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Hi all,
My name is Meredith and I,m a 26 yr old housewife who really needs to =
get back in the word and this seems like a great way to start. I look =
foward to studying with all of you.=20

My name is Mike, a new member to this list.  I am in seminary training
for the gospel ministry and even though engaged in theology and language
studies and exegesis, there is a surprising lack of Bible memorization
etc. at sem.

I don't know who the thoughtful person was who introduced me to this
list, but I would like to thank them.  I appreciate anything that will
help me in Scripture knowledge and growing in the grace of our Lord.

Sola Scriptura!

Hello everyone, truly it is a pleasure to be apart of this wonderful
group. My name is Wanda, the reason I desire to be apart of your group
is that I need all the help I can get from my other sister and brothers
in the Lord. I desire to memorize as many scriptures as possible,
because at time like this it is going to take God's word to get us
through all the trails a tribulations that may arise. I thank you for
allowing me to join your group. Please keep me in your prayers and I
will do the same for you.

Another newbie intro.  It has been so encouraging to read all of your
intros.  I have been on the list for a few weeks, but I've been mostly
lurking.  I am a stay at home mother of 2 boys, ages 3 yrs. and 1 yr.
this week.  I was so blessed by memorizing Scripture when I was in the
Navigators in college through their Topical Memory System, but I've been
away from it for a long time.  My goal for 1999 is to love God and His
Word more than I did in 1998, and I thought hiding His Word in my heart
would help me.  Thanks for all the encouragement.  April in Maine

Hi my name is Jean. I'm a stay at home grandmother who needs to get back to
the Word. I feel that the more I know the more my life will be enriched.
But
it will also give me the ability to better share with my grandchildren. I
don't want them to walk most of their lives without the Lord, like I did.
I'm hoping to learn better ways of memorizing passages in order to achieve
above stated goals. The little tykes are only 2, 3, and 4. The perfect ages
to soak up knowledge like a sponge. I look forward to studying, learning
and
praying with you all.

Jean Guy
jguycybersol.com
s/w lower Michigan
We can do no great things; only small things with great love
Mother Theresa  1910-1997

I have read everyone's introductions, and I have a question.  Although we
are all interested in memorizing scripture, I cannot assume that every is
saved.  So my question is, has everyone accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and
Savior (Rom. 10:9-10)?  In case there is someone who hasn't and would like
to do so, repeat this prayer:

Dear Jesus, I, (your name), am in need of salvation.  I have heard
about you, but I want to know you for myself.  I confess that your are
Jesus, the Christ.  I believe in my heart that God raised you from the
dead.  I am asking you to forgive me for my sins and be my Lord and
Savior.  Thank you, Jesus, for saving me and giving me eternal life.
Amen.

If you prayed this prayer in sincerity of heart, you are saved!  If
everyone who is a part of this group is saved, praise the Lord!

I am very much a part of the evangelistic effort at my church.  I never
take for granted that someone is saved, even if they have been in church
all of their lives.  I ask all of you that if you have not already, please
join me and countless others in soul winning.  If you need any help with
that, please let me know.  God bless!

In a message dated 1/26/99 8:23:02 AM Central Standard Time,
mattlindabradshawnetscape.net writes:

<<
God Bless you in your efforts.  What are you working on now?

Sincerely,

Matt Bradshaw >>


Hello Matt,
Thanks for taking the time to welcome me.  I am working on Habakkuk 2:3.
"For
the revelation awaits an appointed time; it speaks of the end and will not
prove false.  Though it linger, wait for it; it will certainly come and
will
not delay."  I am part of a women's class at my church called Purity with
Purpose.  This is our memory verse for week one.  It is a good scripture to
meditate on.
God Bless,
Qynne   =)

Hi. My name is Steve.

I'm from Toronto, Canada. I'm 36 yrs old and have been a Christian for 8
yrs.
I've been looking for a good way to memorize Scripture to get the Word of
God
ingrained into my memory so I can carry it with me wherever I go. I can't
say that the past two years have been spent getting to know the Lord
better,
but that in fact, I have been falling away bit by bit. I always desire to
renew my faith by increasing  my studying of the bible though and need a
boost of sorts. I hope to get my heart back into all of this and to get
back on track again.

Doriots, you are doing noble and good work! I will pray for you!

A.C. Smith



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Hi,

My name is Dave and I've just signed on to this list.  Yes, I too have
tried
several times to begin and stay with a memory program. I have used the
Navigators Topical study and still have the materials. However, if I stay
with
it for more than a few weeks, it is amazing! I have the usual reasons.
Husband, father of two girls, a demanding job with a schedule that
fluctuates
from week to week. I get up before 5 am now just to get work on time. To
get
up earlier to work on scripture memory has not worked out well as my mind
is a
little foggy that early. After working 10 to 21 hours, my family would like
some of my time.

I know these are not reasons, but excuses. I also know that I am not alone
with this type of schedule. But I also know that the most success I've had
with memorization is when I had to for a class. So I need motivation! Help!

My name is John, 51, and I live in Syracuse, New York. I attend a non deno=
m.
Christian Church and I am married to a wonderful woman and have 2 stepchil=
dren
and to adorable step-grandchildren. I am looking forward to memorizing
scriptures. I believe it will be a useful weapon in combating Satan.

In Christ Jesus,
John =86

Hi,
My name's Randy,
and I'm a new Christian and a newly recovering alcoholic. I haven't
seriously attempted to memorize Scripture before, but I did try once while
still drinking. (Can't memorize Scripture drunk? imagine that. ). I look
forward to memorizing Scripture with all of you.
Yours in Christ,
Randy R

Greetings,

There were a few people who sent messages to the list within the last 24
hours. Specifically the messages were about the KJV vs NKJV.  I did
something silly and deleted the messages before I could process them.
Would
anyone who send a message to the list in the last 24 hours please send it
out again?  Thanks and sorry for the trouble

Stephen Simpson, list owner
ssimpsonistar.ca

David,

I do not proclaim to be a Bible scholar but I do lay claims to being a man
growing in the Lord.  The best way to settle which version to use is to
decide which one suits you personally.  The history of the KJV dates back
to
about 1600 and it has 16 different versions of it, each using the same
syntax.  The point is that God's Word endures and any version is just a
copy
of that and the ability to get back to the source documents are available
to
all Christians today in many ways.  So pick the one you like, understand
its
strengths and weaknesses, and have a blessed time while you memorize the
Word of the Lord.

DAN Johnson

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Simpson [SMTP:biblememistar.ca]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 10:13 PM
> To:   biblememistar.ca
> Subject:  BIBLEMEM: Advice needed
>
> I have just begun memorizing Scripture, but I face (what appears to me
as)
> a major delimma.  I have decided to memorized the either KJV or the NKJV.
> Narrowing the field down to these two choices was hard enough!  (I am
well
> aware of the KJ-Only arguements and found them to be bankrupt and, at
> times, just plain silly.)  My problem is in deciding which one to
> memorize.  I am prepared to invest a huge proportion of my time into this
> undertaking, which is why I want to get this thing settled within me.  I
> don't want to look back and second guess this decision.  The KJ is
> absolutely beautiful, especially so in poetic passages, and is instantly
> recognizable as scripture.  And it will probably endure for as long as
> Shakespeare does, which certainly be throughout my lifetime (and,
> hopefully, till the second coming!).  It just seems to have a timeless
> quality to it.  However, I have found certain passages in the KJ to be,
> well....not as correct as some other versions.  The NKJ is an excellent
> translation, and I am quite pleased in its handling of the 'hot spots.'
> (My term for the  words-verses-passages that provokes debate concerning
> their translation.)  However, the NKJV has already been revised since its
> release.  I have no desire to memorize a large portion of the Bible only
> to have small, but meaningful, changes made to it, or to have it
dissapear
> altogether! (Who uses the AS of 1901?).  Despite the excellency found in
> its translation, I am wary of its longevity.  Any thought, feedback, or
> advice on this area would be extremely helpful.
>
> Thanks, and God Bless!!
>
> P.S.--I realize that the purpose of this group is NOT to debate
> translations, but to strengthen and to encourage each other in memorizing
> A translation.  I have no desire to claim that one single translation is
> superior to all other translations.  They are were all done in different
> periods by different groups with a different focus, purpose, and audience
> in mind.  By sending this message, I am, with all earnestness and
> humility, asking for guidance from brothers and sisters who are much
> closer, older, and wiser in the Lord than I.
>
> -Thank you.
> David Simmons

MEMORIZE THE OLD KJV
DEFINATELY
THERE IS MORE POWER AND LIFE IN IT THAN ANY OTHER WATERED DOWN VERSION.


In a message dated 1/21/99 0:19:43 AM CST, biblememistar.ca writes:

<< Subj:     BIBLEMEM: Advice needed
Date:   1/21/99 0:19:43 AM CST
From:   biblememistar.ca (Stephen Simpson)
To: biblememistar.ca

I have just begun memorizing Scripture, but I face (what appears to me
as) a
major delimma. I have decided to memorized the either KJV or the NKJV.
Narrowing the field down to these two choices was hard enough! (I am
well
aware of the KJ-Only arguements and found them to be bankrupt and, at
times, just plain silly.) My problem is in deciding which one to
memorize. I am
prepared to invest a huge proportion of my time into this undertaking,
which is why I want to get this thing settled within me. I don't want to
look
back and second guess this decision. The KJ is absolutely beautiful,
especially
so in poetic passages, and is instantly recognizable as scripture. And
it
will probably endure for as long as Shakespeare does, which certainly be
throughout my lifetime (and, hopefully, till the second coming!). It
just
seems to have a timeless quality to it. However, I have found certain
passages in the KJ to be, well....not as correct as some other versions.
The NKJ is an excellent translation, and I am quite pleased in its
handling of
the 'hot spots.' (My term for the words/verses/passages that provokes
debate concerning their translation.) However, the NKJV has already been
revised
since its release. I have no desire to memorize a large portion of the
Bible only to have small, but meaningful, changes made to it, or to have
it
dissapear altogether! (Who uses the AS of 1901?). Despite the excellency
found in its translation, I am wary of its longevity. Any thought,
feedback,
or advice on this area would be extremely helpful.

Thanks, and God Bless!!

P.S.--I realize that the purpose of this group is NOT to debate
translations, but to strengthen and to encourage each other in
memorizing A
translation. I have no desire to claim that one single translation is
superior to all other translations. They are were all done in different
periods by different groups with a different focus, purpose, and
audience
in mind. By sending this message, I am, with all earnestness and
humility,
asking for guidance from brothers and sisters who are much closer,
older,
and wiser in the Lord than I.

-Thank you.
David Simmons



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Date: Thursday, January 21, 1999 1:53 AM
Subject: Re: BIBLEMEM: Advice needed


Praise the Lord,
     Dear David Simmons

     I am always willing to put my two cents in, especially when I'm asked!
:) I stay with the King James version for the two reasons you've mentioned.
It's beautiful and it doesn't get changed .  Also the stucture and cadence
of old English tends to stick in my mind.

    Like you I don't subscribe to theological debates over KJ vs. NKJ. I
find that so amusing! What about the French, the Chinese, etc? Would we ask
a French brother to give up his Louis Second? Hardly. However, for
memorization and study the Living Bible leaves me cold. Just reading  it is
ok.

    As a teacher I would encourage you to find your own learning style and
go with that. If you're a visual learner which version is going to stick?
If you're an auditory learner which version will you "hear" the best?
    All the best,
    Carol Dixon

PS Having said I'm a teacher, may I say that my computer throws my
sentences all over. I can't figure out how to format my letters. It galls
me that
people might think I don't know how to put a paragraph together. "Vanity,
vanity all is vanity....

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:-----Original Message-----
:From: Stephen Simpson 
:To: biblememistar.ca 
:Date: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 10:19 PM
:Subject: BIBLEMEM: Advice needed
:
:
::I have just begun memorizing Scripture, but I face (what appears to me
::as) a
::major delimma. I have decided to memorized the either KJV or the NKJV.
::Narrowing the field down to these two choices was hard enough! (I am
::well
::aware of the KJ-Only arguements and found them to be bankrupt and, at
::times, just plain silly.) My problem is in deciding which one to
::memorize. I am
::prepared to invest a huge proportion of my time into this undertaking,
::which is why I want to get this thing settled within me. I don't want to
::look
::back and second guess this decision. The KJ is absolutely beautiful,
::especially
::so in poetic passages, and is instantly recognizable as scripture. And
::it
::will probably endure for as long as Shakespeare does, which certainly be
::throughout my lifetime (and, hopefully, till the second coming!). It
::just
::seems to have a timeless quality to it. However, I have found certain
::passages in the KJ to be, well....not as correct as some other versions.
::The NKJ is an excellent translation, and I am quite pleased in its
::handling of
::the 'hot spots.' (My term for the words/verses/passages that provokes
::debate concerning their translation.) However, the NKJV has already been
::revised
::since its release. I have no desire to memorize a large portion of the
::Bible only to have small, but meaningful, changes made to it, or to have
::it
::dissapear altogether! (Who uses the AS of 1901?). Despite the excellency
::found in its translation, I am wary of its longevity. Any thought,
::feedback,
::or advice on this area would be extremely helpful.
::
::Thanks, and God Bless!!
::
::P.S.--I realize that the purpose of this group is NOT to debate
::translations, but to strengthen and to encourage each other in
::memorizing A
::translation. I have no desire to claim that one single translation is
::superior to all other translations. They are were all done in different
::periods by different groups with a different focus, purpose, and
::audience
::in mind. By sending this message, I am, with all earnestness and
::humility,
::asking for guidance from brothers and sisters who are much closer,
::older,
::and wiser in the Lord than I.
::
::-Thank you.
::David Simmons
::
::
:
:

David:
I think you just have to decide which version YOU feel most comfortable
with
and I don't think anybody can make that decision for you.  If you want
something that is unchanging the KJV will always be exactly what it is and
I
think you point out correctly that the handling of the english language in
KJV is masterful and beautiful.  I happen to like the New American Standard
version because I have been using is since 1977 and I feel comfortable with
it; but that doesn't mean it's best for everybody.
Mike Jackson
jacksonmgghlaw.com



> I have just begun memorizing Scripture, but I face (what appears to me
> as) a
> major delimma. I have decided to memorized the either KJV or the NKJV.
> Narrowing the field down to these two choices was hard enough! (I am
> well
> aware of the KJ-Only arguements and found them to be bankrupt and, at
> times, just plain silly.) My problem is in deciding which one to
> memorize. I am
> prepared to invest a huge proportion of my time into this undertaking,
> which is why I want to get this thing settled within me. I don't want to
> look
> back and second guess this decision. The KJ is absolutely beautiful,
> especially
> so in poetic passages, and is instantly recognizable as scripture. And
> it
> will probably endure for as long as Shakespeare does, which certainly be
> throughout my lifetime (and, hopefully, till the second coming!). It
> just
> seems to have a timeless quality to it. However, I have found certain
> passages in the KJ to be, well....not as correct as some other versions.
> The NKJ is an excellent translation, and I am quite pleased in its
> handling of
> the 'hot spots.' (My term for the words/verses/passages that provokes
> debate concerning their translation.) However, the NKJV has already been
> revised
> since its release. I have no desire to memorize a large portion of the
> Bible only to have small, but meaningful, changes made to it, or to have
> it
> dissapear altogether! (Who uses the AS of 1901?). Despite the excellency
> found in its translation, I am wary of its longevity. Any thought,
> feedback,
> or advice on this area would be extremely helpful.
>
> Thanks, and God Bless!!
>
> P.S.--I realize that the purpose of this group is NOT to debate
> translations, but to strengthen and to encourage each other in
> memorizing A
> translation. I have no desire to claim that one single translation is
> superior to all other translations. They are were all done in different
> periods by different groups with a different focus, purpose, and
> audience
> in mind. By sending this message, I am, with all earnestness and
> humility,
> asking for guidance from brothers and sisters who are much closer,
> older,
> and wiser in the Lord than I.
>
> -Thank you.
> David Simmons

David,

I do not proclaim to be a Bible scholar but I do lay claims to being a man
growing in the Lord.  The best way to settle which version to use is to
decide which one suits you personally.  The history of the KJV dates back
to
about 1600 and it has 16 different versions of it, each using the same
syntax.  The point is that God's Word endures and any version is just a
copy
of that and the ability to get back to the source documents are available
to
all Christians today in many ways.  So pick the one you like, understand
its
strengths and weaknesses, and have a blessed time while you memorize the
Word of the Lord.

DAN Johnson

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Simpson [SMTP:biblememistar.ca]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 10:13 PM
> To:   biblememistar.ca
> Subject:  BIBLEMEM: Advice needed
>
> I have just begun memorizing Scripture, but I face (what appears to me
as)
> a major delimma.  I have decided to memorized the either KJV or the NKJV.
> Narrowing the field down to these two choices was hard enough!  (I am
well
> aware of the KJ-Only arguements and found them to be bankrupt and, at
> times, just plain silly.)  My problem is in deciding which one to
> memorize.  I am prepared to invest a huge proportion of my time into this
> undertaking, which is why I want to get this thing settled within me.  I
> don't want to look back and second guess this decision.  The KJ is
> absolutely beautiful, especially so in poetic passages, and is instantly
> recognizable as scripture.  And it will probably endure for as long as
> Shakespeare does, which certainly be throughout my lifetime (and,
> hopefully, till the second coming!).  It just seems to have a timeless
> quality to it.  However, I have found certain passages in the KJ to be,
> well....not as correct as some other versions.  The NKJ is an excellent
> translation, and I am quite pleased in its handling of the 'hot spots.'
> (My term for the  words-verses-passages that provokes debate concerning
> their translation.)  However, the NKJV has already been revised since its
> release.  I have no desire to memorize a large portion of the Bible only
> to have small, but meaningful, changes made to it, or to have it
dissapear
> altogether! (Who uses the AS of 1901?).  Despite the excellency found in
> its translation, I am wary of its longevity.  Any thought, feedback, or
> advice on this area would be extremely helpful.
>
> Thanks, and God Bless!!
>
> P.S.--I realize that the purpose of this group is NOT to debate
> translations, but to strengthen and to encourage each other in memorizing
> A translation.  I have no desire to claim that one single translation is
> superior to all other translations.  They are were all done in different
> periods by different groups with a different focus, purpose, and audience
> in mind.  By sending this message, I am, with all earnestness and
> humility, asking for guidance from brothers and sisters who are much
> closer, older, and wiser in the Lord than I.
>
> -Thank you.
> David Simmons

Personally I vote for the KJV.  Yes, I agree the KJV-only movement is
absurd and silly at best; at worst, wrong-headed and blasphemous.

1) for good or bad KJV is a standard.  NKJ is a modern
commercial product and I doubt will ever be widely used in
Christendom.  NIV seems currently to be the modern standard.

2) the language happens to be beautiful - this is kind of an
"accident", but it is a gift that we can enjoy and be
grateful for.

3) the language is meaningful.  To the best of my knowledge, it
is the only widely available translation that preserves
the ye/you (plural) thee/thou (singular) second person.
Other translations use "thee/thou" for the the invalid
"royal/divine" person, which doesn't exist in Greek and
Hebrew.

4) you can easily acquire good classic references (Strong's and
others) keyed to it.  For next to nothing on the web
you can download tools, or use them on the web
(http://www.biblestudytools.net/,
http://www.khouse.org/blueletter/).  *BIG* advantage of
OLD translation is that you don't have to deal with
copyright issues as you do with NASB, NIV, NLT, etc.

5) the language is WEIRD.  It sticks in the memory better.
it preserves odd idioms of the original text that modern
texts erase - again, makes it "stick" in your memory
better.

Most of my memory work has been KJV, though I read NIV and NLT mostly.
That said, currently I'm aiming at using the NLT.  In the past I've found
modern translations hard to use since the language tends to be more
paraphrase-y and hard to get word-perfect.  OTOH, one plus about modern
translations, like the Living Bible, or New Living Translation is that
short passages tend to draw in more of the context, due to their
paraphrase nature.

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As it happened to me, I'm old enough that when I was a child, the KJV was
pretty much still the only Bible in use, so I've memorized some passages
from it.

Now, I memorize from the NIV.

But in between times, I also memorized some from the RSV and from the
NASB and from the NKJV.

So I've memorized a variety of things. I would expect this to be
confusing for me, but it isn't, because I've memorized each passage
exactly as it was written in that translation. It really hasn't been a
problem, although you might think it would be.

I would say, if you're going to memorize a long passage or chapter or
whole book, stick to one version. But if you want to memorize a Psalm in
NIV, and then the Sermon on the Mount in KJV, and then a chapter from
Romans in NASB, it really wouldn't be a problem, and it might even bring
blessings as you meditate on God's Word in different forms.

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Since coming into this list in November, I have memorised 3 chapters of
Scripture: 2 John, Philemon and 1 Peter. I have been inspired by some of
the
stories I have read here. Thanks for your help!

This has been a great blessing to me. It has been wonderful meditating on
God's Word. But, it takes a lot of revision to keep these new chapters in
memory for this bloke!

I have also received 2 lovely letters from the 2 men I think of when I
think
about my Sunday School teachers who first taught me to memorise Scripture.

Tom, who is now in his 70s,  told me that he is not still teaching Sunday
School, but for the past 19 years has been teaching Scripture classes in
local state primary schools. His church made a promise to always provide
teachers for every class that needed one, and so far, they have always been
able to do so.

Cec, also in his 70s, told me that he sees so many people that he taught in
Sunday School who are no longer following Christ. I wonder how many of them
let the Word become a part of them by learning it?

As I go back to school next week, I hope, by God's grace, to enthuse my
students in our Inter School Christian Fellowship group to learn a verse
each week.

David McKay
musicfl.net.au

Hi, =


My name is Matt Bradshaw.  I am new to this forum.  Let me know if you wo=
uld
like to work with me on Scripture memory.  It is an area that I have not =
been
as active in my spiritual relationship with the Lord.  Pray that the Lord=
will
guide me as I meditate and memorize the scripture.  Also, pray that I can=
lead
others in my church to get more actively involved in scripture memory.

Yours in Christ,

Matt Bradshaw

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Hello everyone,
My name is Qynne.  I am a wife and mother of two young children.  I am
joining
this list because I need to be stretched in the spiritual discipline of
scripture memory.  I sense the Lord calling me deeper in the Spirit to
maturity.  I am hoping to learn from all of you who have been doing this
for a
while.
I look forward to getting to know you,
Qynne

Hi, I'm Louise.  I used to memorize a lot, but I haven't done much for =
the past few years.  I know I need to.  I'm having some problems with =
stress and depression.  Any sugestions?  My 17 year old son has turned =
his back on the Lord and I need to hang onto God's promises for =
salvation for him and answers to prayer.
Louise

TESTIMONIES - DORIOTS

Since I grew up in a Christian home, near Fayette, Ohio, and we regularly
attended an evangelical church, I knew much of the Bible and understood the
Gospel from an early age.

It was at the age of ten that I definitely received Christ as my personal
Savior, on July 15, 1954, at a Bible camp in Greenfield, Ohio.  I had been
convicted of being a sinner and needing to be saved for some time, and on
a Thursday evening at the evangelistic service, I went forward to an altar
there and asked the Lord to save me.

At the same camp two years later, at a campfire service, I made a
complete commitment of my life to the Lord, in accordance with
Romans 12:1,2, determining to do whatever the Lord wanted me to
do with my life. Early in life, I chose Proverbs 3:5,6 as my life
verses:

Trust in the Lord with all thine heart, and lean not unto thine own
understanding.  In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy
paths

After high school, I attended Bible college one year, then studied Civil
Engineering.  After graduation, I worked as an engineer for about three
years.  Then I felt the Lord wanted me to prepare for fulltime Christian
service, and went on to seminary.

During my seminary years, I met Suzanne Fogle, and after we were married,
the Lord led Suzanne and me into association with UFM International, and
after graduation, we went to Irian Jaya to serve in a church-planting and
Bible translation ministry.

Roger E. Doriot


My father made the navy his career, so our family moved often.  In each new
location we found a gospel preaching church and became faithful members
soon after.  Early in life I learned the basics of salvation from my
mother.  These truths concerning my personal sin and Christ
substitutionary death were deeply meaningful to me though I was of
pre-school age.

During a week-long revival service I went forward in response to the
invitation and publicly acknowledged my faith in Jesus Christ as my Savior.
A few weeks later after following the Lord in baptism, I felt moved to
become a missionary nurse.  This became a life-time commitment to the Lord.
At age 12 while living in Japan, I read about an African boy in the
Readers Digest.  As a result I committed my life to serve the Lord in
a tribal situation.

Throughout my life many different Scriptures have been used of God to
encourage and guide me.  John 3:16-18 has been the basis for my
understanding of and my assurance of salvation.

Suzanne Doriot



NALJA, IRIAN JAYA

Irian Jaya is the former Dutch New Guinea, or West Irian, the
western half of the second largest island in the world.  It is
located just north of Australia, just below the equator.  It is
a province (state) in the country of Indonesia.

The one and a half million inhabitants are divided into about 20
260 different tribes, some as small as 100 or less people with a
distinct language.  The Nalja tribe is a tribe of about 8,000
people, living in about 50 different villages in an 800 square
mile area of interior mountain highlands, about 125 miles south
of Sentani (MAF base) and Jayapura (provincal capitol - formerly
Hollandia) on the north coast.

The Nalja people are short, almost pygmy type, kinky haired black-
skinned people.  Agriculture and a little hunting provide
bare subsistence living, sweet potatoes being the staple.  Inter-
village fighting with bows and arrows was common in the past,
with cannibalism practised occasionally.  They live in round
grass-roofed houses, with no furniture, and a fireplace in the
center of the room.

Animism has been their religion, primarily involving worship and
fear of spirits, supposedly of their departed ancestors.  The need
for sanitation was not known, medicine was unknown - in fact,
these people had no contact with the outside world until the
latter half of this twentieth century.


HISTORY OF THE NALJA WORK

Two UFM missionaries trekked for about a week through the dense
jungle from the nearest airstrip to contact the Nalja tribe
in 1963.  A short airstrip was built and opened in 1964, with
the Stan Sadlier family arriving to begin the work.

Analyzing the unwritten language was difficult, and interest by
the people low, so the work went slowly during the initial years.
Sadliers had to leave the field, and the Cuttings and several
other families and individuals spent some time at Nalja.

Finally, in 1970, a break came, and the first village burned
their fetishes.  There were still some ups and downs, but in 1974
the first believer was baptized.  The Doriots arrived in late 1975,
just as preparations were being made for the first major baptism.

Forty were baptized in 1976, and forty-six more in 1977, but then
a big inter-village war set things back significantly.  However,
in a couple years, things began to move forward even more
rapidly.  By the end of 1981, church membership had doubled, and
by 1984 had doubled again, making a total of about 400 baptized
believers when Doriots left for furlough that year.

During that one year of furlough, the church came into its own,
learning to pretty much carry on by themselves, and 218
additional belivers were baptized. There were then about
fifteen churches organized with indigenous leadership, over
thirty-five villages having at least one baptized believer,
and evangelists working in most of the other villages in
the tribe as well.

In the subsequent years, the church has continued to grow.
In 1986, almost another hundred were baptized, and about
200 more in 1987, which gave the tribe 1000 baptized
believers. The number has continued to climb. However, there
was another inter-village war in 1989, which was not finally
settled until 1991. This was a significant setback for a
time for five major villages.

Several young men are in an Indonesian Bible School on
the coast (first graduate in 1992), with other leaders being
trained in the Nalja Bible School, in the vernacular language.
Several fellows are taking, or planning to take, further
theological training in other parts of Indonesia.

The Doriots are now working with the Nalja church in reaching out
into a number of neighboring unevangelized tribes, as well as
working to complete the translation of the New Testament and
continuing to work to develop leadership and help and advise
current tribal leaders.


LIFE AT NALJA

Life for a missionary at Nalja is a little different than life in
the States, to be sure.  Our closest neighbors (other than our
tribal friends) live two days' walk away, or fifteen minutes by
single engine aircraft.  There are no roads in the Nalja jungle.
However, we do have an SSB radio, so we have contact almost every
day with people from other interior stations or on the coast.

Cooking is done on a wood-burning stove, and running water comes
by a 3/4 inch plastic pipe from a spring 100 yards away. We have
a kerosene-burning refrigerator, and electric lights by a 12-volt
DC system powered by two solar panels on our roof.

Labor is cheap, so we have some househelp to assist in cooking,
cleaning, watching children, etc., to free as much of our time as
possible for the multitude of responsibilities here.  Besides her
household duties, Suzanne does much medical work, and also has
Bible studies with different groups of ladies.

Roger works on translation and literacy, preaches, counsels, and
advises in various areas, supervises station and airstrip
maintenance (and new airstrip construction - Terablu is now the
seventh airstrip in the area), does ordering, bookkeeping, and
correspondence, occasionally treks through the mountains to
various villages to assist and encourage the local believers
and workers, plus whatever else needs to be done at the moment.

We look forward to the arrival of the MAF airplane every week or
so to get mail, as well as to the summer and Christmas holidays
and vacations, when we can be together with our whole family,
as the older children must go to school away from home on the
coast.

The work is sometimes difficult, many times discouraging, even
exasperating, but also rewarding, fulfilling, and satisfying,
and we wouldn't trade places with anyone, as we believe this
is where the Lord wants us to be. With the Lord watching over
us, and a multitude of friends and relatives caring and praying
for us back home, what more could we need or want?

PERMANENT PRAYER REQUESTS

1.  Spiritual growth and testimony of Nalja believers.
2.  Wisdom for, and continuing development of, church leadership.
3.  Love, patience, wisdom, and personal discipline for Doriots.
4.  Evangelism of the unreached and the uncommitted.
5.  Translation, distribution, and reading of the Scriptures.
6.  Bible school, literacy, and general schooling.
7.  Adequate finances to carry on necessary ministries, including funding needed
to reach new tribes.




BIRTHDAYS



Roger:    October 6, 1943
Suzanne:  February 18, 1949
Kathy:    December 26, 1973
Jonathan: February 26, 1975
Brian:    July 12, 1976
Linda:    October 12, 1982
Daniel:   December 27, 1985

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Hi my name is tracy and I am very excited about this memorization =
group.. I am a 4 year old Christian. I am a stay at home mom with 2 =
children 10 and 5 and a husband who's a truck driver and gone most of =
the time. We have been together 12 years and married 10. We are high =
school sweethearts. We had parted during high school for about 7 years =
then got back together..I love to do creative memories and work out.. I =
will try my best with Gods strength to keep up with everyone..May you =
all be blessed..In His love, tracy:-)

Hello list!

My name is Tim Picking and I also am excited (cautiosly optimistic)
about memorizing scripture.  I started out memorizing the book of
Philippians but really went NOWHERE!  I guess this format could give me
the impetus to actually make it happen.  Questions.....

1. When do "we" start?
2. How do we start?
3. Who will start us?
4. Am I the only confused one?  LOL  :-)

In Him,

Tim

Hi,

My name is Rebecca.  I am new to the group and see that many others are
too.
I have been working on simplifying my life--gave up a long career and now
work only part time. The stress was literally killing me.  Our only son is
in his first year of college.  My husband is an owner-operator of heavy
equipment.  Though he is a wonderful husband, he is not a Christian.  We
have been married for nearly 18 years.  We live in Alaska--he was born here
and I've been here almost 20 years.

Years ago, I had memorized the book of James but did not keep reviewing it
and can probably only quote about 2-3 chapters now.  I feel the need to
start again and am very eager to learn methods, obtain a list of others'
favorites, and maybe even start a group of memorizers in our church.

I do have lots of questions, but those will come later...

Rebecca

Today is the first day of school in state schools in NSW, Australia.
Instead
of taking our own lessons to classes, we were given lessons on study,
planning, etc to teach. And they were pretty good!

For Year Seven students, there was a part of a lesson on
Read
Cover
Recite
Review

and I thought: this is just what I do to remember Scripture!
I am now in 1 Peter 2. I learn the new verses easily, but sequencing is my
biggest problem . I can remember Philemon up to the greetings and all of 2
John. But with ! Peter 1 I get stuck remembering which section comes next1

Back to the books!
David McKay
musicfl.net.au

Steve,
Will be praying for you as you determine in your heart to serve God.  Rem=
ember
that with Him all things are possible.  Let me know if you need assistanc=
e.

Sincerely,

Matt Bradshaw
Olive Branch, TN =


biblememistar.ca wrote:
Hi. My name is Steve.

I'm from Toronto, Canada. I'm 36 yrs old and have been a Christian for 8
yrs.
I've been looking for a good way to memorize Scripture to get the Word of=

God
ingrained into my memory so I can carry it with me wherever I go. I can't=

say that the past two years have been spent getting to know the Lord
better,
but that in fact, I have been falling away bit by bit. I always desire to=

renew my faith by increasing  my studying of the bible though and need a
boost of sorts. I hope to get my heart back into all of this and to get
back on track again.












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David,

Thanks for the note!  It is a great encouragement to me to hear about you=
r
time spent memorizing God's word.  I have not been very consistant over t=
he
years doing this.  However, it is a powerful way to share God's word and =
his
love.  It seems like we all go through periods of time that we are able t=
o
focus more on this aspect of Bible study more than at other times.  But, =
it is
so vital to our relationship to God and our relationship with others.

Sincerely,
Matt Bradshaw  =


biblememistar.ca wrote:
Since coming into this list in November, I have memorised 3 chapters of
Scripture: 2 John, Philemon and 1 Peter. I have been inspired by some of
the
stories I have read here. Thanks for your help!

This has been a great blessing to me. It has been wonderful meditating on=

God's Word. But, it takes a lot of revision to keep these new chapters in=

memory for this bloke!

I have also received 2 lovely letters from the 2 men I think of when I
think
about my Sunday School teachers who first taught me to memorise Scripture=
=2E

Tom, who is now in his 70s,  told me that he is not still teaching Sunday=

School, but for the past 19 years has been teaching Scripture classes in
local state primary schools. His church made a promise to always provide
teachers for every class that needed one, and so far, they have always be=
en
able to do so.

Cec, also in his 70s, told me that he sees so many people that he taught =
in
Sunday School who are no longer following Christ. I wonder how many of th=
em
let the Word become a part of them by learning it?

As I go back to school next week, I hope, by God's grace, to enthuse my
students in our Inter School Christian Fellowship group to learn a verse
each week.

David McKay
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I believe your right when it comes to memorizing the Word from different
translations.  I noticed it helped me a lot with Psalms 33:11.  It helped=
me
in my understanding of God's thoughts verses God's plans using the KJV,
NIV and the NAS.  I still like to use the KJV.  However, I think using th=
e NIV
would be better for some of the longer segments.  Thanks for the note.

Sincerely,
Matt Bradshaw

biblememistar.ca wrote:
As it happened to me, I'm old enough that when I was a child, the KJV was=

pretty much still the only Bible in use, so I've memorized some passages
from it.

Now, I memorize from the NIV.

But in between times, I also memorized some from the RSV and from the
NASB and from the NKJV.

So I've memorized a variety of things. I would expect this to be
confusing for me, but it isn't, because I've memorized each passage
exactly as it was written in that translation. It really hasn't been a
problem, although you might think it would be.

I would say, if you're going to memorize a long passage or chapter or
whole book, stick to one version. But if you want to memorize a Psalm in
NIV, and then the Sermon on the Mount in KJV, and then a chapter from
Romans in NASB, it really wouldn't be a problem, and it might even bring
blessings as you meditate on God's Word in different forms.

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Qynne,

God Bless you in your efforts.  What are you working on now?

Sincerely,

Matt Bradshaw

biblememistar.ca wrote:
Hello everyone,
My name is Qynne.  I am a wife and mother of two young children.  I am
joining
this list because I need to be stretched in the spiritual discipline of
scripture memory.  I sense the Lord calling me deeper in the Spirit to
maturity.  I am hoping to learn from all of you who have been doing this
for a
while.
I look forward to getting to know you,
Qynne







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Hi Rebecca,
My name is Matt Bradshaw.  My wife and I live in Olive Branch, MS.  It wa=
s
great to hear from you.  I am working on the Book of James too. Years ago=
I
memorized the first chapter of James.  I am reviewing it now.

Will pray for you as you work on your memorizing.

God Bless,

Matt & Linda =


biblememistar.ca wrote:
Hi,

My name is Rebecca.  I am new to the group and see that many others are
too.
I have been working on simplifying my life--gave up a long career and now=

work only part time. The stress was literally killing me.  Our only son i=
s
in his first year of college.  My husband is an owner-operator of heavy
equipment.  Though he is a wonderful husband, he is not a Christian.  We
have been married for nearly 18 years.  We live in Alaska--he was born he=
re
and I've been here almost 20 years.

Years ago, I had memorized the book of James but did not keep reviewing i=
t
and can probably only quote about 2-3 chapters now.  I feel the need to
start again and am very eager to learn methods, obtain a list of others'
favorites, and maybe even start a group of memorizers in our church.

I do have lots of questions, but those will come later...

Rebecca









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Thank you for your note.  I am interested in learning more about your work
in the mission field.  That is another area that is close to my heart.
I have not spent as much time in Scripture Memory as I should over the
years. =

However, I have done some.  I am reviewing some of the work I have already
y done and trying to move forward with the memory work.  Currently one of
my
goals is to memorize the book of James and work on some other verses and
chapters.  Do you think it will get easier the longer you do it?


Yes, I would like your encouragement as your time permits.

I am a buyer/purchasing agent my wife and I moved to Olive Branch, MS about
a
year and a half ago.  My company Clark Material Handling decided at the end
of
last year to move the operations to Lexington, KY (headquarters). I didn't
go.
So, I am currently looking for employment.

I have a job interview locally today and another tomorrow in Smithville,
TN.
We would like to stay here the Lord willing.


I teach Sunday School normally adults and my wife Linda plays the piano for
services. We love the Lord and want to follow His leadership.  We are
currently going to Cornerstone Baptist Church in Olive Branch, MS.  We have
only been there a few weeks.  We felt it was a mission opportunity to serve
the Lord there.

Pray for us as we seek Gods direction in our lives right now.

God Bless you!

Sincerely,


Matt & Linda Bradshaw

10570 Loblolly Street
Olive Branch, MS 38654


biblememistar.ca wrote:
Hi, Matt! Really appreciated your note and your desire to memorize
Scripture!

I have learned a lot of Scripture, a good majority of it with a plan I
developed when I was just out of college. With that I learned around 1,500
verses in a few years, and found that it was so helpful in so many, many
ways - both personally and for being a witness and a help to others
spiritually. My wife and I are now missionaries here in Irian Jaya. I'll
send you a separate e-mail with some info on us and our work here in case
you're interested.

I am really interested in getting others involved in Scripture
memorization, and in seeing what we might be able to do along that line
with e-mail and the Internet. Apparently you are also interested in getting
others involved. I would be glad to be a prayer partner with you, and would
pray regularly for you in your memorization, and would check up on you
occasionally if you desire - as well as praying for outreach to others.
Hopefully, I could contribute in that area as well, though my time is
limited now with other responsibilities, one of which is getting the
translation of the New Testament in the Nalja language ready for printing

by the end of this year.

OK, all for now. Let me know a little about yourself too.

Yours in Christ,


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It seems to me we all need the same kind of help, encouragement and time.=

I am currently reviewing memory verses and planning ahead for the future =
with
Memorizing.  Same pressures apply work, family and friends.  Encourging
friends and family to memorize often help that way you have a partner.  I=
t
doesn't make any difference if it is one verse a week or two or three ver=
ses. =

Carry them with you and review as often as you can. You can do a lot in 5=
-10
minutes.  You might find a Sunday School class member or Teacher to work =
with
you.  It will make them work harder as they teach you the word.

God Bless,

Matt Bradshaw
Olive Branch, MS =


biblememistar.ca wrote:
To Dave,

I share your pain! I did the Topical Memory System and really do endorse
this. I spent my time in the car on the way to and from work to get these=

in. While I realized that it was dangerous to some extent, I prayed that
God would watch over me while I was driving (not a bad idea anyway) and
that he would bless that time to memorize as that was all I had. I'm stil=
l
alive and I have all 60 verses memorized praise be to God. It's a faith
move. (Hebrews 11:6 that's one that's in your stack)

God Bless,

Phil



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Hi,

My name is Dave and I've just signed on to this list.  Yes, I too have
tried
several times to begin and stay with a memory program. I have used the
Navigators Topical study and still have the materials. However, if I stay=

with
it for more than a few weeks, it is amazing! I have the usual reasons.
Husband, father of two girls, a demanding job with a schedule that
fluctuates
from week to week. I get up before 5 am now just to get work on time. To
get
up earlier to work on scripture memory has not worked out well as my mind=

is a
little foggy that early. After working 10 to 21 hours, my family would li=
ke
some of my time.

I know these are not reasons, but excuses. I also know that I am not alon=
e
with this type of schedule. But I also know that the most success I've ha=
d
with memorization is when I had to for a class. So I need motivation! Hel=
p!









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Hi David,

I didn't get all of your message.  However, Bible memorization should be =
done
with the version you use.  I have used the King James version for a long =
time.
I like it because that is what I grew up with.  You might want to visit =
with
your pastor and see what he recommends.

Sincerely,
Matt Bradshaw

biblememistar.ca wrote:
In a message dated 1/21/99 1:19:43 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
biblememistar.ca writes:

> By sending this message, I am, with all earnestness and
>  humility,
>  asking for guidance from brothers and sisters who are much closer,
>  older,
>  and wiser in the Lord than I.
>
>  -Thank you.
>  David Simmons

David,

This is a very tough issue to decide. I always recommend that people
memorize
the primary version used by their church- usually what the pastor preache=
d
from. It can be confusing to be hearing a passage in a different
translation
than what you are memorizing. It can't be avoided totally, but it can be
minimized.

Dean








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There are times when I think it is very important to refer to other versi=
ons
or even to a dictionary.  Your example was very good. I remember =

when I first started reading the Bible 1 Corinthians 13 gave me a problem=
=2E
I didn't understand what charity in the KJV meant.  I do now but it didn'=
t
come easy.  It takes looking at more than one version to get the whole pi=
cture
sometimes.  The language we deal with in all versions can give us difficu=
lty
due to our own shortage of vocabulary.  However, language has different s=
hades
of meanings.  Best of all we have God's Word which can transend human
comprehension.

Lets continue to memorize the Word and glorifiy His name! I will be prayi=
ng
that you find a partner to work with you on your memorization. =


Sincerely,

Matt Bradshaw

biblememistar.ca wrote:
Dave Simmons wrote this list asking which version to memorise.

I have read all the messages re KJV or NKJV, and most of you seem
to be coming down on the KJV side, for some very valid reasons.

I agree there is no validity to the KJV only argument (If it was good
enough for St Paul, it's good enough for me ;-)

However, I want to put in a few points about the NKJV.  I agree, it has
been updated a few times, however it is still my version of choice, both
for reading and for memorizing.  In a few of our bible studies in church
we have had problems with meanings of words in the NIV, and we had to tur=
n
to the NKJ to get a different translation to clear up the issue. (No, I a=
m
not saying the NKJ is better than the NIV, just that the translations in
the NIV seem to be a bit simplified, and sometimes you need to look at
the KJ/NKJ to get a fuller understanding, either that or learn Greek,
Hebrew & Aramaic)

Also, unless you are a good scholar, you may have some problems
understanding the meanings of some of the terms in the KJ.  The
English language has changed a lot in the last three hundred years,
for example,  1Pe 2:12 Having your conversation honest among the
Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they
may by [your] good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in
the day of visitation.

This does not mean, only in what you say.  In old english, conversation
meant your way of life.  This puts a new meaning into the verse which is
not in the original text.  compare with the NIV (the bible I have at work=
)
"Lead such good lives..."

Hope you find this useful, just my two penneth worth.

I think it does not matter if the version you use changes.  You still hav=
e
the version in a book form (hopefully), and can point to where you learne=
d
from.  And God can use what every you learn, in what ever form you learn
it,
to His glory.

Rather than get overconcerned with versions, get on with memorising.  Tha=
t
is
what will produce good fruit in the long run.  Don't let the devil hold y=
ou
up on minor points.

Other than that, hi to everyone on the list - this is my first posting.

I am looking for a memorisation partner, preferably in England.  Any
offers?

Love in Jesus, the Author and Perfector of all the faithful.
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>Hello everyone,
>My name is Qynne.  I am a wife and mother of two young children.  I am
>joining
>this list because I need to be stretched in the spiritual discipline of
>scripture memory.  I sense the Lord calling me deeper in the Spirit to
>maturity.  I am hoping to learn from all of you who have been doing this
>for a
>while.
>I look forward to getting to know you,
>Qynne


Hi Qynne and everyone,
My name is Ron and I guess you would call me a Newbie also. I am just an
old
Grandfather. Qynne, enjoy them while you and they are still young. We grow
old and they grow up too fast so appreciate the time now. I don't have much
of an idea what you do on this list except, I guess, memorize scripture.
I'm
not sure how that works out, but I'm all for it. You never learn enough and
It's so hard to put it to memory. It's also easy to forget if you don't
keep
at it. I am like Qynne, "hoping to learn from all of you". Please let us
know what you expect from us. Right now I am in the dark.
Ron

Hi! My name is Issah (isabel) Please pay for me to. better still be my
prayer partner to inspire me in may memory project. I want to start soon
but still discouraged how I can I even memborize like the others in the
net. I can rephrase the verses but never can come around to recite one by
heart.The Lord has placed the desire in my heart the past two months. Can
you inspire and encourage me? I need a caring brother or sister who is into
this to encourage me to do it at this time of my spiritual journey. My
upbringing as a Catholic did not emphasize the need to memorize verses. But
wow I see the importance and practicality behind hiding the words in my
heart...Will you support me in this?
Thank you very much for your positive reply, Bro. Roger and God bless you
and your ministry....


issah tobias
Philippines
.................................
At , you wrote:
>Hi, Matt! Really appreciated your note and your desire to memorize
>Scripture!
>
>I have learned a lot of Scripture, a good majority of it with a plan I
>developed when I was just out of college. With that I learned around 1,500
>verses in a few years, and found that it was so helpful in so many, many
>ways - both personally and for being a witness and a help to others
>spiritually. My wife and I are now missionaries here in Irian Jaya. I'll
>send you a separate e-mail with some info on us and our work here in case
>you're interested.
>
>I am really interested in getting others involved in Scripture
>memorization, and in seeing what we might be able to do along that line
>with e-mail and the Internet. Apparently you are also interested in
getting
>others involved. I would be glad to be a prayer partner with you, and
would
>pray regularly for you in your memorization, and would check up on you
>occasionally if you desire - as well as praying for outreach to others.
>Hopefully, I could contribute in that area as well, though my time is
>limited now with other responsibilities, one of which is getting the
>translation of the New Testament in the Nalja language ready for printing
>by the end of this year.
>
>OK, all for now. Let me know a little about yourself too.
>
>Yours in Christ,
>
>
>Roger E. Doriot
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Hi Everyone,

My name is Ron and I look forward to memorizing scripture with you.  I've
tried it before but I haven't been practicing in a while.  I really need to
discipline myself again.  I know the benefits as the verses that I have
memorized are still with me.

As one who ministers here in South Korea through my Bible Studies I know it
is very important to memorize Scripture to be effective.

So, WHERE DO WE START?

Hugs and Handshakes, Radical Ron

Louise,

I know you must be hurt & frustrated.  Though this is not a good venue for
counseling, let me recommend a couple of things; (1) ensure that you
yourself
are in a good, solid, faithful church of Jesus Christ.  You need the
fellowship
of Christ's body (as do we all).  Christ has called us to be a church & to
have part in His church fellowships.  (2)  Get pastoral care post-haste.  A
good
godly pastor can help you to get the scriptural direction you need.  (3)
cast
yourself wholly on Christ.  Louise, He took all the justice that you
deserved,
when He died on the Cross.  On that day He opened the door for your
intimate
fellowship with the Father.  If you trust in Him, then no matter what the
world
or your 17 yr old or anyone else may say, you're then His.  then you can
claim
Deuteronomy 33:27: "The Eternal God is your refuge, & underneath are the
everlasting arms..." & 1 Peter 5:6 & 7; "Humble yourselves therefore under
the
mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time: Casting all your
care
upon Him; for He cares for you."  (4)  Commit your child to the care of the
Lord, & then in the knowledge that He will do what is right for that
teenager,
show the light of Christ by your deep & passionate love for Him & the
Father.

Mike Philliber

>
>Hi, I'm Louise.  I used to memorize a lot, but I haven't done much for =
>the past few years.  I know I need to.  I'm having some problems with =
>stress and depression.  Any sugestions?  My 17 year old son has turned =
>his back on the Lord and I need to hang onto God's promises for =
>salvation for him and answers to prayer.
>Louise
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Mike A.,

Greetings.  I understand your frustration/concern.  I'm at Reformed
Theological
Seminary in Jackson MS.  I've noticed the same.  When I went before our
presbytery
to be examined for licensure (so I can preach in our denomination), that
was
one of the glaring faults we had.  There were six of us studying for the
ministry,  2 of which were being ordained.  & the lack of Biblical
knowledge
was terrible.  Two of us did well, but that was because we had been around
the world a time or two, & had taken memorization & familiarization more
seriously (not blowing my own horn, simply stating an observation).

Let me encourage you to start pulling out 3x5 cards & typing down the
scriptures
you see repeated over & over in class.  That's a great place to start.
Then as
you progress in your systematic theology classes, take the passages that
fit
into each catagory of the ordo salutis, and each part of the Syst. Theol.
paradigm, and memorize those.  Maybe one for each major subject heading.

Blessings.

Mike Philliber

>My name is Mike, a new member to this list.  I am in seminary training
>for the gospel ministry and even though engaged in theology and language
>studies and exegesis, there is a surprising lack of Bible memorization
>etc. at sem.
>
>I don't know who the thoughtful person was who introduced me to this
>list, but I would like to thank them.  I appreciate anything that will
>help me in Scripture knowledge and growing in the grace of our Lord.
>
>Sola Scriptura!
>
>
>
>
>
>

Radical Ron, Issah & April,

Welcome.  I would recommend starting small, but with passages you hear all
the
time in Church.  Then work to other familiar passages.  The fact that
you're
hearing them in Church (context of worshipping our great God) will be of
great
help.  That's a good place to start.

Mike Philliber

My vision from the earliest days of my walk with the Lord always has been
to
memorize a whole book.

Then when the Bible is taken away, which could happen, when the body of
Christ
get's together all the books together make up the whole. Maybe it came from
having worked with Brother Andrew and smuggling Bibles to Eastern Europe,
before the Iron Curtain came down.

So instead of memorizing a verse here or there, I started on proverbs, got
to
chapter seven sofar.
This year, I am going to try to finish the whole book, with Gods help.

Another tought, it does help to know where verses are, if you witness a lot
etc. But when Jesus talked to Satan he did not say : Deuteronomy  8:3
But he said :"... man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that
proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD...

The POWER is in the word, not in the reference.
That is for those of you that have a problem with the reference, but love
the
word.

jv

To Dave,

I share your pain! I did the Topical Memory System and really do endorse
this. I spent my time in the car on the way to and from work to get these
in. While I realized that it was dangerous to some extent, I prayed that
God would watch over me while I was driving (not a bad idea anyway) and
that he would bless that time to memorize as that was all I had. I'm still
alive and I have all 60 verses memorized praise be to God. It's a faith
move. (Hebrews 11:6 that's one that's in your stack)

God Bless,

Phil



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Hi,

My name is Dave and I've just signed on to this list.  Yes, I too have
tried
several times to begin and stay with a memory program. I have used the
Navigators Topical study and still have the materials. However, if I stay
with
it for more than a few weeks, it is amazing! I have the usual reasons.
Husband, father of two girls, a demanding job with a schedule that
fluctuates
from week to week. I get up before 5 am now just to get work on time. To
get
up earlier to work on scripture memory has not worked out well as my mind
is a
little foggy that early. After working 10 to 21 hours, my family would like
some of my time.

I know these are not reasons, but excuses. I also know that I am not alone
with this type of schedule. But I also know that the most success I've had
with memorization is when I had to for a class. So I need motivation! Help!

I was brought up in a Christian family (not my own mother and father) who
taught me to love the Word and the Church.  I thank God for that.   I
learned
many, many verses from memory in Vacation Bible School, Sunday School,
Training Union, and in the Girl's Auxilliary.  Throughout my life, when
there
has been a pressing need, the Lord would bring to my mind just exactly what
reassurance or guidance or correction that I needed.  I know first hand
what
it means to ones spiritual life to "hide the Word in the heart".  I have
never
tried to memorize a whole book, but I have memorized chapters, and work at
that rather than verses now. One help (since I'm a little older now and it
seems to be somewhat harder to memorize) is to read the verses (always in
context) and get the key concepts and ideas.  That seems to make it easier
to
hang on to the words.  Also, I like to use the King James version, because
that's what I'm most familiar with, but mostly because the language is
beautiful, poetic, and seems to lend itself better to memorization.  I'm
trying also to increase my speed in reading (along with concentration) so
that
I cover a wider passage for understanding the verses in context, and then I
choose which verses I feel a need to memorize.  I've worked with the New
Testament for memorization mostly, but have loved some passages in Isaiah
as
well.

I'll be interested in hearing what others are doing (especially the over 50
bunch!) to aid in memorization.

God bless.

I'm not in seminary training, but I love the Word and have done all that I
can
to learn how to "rightly divide" it.  I deplore the lack of Scripture
memorization in our churches today, not only among the Youth, but with
Adults
as well.  I know from first-hand experience that the Scripture that I "hid
in
my heart" as a child was that which came to me in my most needy times as an
Adult.  I truly believe it is our Shield and our Defensive weapon against
Satan, and will be even more so as we see the Day approaching.

I have found too, that writing the Scripture on cards ( I have used the
backs
of business cards for this, they make a perfect size to carry in your
pocket),
and taking them out several times a day to review, has helped.  I have
memorized in subjects and have them organized in that fashion.

The other thing that has helped me has been to identify the key words and
phrases in the Scripture to get the main idea of the verse, and then fill
in
the other words around them.

God bless.  I have a burden to pray for our spiritual leaders today, and
that
includes you young "preacher boys".

Hello Phil!

The time in the car is a wonderful time to use to memorize.  Have you tried
listening to tapes?  That's a little safer than trying to read.  I read
several verses I was trying to learn into my tape recorder and used that in
the car.  Hearing the verses repeated just reinforced the effort.  And I
carried my cards in my pocket and took them out everytime I had to wait
(like
for an elevator, at the grocery store in line, at the Dr's office) and I
got
some of the other nurses on my unit to help me out on coffee break and at
lunch.  Even though they weren't into the memorization, they did help, and
I
felt that it gave me a good opportunity to witness.

I'm trying to increase my reading speed and comprehension now, and I find
that
identifying the key words and phrases in a verse and memorizing them first,
filling in later, not only helps with the memorizing process, but adds to
my
understanding.

God blesses all our efforts in trying to claim His Word for ourselves, I
believe, no matter what they are.  I think that the corporate effort is one
that He loves to see happening among His children!

Hi Jean, et al:

My name is Bill and I teach adult sunday school.  I too joined BibleMemor=
y
to increase in ways of learning and knowing where to find the Word I know
from the Bible, but may not know exactly where to find it.

It is hard for me to quote scripture from Address Only.  WE all have memo=
ry
verses, but I need to learn ways to improve Bible Memory ---- that's why =
I
joined --- so here is my first contribution.  If we all share what we kno=
w
it will make the list more active....
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"FAMOUS 3:16"

Refer to chapter THREE, verse SIXTEEN of the following Books of the
Bible....
_________________________________________________________________

=95  Genesis (read vs. 15 also)=20
The promise of emnity and why Jesus came to save us

=95  Numbers
Numbers (#'s) are very important.  God uses #'s for emphasis and
significance.=20

=95  1 Samuel
Our Proclamation to the Lord....Here I am.  (Opening yourself up for the
Holy Spirit and God's Will)

=95  Daniel
Deliverance from the fiery furnace.  Our faith in Jesus is our deliveranc=
e
from the fiery furnace of hell

=95  Joel
The Lord will protect his people....those who make the Lord their hope

=95  Matthew
Jesus's Baptism

=95  Luke
Baptism again highlighted, with the Promise of Baptism in the Holy Spirit

=95  John
The Whole Gospel in a Nutshell

=95  1 Corinthians
You are the temple of the Holy Spirit

=95  Ephesians
What the Holy Spirit will do in You

=95  Colossians
Let God's Word dwell in you richly

=95  2 Thessalonians
The Lord grants you peace

=95  2 Timothy
All Scripture is...........

=95  Revelations
Do not be either hot or cold......the last portal to the Gospel is found =
at
verse 20.

Enjoy....

Lord Bless

Bill Winter
First Baptist Church of Port Hueneme, California

----------
> From: Guy, Jean 
> To: biblememistar.ca
> Subject: BIBLEMEM: Introduction
> Date: Saturday, January 02, 1999 11:28 AM
>=20

Speaking of lack of knowledge of Scripture or desire to learn and meditate
on God's Word, at our church when I preached a sermon on learning God's
Word, the ministers thought I might be putting people off [I think] and
tried to downplay my suggestions. Very sad.

David McKay
musicfl.net.au

May our Lord Bless and Keep you.

It is so true that not all church goers or religious talkers have had a
face
to face talk with our Lord Jesus Christ.  Here in San Antonio, Texas, at
Alamo
City Christian Fellowship, we have hundreds of people each year that have
been
raised in a "church" and never asked Jesus to save them.  These people come
from all churches. Baptist, Methodist, Catholic, etc.

A prayer that has been on my heart for a couple of years, is that our God
would fan the flame of the Spirit of God in the hearts of His children, so
they would start speaking forthrightly of His truth and mercy.  For only
when
God's children speak out does the forcers of darkness back off, and the
lost
are able to see the way to Jesus.

I pray that the Lord would tie up the tongues of preachers would refuse to
proclaim the Truth of the Lord Jesus, and give special blessings to the
preachers who will stand on His Word no matter what.

Again, May the Lord Bless and Keep you as you walk with Him.

The best motivation for Bible Memorization is "HUNGER"

Watch somebody drop 50 cents in a coke machine and nothing comes out, they
about break the glass, fume, swear, complain, write their name on the money
return list etc. You know why? Because they are hungry for something.

Psa 138:2  ....for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

I think that the best Bible to memorize is the one which allows you to
personally meet the objectives of Bible memorization.  These are:

1) Understanding and obedience to the word you have learned
2) Long term retention of the word you have learned
3) The ability to continue to memorize new material on a regular basis
4) Enjoyment of what you do

For me, I use the NIV because I like the plain and simple English. I find
that easier to understand than the older style.

Stephen Simpson

PS: If you respond to any of the messages you received today, please make
sure the to: address is biblememistar.ca.  I am still getting the bugs
out of my new email server and for these messages the default reply to
address was incorrect.


>I have just begun memorizing Scripture, but I face (what appears to me
>as) a
>major delimma. I have decided to memorized the either KJV or the NKJV.
>Narrowing the field down to these two choices was hard enough! (I am
>well
>aware of the KJ-Only arguements and found them to be bankrupt and, at
>times, just plain silly.) My problem is in deciding which one to
>memorize. I am
>prepared to invest a huge proportion of my time into this undertaking,
>which is why I want to get this thing settled within me. I don't want to
>look
>back and second guess this decision. The KJ is absolutely beautiful,
>especially
>so in poetic passages, and is instantly recognizable as scripture. And
>it
>will probably endure for as long as Shakespeare does, which certainly be
>throughout my lifetime (and, hopefully, till the second coming!). It
>just
>seems to have a timeless quality to it. However, I have found certain
>passages in the KJ to be, well....not as correct as some other versions.
>The NKJ is an excellent translation, and I am quite pleased in its
>handling of
>the 'hot spots.' (My term for the words/verses/passages that provokes
>debate concerning their translation.) However, the NKJV has already been
>revised
>since its release. I have no desire to memorize a large portion of the
>Bible only to have small, but meaningful, changes made to it, or to have
>it
>dissapear altogether! (Who uses the AS of 1901?). Despite the excellency
>found in its translation, I am wary of its longevity. Any thought,
>feedback,
>or advice on this area would be extremely helpful.
>
>Thanks, and God Bless!!
>
>P.S.--I realize that the purpose of this group is NOT to debate
>translations, but to strengthen and to encourage each other in
>memorizing A
>translation. I have no desire to claim that one single translation is
>superior to all other translations. They are were all done in different
>periods by different groups with a different focus, purpose, and
>audience
>in mind. By sending this message, I am, with all earnestness and
>humility,
>asking for guidance from brothers and sisters who are much closer,
>older,
>and wiser in the Lord than I.
>
>-Thank you.
>David Simmons
>
>
>
>

Dave Simmons wrote this list asking which version to memorise.

I have read all the messages re KJV or NKJV, and most of you seem
to be coming down on the KJV side, for some very valid reasons.

I agree there is no validity to the KJV only argument (If it was good
enough for St Paul, it's good enough for me ;-)

However, I want to put in a few points about the NKJV.  I agree, it has
been updated a few times, however it is still my version of choice, both
for reading and for memorizing.  In a few of our bible studies in church
we have had problems with meanings of words in the NIV, and we had to turn
to the NKJ to get a different translation to clear up the issue. (No, I am
not saying the NKJ is better than the NIV, just that the translations in
the NIV seem to be a bit simplified, and sometimes you need to look at
the KJ/NKJ to get a fuller understanding, either that or learn Greek,
Hebrew & Aramaic)

Also, unless you are a good scholar, you may have some problems
understanding the meanings of some of the terms in the KJ.  The
English language has changed a lot in the last three hundred years,
for example,  1Pe 2:12 Having your conversation honest among the
Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they
may by [your] good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in
the day of visitation.

This does not mean, only in what you say.  In old english, conversation
meant your way of life.  This puts a new meaning into the verse which is
not in the original text.  compare with the NIV (the bible I have at work)
"Lead such good lives..."

Hope you find this useful, just my two penneth worth.

I think it does not matter if the version you use changes.  You still have
the version in a book form (hopefully), and can point to where you learned
from.  And God can use what every you learn, in what ever form you learn
it,
to His glory.

Rather than get overconcerned with versions, get on with memorising.  That
is
what will produce good fruit in the long run.  Don't let the devil hold you
up on minor points.

Other than that, hi to everyone on the list - this is my first posting.

I am looking for a memorisation partner, preferably in England.  Any
offers?

Love in Jesus, the Author and Perfector of all the faithful.
---
There is no difference between theory and practice, in theory...


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In a message dated 1/21/99 1:19:43 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
biblememistar.ca writes:

> By sending this message, I am, with all earnestness and
>  humility,
>  asking for guidance from brothers and sisters who are much closer,
>  older,
>  and wiser in the Lord than I.
>
>  -Thank you.
>  David Simmons

David,

This is a very tough issue to decide. I always recommend that people
memorize
the primary version used by their church- usually what the pastor preached
from. It can be confusing to be hearing a passage in a different
translation
than what you are memorizing. It can't be avoided totally, but it can be
minimized.

Dean

I apologize for the unnecessary remarks regarding the KJV only movement.
This is not the forum for such discussion.

As I hope is noted I do strongly encourage the use of KJV and related
Biblical resources.

Hi, Matt! Really appreciated your note and your desire to memorize
Scripture!

I have learned a lot of Scripture, a good majority of it with a plan I
developed when I was just out of college. With that I learned around 1,500
verses in a few years, and found that it was so helpful in so many, many
ways - both personally and for being a witness and a help to others
spiritually. My wife and I are now missionaries here in Irian Jaya. I'll
send you a separate e-mail with some info on us and our work here in case
you're interested.

I am really interested in getting others involved in Scripture
memorization, and in seeing what we might be able to do along that line
with e-mail and the Internet. Apparently you are also interested in getting
others involved. I would be glad to be a prayer partner with you, and would
pray regularly for you in your memorization, and would check up on you
occasionally if you desire - as well as praying for outreach to others.
Hopefully, I could contribute in that area as well, though my time is
limited now with other responsibilities, one of which is getting the
translation of the New Testament in the Nalja language ready for printing
by the end of this year.

OK, all for now. Let me know a little about yourself too.

Yours in Christ,


Roger E. Doriot

In a message dated 1/27/99 9:22:01 PM CST, tpicknet-link.net writes:

<<
Hello list!

My name is Tim Picking and I also am excited (cautiosly optimistic)
about memorizing scripture.  I started out memorizing the book of
Philippians but really went NOWHERE!  I guess this format could give me
the impetus to actually make it happen.  Questions.....

1. When do "we" start?
2. How do we start?
3. Who will start us?
4. Am I the only confused one?  LOL  :-)

In Him,

Tim
>>
1.) We've already started, you need to start today!
2.) Take a verse that speaks to you, write it on a card, carry it with you,
memorize it continually, meditate on it all the time.
3.) HE has already started you, with a new birth I hope. NOW DO SOMETHING
WITH
IT!
4.) No, you are not the only one confused. Many are on the broad way of
confusion. Get off. lol ;->

I didn't properly introduce myself as per instructions before I signed on!
Sorry.

I'm a registered nurse, who just retired from a large university hospital
after 25 years there,
the last 15 of which was spent as Nurse Manager on an Oncology floor.  I
have
a family, with nine grandchildren.

I was raised in a Christian home - not my own parents - from age 7.
(Biological facts do not always indicate parenthood!)  I have learned
through
the years that even that trauma was "meant for my good", since I found the
Lord in that home and in our church at an early age.

Through the years I have come to realize that the Scriptures which I
memorized
as a child in the various activities at church are those which came to me
when
I most needed them.  The Word has truly been my Help!.

I deplore more than anything the lack of Scripture memory activities in our
churches and in our Christian homes these days.  I have been burdened about
this for a long time, and I am praying for a love for the Scripture to
manifest itself anew in the Church today.  I believe that I am seeing an
answer to that prayer through this E-Mail Effort.

God bless all who are committed to this endeavor!

I just wanted to send out a good "God Bless You!" to those who just joined
our group.  I look forward to memorizing with you.

My experience has been this: it's best to memorize only a few isolated
verses, and then procede to longer passages/chapters/books.

Individual verses are a good way to begin; it's rather intimidating to
consider a whole book. You can get your memorization skills sharpened
with sets of small verses.

But the problem with memorizing too many isolated verses is that after a
while, you don't "know what you know", i.e., you know the verses, but you
don't know that you know them, because they are too many and too
scattered.

It helps if they fit into a framework. The Navigator's system I used had
60 verses, broken into 5 groups, and each group had six sub-headings with
two verses each. That helps me keep track of what I know.

But if a person had memorized hundreds of individual verses, it would be
difficult for him to know what they all were, unless he had some kind of
system.

Memorizing a passage or book, on the other hand, keeps a person's mind
"on track" because there's a natural "memory jog" from one verse to the
next.

- Andy Smith

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To follow up on an earlier posting, I'd say simply to memorize the one
you work with the most, the one your church / bible study group / family
/friends use the most.

I used to trouble my mind, and constantly compare several different
translations. But the different translations goofed up my memorizing, so
I put them all on a shelf and stick to one translation now.

For 99% of the verses in the Bible, there is no serious content
difference between translations, so even if you don't read Hebrew (or
Greek), you still can be comfortable with one translation. A good
commentary can help. I recommend the Keil-Delitzsch commentary. The
commentary will give you many different perspectives on a verse, without
goofing up your memorization the way different translations will.

- Andy Smith

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On Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:33:59 -0700 (MST) Eric and April Mathis
 writes:

>I also would love info. on finding a Nav.
>style verse pack to carry with me.

You can still buy them from the Navigators, but it's easiest to simply
make your own.

A.C. Smith

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I've found that putting the verse (or verses) I'm working on for the day, in
an open Notepad window on my computer desktop helps. I also put a version by
the kitchen sink.




:I enjoy Bible memory and find short-term memory very easy.  However, I
:have to put something down and then go back to it after about a month
:and review it heavily.  Then maybe several years later.  Then it is
:usually there for good.
:
:I have found it difficult to memorize long passages in the NIV (my
:preferred version now) when I run across a verse that I already know in
:the KJV (from childhood).  Anyone have suggestions on switching like
:that.
:
:A suggestion I have for those who know or are learning a second
:language, memorize passages in the new language, looking up any words or
:conjugations you don't understand.  It will help you learn the new
:language as well as give you a very good understanding of the passage as
:the ideas are often presented in a slightly different order and
:sometimes the nature of pronouns and word order are clearer through
:another language.
:
:
:
:
:
:

>I have found it difficult to memorize long passages in the NIV (my
>preferred version now) when I run across a verse that I already know in the
KJV (from childhood).  Anyone have suggestions on switching like that.

Hi Christie
My suggestion on switching versions is ... don't!
Learn verses in the NIV, for sure, but with your old stuff, just change a
word here and there to make it more easy to comprehend.

Unless you had deliberately tried to learn verses that sound quaint in the
KJV, most of the old stuff is fine, I reckon.

Here are some of the ones I learnt in Sunday School:
2 Corinthians 8:9
For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich,
for your sakes he became poor that you through his poverty migh become rich.
Nuffin hard about that one

Psalm 23 is fine
Psalm 1 is fine
John 3:16 is fine
John 14:6 is fine
Psa 119:105 is fine
Isaiah 40:8 is fine
In fact, I'm going to a party and I feel fine!
Whoops, that's the Beatles, not the Bible!

I am learning my new stuff in NIV, and have so far done 2 John, Philemon and
1 Peter 1:1-6. [Hoping to finish 1 Peter by end of April or earlier!] Takes
a lot of revision for me, and I don't know the new stuff nearly as good as
the old stuff yet.

Best wishes in your study of God's Word.
Once you get it into your head, then you can meditate on it day and night!
Now God might be able to do something with me!

John Piper, pastor of Bethlehem Baptist Church says that therehas been a
dramatic transformation in some churches through a significant number of the
congregation learning Scripture. [There's hope for Glenbrook Baptist Church,
yet!]

God bless all as you learn God's Word in the New Year.
David McKay
musicfl.net.au

Christie,

As for memorizing those passages that you once had in the KJV, I would
recommend that you use both.  It's been very helpful to have - on occassion-
another version familiarized in my head, so that I can see the difference.
But do stay with your primary version at all times.
I use the NKJV, & have the KJV on a few verses, and even the REB on one
verse to help me remember the underlying jist of Pual's flow of thought.

Mike Philliber

>I enjoy Bible memory and find short-term memory very easy.  However, I
>have to put something down and then go back to it after about a month
>and review it heavily.  Then maybe several years later.  Then it is
>usually there for good.
>
>I have found it difficult to memorize long passages in the NIV (my
>preferred version now) when I run across a verse that I already know in
>the KJV (from childhood).  Anyone have suggestions on switching like
>that.
>
>A suggestion I have for those who know or are learning a second
>language, memorize passages in the new language, looking up any words or
>conjugations you don't understand.  It will help you learn the new
>language as well as give you a very good understanding of the passage as
>the ideas are often presented in a slightly different order and
>sometimes the nature of pronouns and word order are clearer through
>another language.
>
>
>
>
>
>

Dear April
    I would like to know more about the Navigator system. Also my church
organization is heavily into Bible Quizzing for kids. So each year they
offer for sale a pack of Bible Verse Cards on whatever Book is being covered
that year. I'm currently using an old pack of Acts flashcards. If you are
interested I could get you the address.
Sincerely
Carol


:
:

Hi April,
from Drake at Memlok (Bible Memory System),

A verse pack (made by the man who used to make The NAVIGATORS
-mine is bus size tho), is at http://www.memlok.html/products.html#pch

Sample verse cards in NIV, NKJ, KJV, and NAS are at
http://www.memlok.com and http://www.memlok.com/samples.html
The system has 48 topics with about 12 cards each.

It's also on computer if you want to review there instead of around
your devotions or elsewhere at
http://www.memlok.com/pcmemlok.html

Also consider the Seven Devotional Tools. I'm trying to provide
means to apply the verses we memorize.
http://www.memlok.com/products.html#sevendevotionaltools

Hope this helps April,
Drake
PS I praise God for Hal Jensen's (The Nav's for 30 years) quote about
Memlok at http://www.memlok.com/recommen.html
PS Isn't this encouraging!
"For this reason we also constantly thank God that when you received from
us the word of God’s message, you accepted it not as the word of men, but
for what it really is, the word of God, which also performs its work in you
who believe." 1 Thes. 2:13 NASB

I thought I'd send you this. Hope it's helpful.At 12/30/1998, you wrote:
>Hi there,
>I hope this list is up and running.  My name is April and I want to get =
>back to Scripture memory after being away from it for several years. I =
>am a stay at home mom of 2 boys, ages 3 and 11 mos.   I was in the =
>Navigators in college, and I was so encouraged by the Topical Memory =
>system, but I haven't reviewed in years, and I am interested in hiding =
>the Word in my heart.  I would be interested in learning from you all as =
>to tips and techniques.  I also would love info. on finding a Nav. style =
>verse pack to carry with me. =20
>Thanks in advance, April in Maine
>
>
>
>

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On Fri, 1 Jan 1999  "Bramblewood"  writes:

>If you are interested I could get you the address.

I'm interested, too, in getting those flashcards.

- Andy Smith

a.c.smithjuno.com

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Happy New Year.
I hope you will have a great year learning God's word and meditating on it
day and night.

I read on the list of people using memory programs, flash cards, etc. All I
use is my old NIV [20 years old this year] and sometimes I type out a sheet
of my current verses to memorise.

So far I have learnt 1 John and Philemon, but I must keep reviewing them, or
I forget bits!

I am now on 1 Peter. and am in verse 10. I am hoping to complete chapter 1
during January, and the whole letter by the end of April.

What passages or verses are you learning?
There are some good sets of verses at
http://www.visi.com/~nordquis/fighter.html
from Bethlehem Baptist Church in Minneapolis Minnesota.

Best wishes
David McKay
musicfl.net.au

Greeting in the name of our Lord and Saviour, I will keep in my prayers
and I ask that you do the same for me. I'm is new at this bible memory,
but because you have a desire God is going to reward openly. So me
encouraged and never say I can't...because with God all things are
possible, but without him nothing is possibe.

-----Original Message-----
From: issinfo.com.ph [mailto:issinfo.com.ph]
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 1999 2:29 PM
To: biblememistar.ca
Subject: Re: BIBLEMEM: Scripture Memory Partner or Prayer Partner


Hi! My name is Issah (isabel) Please pay for me to. better still be my
prayer partner to inspire me in may memory project. I want to start soon
but still discouraged how I can I even memborize like the others in the
net. I can rephrase the verses but never can come around to recite one
by
heart.The Lord has placed the desire in my heart the past two months.
Can
you inspire and encourage me? I need a caring brother or sister who is
into
this to encourage me to do it at this time of my spiritual journey. My
upbringing as a Catholic did not emphasize the need to memorize verses.
But
wow I see the importance and practicality behind hiding the words in my
heart...Will you support me in this?
Thank you very much for your positive reply, Bro. Roger and God bless
you
and your ministry....


issah tobias
Philippines
.................................
At , you wrote:
>Hi, Matt! Really appreciated your note and your desire to memorize
>Scripture!
>
>I have learned a lot of Scripture, a good majority of it with a plan I
>developed when I was just out of college. With that I learned around
1,500
>verses in a few years, and found that it was so helpful in so many,
many
>ways - both personally and for being a witness and a help to others
>spiritually. My wife and I are now missionaries here in Irian Jaya.
I'll
>send you a separate e-mail with some info on us and our work here in
case
>you're interested.
>
>I am really interested in getting others involved in Scripture
>memorization, and in seeing what we might be able to do along that line
>with e-mail and the Internet. Apparently you are also interested in
getting
>others involved. I would be glad to be a prayer partner with you, and
would
>pray regularly for you in your memorization, and would check up on you
>occasionally if you desire - as well as praying for outreach to others.
>Hopefully, I could contribute in that area as well, though my time is
>limited now with other responsibilities, one of which is getting the
>translation of the New Testament in the Nalja language ready for
printing
>by the end of this year.
>
>OK, all for now. Let me know a little about yourself too.
>
>Yours in Christ,
>
>
>Roger E. Doriot
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