Date: Tue, 02 1999 09:01:07 -0500 Subject: BIBLEMEM: introduction From: "Meredith Vanderbilt" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Hi all, My name is Meredith and I,m a 26 yr old housewife who really needs to = get back in the word and this seems like a great way to start. I look = foward to studying with all of you.=20 =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 02 1999 14:28:40 -0500 Subject: BIBLEMEM: Hello From: Mike Arnaud My name is Mike, a new member to this list. I am in seminary training for the gospel ministry and even though engaged in theology and language studies and exegesis, there is a surprising lack of Bible memorization etc. at sem. I don't know who the thoughtful person was who introduced me to this list, but I would like to thank them. I appreciate anything that will help me in Scripture knowledge and growing in the grace of our Lord. Sola Scriptura! =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 02 1999 14:28:42 -0500 Subject: BIBLEMEM: Hello From: "Bennett, Wanda" Hello everyone, truly it is a pleasure to be apart of this wonderful group. My name is Wanda, the reason I desire to be apart of your group is that I need all the help I can get from my other sister and brothers in the Lord. I desire to memorize as many scriptures as possible, because at time like this it is going to take God's word to get us through all the trails a tribulations that may arise. I thank you for allowing me to join your group. Please keep me in your prayers and I will do the same for you. =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 02 1999 14:28:48 -0500 Subject: BIBLEMEM-intro From: Eric and April Mathis Another newbie intro. It has been so encouraging to read all of your intros. I have been on the list for a few weeks, but I've been mostly lurking. I am a stay at home mother of 2 boys, ages 3 yrs. and 1 yr. this week. I was so blessed by memorizing Scripture when I was in the Navigators in college through their Topical Memory System, but I've been away from it for a long time. My goal for 1999 is to love God and His Word more than I did in 1998, and I thought hiding His Word in my heart would help me. Thanks for all the encouragement. April in Maine =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 02 1999 14:28:49 -0500 Subject: BIBLEMEM: Introduction From: Jean) Hi my name is Jean. I'm a stay at home grandmother who needs to get back to the Word. I feel that the more I know the more my life will be enriched. But it will also give me the ability to better share with my grandchildren. I don't want them to walk most of their lives without the Lord, like I did. I'm hoping to learn better ways of memorizing passages in order to achieve above stated goals. The little tykes are only 2, 3, and 4. The perfect ages to soak up knowledge like a sponge. I look forward to studying, learning and praying with you all. Jean Guy jguycybersol.com s/w lower Michigan We can do no great things; only small things with great love Mother Theresa 1910-1997 =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 02 1999 14:29:20 -0500 Subject: BIBLEMEM: Question From: I have read everyone's introductions, and I have a question. Although we are all interested in memorizing scripture, I cannot assume that every is saved. So my question is, has everyone accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior (Rom. 10:9-10)? In case there is someone who hasn't and would like to do so, repeat this prayer: Dear Jesus, I, (your name), am in need of salvation. I have heard about you, but I want to know you for myself. I confess that your are Jesus, the Christ. I believe in my heart that God raised you from the dead. I am asking you to forgive me for my sins and be my Lord and Savior. Thank you, Jesus, for saving me and giving me eternal life. Amen. If you prayed this prayer in sincerity of heart, you are saved! If everyone who is a part of this group is saved, praise the Lord! I am very much a part of the evangelistic effort at my church. I never take for granted that someone is saved, even if they have been in church all of their lives. I ask all of you that if you have not already, please join me and countless others in soul winning. If you need any help with that, please let me know. God bless! =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 02 1999 14:29:25 -0500 Subject: BIBLEMEM: Thanks Matt! Habakkuk 2:3 From: In a message dated 1/26/99 8:23:02 AM Central Standard Time, mattlindabradshawnetscape.net writes: << God Bless you in your efforts. What are you working on now? Sincerely, Matt Bradshaw >> Hello Matt, Thanks for taking the time to welcome me. I am working on Habakkuk 2:3. "For the revelation awaits an appointed time; it speaks of the end and will not prove false. Though it linger, wait for it; it will certainly come and will not delay." I am part of a women's class at my church called Purity with Purpose. This is our memory verse for week one. It is a good scripture to meditate on. God Bless, Qynne =) =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 02 1999 14:29:29 -0500 Subject: BIBLEMEM: Introduction From: "Steve Squires" Hi. My name is Steve. I'm from Toronto, Canada. I'm 36 yrs old and have been a Christian for 8 yrs. I've been looking for a good way to memorize Scripture to get the Word of God ingrained into my memory so I can carry it with me wherever I go. I can't say that the past two years have been spent getting to know the Lord better, but that in fact, I have been falling away bit by bit. I always desire to renew my faith by increasing my studying of the bible though and need a boost of sorts. I hope to get my heart back into all of this and to get back on track again. =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 02 1999 14:29:32 -0500 Subject: BIBLEMEM: Wow! Nalja description and work From: Andrew C Smith Doriots, you are doing noble and good work! I will pray for you! A.C. Smith ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 02 1999 14:29:34 -0500 Subject: BIBLEMEM: New Member From: Hi, My name is Dave and I've just signed on to this list. Yes, I too have tried several times to begin and stay with a memory program. I have used the Navigators Topical study and still have the materials. However, if I stay with it for more than a few weeks, it is amazing! I have the usual reasons. Husband, father of two girls, a demanding job with a schedule that fluctuates from week to week. I get up before 5 am now just to get work on time. To get up earlier to work on scripture memory has not worked out well as my mind is a little foggy that early. After working 10 to 21 hours, my family would like some of my time. I know these are not reasons, but excuses. I also know that I am not alone with this type of schedule. But I also know that the most success I've had with memorization is when I had to for a class. So I need motivation! Help! =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 02 2000 22:43:41 -0500 Subject: BIBLEMEM:Introduction From: My name is John, 51, and I live in Syracuse, New York. I attend a non deno= m. Christian Church and I am married to a wonderful woman and have 2 stepchil= dren and to adorable step-grandchildren. I am looking forward to memorizing scriptures. I believe it will be a useful weapon in combating Satan. In Christ Jesus, John =86 =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 02 2000 22:45:20 -0500 Subject: BIBLEMEM: New Member From: "RandyR" Hi, My name's Randy, and I'm a new Christian and a newly recovering alcoholic. I haven't seriously attempted to memorize Scripture before, but I did try once while still drinking. (Can't memorize Scripture drunk? imagine that. ). I look forward to memorizing Scripture with all of you. Yours in Christ, Randy R =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 02 1999 09:04:46 -0500 Subject: BIBLEMEM: Please resend messages From: "Stephen Simpson" Greetings, There were a few people who sent messages to the list within the last 24 hours. Specifically the messages were about the KJV vs NKJV. I did something silly and deleted the messages before I could process them. Would anyone who send a message to the list in the last 24 hours please send it out again? Thanks and sorry for the trouble Stephen Simpson, list owner ssimpsonistar.ca =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 02 1999 15:49:06 -0500 Subject: BIBLEMEM: RE: BIBLEMEM: Advice needed From: "Johnson, Dan" David, I do not proclaim to be a Bible scholar but I do lay claims to being a man growing in the Lord. The best way to settle which version to use is to decide which one suits you personally. The history of the KJV dates back to about 1600 and it has 16 different versions of it, each using the same syntax. The point is that God's Word endures and any version is just a copy of that and the ability to get back to the source documents are available to all Christians today in many ways. So pick the one you like, understand its strengths and weaknesses, and have a blessed time while you memorize the Word of the Lord. DAN Johnson > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Simpson [SMTP:biblememistar.ca] > Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 10:13 PM > To: biblememistar.ca > Subject: BIBLEMEM: Advice needed > > I have just begun memorizing Scripture, but I face (what appears to me as) > a major delimma. I have decided to memorized the either KJV or the NKJV. > Narrowing the field down to these two choices was hard enough! (I am well > aware of the KJ-Only arguements and found them to be bankrupt and, at > times, just plain silly.) My problem is in deciding which one to > memorize. I am prepared to invest a huge proportion of my time into this > undertaking, which is why I want to get this thing settled within me. I > don't want to look back and second guess this decision. The KJ is > absolutely beautiful, especially so in poetic passages, and is instantly > recognizable as scripture. And it will probably endure for as long as > Shakespeare does, which certainly be throughout my lifetime (and, > hopefully, till the second coming!). It just seems to have a timeless > quality to it. However, I have found certain passages in the KJ to be, > well....not as correct as some other versions. The NKJ is an excellent > translation, and I am quite pleased in its handling of the 'hot spots.' > (My term for the words-verses-passages that provokes debate concerning > their translation.) However, the NKJV has already been revised since its > release. I have no desire to memorize a large portion of the Bible only > to have small, but meaningful, changes made to it, or to have it dissapear > altogether! (Who uses the AS of 1901?). Despite the excellency found in > its translation, I am wary of its longevity. Any thought, feedback, or > advice on this area would be extremely helpful. > > Thanks, and God Bless!! > > P.S.--I realize that the purpose of this group is NOT to debate > translations, but to strengthen and to encourage each other in memorizing > A translation. I have no desire to claim that one single translation is > superior to all other translations. They are were all done in different > periods by different groups with a different focus, purpose, and audience > in mind. By sending this message, I am, with all earnestness and > humility, asking for guidance from brothers and sisters who are much > closer, older, and wiser in the Lord than I. > > -Thank you. > David Simmons =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 02 1999 15:49:07 -0500 Subject: BIBLEMEM: Re: BIBLEMEM: Advice needed From: MEMORIZE THE OLD KJV DEFINATELY THERE IS MORE POWER AND LIFE IN IT THAN ANY OTHER WATERED DOWN VERSION. In a message dated 1/21/99 0:19:43 AM CST, biblememistar.ca writes: << Subj: BIBLEMEM: Advice needed Date: 1/21/99 0:19:43 AM CST From: biblememistar.ca (Stephen Simpson) To: biblememistar.ca I have just begun memorizing Scripture, but I face (what appears to me as) a major delimma. I have decided to memorized the either KJV or the NKJV. Narrowing the field down to these two choices was hard enough! (I am well aware of the KJ-Only arguements and found them to be bankrupt and, at times, just plain silly.) My problem is in deciding which one to memorize. I am prepared to invest a huge proportion of my time into this undertaking, which is why I want to get this thing settled within me. I don't want to look back and second guess this decision. The KJ is absolutely beautiful, especially so in poetic passages, and is instantly recognizable as scripture. And it will probably endure for as long as Shakespeare does, which certainly be throughout my lifetime (and, hopefully, till the second coming!). It just seems to have a timeless quality to it. However, I have found certain passages in the KJ to be, well....not as correct as some other versions. The NKJ is an excellent translation, and I am quite pleased in its handling of the 'hot spots.' (My term for the words/verses/passages that provokes debate concerning their translation.) However, the NKJV has already been revised since its release. I have no desire to memorize a large portion of the Bible only to have small, but meaningful, changes made to it, or to have it dissapear altogether! (Who uses the AS of 1901?). Despite the excellency found in its translation, I am wary of its longevity. Any thought, feedback, or advice on this area would be extremely helpful. Thanks, and God Bless!! P.S.--I realize that the purpose of this group is NOT to debate translations, but to strengthen and to encourage each other in memorizing A translation. I have no desire to claim that one single translation is superior to all other translations. They are were all done in different periods by different groups with a different focus, purpose, and audience in mind. By sending this message, I am, with all earnestness and humility, asking for guidance from brothers and sisters who are much closer, older, and wiser in the Lord than I. -Thank you. David Simmons ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd03.mx.aol.com (rly-zd03.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.227]) by air-zd01.mail.aol.com (v56.22) with SMTP; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 01:19:43 -0500 Received: from mail1.toronto.istar.net (mail1.toronto.istar.net [209.89.75.17]) by rly-zd03.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id BAA21194; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 01:19:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from ms01-256.tor.istar.ca ([137.186.225.2] helo=istar.ca) by mail1.toronto.istar.net with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 103D77-0001x4-00; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 00:57:10 -0500 Message-ID: <36A6C585.41E3BA1Cistar.ca> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 01:13:25 -0500 From: Stephen Simpson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: biblememistar.ca Subject: BIBLEMEM: Advice needed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 02 1999 15:49:09 -0500 Subject: BIBLEMEM: Fw: BIBLEMEM: Advice needed From: "Bramblewood" Visit New Life site at http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/1195 -----Original Message----- From: Bramblewood To: Stephen Simpson Date: Thursday, January 21, 1999 1:53 AM Subject: Re: BIBLEMEM: Advice needed Praise the Lord, Dear David Simmons I am always willing to put my two cents in, especially when I'm asked! :) I stay with the King James version for the two reasons you've mentioned. It's beautiful and it doesn't get changed . Also the stucture and cadence of old English tends to stick in my mind. Like you I don't subscribe to theological debates over KJ vs. NKJ. I find that so amusing! What about the French, the Chinese, etc? Would we ask a French brother to give up his Louis Second? Hardly. However, for memorization and study the Living Bible leaves me cold. Just reading it is ok. As a teacher I would encourage you to find your own learning style and go with that. If you're a visual learner which version is going to stick? If you're an auditory learner which version will you "hear" the best? All the best, Carol Dixon PS Having said I'm a teacher, may I say that my computer throws my sentences all over. I can't figure out how to format my letters. It galls me that people might think I don't know how to put a paragraph together. "Vanity, vanity all is vanity.... : :Visit New Life site at http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/1195 :-----Original Message----- :From: Stephen Simpson :To: biblememistar.ca :Date: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 10:19 PM :Subject: BIBLEMEM: Advice needed : : ::I have just begun memorizing Scripture, but I face (what appears to me ::as) a ::major delimma. I have decided to memorized the either KJV or the NKJV. ::Narrowing the field down to these two choices was hard enough! (I am ::well ::aware of the KJ-Only arguements and found them to be bankrupt and, at ::times, just plain silly.) My problem is in deciding which one to ::memorize. I am ::prepared to invest a huge proportion of my time into this undertaking, ::which is why I want to get this thing settled within me. I don't want to ::look ::back and second guess this decision. The KJ is absolutely beautiful, ::especially ::so in poetic passages, and is instantly recognizable as scripture. And ::it ::will probably endure for as long as Shakespeare does, which certainly be ::throughout my lifetime (and, hopefully, till the second coming!). It ::just ::seems to have a timeless quality to it. However, I have found certain ::passages in the KJ to be, well....not as correct as some other versions. ::The NKJ is an excellent translation, and I am quite pleased in its ::handling of ::the 'hot spots.' (My term for the words/verses/passages that provokes ::debate concerning their translation.) However, the NKJV has already been ::revised ::since its release. I have no desire to memorize a large portion of the ::Bible only to have small, but meaningful, changes made to it, or to have ::it ::dissapear altogether! (Who uses the AS of 1901?). Despite the excellency ::found in its translation, I am wary of its longevity. Any thought, ::feedback, ::or advice on this area would be extremely helpful. :: ::Thanks, and God Bless!! :: ::P.S.--I realize that the purpose of this group is NOT to debate ::translations, but to strengthen and to encourage each other in ::memorizing A ::translation. I have no desire to claim that one single translation is ::superior to all other translations. They are were all done in different ::periods by different groups with a different focus, purpose, and ::audience ::in mind. By sending this message, I am, with all earnestness and ::humility, ::asking for guidance from brothers and sisters who are much closer, ::older, ::and wiser in the Lord than I. :: ::-Thank you. ::David Simmons :: :: : : =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 02 1999 15:49:04 -0500 Subject: BIBLEMEM: Re: BIBLEMEM: Advice needed From: "Michael Jackson" David: I think you just have to decide which version YOU feel most comfortable with and I don't think anybody can make that decision for you. If you want something that is unchanging the KJV will always be exactly what it is and I think you point out correctly that the handling of the english language in KJV is masterful and beautiful. I happen to like the New American Standard version because I have been using is since 1977 and I feel comfortable with it; but that doesn't mean it's best for everybody. Mike Jackson jacksonmgghlaw.com > I have just begun memorizing Scripture, but I face (what appears to me > as) a > major delimma. I have decided to memorized the either KJV or the NKJV. > Narrowing the field down to these two choices was hard enough! (I am > well > aware of the KJ-Only arguements and found them to be bankrupt and, at > times, just plain silly.) My problem is in deciding which one to > memorize. I am > prepared to invest a huge proportion of my time into this undertaking, > which is why I want to get this thing settled within me. I don't want to > look > back and second guess this decision. The KJ is absolutely beautiful, > especially > so in poetic passages, and is instantly recognizable as scripture. And > it > will probably endure for as long as Shakespeare does, which certainly be > throughout my lifetime (and, hopefully, till the second coming!). It > just > seems to have a timeless quality to it. However, I have found certain > passages in the KJ to be, well....not as correct as some other versions. > The NKJ is an excellent translation, and I am quite pleased in its > handling of > the 'hot spots.' (My term for the words/verses/passages that provokes > debate concerning their translation.) However, the NKJV has already been > revised > since its release. I have no desire to memorize a large portion of the > Bible only to have small, but meaningful, changes made to it, or to have > it > dissapear altogether! (Who uses the AS of 1901?). Despite the excellency > found in its translation, I am wary of its longevity. Any thought, > feedback, > or advice on this area would be extremely helpful. > > Thanks, and God Bless!! > > P.S.--I realize that the purpose of this group is NOT to debate > translations, but to strengthen and to encourage each other in > memorizing A > translation. I have no desire to claim that one single translation is > superior to all other translations. They are were all done in different > periods by different groups with a different focus, purpose, and > audience > in mind. By sending this message, I am, with all earnestness and > humility, > asking for guidance from brothers and sisters who are much closer, > older, > and wiser in the Lord than I. > > -Thank you. > David Simmons =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 02 1999 15:49:06 -0500 Subject: BIBLEMEM: RE: BIBLEMEM: Advice needed From: "Johnson, Dan" David, I do not proclaim to be a Bible scholar but I do lay claims to being a man growing in the Lord. The best way to settle which version to use is to decide which one suits you personally. The history of the KJV dates back to about 1600 and it has 16 different versions of it, each using the same syntax. The point is that God's Word endures and any version is just a copy of that and the ability to get back to the source documents are available to all Christians today in many ways. So pick the one you like, understand its strengths and weaknesses, and have a blessed time while you memorize the Word of the Lord. DAN Johnson > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Simpson [SMTP:biblememistar.ca] > Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 10:13 PM > To: biblememistar.ca > Subject: BIBLEMEM: Advice needed > > I have just begun memorizing Scripture, but I face (what appears to me as) > a major delimma. I have decided to memorized the either KJV or the NKJV. > Narrowing the field down to these two choices was hard enough! (I am well > aware of the KJ-Only arguements and found them to be bankrupt and, at > times, just plain silly.) My problem is in deciding which one to > memorize. I am prepared to invest a huge proportion of my time into this > undertaking, which is why I want to get this thing settled within me. I > don't want to look back and second guess this decision. The KJ is > absolutely beautiful, especially so in poetic passages, and is instantly > recognizable as scripture. And it will probably endure for as long as > Shakespeare does, which certainly be throughout my lifetime (and, > hopefully, till the second coming!). It just seems to have a timeless > quality to it. However, I have found certain passages in the KJ to be, > well....not as correct as some other versions. The NKJ is an excellent > translation, and I am quite pleased in its handling of the 'hot spots.' > (My term for the words-verses-passages that provokes debate concerning > their translation.) However, the NKJV has already been revised since its > release. I have no desire to memorize a large portion of the Bible only > to have small, but meaningful, changes made to it, or to have it dissapear > altogether! (Who uses the AS of 1901?). Despite the excellency found in > its translation, I am wary of its longevity. Any thought, feedback, or > advice on this area would be extremely helpful. > > Thanks, and God Bless!! > > P.S.--I realize that the purpose of this group is NOT to debate > translations, but to strengthen and to encourage each other in memorizing > A translation. I have no desire to claim that one single translation is > superior to all other translations. They are were all done in different > periods by different groups with a different focus, purpose, and audience > in mind. By sending this message, I am, with all earnestness and > humility, asking for guidance from brothers and sisters who are much > closer, older, and wiser in the Lord than I. > > -Thank you. > David Simmons =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 02 1999 15:49:05 -0500 Subject: BIBLEMEM: Re: BIBLEMEM: KJV comments. From: Joel Peter Anderson Personally I vote for the KJV. Yes, I agree the KJV-only movement is absurd and silly at best; at worst, wrong-headed and blasphemous. 1) for good or bad KJV is a standard. NKJ is a modern commercial product and I doubt will ever be widely used in Christendom. NIV seems currently to be the modern standard. 2) the language happens to be beautiful - this is kind of an "accident", but it is a gift that we can enjoy and be grateful for. 3) the language is meaningful. To the best of my knowledge, it is the only widely available translation that preserves the ye/you (plural) thee/thou (singular) second person. Other translations use "thee/thou" for the the invalid "royal/divine" person, which doesn't exist in Greek and Hebrew. 4) you can easily acquire good classic references (Strong's and others) keyed to it. For next to nothing on the web you can download tools, or use them on the web (http://www.biblestudytools.net/, http://www.khouse.org/blueletter/). *BIG* advantage of OLD translation is that you don't have to deal with copyright issues as you do with NASB, NIV, NLT, etc. 5) the language is WEIRD. It sticks in the memory better. it preserves odd idioms of the original text that modern texts erase - again, makes it "stick" in your memory better. Most of my memory work has been KJV, though I read NIV and NLT mostly. That said, currently I'm aiming at using the NLT. In the past I've found modern translations hard to use since the language tends to be more paraphrase-y and hard to get word-perfect. OTOH, one plus about modern translations, like the Living Bible, or New Living Translation is that short passages tend to draw in more of the context, due to their paraphrase nature. ** joel anderson * joelants.umn.edu * mrklingonhotmail.com ** **** Hegh tI, 'ej ngab tI naH, 'ach reH taHtaH joH'a'ma' mu'**** **"The grass withers, and the flowers fade, but the word of our ** ** God stands forever." Isaiah 40.8 NLT** http://umn.edu/~joela ** **http://members.aol.com/JPKlingon/uta: The Universal Translator** =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 02 1999 22:40:24 -0500 Subject: BIBLEMEM: memorizing - KJV, NKJV, NIV, etc. From: Andrew C Smith As it happened to me, I'm old enough that when I was a child, the KJV was pretty much still the only Bible in use, so I've memorized some passages from it. Now, I memorize from the NIV. But in between times, I also memorized some from the RSV and from the NASB and from the NKJV. So I've memorized a variety of things. I would expect this to be confusing for me, but it isn't, because I've memorized each passage exactly as it was written in that translation. It really hasn't been a problem, although you might think it would be. I would say, if you're going to memorize a long passage or chapter or whole book, stick to one version. But if you want to memorize a Psalm in NIV, and then the Sermon on the Mount in KJV, and then a chapter from Romans in NASB, it really wouldn't be a problem, and it might even bring blessings as you meditate on God's Word in different forms. a.c.smithjuno.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 02 1999 22:40:51 -0500 Subject: BIBLEMEM: Thanks for support From: "One of the McKays" Since coming into this list in November, I have memorised 3 chapters of Scripture: 2 John, Philemon and 1 Peter. I have been inspired by some of the stories I have read here. Thanks for your help! This has been a great blessing to me. It has been wonderful meditating on God's Word. But, it takes a lot of revision to keep these new chapters in memory for this bloke! I have also received 2 lovely letters from the 2 men I think of when I think about my Sunday School teachers who first taught me to memorise Scripture. Tom, who is now in his 70s, told me that he is not still teaching Sunday School, but for the past 19 years has been teaching Scripture classes in local state primary schools. His church made a promise to always provide teachers for every class that needed one, and so far, they have always been able to do so. Cec, also in his 70s, told me that he sees so many people that he taught in Sunday School who are no longer following Christ. I wonder how many of them let the Word become a part of them by learning it? As I go back to school next week, I hope, by God's grace, to enthuse my students in our Inter School Christian Fellowship group to learn a verse each week. David McKay musicfl.net.au =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 02 1999 00:38:53 -0500 Subject: BIBLEMEM: Scripture Memory Partner or Prayer Partner From: Matt Bradshaw Hi, = My name is Matt Bradshaw. I am new to this forum. Let me know if you wo= uld like to work with me on Scripture memory. It is an area that I have not = been as active in my spiritual relationship with the Lord. Pray that the Lord= will guide me as I meditate and memorize the scripture. Also, pray that I can= lead others in my church to get more actively involved in scripture memory. Yours in Christ, Matt Bradshaw ____________________________________________________________________ More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at htt= p://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 02 1999 21:48:05 -0500 Subject: BIBLEMEM: Newbie From: Hello everyone, My name is Qynne. I am a wife and mother of two young children. I am joining this list because I need to be stretched in the spiritual discipline of scripture memory. I sense the Lord calling me deeper in the Spirit to maturity. I am hoping to learn from all of you who have been doing this for a while. I look forward to getting to know you, Qynne =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 02 1999 08:59:57 -0500 Subject: BIBLEMEM: Introduction From: "Louise" Hi, I'm Louise. I used to memorize a lot, but I haven't done much for = the past few years. I know I need to. I'm having some problems with = stress and depression. Any sugestions? My 17 year old son has turned = his back on the Lord and I need to hang onto God's promises for = salvation for him and answers to prayer. Louise =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 02 1999 09:00:27 -0500 Subject: BIBLEMEM: Testimony, Nalja description and work From: "Roger E. Doriot" TESTIMONIES - DORIOTS Since I grew up in a Christian home, near Fayette, Ohio, and we regularly attended an evangelical church, I knew much of the Bible and understood the Gospel from an early age. It was at the age of ten that I definitely received Christ as my personal Savior, on July 15, 1954, at a Bible camp in Greenfield, Ohio. I had been convicted of being a sinner and needing to be saved for some time, and on a Thursday evening at the evangelistic service, I went forward to an altar there and asked the Lord to save me. At the same camp two years later, at a campfire service, I made a complete commitment of my life to the Lord, in accordance with Romans 12:1,2, determining to do whatever the Lord wanted me to do with my life. Early in life, I chose Proverbs 3:5,6 as my life verses: Trust in the Lord with all thine heart, and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths After high school, I attended Bible college one year, then studied Civil Engineering. After graduation, I worked as an engineer for about three years. Then I felt the Lord wanted me to prepare for fulltime Christian service, and went on to seminary. During my seminary years, I met Suzanne Fogle, and after we were married, the Lord led Suzanne and me into association with UFM International, and after graduation, we went to Irian Jaya to serve in a church-planting and Bible translation ministry. Roger E. Doriot My father made the navy his career, so our family moved often. In each new location we found a gospel preaching church and became faithful members soon after. Early in life I learned the basics of salvation from my mother. These truths concerning my personal sin and Christ substitutionary death were deeply meaningful to me though I was of pre-school age. During a week-long revival service I went forward in response to the invitation and publicly acknowledged my faith in Jesus Christ as my Savior. A few weeks later after following the Lord in baptism, I felt moved to become a missionary nurse. This became a life-time commitment to the Lord. At age 12 while living in Japan, I read about an African boy in the Readers Digest. As a result I committed my life to serve the Lord in a tribal situation. Throughout my life many different Scriptures have been used of God to encourage and guide me. John 3:16-18 has been the basis for my understanding of and my assurance of salvation. Suzanne Doriot NALJA, IRIAN JAYA Irian Jaya is the former Dutch New Guinea, or West Irian, the western half of the second largest island in the world. It is located just north of Australia, just below the equator. It is a province (state) in the country of Indonesia. The one and a half million inhabitants are divided into about 20 260 different tribes, some as small as 100 or less people with a distinct language. The Nalja tribe is a tribe of about 8,000 people, living in about 50 different villages in an 800 square mile area of interior mountain highlands, about 125 miles south of Sentani (MAF base) and Jayapura (provincal capitol - formerly Hollandia) on the north coast. The Nalja people are short, almost pygmy type, kinky haired black- skinned people. Agriculture and a little hunting provide bare subsistence living, sweet potatoes being the staple. Inter- village fighting with bows and arrows was common in the past, with cannibalism practised occasionally. They live in round grass-roofed houses, with no furniture, and a fireplace in the center of the room. Animism has been their religion, primarily involving worship and fear of spirits, supposedly of their departed ancestors. The need for sanitation was not known, medicine was unknown - in fact, these people had no contact with the outside world until the latter half of this twentieth century. HISTORY OF THE NALJA WORK Two UFM missionaries trekked for about a week through the dense jungle from the nearest airstrip to contact the Nalja tribe in 1963. A short airstrip was built and opened in 1964, with the Stan Sadlier family arriving to begin the work. Analyzing the unwritten language was difficult, and interest by the people low, so the work went slowly during the initial years. Sadliers had to leave the field, and the Cuttings and several other families and individuals spent some time at Nalja. Finally, in 1970, a break came, and the first village burned their fetishes. There were still some ups and downs, but in 1974 the first believer was baptized. The Doriots arrived in late 1975, just as preparations were being made for the first major baptism. Forty were baptized in 1976, and forty-six more in 1977, but then a big inter-village war set things back significantly. However, in a couple years, things began to move forward even more rapidly. By the end of 1981, church membership had doubled, and by 1984 had doubled again, making a total of about 400 baptized believers when Doriots left for furlough that year. During that one year of furlough, the church came into its own, learning to pretty much carry on by themselves, and 218 additional belivers were baptized. There were then about fifteen churches organized with indigenous leadership, over thirty-five villages having at least one baptized believer, and evangelists working in most of the other villages in the tribe as well. In the subsequent years, the church has continued to grow. In 1986, almost another hundred were baptized, and about 200 more in 1987, which gave the tribe 1000 baptized believers. The number has continued to climb. However, there was another inter-village war in 1989, which was not finally settled until 1991. This was a significant setback for a time for five major villages. Several young men are in an Indonesian Bible School on the coast (first graduate in 1992), with other leaders being trained in the Nalja Bible School, in the vernacular language. Several fellows are taking, or planning to take, further theological training in other parts of Indonesia. The Doriots are now working with the Nalja church in reaching out into a number of neighboring unevangelized tribes, as well as working to complete the translation of the New Testament and continuing to work to develop leadership and help and advise current tribal leaders. LIFE AT NALJA Life for a missionary at Nalja is a little different than life in the States, to be sure. Our closest neighbors (other than our tribal friends) live two days' walk away, or fifteen minutes by single engine aircraft. There are no roads in the Nalja jungle. However, we do have an SSB radio, so we have contact almost every day with people from other interior stations or on the coast. Cooking is done on a wood-burning stove, and running water comes by a 3/4 inch plastic pipe from a spring 100 yards away. We have a kerosene-burning refrigerator, and electric lights by a 12-volt DC system powered by two solar panels on our roof. Labor is cheap, so we have some househelp to assist in cooking, cleaning, watching children, etc., to free as much of our time as possible for the multitude of responsibilities here. Besides her household duties, Suzanne does much medical work, and also has Bible studies with different groups of ladies. Roger works on translation and literacy, preaches, counsels, and advises in various areas, supervises station and airstrip maintenance (and new airstrip construction - Terablu is now the seventh airstrip in the area), does ordering, bookkeeping, and correspondence, occasionally treks through the mountains to various villages to assist and encourage the local believers and workers, plus whatever else needs to be done at the moment. We look forward to the arrival of the MAF airplane every week or so to get mail, as well as to the summer and Christmas holidays and vacations, when we can be together with our whole family, as the older children must go to school away from home on the coast. The work is sometimes difficult, many times discouraging, even exasperating, but also rewarding, fulfilling, and satisfying, and we wouldn't trade places with anyone, as we believe this is where the Lord wants us to be. With the Lord watching over us, and a multitude of friends and relatives caring and praying for us back home, what more could we need or want? PERMANENT PRAYER REQUESTS 1. Spiritual growth and testimony of Nalja believers. 2. Wisdom for, and continuing development of, church leadership. 3. Love, patience, wisdom, and personal discipline for Doriots. 4. Evangelism of the unreached and the uncommitted. 5. Translation, distribution, and reading of the Scriptures. 6. Bible school, literacy, and general schooling. 7. Adequate finances to carry on necessary ministries, including funding needed to reach new tribes. BIRTHDAYS Roger: October 6, 1943 Suzanne: February 18, 1949 Kathy: December 26, 1973 Jonathan: February 26, 1975 Brian: July 12, 1976 Linda: October 12, 1982 Daniel: December 27, 1985 rogerdoriotxc.org http://www.jesus-connect.net/world/jesus/Doriot =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 02 1999 09:00:45 -0500 Subject: BIBLEMEM: Introduction From: "tracy " Hi my name is tracy and I am very excited about this memorization = group.. I am a 4 year old Christian. I am a stay at home mom with 2 = children 10 and 5 and a husband who's a truck driver and gone most of = the time. We have been together 12 years and married 10. We are high = school sweethearts. We had parted during high school for about 7 years = then got back together..I love to do creative memories and work out.. I = will try my best with Gods strength to keep up with everyone..May you = all be blessed..In His love, tracy:-) =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 02 1999 22:17:38 -0500 Subject: Hi all! From: Tim Hello list! My name is Tim Picking and I also am excited (cautiosly optimistic) about memorizing scripture. I started out memorizing the book of Philippians but really went NOWHERE! I guess this format could give me the impetus to actually make it happen. Questions..... 1. When do "we" start? 2. How do we start? 3. Who will start us? 4. Am I the only confused one? LOL :-) In Him, Tim =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 02 1999 22:17:12 -0500 Subject: Intro From: "Rebecca Steadman" Hi, My name is Rebecca. I am new to the group and see that many others are too. I have been working on simplifying my life--gave up a long career and now work only part time. The stress was literally killing me. Our only son is in his first year of college. My husband is an owner-operator of heavy equipment. Though he is a wonderful husband, he is not a Christian. We have been married for nearly 18 years. We live in Alaska--he was born here and I've been here almost 20 years. Years ago, I had memorized the book of James but did not keep reviewing it and can probably only quote about 2-3 chapters now. I feel the need to start again and am very eager to learn methods, obtain a list of others' favorites, and maybe even start a group of memorizers in our church. I do have lots of questions, but those will come later... Rebecca =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 02 2000 22:43:38 -0500 Subject: RCRC From: "One of the McKays" Today is the first day of school in state schools in NSW, Australia. Instead of taking our own lessons to classes, we were given lessons on study, planning, etc to teach. And they were pretty good! For Year Seven students, there was a part of a lesson on Read Cover Recite Review and I thought: this is just what I do to remember Scripture! I am now in 1 Peter 2. I learn the new verses easily, but sequencing is my biggest problem . I can remember Philemon up to the greetings and all of 2 John. But with ! Peter 1 I get stuck remembering which section comes next1 Back to the books! David McKay musicfl.net.au =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 02 2000 22:45:30 -0500 Subject: Re: [BIBLEMEM: Introduction] From: Matt Bradshaw Steve, Will be praying for you as you determine in your heart to serve God. Rem= ember that with Him all things are possible. Let me know if you need assistanc= e. Sincerely, Matt Bradshaw Olive Branch, TN = biblememistar.ca wrote: Hi. My name is Steve. I'm from Toronto, Canada. I'm 36 yrs old and have been a Christian for 8 yrs. I've been looking for a good way to memorize Scripture to get the Word of= God ingrained into my memory so I can carry it with me wherever I go. I can't= say that the past two years have been spent getting to know the Lord better, but that in fact, I have been falling away bit by bit. I always desire to= renew my faith by increasing my studying of the bible though and need a boost of sorts. I hope to get my heart back into all of this and to get back on track again. ____________________________________________________________________ More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at htt= p://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 02 1999 00:38:45 -0500 Subject: Re: [BIBLEMEM: Thanks for support] From: Matt Bradshaw David, Thanks for the note! It is a great encouragement to me to hear about you= r time spent memorizing God's word. I have not been very consistant over t= he years doing this. However, it is a powerful way to share God's word and = his love. It seems like we all go through periods of time that we are able t= o focus more on this aspect of Bible study more than at other times. But, = it is so vital to our relationship to God and our relationship with others. Sincerely, Matt Bradshaw = biblememistar.ca wrote: Since coming into this list in November, I have memorised 3 chapters of Scripture: 2 John, Philemon and 1 Peter. I have been inspired by some of the stories I have read here. Thanks for your help! This has been a great blessing to me. It has been wonderful meditating on= God's Word. But, it takes a lot of revision to keep these new chapters in= memory for this bloke! I have also received 2 lovely letters from the 2 men I think of when I think about my Sunday School teachers who first taught me to memorise Scripture= =2E Tom, who is now in his 70s, told me that he is not still teaching Sunday= School, but for the past 19 years has been teaching Scripture classes in local state primary schools. His church made a promise to always provide teachers for every class that needed one, and so far, they have always be= en able to do so. Cec, also in his 70s, told me that he sees so many people that he taught = in Sunday School who are no longer following Christ. I wonder how many of th= em let the Word become a part of them by learning it? As I go back to school next week, I hope, by God's grace, to enthuse my students in our Inter School Christian Fellowship group to learn a verse each week. David McKay musicfl.net.au ____________________________________________________________________ More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at htt= p://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 02 1999 00:38:49 -0500 Subject: Re: [BIBLEMEM: memorizing - KJV, NKJV, NIV, etc.] From: Matt Bradshaw I believe your right when it comes to memorizing the Word from different translations. I noticed it helped me a lot with Psalms 33:11. It helped= me in my understanding of God's thoughts verses God's plans using the KJV, NIV and the NAS. I still like to use the KJV. However, I think using th= e NIV would be better for some of the longer segments. Thanks for the note. Sincerely, Matt Bradshaw biblememistar.ca wrote: As it happened to me, I'm old enough that when I was a child, the KJV was= pretty much still the only Bible in use, so I've memorized some passages from it. Now, I memorize from the NIV. But in between times, I also memorized some from the RSV and from the NASB and from the NKJV. So I've memorized a variety of things. I would expect this to be confusing for me, but it isn't, because I've memorized each passage exactly as it was written in that translation. It really hasn't been a problem, although you might think it would be. I would say, if you're going to memorize a long passage or chapter or whole book, stick to one version. But if you want to memorize a Psalm in NIV, and then the Sermon on the Mount in KJV, and then a chapter from Romans in NASB, it really wouldn't be a problem, and it might even bring blessings as you meditate on God's Word in different forms. a.c.smithjuno.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ____________________________________________________________________ More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at htt= p://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 02 1999 09:00:52 -0500 Subject: Re: [BIBLEMEM: Newbie] From: Matt Bradshaw Qynne, God Bless you in your efforts. What are you working on now? Sincerely, Matt Bradshaw biblememistar.ca wrote: Hello everyone, My name is Qynne. I am a wife and mother of two young children. I am joining this list because I need to be stretched in the spiritual discipline of scripture memory. I sense the Lord calling me deeper in the Spirit to maturity. I am hoping to learn from all of you who have been doing this for a while. I look forward to getting to know you, Qynne ____________________________________________________________________ More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at htt= p://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 02 2000 22:44:18 -0500 Subject: Re: [Intro] From: Matt Bradshaw Hi Rebecca, My name is Matt Bradshaw. My wife and I live in Olive Branch, MS. It wa= s great to hear from you. I am working on the Book of James too. Years ago= I memorized the first chapter of James. I am reviewing it now. Will pray for you as you work on your memorizing. God Bless, Matt & Linda = biblememistar.ca wrote: Hi, My name is Rebecca. I am new to the group and see that many others are too. I have been working on simplifying my life--gave up a long career and now= work only part time. The stress was literally killing me. Our only son i= s in his first year of college. My husband is an owner-operator of heavy equipment. Though he is a wonderful husband, he is not a Christian. We have been married for nearly 18 years. We live in Alaska--he was born he= re and I've been here almost 20 years. Years ago, I had memorized the book of James but did not keep reviewing i= t and can probably only quote about 2-3 chapters now. I feel the need to start again and am very eager to learn methods, obtain a list of others' favorites, and maybe even start a group of memorizers in our church. I do have lots of questions, but those will come later... Rebecca ____________________________________________________________________ More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at htt= p://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 02 1999 14:28:59 -0500 Subject: Re: [Re: BIBLEMEM: Scripture Memory Partner or Prayer Partner] From: Matt Bradshaw Thank you for your note. I am interested in learning more about your work in the mission field. That is another area that is close to my heart. I have not spent as much time in Scripture Memory as I should over the years. = However, I have done some. I am reviewing some of the work I have already y done and trying to move forward with the memory work. Currently one of my goals is to memorize the book of James and work on some other verses and chapters. Do you think it will get easier the longer you do it? Yes, I would like your encouragement as your time permits. I am a buyer/purchasing agent my wife and I moved to Olive Branch, MS about a year and a half ago. My company Clark Material Handling decided at the end of last year to move the operations to Lexington, KY (headquarters). I didn't go. So, I am currently looking for employment. I have a job interview locally today and another tomorrow in Smithville, TN. We would like to stay here the Lord willing. I teach Sunday School normally adults and my wife Linda plays the piano for services. We love the Lord and want to follow His leadership. We are currently going to Cornerstone Baptist Church in Olive Branch, MS. We have only been there a few weeks. We felt it was a mission opportunity to serve the Lord there. Pray for us as we seek Gods direction in our lives right now. God Bless you! Sincerely, Matt & Linda Bradshaw 10570 Loblolly Street Olive Branch, MS 38654 biblememistar.ca wrote: Hi, Matt! Really appreciated your note and your desire to memorize Scripture! I have learned a lot of Scripture, a good majority of it with a plan I developed when I was just out of college. With that I learned around 1,500 verses in a few years, and found that it was so helpful in so many, many ways - both personally and for being a witness and a help to others spiritually. My wife and I are now missionaries here in Irian Jaya. I'll send you a separate e-mail with some info on us and our work here in case you're interested. I am really interested in getting others involved in Scripture memorization, and in seeing what we might be able to do along that line with e-mail and the Internet. Apparently you are also interested in getting others involved. I would be glad to be a prayer partner with you, and would pray regularly for you in your memorization, and would check up on you occasionally if you desire - as well as praying for outreach to others. Hopefully, I could contribute in that area as well, though my time is limited now with other responsibilities, one of which is getting the translation of the New Testament in the Nalja language ready for printing by the end of this year. OK, all for now. Let me know a little about yourself too. Yours in Christ, Roger E. Doriot ____________________________________________________________________ More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at htt= p://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 02 2000 22:45:26 -0500 Subject: Re: [Re: BIBLEMEM: New Member] From: Matt Bradshaw It seems to me we all need the same kind of help, encouragement and time.= I am currently reviewing memory verses and planning ahead for the future = with Memorizing. Same pressures apply work, family and friends. Encourging friends and family to memorize often help that way you have a partner. I= t doesn't make any difference if it is one verse a week or two or three ver= ses. = Carry them with you and review as often as you can. You can do a lot in 5= -10 minutes. You might find a Sunday School class member or Teacher to work = with you. It will make them work harder as they teach you the word. God Bless, Matt Bradshaw Olive Branch, MS = biblememistar.ca wrote: To Dave, I share your pain! I did the Topical Memory System and really do endorse this. I spent my time in the car on the way to and from work to get these= in. While I realized that it was dangerous to some extent, I prayed that God would watch over me while I was driving (not a bad idea anyway) and that he would bless that time to memorize as that was all I had. I'm stil= l alive and I have all 60 verses memorized praise be to God. It's a faith move. (Hebrews 11:6 that's one that's in your stack) God Bless, Phil DParmannaol.com on 01-27-99 04:27:24 PM Please respond to biblememistar.ca To: biblememistar.ca cc: (bcc: Phil Richards/Dallas/IBM) Subject: BIBLEMEM: New Member Hi, My name is Dave and I've just signed on to this list. Yes, I too have tried several times to begin and stay with a memory program. I have used the Navigators Topical study and still have the materials. However, if I stay= with it for more than a few weeks, it is amazing! I have the usual reasons. Husband, father of two girls, a demanding job with a schedule that fluctuates from week to week. I get up before 5 am now just to get work on time. To get up earlier to work on scripture memory has not worked out well as my mind= is a little foggy that early. After working 10 to 21 hours, my family would li= ke some of my time. I know these are not reasons, but excuses. I also know that I am not alon= e with this type of schedule. But I also know that the most success I've ha= d with memorization is when I had to for a class. So I need motivation! Hel= p! =1A ____________________________________________________________________ More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at htt= p://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 02 1999 00:38:36 -0500 Subject: Re: [Re: BIBLEMEM: Advice needed] From: Matt Bradshaw Hi David, I didn't get all of your message. However, Bible memorization should be = done with the version you use. I have used the King James version for a long = time. I like it because that is what I grew up with. You might want to visit = with your pastor and see what he recommends. Sincerely, Matt Bradshaw biblememistar.ca wrote: In a message dated 1/21/99 1:19:43 AM US Eastern Standard Time, biblememistar.ca writes: > By sending this message, I am, with all earnestness and > humility, > asking for guidance from brothers and sisters who are much closer, > older, > and wiser in the Lord than I. > > -Thank you. > David Simmons David, This is a very tough issue to decide. I always recommend that people memorize the primary version used by their church- usually what the pastor preache= d from. It can be confusing to be hearing a passage in a different translation than what you are memorizing. It can't be avoided totally, but it can be minimized. Dean ____________________________________________________________________ More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at htt= p://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 02 1999 00:38:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [Re: BIBLEMEM: Advice needed] From: Matt Bradshaw There are times when I think it is very important to refer to other versi= ons or even to a dictionary. Your example was very good. I remember = when I first started reading the Bible 1 Corinthians 13 gave me a problem= =2E I didn't understand what charity in the KJV meant. I do now but it didn'= t come easy. It takes looking at more than one version to get the whole pi= cture sometimes. The language we deal with in all versions can give us difficu= lty due to our own shortage of vocabulary. However, language has different s= hades of meanings. Best of all we have God's Word which can transend human comprehension. Lets continue to memorize the Word and glorifiy His name! I will be prayi= ng that you find a partner to work with you on your memorization. = Sincerely, Matt Bradshaw biblememistar.ca wrote: Dave Simmons wrote this list asking which version to memorise. I have read all the messages re KJV or NKJV, and most of you seem to be coming down on the KJV side, for some very valid reasons. I agree there is no validity to the KJV only argument (If it was good enough for St Paul, it's good enough for me ;-) However, I want to put in a few points about the NKJV. I agree, it has been updated a few times, however it is still my version of choice, both for reading and for memorizing. In a few of our bible studies in church we have had problems with meanings of words in the NIV, and we had to tur= n to the NKJ to get a different translation to clear up the issue. (No, I a= m not saying the NKJ is better than the NIV, just that the translations in the NIV seem to be a bit simplified, and sometimes you need to look at the KJ/NKJ to get a fuller understanding, either that or learn Greek, Hebrew & Aramaic) Also, unless you are a good scholar, you may have some problems understanding the meanings of some of the terms in the KJ. The English language has changed a lot in the last three hundred years, for example, 1Pe 2:12 Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by [your] good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation. This does not mean, only in what you say. In old english, conversation meant your way of life. This puts a new meaning into the verse which is not in the original text. compare with the NIV (the bible I have at work= ) "Lead such good lives..." Hope you find this useful, just my two penneth worth. I think it does not matter if the version you use changes. You still hav= e the version in a book form (hopefully), and can point to where you learne= d from. And God can use what every you learn, in what ever form you learn it, to His glory. Rather than get overconcerned with versions, get on with memorising. Tha= t is what will produce good fruit in the long run. Don't let the devil hold y= ou up on minor points. Other than that, hi to everyone on the list - this is my first posting. I am looking for a memorisation partner, preferably in England. Any offers? Love in Jesus, the Author and Perfector of all the faithful. --- There is no difference between theory and practice, in theory... Get your FREE Email at http://mailcity.lycos.com Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://personal.lycos.com ____________________________________________________________________ More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at htt= p://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 02 1999 09:00:09 -0500 Subject: Re: BIBLEMEM: Newbie From: "Ronald W. Meyers, Sr." >Hello everyone, >My name is Qynne. I am a wife and mother of two young children. I am >joining >this list because I need to be stretched in the spiritual discipline of >scripture memory. I sense the Lord calling me deeper in the Spirit to >maturity. I am hoping to learn from all of you who have been doing this >for a >while. >I look forward to getting to know you, >Qynne Hi Qynne and everyone, My name is Ron and I guess you would call me a Newbie also. I am just an old Grandfather. Qynne, enjoy them while you and they are still young. We grow old and they grow up too fast so appreciate the time now. I don't have much of an idea what you do on this list except, I guess, memorize scripture. I'm not sure how that works out, but I'm all for it. You never learn enough and It's so hard to put it to memory. It's also easy to forget if you don't keep at it. I am like Qynne, "hoping to learn from all of you". Please let us know what you expect from us. Right now I am in the dark. Ron =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 02 1999 14:28:37 -0500 Subject: Re: BIBLEMEM: Scripture Memory Partner or Prayer Partner From: Hi! My name is Issah (isabel) Please pay for me to. better still be my prayer partner to inspire me in may memory project. I want to start soon but still discouraged how I can I even memborize like the others in the net. I can rephrase the verses but never can come around to recite one by heart.The Lord has placed the desire in my heart the past two months. Can you inspire and encourage me? I need a caring brother or sister who is into this to encourage me to do it at this time of my spiritual journey. My upbringing as a Catholic did not emphasize the need to memorize verses. But wow I see the importance and practicality behind hiding the words in my heart...Will you support me in this? Thank you very much for your positive reply, Bro. Roger and God bless you and your ministry.... issah tobias Philippines ................................. At , you wrote: >Hi, Matt! Really appreciated your note and your desire to memorize >Scripture! > >I have learned a lot of Scripture, a good majority of it with a plan I >developed when I was just out of college. With that I learned around 1,500 >verses in a few years, and found that it was so helpful in so many, many >ways - both personally and for being a witness and a help to others >spiritually. My wife and I are now missionaries here in Irian Jaya. I'll >send you a separate e-mail with some info on us and our work here in case >you're interested. > >I am really interested in getting others involved in Scripture >memorization, and in seeing what we might be able to do along that line >with e-mail and the Internet. Apparently you are also interested in getting >others involved. I would be glad to be a prayer partner with you, and would >pray regularly for you in your memorization, and would check up on you >occasionally if you desire - as well as praying for outreach to others. >Hopefully, I could contribute in that area as well, though my time is >limited now with other responsibilities, one of which is getting the >translation of the New Testament in the Nalja language ready for printing >by the end of this year. > >OK, all for now. Let me know a little about yourself too. > >Yours in Christ, > > >Roger E. Doriot > > > > > > > > =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 02 1999 14:28:46 -0500 Subject: Re: BIBLEMEM: introduction From: "Ron Thibeault" Hi Everyone, My name is Ron and I look forward to memorizing scripture with you. I've tried it before but I haven't been practicing in a while. I really need to discipline myself again. I know the benefits as the verses that I have memorized are still with me. As one who ministers here in South Korea through my Bible Studies I know it is very important to memorize Scripture to be effective. So, WHERE DO WE START? Hugs and Handshakes, Radical Ron =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 02 1999 14:28:51 -0500 Subject: Re: BIBLEMEM: Introduction From: Michael Philliber Louise, I know you must be hurt & frustrated. Though this is not a good venue for counseling, let me recommend a couple of things; (1) ensure that you yourself are in a good, solid, faithful church of Jesus Christ. You need the fellowship of Christ's body (as do we all). Christ has called us to be a church & to have part in His church fellowships. (2) Get pastoral care post-haste. A good godly pastor can help you to get the scriptural direction you need. (3) cast yourself wholly on Christ. Louise, He took all the justice that you deserved, when He died on the Cross. On that day He opened the door for your intimate fellowship with the Father. If you trust in Him, then no matter what the world or your 17 yr old or anyone else may say, you're then His. then you can claim Deuteronomy 33:27: "The Eternal God is your refuge, & underneath are the everlasting arms..." & 1 Peter 5:6 & 7; "Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time: Casting all your care upon Him; for He cares for you." (4) Commit your child to the care of the Lord, & then in the knowledge that He will do what is right for that teenager, show the light of Christ by your deep & passionate love for Him & the Father. Mike Philliber > >Hi, I'm Louise. I used to memorize a lot, but I haven't done much for = >the past few years. I know I need to. I'm having some problems with = >stress and depression. Any sugestions? My 17 year old son has turned = >his back on the Lord and I need to hang onto God's promises for = >salvation for him and answers to prayer. >Louise > > > > > > > > =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 02 1999 22:17:14 -0500 Subject: Re: BIBLEMEM: Hello From: Michael Philliber Mike A., Greetings. I understand your frustration/concern. I'm at Reformed Theological Seminary in Jackson MS. I've noticed the same. When I went before our presbytery to be examined for licensure (so I can preach in our denomination), that was one of the glaring faults we had. There were six of us studying for the ministry, 2 of which were being ordained. & the lack of Biblical knowledge was terrible. Two of us did well, but that was because we had been around the world a time or two, & had taken memorization & familiarization more seriously (not blowing my own horn, simply stating an observation). Let me encourage you to start pulling out 3x5 cards & typing down the scriptures you see repeated over & over in class. That's a great place to start. Then as you progress in your systematic theology classes, take the passages that fit into each catagory of the ordo salutis, and each part of the Syst. Theol. paradigm, and memorize those. Maybe one for each major subject heading. Blessings. Mike Philliber >My name is Mike, a new member to this list. I am in seminary training >for the gospel ministry and even though engaged in theology and language >studies and exegesis, there is a surprising lack of Bible memorization >etc. at sem. > >I don't know who the thoughtful person was who introduced me to this >list, but I would like to thank them. I appreciate anything that will >help me in Scripture knowledge and growing in the grace of our Lord. > >Sola Scriptura! > > > > > > =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 02 1999 22:17:20 -0500 Subject: Re: BIBLEMEM: introduction From: Michael Philliber Radical Ron, Issah & April, Welcome. I would recommend starting small, but with passages you hear all the time in Church. Then work to other familiar passages. The fact that you're hearing them in Church (context of worshipping our great God) will be of great help. That's a good place to start. Mike Philliber =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 02 1999 22:17:29 -0500 Subject: Re: BIBLEMEM: Hello From: My vision from the earliest days of my walk with the Lord always has been to memorize a whole book. Then when the Bible is taken away, which could happen, when the body of Christ get's together all the books together make up the whole. Maybe it came from having worked with Brother Andrew and smuggling Bibles to Eastern Europe, before the Iron Curtain came down. So instead of memorizing a verse here or there, I started on proverbs, got to chapter seven sofar. This year, I am going to try to finish the whole book, with Gods help. Another tought, it does help to know where verses are, if you witness a lot etc. But when Jesus talked to Satan he did not say : Deuteronomy 8:3 But he said :"... man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD... The POWER is in the word, not in the reference. That is for those of you that have a problem with the reference, but love the word. jv =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 02 1999 22:17:44 -0500 Subject: Re: BIBLEMEM: New Member From: To Dave, I share your pain! I did the Topical Memory System and really do endorse this. I spent my time in the car on the way to and from work to get these in. While I realized that it was dangerous to some extent, I prayed that God would watch over me while I was driving (not a bad idea anyway) and that he would bless that time to memorize as that was all I had. I'm still alive and I have all 60 verses memorized praise be to God. It's a faith move. (Hebrews 11:6 that's one that's in your stack) God Bless, Phil DParmannaol.com on 01-27-99 04:27:24 PM Please respond to biblememistar.ca To: biblememistar.ca cc: (bcc: Phil Richards/Dallas/IBM) Subject: BIBLEMEM: New Member Hi, My name is Dave and I've just signed on to this list. Yes, I too have tried several times to begin and stay with a memory program. I have used the Navigators Topical study and still have the materials. However, if I stay with it for more than a few weeks, it is amazing! I have the usual reasons. Husband, father of two girls, a demanding job with a schedule that fluctuates from week to week. I get up before 5 am now just to get work on time. To get up earlier to work on scripture memory has not worked out well as my mind is a little foggy that early. After working 10 to 21 hours, my family would like some of my time. I know these are not reasons, but excuses. I also know that I am not alone with this type of schedule. But I also know that the most success I've had with memorization is when I had to for a class. So I need motivation! Help! =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 02 2000 22:42:37 -0500 Subject: Re: BIBLEMEM: Hello From: I was brought up in a Christian family (not my own mother and father) who taught me to love the Word and the Church. I thank God for that. I learned many, many verses from memory in Vacation Bible School, Sunday School, Training Union, and in the Girl's Auxilliary. Throughout my life, when there has been a pressing need, the Lord would bring to my mind just exactly what reassurance or guidance or correction that I needed. I know first hand what it means to ones spiritual life to "hide the Word in the heart". I have never tried to memorize a whole book, but I have memorized chapters, and work at that rather than verses now. One help (since I'm a little older now and it seems to be somewhat harder to memorize) is to read the verses (always in context) and get the key concepts and ideas. That seems to make it easier to hang on to the words. Also, I like to use the King James version, because that's what I'm most familiar with, but mostly because the language is beautiful, poetic, and seems to lend itself better to memorization. I'm trying also to increase my speed in reading (along with concentration) so that I cover a wider passage for understanding the verses in context, and then I choose which verses I feel a need to memorize. I've worked with the New Testament for memorization mostly, but have loved some passages in Isaiah as well. I'll be interested in hearing what others are doing (especially the over 50 bunch!) to aid in memorization. God bless. =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 02 2000 22:42:49 -0500 Subject: Re: BIBLEMEM: Hello From: I'm not in seminary training, but I love the Word and have done all that I can to learn how to "rightly divide" it. I deplore the lack of Scripture memorization in our churches today, not only among the Youth, but with Adults as well. I know from first-hand experience that the Scripture that I "hid in my heart" as a child was that which came to me in my most needy times as an Adult. I truly believe it is our Shield and our Defensive weapon against Satan, and will be even more so as we see the Day approaching. I have found too, that writing the Scripture on cards ( I have used the backs of business cards for this, they make a perfect size to carry in your pocket), and taking them out several times a day to review, has helped. I have memorized in subjects and have them organized in that fashion. The other thing that has helped me has been to identify the key words and phrases in the Scripture to get the main idea of the verse, and then fill in the other words around them. God bless. I have a burden to pray for our spiritual leaders today, and that includes you young "preacher boys". =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 02 2000 22:42:55 -0500 Subject: Re: BIBLEMEM: New Member From: Hello Phil! The time in the car is a wonderful time to use to memorize. Have you tried listening to tapes? That's a little safer than trying to read. I read several verses I was trying to learn into my tape recorder and used that in the car. Hearing the verses repeated just reinforced the effort. And I carried my cards in my pocket and took them out everytime I had to wait (like for an elevator, at the grocery store in line, at the Dr's office) and I got some of the other nurses on my unit to help me out on coffee break and at lunch. Even though they weren't into the memorization, they did help, and I felt that it gave me a good opportunity to witness. I'm trying to increase my reading speed and comprehension now, and I find that identifying the key words and phrases in a verse and memorizing them first, filling in later, not only helps with the memorizing process, but adds to my understanding. God blesses all our efforts in trying to claim His Word for ourselves, I believe, no matter what they are. I think that the corporate effort is one that He loves to see happening among His children! =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 02 2000 22:43:13 -0500 Subject: Re: BIBLEMEM: Introduction From: "Bill Winter" Hi Jean, et al: My name is Bill and I teach adult sunday school. I too joined BibleMemor= y to increase in ways of learning and knowing where to find the Word I know from the Bible, but may not know exactly where to find it. It is hard for me to quote scripture from Address Only. WE all have memo= ry verses, but I need to learn ways to improve Bible Memory ---- that's why = I joined --- so here is my first contribution. If we all share what we kno= w it will make the list more active.... _____________________________________________________________________ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D = -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D--=3D= -=3D -=3D-=3D--=3D ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "FAMOUS 3:16" Refer to chapter THREE, verse SIXTEEN of the following Books of the Bible.... _________________________________________________________________ =95 Genesis (read vs. 15 also)=20 The promise of emnity and why Jesus came to save us =95 Numbers Numbers (#'s) are very important. God uses #'s for emphasis and significance.=20 =95 1 Samuel Our Proclamation to the Lord....Here I am. (Opening yourself up for the Holy Spirit and God's Will) =95 Daniel Deliverance from the fiery furnace. Our faith in Jesus is our deliveranc= e from the fiery furnace of hell =95 Joel The Lord will protect his people....those who make the Lord their hope =95 Matthew Jesus's Baptism =95 Luke Baptism again highlighted, with the Promise of Baptism in the Holy Spirit =95 John The Whole Gospel in a Nutshell =95 1 Corinthians You are the temple of the Holy Spirit =95 Ephesians What the Holy Spirit will do in You =95 Colossians Let God's Word dwell in you richly =95 2 Thessalonians The Lord grants you peace =95 2 Timothy All Scripture is........... =95 Revelations Do not be either hot or cold......the last portal to the Gospel is found = at verse 20. Enjoy.... Lord Bless Bill Winter First Baptist Church of Port Hueneme, California ---------- > From: Guy, Jean > To: biblememistar.ca > Subject: BIBLEMEM: Introduction > Date: Saturday, January 02, 1999 11:28 AM >=20 =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 02 2000 22:44:00 -0500 Subject: Re: BIBLEMEM: Hello From: "One of the McKays" Speaking of lack of knowledge of Scripture or desire to learn and meditate on God's Word, at our church when I preached a sermon on learning God's Word, the ministers thought I might be putting people off [I think] and tried to downplay my suggestions. Very sad. David McKay musicfl.net.au =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 02 2000 22:44:42 -0500 Subject: Re: BIBLEMEM: Question From: May our Lord Bless and Keep you. It is so true that not all church goers or religious talkers have had a face to face talk with our Lord Jesus Christ. Here in San Antonio, Texas, at Alamo City Christian Fellowship, we have hundreds of people each year that have been raised in a "church" and never asked Jesus to save them. These people come from all churches. Baptist, Methodist, Catholic, etc. A prayer that has been on my heart for a couple of years, is that our God would fan the flame of the Spirit of God in the hearts of His children, so they would start speaking forthrightly of His truth and mercy. For only when God's children speak out does the forcers of darkness back off, and the lost are able to see the way to Jesus. I pray that the Lord would tie up the tongues of preachers would refuse to proclaim the Truth of the Lord Jesus, and give special blessings to the preachers who will stand on His Word no matter what. Again, May the Lord Bless and Keep you as you walk with Him. =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 02 2000 22:44:46 -0500 Subject: Re: BIBLEMEM: New Member From: The best motivation for Bible Memorization is "HUNGER" Watch somebody drop 50 cents in a coke machine and nothing comes out, they about break the glass, fume, swear, complain, write their name on the money return list etc. You know why? Because they are hungry for something. Psa 138:2 ....for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name. =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 02 1999 17:00:57 -0500 Subject: Re: BIBLEMEM: Advice needed From: "Stephen Simpson" I think that the best Bible to memorize is the one which allows you to personally meet the objectives of Bible memorization. These are: 1) Understanding and obedience to the word you have learned 2) Long term retention of the word you have learned 3) The ability to continue to memorize new material on a regular basis 4) Enjoyment of what you do For me, I use the NIV because I like the plain and simple English. I find that easier to understand than the older style. Stephen Simpson PS: If you respond to any of the messages you received today, please make sure the to: address is biblememistar.ca. I am still getting the bugs out of my new email server and for these messages the default reply to address was incorrect. >I have just begun memorizing Scripture, but I face (what appears to me >as) a >major delimma. I have decided to memorized the either KJV or the NKJV. >Narrowing the field down to these two choices was hard enough! (I am >well >aware of the KJ-Only arguements and found them to be bankrupt and, at >times, just plain silly.) My problem is in deciding which one to >memorize. I am >prepared to invest a huge proportion of my time into this undertaking, >which is why I want to get this thing settled within me. I don't want to >look >back and second guess this decision. The KJ is absolutely beautiful, >especially >so in poetic passages, and is instantly recognizable as scripture. And >it >will probably endure for as long as Shakespeare does, which certainly be >throughout my lifetime (and, hopefully, till the second coming!). It >just >seems to have a timeless quality to it. However, I have found certain >passages in the KJ to be, well....not as correct as some other versions. >The NKJ is an excellent translation, and I am quite pleased in its >handling of >the 'hot spots.' (My term for the words/verses/passages that provokes >debate concerning their translation.) However, the NKJV has already been >revised >since its release. I have no desire to memorize a large portion of the >Bible only to have small, but meaningful, changes made to it, or to have >it >dissapear altogether! (Who uses the AS of 1901?). Despite the excellency >found in its translation, I am wary of its longevity. Any thought, >feedback, >or advice on this area would be extremely helpful. > >Thanks, and God Bless!! > >P.S.--I realize that the purpose of this group is NOT to debate >translations, but to strengthen and to encourage each other in >memorizing A >translation. I have no desire to claim that one single translation is >superior to all other translations. They are were all done in different >periods by different groups with a different focus, purpose, and >audience >in mind. By sending this message, I am, with all earnestness and >humility, >asking for guidance from brothers and sisters who are much closer, >older, >and wiser in the Lord than I. > >-Thank you. >David Simmons > > > > =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 02 1999 22:41:03 -0500 Subject: Re: BIBLEMEM: Advice needed From: "Sarah E Reeve" Dave Simmons wrote this list asking which version to memorise. I have read all the messages re KJV or NKJV, and most of you seem to be coming down on the KJV side, for some very valid reasons. I agree there is no validity to the KJV only argument (If it was good enough for St Paul, it's good enough for me ;-) However, I want to put in a few points about the NKJV. I agree, it has been updated a few times, however it is still my version of choice, both for reading and for memorizing. In a few of our bible studies in church we have had problems with meanings of words in the NIV, and we had to turn to the NKJ to get a different translation to clear up the issue. (No, I am not saying the NKJ is better than the NIV, just that the translations in the NIV seem to be a bit simplified, and sometimes you need to look at the KJ/NKJ to get a fuller understanding, either that or learn Greek, Hebrew & Aramaic) Also, unless you are a good scholar, you may have some problems understanding the meanings of some of the terms in the KJ. The English language has changed a lot in the last three hundred years, for example, 1Pe 2:12 Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by [your] good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation. This does not mean, only in what you say. In old english, conversation meant your way of life. This puts a new meaning into the verse which is not in the original text. compare with the NIV (the bible I have at work) "Lead such good lives..." Hope you find this useful, just my two penneth worth. I think it does not matter if the version you use changes. You still have the version in a book form (hopefully), and can point to where you learned from. And God can use what every you learn, in what ever form you learn it, to His glory. Rather than get overconcerned with versions, get on with memorising. That is what will produce good fruit in the long run. Don't let the devil hold you up on minor points. Other than that, hi to everyone on the list - this is my first posting. I am looking for a memorisation partner, preferably in England. Any offers? Love in Jesus, the Author and Perfector of all the faithful. --- There is no difference between theory and practice, in theory... Get your FREE Email at http://mailcity.lycos.com Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://personal.lycos.com =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 02 1999 22:40:11 -0500 Subject: Re: BIBLEMEM: Advice needed From: In a message dated 1/21/99 1:19:43 AM US Eastern Standard Time, biblememistar.ca writes: > By sending this message, I am, with all earnestness and > humility, > asking for guidance from brothers and sisters who are much closer, > older, > and wiser in the Lord than I. > > -Thank you. > David Simmons David, This is a very tough issue to decide. I always recommend that people memorize the primary version used by their church- usually what the pastor preached from. It can be confusing to be hearing a passage in a different translation than what you are memorizing. It can't be avoided totally, but it can be minimized. Dean =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 02 1999 22:40:28 -0500 Subject: RE: BIBLEMEM: Re: BIBLEMEM: KJV comments. From: Joel Anderson I apologize for the unnecessary remarks regarding the KJV only movement. This is not the forum for such discussion. As I hope is noted I do strongly encourage the use of KJV and related Biblical resources. =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 02 1999 09:00:20 -0500 Subject: Re: BIBLEMEM: Scripture Memory Partner or Prayer Partner From: "Roger E. Doriot" Hi, Matt! Really appreciated your note and your desire to memorize Scripture! I have learned a lot of Scripture, a good majority of it with a plan I developed when I was just out of college. With that I learned around 1,500 verses in a few years, and found that it was so helpful in so many, many ways - both personally and for being a witness and a help to others spiritually. My wife and I are now missionaries here in Irian Jaya. I'll send you a separate e-mail with some info on us and our work here in case you're interested. I am really interested in getting others involved in Scripture memorization, and in seeing what we might be able to do along that line with e-mail and the Internet. Apparently you are also interested in getting others involved. I would be glad to be a prayer partner with you, and would pray regularly for you in your memorization, and would check up on you occasionally if you desire - as well as praying for outreach to others. Hopefully, I could contribute in that area as well, though my time is limited now with other responsibilities, one of which is getting the translation of the New Testament in the Nalja language ready for printing by the end of this year. OK, all for now. Let me know a little about yourself too. Yours in Christ, Roger E. Doriot =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 02 2000 22:45:08 -0500 Subject: Re: Hi all! From: In a message dated 1/27/99 9:22:01 PM CST, tpicknet-link.net writes: << Hello list! My name is Tim Picking and I also am excited (cautiosly optimistic) about memorizing scripture. I started out memorizing the book of Philippians but really went NOWHERE! I guess this format could give me the impetus to actually make it happen. Questions..... 1. When do "we" start? 2. How do we start? 3. Who will start us? 4. Am I the only confused one? LOL :-) In Him, Tim >> 1.) We've already started, you need to start today! 2.) Take a verse that speaks to you, write it on a card, carry it with you, memorize it continually, meditate on it all the time. 3.) HE has already started you, with a new birth I hope. NOW DO SOMETHING WITH IT! 4.) No, you are not the only one confused. Many are on the broad way of confusion. Get off. lol ;-> =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 02 2000 22:43:01 -0500 Subject: Re: Welcome to the Biblemem list! From: I didn't properly introduce myself as per instructions before I signed on! Sorry. I'm a registered nurse, who just retired from a large university hospital after 25 years there, the last 15 of which was spent as Nurse Manager on an Oncology floor. I have a family, with nine grandchildren. I was raised in a Christian home - not my own parents - from age 7. (Biological facts do not always indicate parenthood!) I have learned through the years that even that trauma was "meant for my good", since I found the Lord in that home and in our church at an early age. Through the years I have come to realize that the Scriptures which I memorized as a child in the various activities at church are those which came to me when I most needed them. The Word has truly been my Help!. I deplore more than anything the lack of Scripture memory activities in our churches and in our Christian homes these days. I have been burdened about this for a long time, and I am praying for a love for the Scripture to manifest itself anew in the Church today. I believe that I am seeing an answer to that prayer through this E-Mail Effort. God bless all who are committed to this endeavor! =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 02 1999 22:17:26 -0500 Subject: Welcome From: I just wanted to send out a good "God Bless You!" to those who just joined our group. I look forward to memorizing with you. =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 02 2000 22:43:48 -0500 Subject: what to memorize? From: Andrew C Smith My experience has been this: it's best to memorize only a few isolated verses, and then procede to longer passages/chapters/books. Individual verses are a good way to begin; it's rather intimidating to consider a whole book. You can get your memorization skills sharpened with sets of small verses. But the problem with memorizing too many isolated verses is that after a while, you don't "know what you know", i.e., you know the verses, but you don't know that you know them, because they are too many and too scattered. It helps if they fit into a framework. The Navigator's system I used had 60 verses, broken into 5 groups, and each group had six sub-headings with two verses each. That helps me keep track of what I know. But if a person had memorized hundreds of individual verses, it would be difficult for him to know what they all were, unless he had some kind of system. Memorizing a passage or book, on the other hand, keeps a person's mind "on track" because there's a natural "memory jog" from one verse to the next. - Andy Smith a.c.smithjuno.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 02 2000 22:43:44 -0500 Subject: which translation to memorize From: Andrew C Smith To follow up on an earlier posting, I'd say simply to memorize the one you work with the most, the one your church / bible study group / family /friends use the most. I used to trouble my mind, and constantly compare several different translations. But the different translations goofed up my memorizing, so I put them all on a shelf and stick to one translation now. For 99% of the verses in the Bible, there is no serious content difference between translations, so even if you don't read Hebrew (or Greek), you still can be comfortable with one translation. A good commentary can help. I recommend the Keil-Delitzsch commentary. The commentary will give you many different perspectives on a verse, without goofing up your memorization the way different translations will. - Andy Smith a.c.smithjuno.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 20:59:54 -0700 (MST) Subject: memory cards From:ew C Smith) On Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:33:59 -0700 (MST) Eric and April Mathis writes: >I also would love info. on finding a Nav. >style verse pack to carry with me. You can still buy them from the Navigators, but it's easiest to simply make your own. A.C. Smith ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 21:14:40 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Bible memory From: "Bramblewood" I've found that putting the verse (or verses) I'm working on for the day, in an open Notepad window on my computer desktop helps. I also put a version by the kitchen sink. :I enjoy Bible memory and find short-term memory very easy. However, I :have to put something down and then go back to it after about a month :and review it heavily. Then maybe several years later. Then it is :usually there for good. : :I have found it difficult to memorize long passages in the NIV (my :preferred version now) when I run across a verse that I already know in :the KJV (from childhood). Anyone have suggestions on switching like :that. : :A suggestion I have for those who know or are learning a second :language, memorize passages in the new language, looking up any words or :conjugations you don't understand. It will help you learn the new :language as well as give you a very good understanding of the passage as :the ideas are often presented in a slightly different order and :sometimes the nature of pronouns and word order are clearer through :another language. : : : : : : =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 20:59:57 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Bible memory From: "One of the McKays" >I have found it difficult to memorize long passages in the NIV (my >preferred version now) when I run across a verse that I already know in the KJV (from childhood). Anyone have suggestions on switching like that. Hi Christie My suggestion on switching versions is ... don't! Learn verses in the NIV, for sure, but with your old stuff, just change a word here and there to make it more easy to comprehend. Unless you had deliberately tried to learn verses that sound quaint in the KJV, most of the old stuff is fine, I reckon. Here are some of the ones I learnt in Sunday School: 2 Corinthians 8:9 For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, for your sakes he became poor that you through his poverty migh become rich. Nuffin hard about that one Psalm 23 is fine Psalm 1 is fine John 3:16 is fine John 14:6 is fine Psa 119:105 is fine Isaiah 40:8 is fine In fact, I'm going to a party and I feel fine! Whoops, that's the Beatles, not the Bible! I am learning my new stuff in NIV, and have so far done 2 John, Philemon and 1 Peter 1:1-6. [Hoping to finish 1 Peter by end of April or earlier!] Takes a lot of revision for me, and I don't know the new stuff nearly as good as the old stuff yet. Best wishes in your study of God's Word. Once you get it into your head, then you can meditate on it day and night! Now God might be able to do something with me! John Piper, pastor of Bethlehem Baptist Church says that therehas been a dramatic transformation in some churches through a significant number of the congregation learning Scripture. [There's hope for Glenbrook Baptist Church, yet!] God bless all as you learn God's Word in the New Year. David McKay musicfl.net.au =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 21:00:11 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Bible memory From: Christie, As for memorizing those passages that you once had in the KJV, I would recommend that you use both. It's been very helpful to have - on occassion- another version familiarized in my head, so that I can see the difference. But do stay with your primary version at all times. I use the NKJV, & have the KJV on a few verses, and even the REB on one verse to help me remember the underlying jist of Pual's flow of thought. Mike Philliber >I enjoy Bible memory and find short-term memory very easy. However, I >have to put something down and then go back to it after about a month >and review it heavily. Then maybe several years later. Then it is >usually there for good. > >I have found it difficult to memorize long passages in the NIV (my >preferred version now) when I run across a verse that I already know in >the KJV (from childhood). Anyone have suggestions on switching like >that. > >A suggestion I have for those who know or are learning a second >language, memorize passages in the new language, looking up any words or >conjugations you don't understand. It will help you learn the new >language as well as give you a very good understanding of the passage as >the ideas are often presented in a slightly different order and >sometimes the nature of pronouns and word order are clearer through >another language. > > > > > > =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 21:00:08 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: new From: "Bramblewood" Dear April I would like to know more about the Navigator system. Also my church organization is heavily into Bible Quizzing for kids. So each year they offer for sale a pack of Bible Verse Cards on whatever Book is being covered that year. I'm currently using an old pack of Acts flashcards. If you are interested I could get you the address. Sincerely Carol : : =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 20:59:51 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re Pocket Cardholder was Re: new From: Drake Mariani Hi April, from Drake at Memlok (Bible Memory System), A verse pack (made by the man who used to make The NAVIGATORS -mine is bus size tho), is at http://www.memlok.html/products.html#pch Sample verse cards in NIV, NKJ, KJV, and NAS are at http://www.memlok.com and http://www.memlok.com/samples.html The system has 48 topics with about 12 cards each. It's also on computer if you want to review there instead of around your devotions or elsewhere at http://www.memlok.com/pcmemlok.html Also consider the Seven Devotional Tools. I'm trying to provide means to apply the verses we memorize. http://www.memlok.com/products.html#sevendevotionaltools Hope this helps April, Drake PS I praise God for Hal Jensen's (The Nav's for 30 years) quote about Memlok at http://www.memlok.com/recommen.html PS Isn't this encouraging! "For this reason we also constantly thank God that when you received from us the word of God’s message, you accepted it not as the word of men, but for what it really is, the word of God, which also performs its work in you who believe." 1 Thes. 2:13 NASB I thought I'd send you this. Hope it's helpful.At 12/30/1998, you wrote: >Hi there, >I hope this list is up and running. My name is April and I want to get = >back to Scripture memory after being away from it for several years. I = >am a stay at home mom of 2 boys, ages 3 and 11 mos. I was in the = >Navigators in college, and I was so encouraged by the Topical Memory = >system, but I haven't reviewed in years, and I am interested in hiding = >the Word in my heart. I would be interested in learning from you all as = >to tips and techniques. I also would love info. on finding a Nav. style = >verse pack to carry with me. =20 >Thanks in advance, April in Maine > > > > Drake Mariani 800-373-1947 Memlok.com-Bible Memory Free Brochure http://www.memlok.com Laugh! Archives http://www.memlok.com/laugh.html Free "Net Blocking" http://www.memlok.com/deolira.html Y2K Reference Guide http://www.memlok.com/y2k.html Dozens of quality Free Offers http://www.memlok.com/freestuf.html 36 Free Scripture Memory Tips http://www.memlok.com/tips.html $10 to you Plus a Free 800 # http://www.memlok.com/harvest.html 20-40% off 3 Million books/cd's http://www.memlok.com/bookstore.html =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 20:59:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: What - More Mainer's? From: <> and I thought I had this corner of the world all to myself! Chip (Turner, ME) =============================================================================== Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 18:32:43 -0700 (MST) Subject: flashcards From:ew C Smith) On Fri, 1 Jan 1999 "Bramblewood" writes: >If you are interested I could get you the address. I'm interested, too, in getting those flashcards. - Andy Smith a.c.smithjuno.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] =============================================================================== Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 21:19:10 -0700 (MST) Subject: New Year intentions? From: "One of the McKays" Happy New Year. I hope you will have a great year learning God's word and meditating on it day and night. I read on the list of people using memory programs, flash cards, etc. All I use is my old NIV [20 years old this year] and sometimes I type out a sheet of my current verses to memorise. So far I have learnt 1 John and Philemon, but I must keep reviewing them, or I forget bits! I am now on 1 Peter. and am in verse 10. I am hoping to complete chapter 1 during January, and the whole letter by the end of April. What passages or verses are you learning? There are some good sets of verses at http://www.visi.com/~nordquis/fighter.html from Bethlehem Baptist Church in Minneapolis Minnesota. Best wishes David McKay musicfl.net.au =============================================================================== Sent: Saturday, January 02, 1999 2:29 PM Subject: RE: BIBLEMEM: Scripture Memory Partner or Prayer Partner From: "Bennett, Wanda" Greeting in the name of our Lord and Saviour, I will keep in my prayers and I ask that you do the same for me. I'm is new at this bible memory, but because you have a desire God is going to reward openly. So me encouraged and never say I can't...because with God all things are possible, but without him nothing is possibe. -----Original Message----- From: issinfo.com.ph [mailto:issinfo.com.ph] Sent: Saturday, January 02, 1999 2:29 PM To: biblememistar.ca Subject: Re: BIBLEMEM: Scripture Memory Partner or Prayer Partner Hi! My name is Issah (isabel) Please pay for me to. better still be my prayer partner to inspire me in may memory project. I want to start soon but still discouraged how I can I even memborize like the others in the net. I can rephrase the verses but never can come around to recite one by heart.The Lord has placed the desire in my heart the past two months. Can you inspire and encourage me? I need a caring brother or sister who is into this to encourage me to do it at this time of my spiritual journey. My upbringing as a Catholic did not emphasize the need to memorize verses. But wow I see the importance and practicality behind hiding the words in my heart...Will you support me in this? Thank you very much for your positive reply, Bro. Roger and God bless you and your ministry.... issah tobias Philippines ................................. At , you wrote: >Hi, Matt! Really appreciated your note and your desire to memorize >Scripture! > >I have learned a lot of Scripture, a good majority of it with a plan I >developed when I was just out of college. With that I learned around 1,500 >verses in a few years, and found that it was so helpful in so many, many >ways - both personally and for being a witness and a help to others >spiritually. My wife and I are now missionaries here in Irian Jaya. I'll >send you a separate e-mail with some info on us and our work here in case >you're interested. > >I am really interested in getting others involved in Scripture >memorization, and in seeing what we might be able to do along that line >with e-mail and the Internet. Apparently you are also interested in getting >others involved. I would be glad to be a prayer partner with you, and would >pray regularly for you in your memorization, and would check up on you >occasionally if you desire - as well as praying for outreach to others. >Hopefully, I could contribute in that area as well, though my time is >limited now with other responsibilities, one of which is getting the >translation of the New Testament in the Nalja language ready for printing >by the end of this year. > >OK, all for now. Let me know a little about yourself too. > >Yours in Christ, > > >Roger E. Doriot > > > > > > > > =============================================================================== Sent: Saturday, January 02, 1999 2:29 PM Subject: RE: BIBLEMEM: Introduction From: "Bennett, Wanda" Welcome aboard, where there is 2 or 3 gather in his same, so is he in our midst.... -----Original Message----- From: jguycybersol.com [mailto:jguycybersol.com] Sent: Saturday, January 02, 1999 2:29 PM To: biblememistar.ca Subject: BIBLEMEM: Introduction Hi my name is Jean. I'm a stay at home grandmother who needs to get back to the Word. I feel that the more I know the more my life will be enriched. But it will also give me the ability to better share with my grandchildren. I don't want them to walk most of their lives without the Lord, like I did. I'm hoping to learn better ways of memorizing passages in order to achieve above stated goals. The little tykes are only 2, 3, and 4. The perfect ages to soak up knowledge like a sponge. I look forward to studying, learning and praying with you all. Jean Guy jguycybersol.com s/w lower Michigan We can do no great things; only small things with great love Mother Theresa 1910-1997 =============================================================================== Sent: Saturday, January 02, 1999 6:18 PM Subject: RE: BIBLEMEM: New Member From: "Rebecca Steadman" Hi Phil, How does one obtain a copy of the Topical Memory System? Rebecca -----Original Message----- From: prichus.ibm.com [mailto:prichus.ibm.com] Sent: Saturday, January 02, 1999 6:18 PM To: biblememistar.ca Subject: Re: BIBLEMEM: New Member To Dave, I share your pain! I did the Topical Memory System and really do endorse this. I spent my time in the car on the way to and from work to get these in. While I realized that it was dangerous to some extent, I prayed that God would watch over me while I was driving (not a bad idea anyway) and that he would bless that time to memorize as that was all I had. I'm still alive and I have all 60 verses memorized praise be to God. It's a faith move. (Hebrews 11:6 that's one that's in your stack) God Bless, Phil DParmannaol.com on 01-27-99 04:27:24 PM Please respond to biblememistar.ca To: biblememistar.ca cc: (bcc: Phil Richards/Dallas/IBM) Subject: BIBLEMEM: New Member Hi, My name is Dave and I've just signed on to this list. Yes, I too have tried several times to begin and stay with a memory program. I have used the Navigators Topical study and still have the materials. However, if I stay with it for more than a few weeks, it is amazing! I have the usual reasons. Husband, father of two girls, a demanding job with a schedule that fluctuates from week to week. I get up before 5 am now just to get work on time. To get up earlier to work on scripture memory has not worked out well as my mind is a little foggy that early. After working 10 to 21 hours, my family would like some of my time. I know these are not reasons, but excuses. I also know that I am not alone with this type of schedule. But I also know that the most success I've had with memorization is when I had to for a class. So I need motivation! Help! =============================================================================== Sent: Saturday, January 02, 1999 6:17 PM Subject: RE: BIBLEMEM: Hello From: "Rebecca Steadman" Years ago I had memorized the book of James. Alas, much of it I've forgotten. When I did this, I memorized one paragraph at a time and didn't memorize the verse and chapter numbers along with the passages. I wish I had now, as I can quote the verse but can only remember it was the first paragraph of chapter 2, etc. When doing a whole book, should I memorize the verse indicators with each verse? If my purpose for memorizing is for my own spiritual growth, and to store scripture in my own heart, then does it matter? Anyone have suggestions, opinions on this? Rebecca -----Original Message----- From: JJVDBERGaol.com [mailto:JJVDBERGaol.com] Sent: Saturday, January 02, 1999 6:17 PM To: biblememistar.ca Subject: Re: BIBLEMEM: Hello My vision from the earliest days of my walk with the L