My name is Michael
Jackson (no relation to the "gloved one"). I reside in Orange county,
New York with my wife, six children, two cats and a dog, and work in
Essex County, New Jersey. I am the Director of Marketing for a law firm
with 61 attorneys practicing in labor and employment law. I accepted
Christ in 1976 when I was living in Illinois and have had an up and down
relationship with the Lord (mostly up!!!) since then. I stumbled across
the Scripture Memory Connection web site by accident and found it to be
very interesting and useful. I don't read my bible as much as I should
(or as much as I used to!) because of the many demands on my time at
home and at work. (I realize this is no excuse but it's the only one I
have.) I think memorizing scripture will help me to make the most of the
time I do devote to bible reading, prayer and meditation. That's all
for now; I don't wnat to go on too long. I look forward to
participating, contributing and learning from this group.
Michael E. Jackson
jacksonmgghlaw.com
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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:48:26 -0500
Subject: Navigator TMS
From: James Long
Obligatory brief intro..
My name is James Long and I began a personal relationship with Jesus in
about 1992, my sophomore year of college. I am currently involved in
ministering to college students on the campus of the University of
Kentucky. My life vision verses are 2 Tim 2:2 and Matt 6:33. I am working
on developing a small team of like hearted men who have a vision to reach
the world through Jesus' vision of spiritual multiplication (2 Tim 2:2).
Jesus has been, as of late, working with me on the principle of application
of the verses he has shared with me through memorization and in my personal
quiet times with Him. The objective is to be a doer and not just a hearer
of the Word and in the process deceive myself.
Enough about me, lets talk scripture memory...
Lasse Lukka mentioned the Navigator TMS of the late 1970's. The current Nav
TMS is not the "original" 108 passages that Lasse referred to. Since this
original is so nice I have put it in a MS Word 97 table that prints out
very nice on card stock. I then cut up the card stock and laminate the
cards. These are excellent. I would be more than happy to e-mail this to
those who are interested. For a small fee ($20 US) I can print these on
card stock, laminate them and mail them to you. The fee is just to cover
the cost of printing, laminating, etc.
One of my visions to help myself and others is to take this TMS and create
picture images for each verse. This is much like the company Memlock
http://www.memlock.com/ does with their verses. I had pictures for almost
half of the verses and then a computer crash (I now back up often) cost me
the whole thing. I would be interested in working with some people who
would like to assign pictures to the TMS.
Respond in person, not to the list, if you are interested in either the
"old school" TMS or the project of putting word pictures with the TMS (108
verse version).
James
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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 98 09:07:47 PST
Subject: Re: Back on the track
From: "Mark O'Hearn"
Our Baptist Church here in Saint John, New Brunswick, Canada has involved=
the majority of adults into The Navigator's 2:7 Program. It's a great =
program for Bible reading, memorizing and learning with small group discu=
ssion and prayer. It's great to hear that this program has received a =
global reception. I pray that you will enjoy reviewing this material onc=
e again.
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 09:42:21 PST
Subject: How to Memorize and "Not Spending Enough Time in the Word"
From: "Mark O'Hearn"
These two questions are common among Christians. How to memorize Scriptu=
re is the same as how you memorize anything else - review, review, and =
more review. As part of The Navigator's introductory study, the student =
is expected to memorize five key verses. Each day for about a week I wou=
ld review a verse during the work day (kept it on top of my computer). =
It's helpful to breakup longer verses in order to properly memorize. =
Try not to memorize using different translations unless you are able.
The reality of memorizing Scripture is to understand it takes effort over=
a period of time until the words are "second nature," and then, you must=
review periodically in order that the verses you have mastered are lost.=
There are, of course, some of us who have been gifted in this area and =
find it very easy to memorize. Let them be an encouragement for the rest=
of us : )
"But I am not spending enough time in the Word." How much time is enough=
? Often, we start reading the Bible with unrealistic expectations, or =
worse, we undertake the same reading program as another person, not takin=
g into consideration the differences between us (i.e., is he/she married =
with kids, work full time, mature in the faith, retired, etc). There is =
NO EXCUSE for not organizing our daily lives so that we can spend quality=
time in the Bible.
Really, it's the same as physical fitness. I see teenagers at my local =
YMCA trying the same program as some of the more advanced folks. And for=
a while they can keep up, but eventually they are discouraged by their =
lack of progress - they overtrained. May I suggest for anyone wishing =
to begin reading the Bible that they start off slowly. I have found that=
the excitement and need to read God's Word will grow on us over time, =
and the guilt of not "spending enough" time will be replaced by the joy =
of spending time with Him. Pick a time in the day (morning, mid-day, eve=
ning) and establish a realistic purpose and stick with it ! Over time, =
your daily lifestyle will become accustomed to this new "element" that =
you have decided is worthwhile to undertake.
As a father of two young children, with a full-time job & overtime commit=
tments, mid-week Bible study, YMCA weight training program, and all the =
other "life" responsibilities and pressures, I have found daily Bible rea=
ding rewarding enough to make the time. I encourage anyone with a busy =
lifestyle to consider what's eternally important, understand the differen=
ce between urgency and importance - spend time with God. All the other =
things - family, work, church, family & friends, and yourself (hobbies) =
- are all important to God. Let Him, through His Word, help you make the=
most out of each of these important aspects of your life.
In closing, I would encourage those who need the encouragement to start =
reading the Bible and memorizing Scripture. Don't be discouraged if you =
can't read every day. Just start and soon you will be amazed as the Spir=
it encourages and teaches you the wonders God has in store for you.
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 06:13:42 -0800
Subject: Intro
From: "Lee Tidler"
Greetings to all in the Lord!!
My name is Lee Tidler. I'm the mother of 4 older children, one in high
school, two in college, and one on her own. My husband has been unable to
work for several months with a back injury. I will be going to work in a
prison next week. All these are reasons I want to GREATLY improve my
memorization of His Word. As a young person, I memorized a lot, but have
been unable to do so as an adult. I can still remember all those I
memorized when I was young, though.
With children asking for guidance in today's world, I need those scriptures
immediately available. With the witnessing I expect in my new job, I will
also need them. I pray this group will help and I will be a more effective
witness for our Lord.
Bless all of you. I will pray for each of you in your endeavors also.
Lee
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:08:24 -0600
Subject: Intro and Re: How to Memorize and "Not Spending Enough Time in
From: Eric Nielsen
At 09:42 AM 1/20/98 PST, Mark O'Hearn wrote:
>These two questions are common among Christians. How to memorize
Scripture is the same as how you memorize anything else - review, review,
and more review. As part of The Navigator's introductory study, the
student is expected to memorize five key verses. Each day for about a week
I would review a verse during the work day (kept it on top of my computer).
It's helpful to breakup longer verses in order to properly memorize. Try
not to memorize using different translations unless you are able.
Hello, Mark, All!
I am the 30-year-old father of four (3 girls, 1 boy). I am also a computer
programmer developing software for precision Agriculture.
My goal for this year is to memorize the Gospel of John. Pretty big goal
considering I've never memorized an entire book of scripture before, but I
think it is possible. I just need to hit some milestones, and I'll have it!
I have memorized some long passages in the past, so this is not just
starting from square one.
Here is my strategy for memorizing long passages of scripture. If anyone
has any suggestions or comments, fire away!
I. Pre-memorization: Establishing a Framework
First, I read the passage several times to get an overall feel for the
pattern of the writing. Of course, this is easier to do with narrative
sections of scripture. I read the passage from different Bible versions,
trying to make note of any differences in translation. Of course, this
delays the start of memorization, but I think that it offers some advantages:
1. Before I begin memorizing, I have an overview of the entire passage.
Knowing the overall pattern helps to provide mental "cues" later when
actual memorization begins.
2. I am able to retain mental "footnotes" about differences in
translation as
I memorize the Scripture.
II. Beginning Memorization
Next, I commit myself to a single version of Scripture for the
memorization. I print out a copy of the passage (usually a single chapter)
without verse numbers and chapter headings. Since my goal is memorization
of long passages, I am not interested in memorizing these numbers (If I
want to find a specific reference for a verse later, I can always look it
up quickly since I know which chapter it is in).
Then, I read through the entire passage a couple of times out loud. This
offers several advantages:
1. I SEE the words in front of my eyes.
2. I HEAR the words with my ears.
3. SPEAKING the words allows my physical body to be involved.
III. Concentrated Memorization
At this point, I have a very good overview of the entire passage. So now, I
break the passage down into smaller pieces based on some logical division
of the passage. I concentrate on one piece at a time. I do all my reading
out loud. Gradually, after quite a bit of repetition, I wean myself off
reading the passage from the page. During the "weaning" phase I allow my
eyes to "cheat" by returning to the page from time to time. This allows me
to catch and rectify my errors quickly. After an hour or two of this, most
of the passage is memorized (although there may be some "details" missing;
for example, remembering something as "He said" instead of "He replied"). I
then spend some more time getting the "details" correct.
IV. Practicing Transitions
By now, the passage is mostly memorized, but may be very fragmented in my
memory. So now I spend some time determining which verses are "transition
verses". Since I memorized the passage by breaking it down, I need to learn
what the transition is from one piece to the next. Working on the
transitions "glues" the broken pieces into one complete passage. First, I
concentrate on just the verses around the breaks that I made; then, I
recite them until it feels like there is less of a break. For quite a while
afterward, the transitions feel slightly awkward when reciting. But by
knowing the transitions, each section becomes a springboard into the next
section. Gradually, the feeling of "breaks" in the text disappears. The
same process is used for remembering transitions between passages.
V. Review
The process above allows me to memorize the Scripture very rapidly (steps
II-IV above typically take about 2-3 hours for me to memorize an entire
chapter of Scripture -- in short term memory). The key to long-term
retention is review. I review in several ways:
A. Pattern Review
I spend time reviewing the general "pattern" of the Scripture. This is
most helpful
when memorizing narrative or the epistles, and less helpful when
memorizing the
Proverbs. I try to make up a title for each "section" (sort of like the
titles
above passages in some Bibles).
B. Transition Review
I spend time quickly reviewing the transition verses ONLY.
C. Duplication Review
I try to duplicate the Scripture as I have memorized it. I do this
sometimes by
RECITING (having a recorded copy of the Scripture is helpful for this,
since you
can hear your mistakes easily); other times, by WRITING the passages and
comparing
what I have written to the actual text. Duplication review is important
to help
you remember the details, the word-for-word text.
It helps to have a schedule for review, or at least a general idea of how
to do it. The idea is to review FREQUENTLY while you are learning the text,
then less frequently after it is more familiar. I don't obey this schedule
exactly, but the general idea helps:
For the first week, review the passage at least ONCE a DAY.
For the first month, review the passage at least ONCE a WEEK.
For the first year, review the passage at least ONCE a MONTH.
In practice, I find I have to review a little more often than this in the
beginning to retain long passages of Scripture.
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:31:18 -0600
Subject: Introducing . . . me
From: David Weis
Greetings and solicitations!
This is my obligatory intro. HELLO, this is me, is that you?!? Ya
ya, I'm funny, but mom says not to be proud about that, after all, looks
aren't everything. Thanks mom.
A little personal information may be in order. I became a Christian in
1979 when I was a freshman at Oklahoma State University. I now live
in Tulsa, OK, and no, I don't really know the Hansons! Not that well
anyway. But tell your kids they are pretty regular folks, and no, in
real life these boys don't look like girls. BTW, they just had added
another sister to the clan named Zoe.
I got involved in an offshoot of the Navigators called Insight
Ministries about two years after becoming a Christian. I spent the
next several years doing scripture memory, door to door evangelism and
small group Bible studies. I have since developed a serious "Bible
Jones". For those of you who were not into Cheech and Chong in the old
life, that means I just can't get enough of the Book. But I digress .
. .
I still fellowship with the same group of people who made up the core of
that campus ministry. I am 36 and have known some of these people now
for over 15 years. We eventually started to marrying each other and
now we are running our own school and educating our children together.
I count myself extremely blessed to have been added into such a
community of believers who love for and care for each other as we do.
Perhaps you have guessed from the tone of my writing that these are an
especially patient group. They certainly have been with me. ;-)
I am glad to be in a discussion group with some similarly affected Bible
junkies.
Bless you.
BinC (Brother In Christ)
David
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:29:24 +0000
Subject: First Posting
From:
Hello,
My goal is a closer walk with Jesus, but I also have a desire to join
or help organize a group that has the whole bible memorized. Each
individual would have some part of the bible memorized and ultimately
would we recite the word sequentially to the Word as a prayer /
sacrifice.
In the past have memorized a few chapters of Romans, the sermon on the
mount, and Jonah. During the time I was memorizing my life was the
most balanced it has ever been.
Mike AKA "Swami"
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:30:02 -0600
Subject: First Posting
From: "Greg Woodard"
Hello,
My name is Greg. I am new to this list (as are all of you!).
For a long time, I have wanted to be better at memorizing. I think a lot of
it is simply a tenacity to stay at it.
By the way, has anyone else had trouble with the Scripture Memory System by
Stehphen Sampson. I get a fatal error everytime I attempt to shut the
program down. Otherwise it looks like a fine program.
Also, I am testing out Super Memo 7 which was suggested by someone else on
the list. It looks like an interesting program. I will look forward to
hearing comments about these two fine pieces of software.
Rev. Greg Woodard
(Working in the banking industry).
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:22:41 -0400
Subject: self-intro
From: "A.C. Smith"
Self-Introduction to the Bible Memory List:
I became a Christian when I was baptized in 1963. The atmosphere of the
1970's caused the Sunday School teachers and youth workers to give up
assigning memory work, so I arrived at adulthood knowing only my phone
number by heart!
I have always loved to read the Bible since childhood, but I never knew
any of it by heart until recently.
I teach, among other subjects, foreign languages. Experimenting with
different teaching methods, I noticed that some of the more successful
ones involved various forms of memorization. In addition to lists of
vocab words, I began to assign poems for my students to memorize by
heart.
It occured to me that this skill could be used for something much more
valuable than secular poetry. I began to memorize hymns.
Several months ago, I found a box in my basement containing a Navigators
memory kit. It had five groups of twelve verses (60 verses total). I had
gotten it as teenager and never used it. I decided that I would get my
money's worth out of that kit after 20 years! Now I am almost done with
all the verses.
I agree with many of you on this list that it is better to learn
extended passages than isolated verses. When I'm done with this kit, I
want to tackle some extended passages. I'd like to know the first
several chapters of the Gospel according to Saint Mark by heart, and
some Psalms.
My hope and prayer for younger people is that they can do some
memorizing while their brains are still much better at it. I wish I had
done memorizing in my teens. The only thing I learned by heart then were
rock'n'roll lyrics, which don't have a whole lot of benefit later in
life.
I use flash cards, I write verses out long hand, and I say them out
loud. I also use the SMS software which the owner of this list
developed, and I find it quite good.
I'm married with one child.
A.C. Smith
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:24:02 -0400
Subject: difficulties...
From: "A.C. Smith"
I sometimes have trouble with litte "connector phrases" which vary
slightly but mean the same thing. For example:
"...in order that..."
"...so that..."
are common connectors in some translations (e.g., NASB/NASV). They mean
the same thing, and so I sometimes confuse one for the other.
Does anybody out there have any suggestions about how I can keep them
organized?
A.C. Smith
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:17:47 -0500
Subject: Intro
From: "Ed Pasley"
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:31:44 -0400
Subject: learning...
From: "A.C. Smith"
One unexpected blessing which was given to me through memorization was
an insight into English grammar. I noticed that some passages use the
word "might" and others use the word "may". Now, in everyday speech, we
often use these interchangeably. I thought that if I could learn the
difference between them, it would help me memorize better. Consider:
(a) There might be a penny in my pocket.
(b) There may be a penny in my pocket.
The grammatical difference is that "may" is a present-tense, and "might"
is a past tense, and because English uses its past as a subjunctive, it
also functions that way, too. Consider:
(c) "...in order that He might bring us to God." This is past tense,
because Jesus already did that.
(d) "...that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father..."
This is present tense, because it is about the life we are living now.
Once I understood this difference, it was much easier to remember which
was which in a given passage.
A.C. Smith
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:20:52 -0500
Subject: Re: difficulties...
From: "Stephen Simpson"
I agree that this sort of thing makes memorization difficult for me. I would
would add to the list
.. Christ Jesus ..
... Jesus Christ ..
... Christ Jesus our Lord ..
... our Lord Jesus Christ ..
i also mix up the words 'for' and 'because' as well as 'by' and 'through'.
I also would like to hear as many ideas I as I can on how to memorize such
material accurately.
Stephen Simpson
ssimpsonistar.ca
http://home.istar.ca/~ssimpson - The Scripture Memory Connection
A.C. Smith Wrote:
>I sometimes have trouble with litte "connector phrases" which vary
>slightly but mean the same thing. For example:
>
>"...in order that..."
>"...so that..."
>
>are common connectors in some translations (e.g., NASB/NASV). They mean
>the same thing, and so I sometimes confuse one for the other.
>
>Does anybody out there have any suggestions about how I can keep them
>organized?
>
>A.C. Smith
>
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 21:40:29 -0500
Subject: Re: difficulties...
From: "Lee Schaeffer"
-----Original Message-----
From: A.C. Smith
To: biblememorymylist.net
Date: Thursday, January 22, 1998 3:12 PM
Subject: difficulties...
>I sometimes have trouble with litte "connector phrases" which vary
>slightly but mean the same thing. For example:
>
>"...in order that..."
>"...so that..."
>
>are common connectors in some translations (e.g., NASB/NASV). They mean
>the same thing, and so I sometimes confuse one for the other.
>
>Does anybody out there have any suggestions about how I can keep them
>organized?
I often used other words in a verse to help me remember a phrase like
that. For example (and I'm making these verses up...)
"In order that we may overcome." If I remember the verse as "*o*vercome"
in it I can remember that the phrase starts with "in *o*rder that"
This works for some people while it confuses other people.
Also look to see if a certain phrase is used a lot in a certain
paragraph. There are some sections where it always uses "Jesus Christ" and
others only "Christ Jesus". If your aware that a paragraph is like that it
can help you a lot.
-Lee Schaeffer
lschaefnb.net
www.nb.net/~lschaef
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 21:33:22 -0500
Subject: Re: Memorizing large portions
From: "Lee Schaeffer"
Hi,
Some things that I find helpful when memorizing large portions of
scripture.
1) Don't worry about memorizing the whole book. Take it one chapter, one
section, or one paragraph at a time. It gets discuraging when you you keep
thinking about having to get through such a large amount.
2) After memorizing a chapter for the first time you WILL forget parts
of it. Sometimes so much that you almost feel like you never learned it. I
think it's almost better to learn a chapter, put it aside for a few days and
then re-learn it like you did before. After that you can start reviewing it.
I like what Eric Nielsen said about reviewing the Trasitional
verses...that can really help if you learned in chuncks.
If you do want to have some idea of what the verse numbers are in a
chapter (I'm someone who likes the know the reference for every verse), you
may
want to try learning the refrences to only the Trasitional verses. Then you
can quickly figure out what paragraph the verse you want is in.
back to work
-Lee Schaeffer
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:01:33 -0600
Subject: Re: Memorizing large portions
From: Eric Nielsen
At 09:33 PM 1/22/98 -0500, Lee Schaeffer wrote:
> 1) Don't worry about memorizing the whole book. Take it one chapter, one
>section, or one paragraph at a time. It gets discuraging when you you keep
>thinking about having to get through such a large amount.
Maybe it depends on personality. I like to see a whole book in front of me,
and realize the challenge that it represents. I want to see that I have an
ultimate goal. I admit that at times it can seem somewhat overwhelming!
What I do to avoid discouragement is focus instead on "milestones". I
always have the ultimate goal somewhere in the back of my mind, but for
now, my main goal is the next "milestone". Which, I guess, is exactly what
Lee is saying!
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 21:21:50 -0600
Subject: Re: Memorizing large portions
From:ie)
Hi Lee!
I have memorized chapters also. I prefer to know the references also. I
use simple index cards with the scripture on one side and the reference on
the other. I used to homeschool my two oldest children (of 6) and I taught
them to memorize this way also, only I had them draw a picture on the
scripture side to help them remember something about that verse so as to
include visuals.
I like the idea of memorizing then letting it "freeze" so to speak for a day
or so--that's something to chew on.
I prefer to memorize chapters because there is a consistency to the thought,
but I have also memorized many single verses just because they were
especially meaningful. I've never been sorry I have memorized scripture
since the Lord has used the rich stores of His Gold over and over and most
of all NO ONE CAN EVER TAKE HIS WORD FROM ME!! *smile*
Joanie
joanielx.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Lee Schaeffer
To: biblememorymylist.net
Date: Thursday, January 22, 1998 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: Memorizing large portions
>Hi,
>
> Some things that I find helpful when memorizing large portions of
>scripture.
>
> 1) Don't worry about memorizing the whole book. Take it one chapter,
one
>section, or one paragraph at a time. It gets discuraging when you you keep
>thinking about having to get through such a large amount.
>
> 2) After memorizing a chapter for the first time you WILL forget parts
>of it. Sometimes so much that you almost feel like you never learned it. I
>think it's almost better to learn a chapter, put it aside for a few days
and
>then re-learn it like you did before. After that you can start reviewing
it.
>
> I like what Eric Nielsen said about reviewing the Trasitional
>verses...that can really help if you learned in chuncks.
>
> If you do want to have some idea of what the verse numbers are in a
>chapter (I'm someone who likes the know the reference for every verse), you
>may
>want to try learning the refrences to only the Trasitional verses. Then you
>can quickly figure out what paragraph the verse you want is in.
>
> back to work
> -Lee Schaeffer
>
>
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:29:30 EST
Subject: Re: self-intro
From: AskJudySS
dear a.c.
enjoyed reading your post very much. i too had stopped memorizing Scripture
in the 60s & 70s. then in 1978 i was challenged re memorizing, and began in
the Psalms. the Lord was faithful, knowing my great need! He takes me from
area to area, wherever He sees the pasture is best at the time. only He knows
the heart of each one of us!
you mentioned hymns, and so i want to share that during a dark valley of my
life the hymnal became like a prayer book to me. i would sit and sing them,
going through the book from beginning to end, a few each evening. the faith
of those who wrote those words kept me going!
what languages do you teach?
look forward to reading more posts and seeing how this new biblememory
venture works to encourage the Lord's people!
in Him, judy for the mahoney family
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:35:11 EST
Subject: Re: connector phrases
From: AskJudySS
during initial intense learning i concentrate on having it right. i look for
little helps, such as if you write out the first letter of each word in those
verses, there might be a word spelled, or a progression of letters that sticks
in your mind.
when reviewing large sections (many chapters) if i find i'm still mixing them
up, i don't worry about it unless it causes me to get stuck on the entire
verse.
getting it word perfect from the beginning is helpful, because your mind
remembers the correct wording, even if you can't recall it at the moment. so
when you say it incorrectly, you get a mental "flag" going up, and it throws a
wrench into the gears. but once you can easily go with the entire passage, i
wouldn't worry too much about some of the variable connectors (as long as the
meaning is exactly the same).
sometimes it's a significant word that's similar in different verses or
chapters. for example in hebrews the words covenant and testament are
interchanged (in kjv). but i know these are the same greek word, so while i
try to get it exact (& my husband corrects me when he checks me now & then), i
don't punish myself over it.
sometimes getting mixed up about which way it's worded is the Spirit's way of
prompting you to think about that verse more deeply. the value of memorizing
is meditation and application to life, and learning to think God's thoughts,
pray them, etc. that's the part not to miss!
God bless!..... judy
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:43:57 EST
Subject: Re: difficulties...
From: AskJudySS
Lea writes:
<< Also look to see if a certain phrase is used a lot in a certain
paragraph. There are some sections where it always uses "Jesus Christ" and
others only "Christ Jesus". If your aware that a paragraph is like that it
can help you a lot. >>
yes, that helps me, too. sometimes a word order or phrase is only different
in one out of 5 verses, so remember which verse is the different on.
in hebrews reference is made in chapter 8 to putting the law in minds, then
writing in hearts, while in chapter 10 it's put in hearts then writing in
minds. i kept getting confused, until i made it a point to notice the order
was reversed, and in reverse alpha order (i.e., mind first in chapter 8, heart
first in chapter 10).
it's good at such times to stop and meditate on it. do i see His laws writing
on my heart, in my mind? am i letting Him put them there?
till next time! .... judy
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:09:25 -0500
Subject: Re: First Posting
From: "Ed Pasley"
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Woodard
To: biblememoryMyList.net
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 2:20 PM
Subject: First Posting
>Hello,
>
>My name is Greg. I am new to this list (as are all of you!).
>
>For a long time, I have wanted to be better at memorizing. I think a lot
of
>it is simply a tenacity to stay at it.
>
>By the way, has anyone else had trouble with the Scripture Memory System by
>Stehphen Sampson. I get a fatal error everytime I attempt to shut the
>program down. Otherwise it looks like a fine program.
>
>Also, I am testing out Super Memo 7 which was suggested by someone else on
>the list. It looks like an interesting program. I will look forward to
>hearing comments about these two fine pieces of software.
>
>Rev. Greg Woodard
>(Working in the banking industry).
>
>Dear Greg:Frist my name is Ed ,please e-mail me and tell me what type of
computer you are using,and try to solve your software problem.
Take care and God bless
Elder Edward J Pasley pasleyressurection.com
===============================================================================
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:50:34 -0600
Subject: Re: First Posting
From: "Greg Woodard"
Ed,
Thanks for the offer of assistance. Steve Simpson responded to my call for
held and everything is fine.
I just do not have much experience with DOS programs. All I needed were a
couple of suggestions.
All is fine.
If I have other computer problems, I will keep you in mind.
Greg
-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Pasley
To: biblememoryMyList.net
Date: Friday, January 23, 1998 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: First Posting
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Greg Woodard
>To: biblememoryMyList.net
>Date: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 2:20 PM
>Subject: First Posting
>
>
>>Hello,
>>
>>My name is Greg. I am new to this list (as are all of you!).
>>
>>For a long time, I have wanted to be better at memorizing. I think a lot
>of
>>it is simply a tenacity to stay at it.
>>
>>By the way, has anyone else had trouble with the Scripture Memory System
by
>>Stehphen Sampson. I get a fatal error everytime I attempt to shut the
>>program down. Otherwise it looks like a fine program.
>>
>>Also, I am testing out Super Memo 7 which was suggested by someone else on
>>the list. It looks like an interesting program. I will look forward to
>>hearing comments about these two fine pieces of software.
>>
>>Rev. Greg Woodard
>>(Working in the banking industry).
>>
>>Dear Greg:Frist my name is Ed ,please e-mail me and tell me what type of
>computer you are using,and try to solve your software problem.
> Take care and God bless
> Elder Edward J Pasley pasleyressurection.com
>
>
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:49:50 EST
Subject: Re: grammar
From: AskJudySS
dear a.c., grammar does give more insight for meditation! the richer the
grammar, the more food for thought! that's one reason i love to memorize from
king james. newer translations lose the subjunctive, as well as confusing the
grammatical second person. thanks for pointing out the past/present insight.
yes, He has already done that! ... judy
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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 06:27:04 -0500
Subject: Re: connector phrases
From: Suzanne Sauls
>
> sometimes getting mixed up about which way it's worded is the Spirit's way of
> prompting you to think about that verse more deeply. the value of memorizing
> is meditation and application to life, and learning to think God's thoughts,
> pray them, etc. that's the part not to miss!
>
> God bless!..... judy
Thanks Judy. I will remember this and not get frustrated as easy the
next time.
ysic, suzanne
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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 06:20:38 -0500
Subject: Re: learning...
From: Suzanne Sauls
may and might. Now those are two words that I have used interchangably
without a second thought. Thanks, A.C. for pointing this out.
I can tell that I have not really committed myself in the past to
studying and memorizing. You guys have me excited and worked up which
is a great way to be.
ysic, suzanne
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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 06:24:40 -0500
Subject: Re: Memorizing large portions
From: Suzanne Sauls
Joanie, when you use index cards, do you put the same amount of verses
on each or how do you do it?
I am concerned with overdoing it and then getting to a point where I
don't want to memorize.
ysic,
suzanne
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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 09:10:33 -0600
Subject: Re: Memorizing large portions
From:ie)
Suzanne,
The amount of verses depends on the text I have to put on the cards and the
"rhythm" of those verses. Sometimes if it looks overwhelming from the start
I will back off and put less on, just because I don't want to defeat myself
before starting. Besides, the whole idea is to put the word in my heart not
to race anyone at memorizing the most. That's why when I first started I
memorized the verses I liked the best--just a select few favorites. Then I
began to build into larger chunks at a time, then into chapters.
If you know that you get intimidated by looking at a card full- then it
would make sense to cut it back. Even the work of putting the verses on the
cards helps to memorize!
I also read the verses out loud and review, review, review.
I really liked the comment made by someone who said they read the text or
chapter over and over to get a feel for it. That was wonderful!
It reminded me of going to a precept class and the approach taken to
studying the Word.
By the way Suzanne, I have six kids and I'm in need of some fresh
motivation. I'm also a single mom now in school full time and I would
appreciate prayer for the Lord to help me keep what's really important in
top priority. I think putting His Word in my heart--fresh and new--is
something I can't live without, just as prayer is. One thing I have found
though, once I have memorized a section "it is there", I have it and though
it might fade some, it will come back easily with review. Our work is not
in vain! God's Word never returns void! PRAISE THE LORD!
ysic (yours sincerely in Christ right?) lol
Joanie
-----Original Message-----
From: Suzanne Sauls
To: biblememoryMyList.net
Date: Saturday, January 24, 1998 5:22 AM
Subject: Re: Memorizing large portions
>Joanie, when you use index cards, do you put the same amount of verses
>on each or how do you do it?
>I am concerned with overdoing it and then getting to a point where I
>don't want to memorize.
>ysic,
>suzanne
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:39:19 -0500
From:
Hi,
Thank you for the opportunity to discuss scripture memory with other
interested Christians. I am working to develop a three part memory
curriculum for my church. One part is how to remember names and faces, the
second part is how to study the bible and memorize scripture and the third
part is how to live a rich, rewarding and balanced life in Christ. I've got
parts one and three covered fairly well. For the second part, I'm
particularly interested in the works of Jerry Lucas. I've tried several
things to locate Mr. Lucas, without success. And I'd like to know if anyone
knows where I can locate his business, or his books? Any information would
be greatly appreciated.
Thank you very much,
NOEL
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 15:09:56 -0800
Subject: Jerry Lucas
From: "Drake Mariani"
Hi Noel,
Good work you're proposing there! I did something similar when a youth
pastor (back in the dark ages).
It was Jerry Lucas's work that was integral in the Lord calling me to do
MEMLOK (similar to Jerry's, but I believe more "doable"). One fellow who
worked for him 15 years ago is just starting communication with me. I'll ask
him next time we talk where we could catch up with Jerry. He and I are
simultaneously at homeschool conventions, but have never actually been
introduced. I'll save the info I find and post it when I find it out. You
will find over 25 pages on MEMLOK at http://www.memlok.com showing the "word
picture" idea. Hope it is helpful to you and God bless you as you take up
the challenge!
--
Drake Mariani 800-373-1947 memlokpacbell.net
Memlok/PC Memlok Bible Memory System-Free gift with Online purchase
For 15 Free Scripture memory Tips, simply reply "Tips" in the Subject.
http://www.memlok.com FREE STUFF - dozens of 'em
"There's no more effective means to resist Satan than to Praise the Lord and
Pass the Ammunition !"
-----Original Message-----
From: Noel_M._Rini%AEPINaep.com
To: biblememoryMyList.net
Date: Monday, January 26, 1998 1:40 PM
|Hi,
|Thank you for the opportunity to discuss scripture memory with other
|interested Christians. I am working to develop a three part memory
|curriculum for my church. One part is how to remember names and faces, the
|second part is how to study the bible and memorize scripture and the third
|part is how to live a rich, rewarding and balanced life in Christ. I've got
|parts one and three covered fairly well. For the second part, I'm
|particularly interested in the works of Jerry Lucas. I've tried several
|things to locate Mr. Lucas, without success. And I'd like to know if anyone
|knows where I can locate his business, or his books? Any information would
|be greatly appreciated.
|
|Thank you very much,
|NOEL
|
|
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:14:50 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Memory Cards
From: Frank Ruth
As many of you have said before, I started with the Topical Memory
System. I have made up some cards the same size on which I have written
verses which the Spirit has placed on my heart. I think, if I print these
out using my computer, I can get more on each card, and they will be
easier for me to read. Before I start on this project, has anyone already
developed a Memory Card template for Word? If so, would you mind posting
it to the list?
In Him,
-FrankR
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:35:31 -0800
Subject: Re: Memory Cards
From: "Drake Mariani"
Good idea James,
If someone has Word 97, but doesn't know how to do the FTP thing, you may
download WS-FTP from the Free Stuff page at my site. I've used it for 2
years. It's simple and much quicker than simply downloading when you are
getting enormous files from some website. Also works terrific to continually
update a web page you may have.
--
Drake Mariani 800-373-1947 memlokpacbell.net
Memlok/PC Memlok Bible Memory System-Free gift with Online purchase
For 15 Free Scripture memory Tips, simply reply "Tips" in the Subject.
http://www.memlok.com FREE STUFF - dozens of 'em
"There's no more effective means to resist Satan than to Praise the Lord and
Pass the Ammunition !"
-----Original Message-----
From: James Long
To: biblememoryMyList.net
Date: Monday, January 26, 1998 7:27 AM
Subject: Re: Memory Cards
|Since many people probably don't want files clogging up their e-mail, I am
|posting a Word 97 template (*.dot) on my FTP server. The URL is
|ftp://bob.ca.uky.edu/memory/biz_card.dot . This file is a simple template
|for business card size cards. It has styles set for the reference, verse
|body, and topic. (If you have Word97 and do not know about styles, look in
|the help file for "styles") You can ftp from your web browser, or use an
|anonymous ftp web client. I will be more than happy to place other files
|here on request.
|
|James Long
|
|At 08:14 AM 1/26/98 -0600, you wrote:
|>As many of you have said before, I started with the Topical Memory
|>System. I have made up some cards the same size on which I have written
|>verses which the Spirit has placed on my heart. I think, if I print these
|>out using my computer, I can get more on each card, and they will be
|>easier for me to read. Before I start on this project, has anyone already
|>developed a Memory Card template for Word? If so, would you mind posting
|>it to the list?
|> In Him,
|> -FrankR
|>
|>
|_______________________________________________________________
|James D. Long Office: (606)257-7272 ext 271
|Department of Ag Economics Pager: (606)741-9818
|University of Kentucky Fax: (606)257-7290
|331 Ag Engineering Building E-Mail: jdlong00pop.uky.edu
|Lexington, KY 40504-0276
|________________________________________________________________
|'Stocks have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau.'
|--Irving Fisher, Professor of Economics, Yale University, 1929
|________________________________________________________________
|
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:20:27 -0500
Subject: Re: Memory Cards
From: James Long
Since many people probably don't want files clogging up their e-mail, I am
posting a Word 97 template (*.dot) on my FTP server. The URL is
ftp://bob.ca.uky.edu/memory/biz_card.dot . This file is a simple template
for business card size cards. It has styles set for the reference, verse
body, and topic. (If you have Word97 and do not know about styles, look in
the help file for "styles") You can ftp from your web browser, or use an
anonymous ftp web client. I will be more than happy to place other files
here on request.
James Long
At 08:14 AM 1/26/98 -0600, you wrote:
>As many of you have said before, I started with the Topical Memory
>System. I have made up some cards the same size on which I have written
>verses which the Spirit has placed on my heart. I think, if I print these
>out using my computer, I can get more on each card, and they will be
>easier for me to read. Before I start on this project, has anyone already
>developed a Memory Card template for Word? If so, would you mind posting
>it to the list?
> In Him,
> -FrankR
>
>
_______________________________________________________________
James D. Long Office: (606)257-7272 ext 271
Department of Ag Economics Pager: (606)741-9818
University of Kentucky Fax: (606)257-7290
331 Ag Engineering Building E-Mail: jdlong00pop.uky.edu
Lexington, KY 40504-0276
________________________________________________________________
'Stocks have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau.'
--Irving Fisher, Professor of Economics, Yale University, 1929
________________________________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 07:38:31 -0800
Subject: Re: Memory Cards
From: "Drake Mariani"
Avery (labels) has a program to make business cards. Not sure if that's the
size you want, but they make it. Do a search on the Internet for Avery
labels and you should find it.
Hope that helps!
--
Drake Mariani 800-373-1947 memlokpacbell.net
Memlok/PC Memlok Bible Memory System-Free gift with Online purchase
For 15 Free Scripture memory Tips, simply reply "Tips" in the Subject.
http://www.memlok.com FREE STUFF - dozens of 'em
"There's no more effective means to resist Satan than to Praise the Lord and
Pass the Ammunition !"
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Ruth
To: biblememoryMyList.net
Date: Monday, January 26, 1998 6:19 AM
Subject: Memory Cards
|As many of you have said before, I started with the Topical Memory
|System. I have made up some cards the same size on which I have written
|verses which the Spirit has placed on my heart. I think, if I print these
|out using my computer, I can get more on each card, and they will be
|easier for me to read. Before I start on this project, has anyone already
|developed a Memory Card template for Word? If so, would you mind posting
|it to the list?
| In Him,
| -FrankR
|
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:47:38 EST
Subject: templates...
From:ew C Smith)
I have a template for WordPerfect 6.0a and am working on one for
WordPerfect 8.0, if anyone's interested. It's really very easy. You can
either run cardstock through your printer, or print it on ordinary paper
and have your local print shop copy it onto cardstock.
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 14:39:25 -0500
Subject: BibleMemory: Administrative Message
From: "Stephen Simpson"
Greetings,
For those who are new to the list, welcome.
At this point the biblememory list is about two weeks old and has about 80
members.
This is an email discussion list. What this means is that if you reply to
this email, or any other email from the list, it will be sent to all other
subscribers. This will happen whether you push that 'reply to all' or the
'reply to author' button on your mail reader program. I suggest that you
end all messages you send to the list with your name and email address so
people can email you directly if they wish.
I am writing this to you to see if we can drum up any discussion on the
topic of Bible Memorization.
Some people have shared that they get frustrated because they find that they
cannot seem to remember the verses they memorize for very long. This has
always been a issue for me as well. I think that this is often a matter of
technique. Our memories have to be properly trained through use and we have
to give a high enough priority to review. Nevertheless, some people do have
better memories than others. But remember that it is not those who learn
the most scriptures who are the winners, it is those who internalize what
they have learned.
Sometimes I personally feel like a man who has been given the task of
filling a large tank with water using a wicker basket. I fill up the basket
and no matter how fast I run, it is almost empty when I get to the tank. It
seems that it will take forever to fill that tank and I feel like quiting.
Later I realize that the reason I was given the task was not to fill the
tank, but to have a clean basket. The task we have been given is to develop
a pure mind and a pure heart. Constant exposure to the word of God will
accomplish this, even if we cannot recall it later. When we learn the word
of God and make it a point to meditate on it, then it will accomplish its
task in our lives.
Meditation on the word we have memorized is actually extra review and helps
to lock it into our minds
Comments?
Stephen Simpson
ssimpsonistar.ca
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:24:29 -0600
Subject: Re: Sv: BibleMemory: Administrative Message
From: "Rusty and/or Rene' Shelton"
I have a great deal of difficulty with memorizing and would appreciate
any techniques that others use to memorize verses. I've tried sticky
notes in the car, index cards, etc. Any suggestions and all ideas would
be appreciated.
Rusty Shelton
rustysgte.net
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:00:29 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: Sv: BibleMemory: Administrative Message
From: Frank Ruth
I found that I memorize things I hear. So, I make a tape by saying my verses
over and over. New verses I say a phrase at a time so they have more time to
sink in. Review verses I just record the whole thing, repeated a few
times. Then I play my tape whenever I'm in the car. Just going to & from
work, I get about 5 hours in during the week. That's plenty of thim to
learn a few new verses and review 5 or 6.
I hope this helps,
-FrankR
On Sat, 31 Jan 1998, Rusty and/or Rene' Shelton wrote:
> I have a great deal of difficulty with memorizing and would appreciate
> any techniques that others use to memorize verses. I've tried sticky
> notes in the car, index cards, etc. Any suggestions and all ideas would
> be appreciated.
>
> Rusty Shelton
> rustysgte.net
>
>
>
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 22:26:29 +0100
Subject: Sv: BibleMemory: Administrative Message
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Yes, i agree on that; a parrot could easily learn to quote the =
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