>the first letter of each word is written down, with maximum of 7 initials per
>line.  use BLOCK CAPS as a standard...  for example, for John 2:1, "And the
>third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus
was
>there."  without the variations i'll share below, this verse would be written
>as follows:
>
>CHAPTER 2
>1   A T T D T W
>    A M I C O G;
>    A T M O J W T.
>
>now, i vary the letters so they are not so confusing.  make lower-case t
>always stand for the word "the," lower case a for "a" and "an,"  lower case o
>for "of," and any other common words you feel you can be helped by.  use a
>number where a number is referred to (third becomes 3), and symbols where
they
>apply (& for and).  for proper names i use cursive (Cana = C).  (since i
don't
>know how much formatting may transfer in this email, i'll state that i used
>italics for C, but in writing it out, you would use a cursive C that is
>distinctive from block caps).  so the text becomes:
>
>CHAPTER 2
>1   & t 3 D T W
>     a M I C o G;
>     & t M o J W T.
>
>i use other variations, too.  for Jesus i use the greek letter chi (looks
like
>a cursive x that extends below the line).  i don't use the number 1 for
one or
>first, because it looks too much like block cap letter i.
>

This is an amazing technique, Judy... I just love it.  Its a step between
pure memorization and a little bit of help.  Do you use this technique just
to save on wear-and-tear of writing down the verses, or for compactness and
ability to write more verses on one line?  Or does it really help in the
memorization process somehow?  Or all of the above? :)

I would like a little more background on your use of this technique, and
how you developed it, if that's ok with you.

Thanks!

David

>the first letter of each word is written down, with maximum of 7 initials per

Woops!  I just found the answer to my questions in a past post of yours.
Thanks again!

David

>well, in the end the thing that makes memorizing work is the Holy Spirit.  He
>brings to our memory, He leads us to all truth.  we use "what is in our
hand,"
>or that is, God makes use of what is in our hand, what He has given us, and
>multiplies our efforts.  we memorize the Word in order to learn the mind and
>heart of Christ, not to have more quantity-knowledge.

Thanks Judy!

I've been working on this, and have carried it even a bit further.  I've
compiled a list of the most common English words.  All those will be lower
case, and the rest upper case.  Then, what I do is put the letters next to
each other rather than separated by spaces.  This really helps!  I put them
next to each other in phrases.  Its then easier to learn a phrase than it
is word-by-word.  For example, here is your paragraph, above:

w,itE tTtmMW itHS. hBtoM, hLutaT.
wu"wiioH," oti, Gmuo wiioh, wHhgu,
aMoE. wMtW iOtL tMaHoC, nthmQ-K.

Its facinating that it seems a good "chunk" size for this code happens to
be about the same number of letters that are in a word.  My next step is to
experiment with the following:  write down each letter-combination and
indicate its meaning,

   w,itE - well, in the end
   tTtmMW - the thing that makes memorizing work
   itHS - is the Holy Spirit
   ...
   etc.

The reason for doing this is simply to make it easier to find out what a
particular letter stands for when you aren't sure.  But I think something
else special will happen when you do this.  I think you'll begin to simply
learn what "tTtmMW" means, and be able to translate directly into the
phrase.  And what this means is that you'll be learning the passage at a
phrase-by-phrase level rather than at a word-by-word level.

Think about it! This is truly an inspired method!  Its similar to the
difference between a child who first struggles at reading a letter
at-a-time, vs. the person who simply recognizes the whole word.

I'll post my list of common words to the group at a later date.  But here's
a couple tips on using this system:

Compound words are indicated as two letters with a tilde inbetween them.
    Somebody = s~b

Contractions are created as follows:
    couldn't = c't
    it's = i's
    etc.

Posessive contractions ending in s are created as follows:
    Chris' = C'
    (a space is required if the next letter
        is s.  No space required if next letter is
        t because all the negation contractions are
        lower-case letter words.)

It only takes a little extra effort to understand this system over
rote-memorization, but once you get the hang of it, it's fun!

Also, I'm working on a computer-program/system that will help reduce
memorization time by 50% to 90%.

Well, the list is still working, there are nearly 100 members, but I guess
no one has anything to say at the moment.

Stephen


Hi
I was just wondering if the list was down or if somehow I got removed
I need you all
Jeanne

Hi
I was just wondering if the list was down or if somehow I got removed
I need you all
Jeanne

Hi!

I have a question for the list:

Do any of you attend churches that promote Bible memorization
as a part of their ministries to the entire congregation?

(I am not referring to Sunday School or Vacation Bible School
programs promoting memorization.)

If yes, could you share some details on the plan?

If no, maybe you offer a few ideas on how such a plan could
be started for a congregation.


The reason for the question:  I am thinking about trying to
promote Bible memorization for the congregation I pastor.

I am aware of several wonderful commercial programs for
individuals, but none for congregations.

I would appreciate your suggestions.

Shalom!

Warren




PS:   Never limit your future by only doing
      what you have done in the past!

--------------------------------------------------
--       YOU CAN,  IF YOU BELIEVE YOU CAN       --
--------------------------------------------------
--   H. Warren Casiday,   casidayinfoave.net   --
--------------------------------------------------

Currently, my personal experience in group memorization of Scripture is =
through the First Place Program.  It is a Christ centered health program =
and primarily for weight loss and Bible Study.  Along with this program =
we memorize a Scripture a week (13 weeks inital program) pertinent to inp=
roving our health.  There are around 20 of us in the program and as we =
report each week, we are responsible for repeating the Scripture.

I don't know if this will help you or not.  It was started by a Baptist =
Church group several years ago.  It is an extensive program and maybe you=
r church would be interested.

Good luck in your endeavors.

Peace,

Charlene

Warren,

Only 2 mos ago I made it possible for churches to use Memlok church wide via
a reproduction license. $10 beyond the $49 cost for the 700 verses/48 topics
allows unlimited reproduction for up to 30 families. Otherwise, they would
all have to buy it at $49. It's working out nicely. They simply check off
which topics they want and you reproduce it on 67# velum card stock. The
lines to cut are visible because the originals are perforated. You need the
license with you if you take to Kinkos.

You could look at the website for pricing beyond 30. I recommend starting
small, thinking big, and going deep. Most "programs" fail because they start
big. It's even better if you do it first with your family and say, your
leadership team. Then, there are testimonies and changed lives and
enthusiasm that is more long-standing.

Hope this helps!

Drake Mariani memlokpacbell.net
Memlok/PC Memlok Bible Memory System 800-373-1947
For 15 Free Scripture memory Tips, reply "Tips" in Subject.
http://www.memlok.com (FREE STUFF - dozens of 'em)
-----Original Message-----
From: casidayInfoAve.Net 
To: biblememoryMyList.net 
Date: Wednesday, March 04, 1998 11:40 AM
Subject: Church Memorization Plans??


>Hi!
>
>I have a question for the list:
>
>Do any of you attend churches that promote Bible memorization
>as a part of their ministries to the entire congregation?
>
>(I am not referring to Sunday School or Vacation Bible School
>programs promoting memorization.)
>
>If yes, could you share some details on the plan?
>
>If no, maybe you offer a few ideas on how such a plan could
>be started for a congregation.
>
>
>The reason for the question:  I am thinking about trying to
>promote Bible memorization for the congregation I pastor.
>
>I am aware of several wonderful commercial programs for
>individuals, but none for congregations.
>
>I would appreciate your suggestions.
>
>Shalom!
>
>Warren
>
>
>
>
>PS:   Never limit your future by only doing
>      what you have done in the past!
>
>--------------------------------------------------
>--       YOU CAN,  IF YOU BELIEVE YOU CAN       --
>--------------------------------------------------
>--   H. Warren Casiday,   casidayinfoave.net   --
>--------------------------------------------------
>
>

Charlene,

I'd love to list that on a "Scripture Memory Resources" page at my website.
I'm a ways away from putting the page up, but I'd like the who where info if
you'd have it.

Thanks!

Drake Mariani memlokpacbell.net
Memlok/PC Memlok Bible Memory System 800-373-1947
For 15 Free Scripture memory Tips, reply "Tips" in Subject.
http://www.memlok.com (FREE STUFF - dozens of 'em)
-----Original Message-----
From: CDR Charlene Woodard 
To: biblememoryMyList.net 
Date: Wednesday, March 04, 1998 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: Church Memorization Plans??


Currently, my personal experience in group memorization of Scripture is
through the First Place Program.  It is a Christ centered health program and
primarily for weight loss and Bible Study.  Along with this program we
memorize a Scripture a week (13 weeks inital program) pertinent to inproving
our health.  There are around 20 of us in the program and as we report each
week, we are responsible for repeating the Scripture.

I don't know if this will help you or not.  It was started by a Baptist
Church group several years ago.  It is an extensive program and maybe your
church would be interested.

Good luck in your endeavors.

Peace,

Charlene

Name of program:  First Place  A Christ-centered Health Program

Address:
First Place
720 N. Post Oak
Suite 330
Houston, TX  77024

Internet Page:  http://www.firstplace.org/

Phone:  (800) 727-5223

Fax:  713.688.7282

The First Place Program is based at Houston's First Baptist Church, which=
 originated the program in 1981.

The Calvary Baptist Church here is Columbus, KS (very small town) is offe=
ring the program.  There are about 20 of us fromseveral different churche=
s participating.  We started the program two weeks ago.  The Calvary Bapt=
ist Church pastor is Todd MacLean.

Hope this helps, if you need more info, please contact me.

Peace,

Charlene

Just a suggestion - I'm not sure if this would be of interest but... what
about selecting a key verse/section from the message and encouraging
people to memorize that. This way they would be reviewing it often during
the week - a way to encourage application of it as well. Also they could
possibly have partners in order to be held accountable for the
memorization. Just some suggestions! We do not have a plan at our church
but I think it is an excellent idea as it is something lacking from many
churches but something that many people are interested in! Blessings,
Rochelle Plank

On Wed, 4 Mar 1998 casidayInfoAve.Net wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I have a question for the list:
>
> Do any of you attend churches that promote Bible memorization
> as a part of their ministries to the entire congregation?
>
> (I am not referring to Sunday School or Vacation Bible School
> programs promoting memorization.)
>
> If yes, could you share some details on the plan?
>
> If no, maybe you offer a few ideas on how such a plan could
> be started for a congregation.
>
>
> The reason for the question:  I am thinking about trying to
> promote Bible memorization for the congregation I pastor.
>
> I am aware of several wonderful commercial programs for
> individuals, but none for congregations.
>
> I would appreciate your suggestions.
>
> Shalom!
>
> Warren
>
>
>
>
> PS:   Never limit your future by only doing
>       what you have done in the past!
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> --       YOU CAN,  IF YOU BELIEVE YOU CAN       --
> --------------------------------------------------
> --   H. Warren Casiday,   casidayinfoave.net   --
> --------------------------------------------------
>
>
>

I agree that memorization isn't a priority at the churches I've attended over
my life and something I am not realizing that I missed out on.  I encourage
us all to talk about this within our church settings as well as in this
forum.

Rochelle E Plank wrote:

> I'm not sure if this would be of interest but... what
> about selecting a key verse/section from the message and encouraging
> people to memorize that.

Rochelle -I, for one, like this idea.  I've never done any Bible memory at
all and have just joined this list.  I am excited to get started.  :-)

As for "First Place"... I've know many women involved in it and have loved
it.  I've looked for it here in my new town but can't find it.  And I live
close to Houston where it originated.

It may seem unreal to some of you but I am in the process of memorizing the
12 disciples.  I went to church all my life (and I'm 42 years old) but never
memorized them all.  That's what got me looking for other memory type
things.  That shows how much (or little) I learned in church but thank God I
have the desire and will to learn His Word today.  :-)

Have a wonderful week-end everyone.  I'm embarrassed by my admission but if
it helps someone else start on this journey then it was well worth it.

Hi, I am new to the list too.  My name is Colleen (Mom of three)
cbrennanpce.net.  I agree with you about memorizing  key text, and I can't
name the twelve disciples either!  In fact, fear kept me from diving into
the word for many years. But, a few months ago while I was drinking from a
water fountain, the Lord told me he wants me to thirst for his word like I
thirst for water.  Funny thing is, I couldn't quench my thirst. After that,
the focus of church messages was the River of Life.  It was neat! I would
randomly turn to scripture and land on the same messages.

Personally, I think memorizing complete chapters is senseless unless every
sentence is worth memorizing.  However, remembering the context is vital.  I
plan to abstract or find a list of key verses from each chapter of the
bible. That is more realistic for me.  I've already become frustrated at the
thought of memorizing the whole bible...I know I can't do it, so I won't
pretend I can.  Good Luck to you.  Don't lose heart!
-----Original Message-----
From: Tamara Carman 
To: biblememoryMyList.net 
Date: Thursday, March 05, 1998 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: Church Memorization Plans??


>I agree that memorization isn't a priority at the churches I've attended
over
>my life and something I am not realizing that I missed out on.  I encourage
>us all to talk about this within our church settings as well as in this
>forum.
>
>Rochelle E Plank wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure if this would be of interest but... what
>> about selecting a key verse/section from the message and encouraging
>> people to memorize that.
>
>Rochelle -I, for one, like this idea.  I've never done any Bible memory at
>all and have just joined this list.  I am excited to get started.  :-)
>
>As for "First Place"... I've know many women involved in it and have loved
>it.  I've looked for it here in my new town but can't find it.  And I live
>close to Houston where it originated.
>
>It may seem unreal to some of you but I am in the process of memorizing the
>12 disciples.  I went to church all my life (and I'm 42 years old) but
never
>memorized them all.  That's what got me looking for other memory type
>things.  That shows how much (or little) I learned in church but thank God
I
>have the desire and will to learn His Word today.  :-)
>
>Have a wonderful week-end everyone.  I'm embarrassed by my admission but if
>it helps someone else start on this journey then it was well worth it.

In a message dated 98-03-08 10:07:24 EST, you write:

<< If you take Dean's reasoning to its logical conclusion nothing less than
 memorizing the entire bible would be acceptable.  This is not a realistic
goal >>

Why isn't it a realistic goal? If the Lord tarries, how much longer do you
plan on living?

With diligent application (of which I admit, I am less than faithful) a person
could memorize a lot of scripture in 50, 75 or even a hundred years.

Obviously, we pick and chose which passages we are going to be working on. I
was trying to emphasize the blessing that will be missed if we do not include
the entire passage.

I wasn't trying to pick on Colleen but I was responding to the statement that
said "memorizing complete chapters is senseless unless every sentence is worth
memorizing." From my personal experience, I heartily disagree.

Every word of scripture is worth memorizing.

One of the traps we fall into is to think that there are "more important"
passages (or verses) that we need to be working on. I have found that it
doesn't matter much where you are working. God can and will use it to speak to
you and transform your mind.

The important thing is steady diligence. Consistency in working every day.
Making it the most important task of the day.

"Now to Him is able to do immeasuably more than all we can ask or imagine,
according to His power that is at work within us...."

Dean May
Terre Haute

In a message dated 98-03-06 08:33:51 EST, you write:

<< Personally, I think memorizing complete chapters is senseless unless every
 sentence is worth memorizing.  >>

How do you decide which sentence is worth memorizing?

When we pick and choose verses we risk indulging our own sinful proclivities.
Our tendency is to skip the ones that are painful to us. Personally, I've
gained tremendous encouragement and insights from obscure verses that would
not ordinarily be considered worth memorizing.

Dean May
Terre Haute

Dear Mr. May,

I believe you have e-mailed the wrong person as I did not write the quote
you've attributed to me.

Sincerely,
LR Blanchette

If you take Dean's reasoning to its logical conclusion nothing less than
memorizing the entire bible would be acceptable.  This is not a realistic goal
for most people although I'm sure there are some who can accomplish it.  You
have
to make some decisions about what to study and when, what to memorize and when,
what to meditate about and when, etc.  I don't think these decisions open the
door to "indulging sinful proclivities." The spirt will guide you and lead you
and help you to discern, as He does in other decisions we have to make on a
day-to-day and moment-by-moment basis.
Michael "Not the Gloved One" Jackson
jacksonmgghlaw.com

DeanMay wrote:

> In a message dated 98-03-06 08:33:51 EST, you write:
>
> << Personally, I think memorizing complete chapters is senseless unless every
>  sentence is worth memorizing.  >>
>
> How do you decide which sentence is worth memorizing?
>
> When we pick and choose verses we risk indulging our own sinful proclivities.
> Our tendency is to skip the ones that are painful to us. Personally, I've
> gained tremendous encouragement and insights from obscure verses that would
> not ordinarily be considered worth memorizing.
>
> Dean May
> Terre Haute

Greetings Friends,

In response to the recent discussion, I'd like to repeat a previous message
concerning scripture memory because this subject is so vital to the
discipleship needs of our Christian life. I sent this message out once
before, so forgive me for being redundant, but this is an appropriate time
to do it again.

Scripture memory is fun for me now. There was a time when it was work and
druggery because I didn't understand how to do it. Now, I approach
scripture memory with the attitude of discovery and humour and I intend to
have fun with it every time I engage myself in this wonderful activity. The
idea of memorising scripture and not having fun with it, to me, is less
than the best, sort of like being out of church and living as a street
person. And I believe God would have us enjoy His word immensely, at all
times.

I seem to have the most fun when I come across a chapter or verse(s) that
has a special meaning to me at that particular moment in my life. For
instance, three weeks ago I was leading a home group and we were in Luke
4:1-13 discussing the temptations that Jesus was put to at the start of His
public ministry.  We noticed from Jesus example, that He used memorized
parts of scripture to defeat satan. That discussion lead us to consider
areas of our lives that were particularly sensitive to temptation. And we
all agreed to locate a verse or several verses that spoke to temptation in
our own individual life.

This activity became meaningful to me rather quickly. I was attracted to
Galatians 5:16,17,18, 22 and 25. There is no rule that says you have to
memorize the Word contiguously, i.e. one after the other. The selected
verses happen to be constituent elements enhanced by harmonious agreement,
in other words they are congruous and they must be in context. I tried to
memorize these verses by using rote memory techniques for two weeks, but I
could not cement the ideas or words into my thinking patterns.

Then I applied the cartooning technique by physically drawing a personal
cartoon of the individual verses, sentence by sentence, one after the
other, until I had several small cartoons on paper that described all the
ideas in those five verses. I placed the written verses with the hand-drawn
cartoons on 3X5 index cards into a file system to be used in a sequence of
rotation to refresh my memory from time to time.

And within 1 hour, maybe less, I could recite all five verses, backwards
and forwards, or inside out. Now, all the cartoons fit together like a
movie. And when I recollect any one cartoon, I can recollect all the other
cartoons in order, or out of order, any way I want, for the need of the
moment. You could ask me to name any of the five verses, and I could tell
what came before and after each verse.

I can perform this feat with the 66 books of the bible as well. It's
amazing. I become so exhilarated by having this control and ability that at
times, it makes me want to shout out loud how good it makes me feel. Like
the song says "Shout to the Lord with a voice of triumph. Shout to the Lord
with a voice of Joy. Hosanna. Hosanna. Shout to the Lord with a voice of
Joy. Praise Him. Praise Him. Shout to the Lord with a voice of Praise".

As a result of memorising these verses I am now supercharged and highly
encouraged to find out all about what the Holy Spirit desires for me,
according to Gal 5:17. I can't wait to know it all and be acting on that
knowledge. And according to Gal 5:25, all the areas of my life will be
affected, i.e. social/emotional, physical, intellectual and spiritual, if I
follow the Holy Spirit's leading. It makes me feel like a powerful
locomotive, working effectively and efficiently with little effort. (This
reminds me of the little engine that could.)

I get the feeling of anticipation like it's Christmas, like everyday is a
gift waiting to be unwrapped. My ability to memorise scripture successfully
and recite or use it appropriately is perhaps one of the two greatest
assets available to me, because God's word coming out of my mouth arouses
eagerness in me and other Spirit lead Christians to please God and to
fulfil His will in our lives. The other asset I value highly is my
relationships with my family, my friends, my church community and others,
such as yourselves. And the only thing that will get out of this earthly
life is people and God's word.

I think from my description that you can tell that this little experience
has changed my life substantially. So, I am certain that the motivation
which underpins a person's desire and need for scripture memory can empower
the individual to be more successful with this endeavor. I am certain God
is interested in changed hearts. It took 5 verses to change my heart
forever. Now the Holy Spirit is in control of my life, which is just where
God knows it is the best place for me and you to be.

So please Christians, have fun with God's word. Integrate it. Let it
motivate you, lift you, and empower you and let it do what it was intended
to do in your life and in your ministry.

And remember this thought from Dale Carnegie, author of "How to Win Friends
and Influence People", "Anyone who takes the time to disagree with you is
interested in the same things you are." It's a very good book about getting
along with people. Read it if you get the chance. Now, let's get on with
the day.

Gratefully Yours in Christ,
Noel Rini
nriniyahoo.com

Dean:
I think you are missing something here.  The Lord leads people in different ways
and as parts of His body he uses us in different ways.  If you feel that he is
leading you to memorize the entire bible then you should respond to that
leading.
Just be sure you are not responding to something originating in your own ego (or
to put it another way, originating in the flesh).  I've never met anyone who
claims to have memorized the entire bible.  It seems to me that to do so would
be
leave little time to respond to other tasks that the Lord may have for you to
do,
and establishing that as a goal may be setting yourself up to fail.  One thing
we
should always be careful of in our walk with the Lord is to maintain a healthy
balance.  Speaking for myself, some of the most egregious errors I have made in
my
walk with the Lord (And there have been many, but the Lord has always steered me
back in the right direction!) have occured when I got fixated on one aspect of
the
Christian life and upset the balance.  Memorizing scripture is not an end in
itself; it is one element -- albeit an important one -- in the life of a
Christion.
Michael "Not the Gloved One" Jackson
jacksonmgghlaw.com

DeanMay wrote:

> In a message dated 98-03-08 10:07:24 EST, you write:
>
> << If you take Dean's reasoning to its logical conclusion nothing less than
>  memorizing the entire bible would be acceptable.  This is not a realistic
> goal >>
>
> Why isn't it a realistic goal? If the Lord tarries, how much longer do you
> plan on living?
>
> With diligent application (of which I admit, I am less than faithful) a person
> could memorize a lot of scripture in 50, 75 or even a hundred years.
>
> Obviously, we pick and chose which passages we are going to be working on. I
> was trying to emphasize the blessing that will be missed if we do not include
> the entire passage.
>
> I wasn't trying to pick on Colleen but I was responding to the statement that
> said "memorizing complete chapters is senseless unless every sentence is worth
> memorizing." From my personal experience, I heartily disagree.
>
> Every word of scripture is worth memorizing.
>
> One of the traps we fall into is to think that there are "more important"
> passages (or verses) that we need to be working on. I have found that it
> doesn't matter much where you are working. God can and will use it to speak to
> you and transform your mind.
>
> The important thing is steady diligence. Consistency in working every day.
> Making it the most important task of the day.
>
> "Now to Him is able to do immeasuably more than all we can ask or imagine,
> according to His power that is at work within us...."
>
> Dean May
> Terre Haute

Hi,

I have been reading this exchange back and forth about how much and in
what detail is "worth memorizing."  I think the key is to take it one
step at a time, if looking at the total amount to memorize seems
overwhelming.  For some, it's not overwhelming, but an exciting
challenge.

I agree too that picking and choosing what is worth memorizing is
potentially deciding what parts of what God has considered important to
communicate to us is important committing to memory.

debby


Deborah L. Gerhardt
Assistant Director
Academic Advisory Center
College of Humanities & Social Sciences
Carnegie Mellon University
Baker Hall 161
Pittsburgh, PA   15213-3890
[412] 268-1076 (office phone/voice mail)
[412] 268-1293 (fax #)

Good morning everyone,

I may have asked this before but I don't recall any answers.  :-)

Does anyone have any helpful technique to learn the books of the Bible?
I would appreciate any help.

I am so new to this that I have listened with interest the conversation
about "what to memorize" and I can see both cases.  For now, I will
memorized things that I feel God is speaking to me about and who knows
later He may lead me to more ambitious memorization.

Thank you,
Tamara Carman

I agree with Noel: memorizing Scripture should have an element of fun in
it.

Rather than debate whether one should memorized entire chapters
continuously, or memorize only selected verses, let's rejoice that we're
memorizing Scripture in some form. Remember, sadly, that most Christians
(in the U.S., at least) have little or no Scripture committed to memory,
so memorziation in any form is a big victory!

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good morning, tamara.  just read your post. you wrote re what to memorize --
"For now, I will memorized things that I feel God is speaking to me about ..."

i have found that is what works for me.  the thing i think i should memorize
may not be what is needed in my growth at that point!  the Lord lets me
memorize it, but it doesn't stick, and while it has some profit, it is really
sidetracking me from His will.  i love to memorize, and can pick up large
quantities fairly easily (lots of practice).  but that is not the purpose, is
it!  but our Father knows the way we should go, and He points the way for us.
He is pleased to multiply the fruit of our effort to His glory as we purpose
to set our mind on heavenly things, as you are doing!

as to the books of the Bible... i seem to be in a minority of one as to
methods.  my post on the minor prophets was countered with a lot of more
sophisticated methods.  if just repeating the books of the Bible, and
repeating, repeating, repeating at the drop of a hat... doing dishes, driving
the car, waiting in line, etc., ... doesn't work, then these other methods
must work some other way.  for me, memorization comes with frequent
repetition.

that works for the short-term memory, which is the stage of putting the words
in your mind so that you don't need to see them in print to know what they
are.  the goal of short-term memorization is long-term -- to weave the words
of God into your soul, to meditate on them, live them, draw deeper meaning
from them, transform your thinking from earthly to heavenly, from human
thought to God's thoughts.  quantity is not what counts.  it is the seeking
the mind of Christ that counts!

God bless you!
your sister in Christ,
judy m

In a message dated 98-03-10 13:55:10 EST, you write:

<<  i seem to be in a minority of one as to
 methods.  my post on the minor prophets was countered with a lot of more
 sophisticated methods.  if just repeating the books of the Bible, and
 repeating, repeating, repeating at the drop of a hat... doing dishes, driving
 the car, waiting in line, etc., ... doesn't work, then these other methods
 must work some other way.  for me, memorization comes with frequent
 repetition.   >>

Not a minority of one. :-)  I appreciated your insight on the minor prophet
scheme.

You are right on track about the need to get it from short term memory into
long term storage. Frequent repitition. What works best for me is to speak it,
not just think it. When you speak it, you are using the most powerful area of
your brain, the speech control area. You are also using thoughts to recall,
the speech area to talk, and the auditory area to process what you are
hearing. Three areas of the brain are working together, then, on the project:
thoughts, speech, auditory.  My brain needs the exercise.

Peace to the brothers and love with faith from God the Father and the Lord
Jesus Christ.

Dean May
Terre Haute, IN

thanks, dean, for words of encouragement!  you also said, <>  yes, i am often
amazed at how many people try to memorize without saying the thing to be
memorized out loud.  i don't know how anyone can memorize just "in their
head."  i'm glad to have your description of why it is so helpful to use
speech!  thanx!

Yes - a different kind of tape really helps me.  They are the Scripture
Memory singing tapes - Scripture verbatim.  You can't memorize large
passages with this (they are a few verses per song), but I remember
these scriptures always with singing - it is THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY FOR
ME to memorize - it sticks because I love to sing.

These tapes are great because they are put to "adult contemporary" music
- and well done I might add - by "unknown" artists - at least to me.

Anyway, just another way to add to memorizing - I play them in my car to
and from work and waiting on highways to other places - it's a great way
to redeem the time waiting in the car going places.

debby


Deborah L. Gerhardt
Assistant Director
Academic Advisory Center
College of Humanities & Social Sciences
Carnegie Mellon University
Baker Hall 161
Pittsburgh, PA   15213-3890
[412] 268-1076 (office phone/voice mail)
[412] 268-1293 (fax #)

hello, I really haven't announced myself on this page yet,

my name is dudley crowe, I am 26 years old, married, and about to move to
Orlando Florida to attend Reformed Theological seminary.

I wanted to be on this list because I believe that memorizing scripture is
an important part of our "doing and being" Christians.

It helps me when that time comes when God says show me your Faith, and the
times when God calls me to be ready in and out of season...

I hope that i can further encourage any and all on the list and not be a
hindrance to anyone...

Dudley and Jackie Crowe
Joshua 5: 13 - 14

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> From: Deborah L Gerhardt 
> To: biblememoryMyList.net
> Subject: Re: Tapes really help!
> Date: Wednesday, March 11, 1998 9:11 AM
>
> Yes - a different kind of tape really helps me.  They are the Scripture
> Memory singing tapes - Scripture verbatim.  You can't memorize large
> passages with this (they are a few verses per song), but I remember
> these scriptures always with singing - it is THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY FOR
> ME to memorize - it sticks because I love to sing.
>
> These tapes are great because they are put to "adult contemporary" music
> - and well done I might add - by "unknown" artists - at least to me.
>
> Anyway, just another way to add to memorizing - I play them in my car to
> and from work and waiting on highways to other places - it's a great way
> to redeem the time waiting in the car going places.
>
> debby
>
>
> Deborah L. Gerhardt
> Assistant Director
> Academic Advisory Center
> College of Humanities & Social Sciences
> Carnegie Mellon University
> Baker Hall 161
> Pittsburgh, PA   15213-3890
> [412] 268-1076 (office phone/voice mail)
> [412] 268-1293 (fax #)

I always hated doing laundry until.....

I just found an old set of tapes on the New Testament that were a gift years
ago.  I finally played the tapes and discovered they are a great tool for
anyone who has lots of house work!  I caught up on all my work and made use
of valuable time to reflect on the Word.  This helped to reinforce my
reading.  (Elementary my dear Watson! I know, but sometimes the obvious
isn't so obvious!)
-----Original Message-----
From: AskJudySS 
To: biblememoryMyList.net 
Date: Wednesday, March 11, 1998 4:24 AM
Subject: Re: Books of Bible


>thanks, dean, for words of encouragement!  you also said, <for me is to speak it, not just think it. When you speak it, you are using
the
>most powerful area of your brain, the speech control area. >>  yes, i am
often
>amazed at how many people try to memorize without saying the thing to be
>memorized out loud.  i don't know how anyone can memorize just "in their
>head."  i'm glad to have your description of why it is so helpful to use
>speech!  thanx!

Randy,

sure - they are in my car and at home (I'm at work right now) - I'll
send an e-mail tomorrow about them - I found them at my local Christian
Bookstore - so I don't think they are hard to get.

I agree - it seems like music makes remembering so much easier - that is
for those who like to sing.

Have a "growing" in the Lord day,

debby


Deborah L. Gerhardt
Assistant Director
Academic Advisory Center
College of Humanities & Social Sciences
Carnegie Mellon University
Baker Hall 161
Pittsburgh, PA   15213-3890
[412] 268-1076 (office phone/voice mail)
[412] 268-1293 (fax #)

In 18.04 10/03/98 EST, AskJudySS ha scritto:
>thanks, dean, for words of encouragement!  you also said, <for me is to speak it, not just think it. When you speak it, you are using
the
>most powerful area of your brain, the speech control area. >>  yes, i am
often
>amazed at how many people try to memorize without saying the thing to be
>memorized out loud.  i don't know how anyone can memorize just "in their
>head."  i'm glad to have your description of why it is so helpful to use
>speech!  thanx!
>
>
HELLO
Could you help me and indicate the string I have to write in order to
cancel receiving messages? I am not interested in memorizing, but only in
meditation, praying and discussing Bible from an historical and theological
point of view. I am submerged with "memorizing" messages wich do ot
interest me at all.

I thank you very much. God bless you.

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Hi! I thought I would share on how I learned the books of the BIble...
It's relatively a simple approach: What I did was separate the books (in
their order) but into small subgroups (subgroups being books that are
beside others with similarities or maybe no similarities but just put
in a smaller group) and then learn one subgroup at a time (once again, in
order!). Once I had one group down, I woul dmove on to the next, memorize
that one, and then when that one was down, I would go back to the first
subgroup and go through those books in addition to the next subgroup. If I
had all of those down, I would proceed to the next group otherwise, focus
once again on any mistakes. Also, in the NT, there are some things that
might help, for example, all of hte -ANS are together (I believe!): Romans
- 2 Thessalonians. Then all of the T's are together (1 Thessalonians -
Titus (??)), and there are little patterns like that that might help. Hope
this may be of help! God Bless, Rochelle Plank

On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, AskJudySS wrote:

> good morning, tamara.  just read your post. you wrote re what to memorize --
> "For now, I will memorized things that I feel God is speaking to me about ..."
>
> i have found that is what works for me.  the thing i think i should memorize
> may not be what is needed in my growth at that point!  the Lord lets me
> memorize it, but it doesn't stick, and while it has some profit, it is really
> sidetracking me from His will.  i love to memorize, and can pick up large
> quantities fairly easily (lots of practice).  but that is not the purpose, is
> it!  but our Father knows the way we should go, and He points the way for us.
> He is pleased to multiply the fruit of our effort to His glory as we purpose
> to set our mind on heavenly things, as you are doing!
>
> as to the books of the Bible... i seem to be in a minority of one as to
> methods.  my post on the minor prophets was countered with a lot of more
> sophisticated methods.  if just repeating the books of the Bible, and
> repeating, repeating, repeating at the drop of a hat... doing dishes, driving
> the car, waiting in line, etc., ... doesn't work, then these other methods
> must work some other way.  for me, memorization comes with frequent
> repetition.
>
> that works for the short-term memory, which is the stage of putting the words
> in your mind so that you don't need to see them in print to know what they
> are.  the goal of short-term memorization is long-term -- to weave the words
> of God into your soul, to meditate on them, live them, draw deeper meaning
> from them, transform your thinking from earthly to heavenly, from human
> thought to God's thoughts.  quantity is not what counts.  it is the seeking
> the mind of Christ that counts!
>
> God bless you!
> your sister in Christ,
> judy m
>

Thanks Rochelle for the information.  I think I'll pass it on to my daughter.
You
wouldn't believe... someone else wrote to me with two silly sentences that
helped
him learn the new testament and it helped me so much I had them down...
frontwards
and backwards that very day.... now I am working to commit them to my long term
memory and then I will start on the old testament.  My daughter didn't grasp the
idea and said it would make it even harder for her... and I think you're idea
will
be great for her.  So thanks again for sharing.  :-)

Love, in Christ,
Tamara

In a message dated 98-03-13 11:12:26 EST, you write:

<< Then all of the T's are together (1 Thessalonians -
 Titus (??)) >>

Go eat popcorn, Charlie. Galations, Ephesians, Philipians, Colosians. Then the
all the T's.
The T's are in alphabetical order. That has always helped me keep them
straight.

Dean May
Terre Haute, IN

Go Eat Popcorn, Charlie tip was taught to me years ago by Marcia Davey in
Lafayette, IN whose husband Tom is also on this list but is a lurker.
Greetings, Tom!

Going along with this idea - something else that might be worth a try...
The videos of Matthew and Acts that have come out are word for word of the
NIV. This might actually help in memorizing as watching soemthing
relating to the verses might help. I haven't tried this, the thought just
occurred to me!
Blessings,
Rochelle Plank

On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Deborah L Gerhardt wrote:

> Yes - a different kind of tape really helps me.  They are the Scripture
> Memory singing tapes - Scripture verbatim.  You can't memorize large
> passages with this (they are a few verses per song), but I remember
> these scriptures always with singing - it is THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY FOR
> ME to memorize - it sticks because I love to sing.
>
> These tapes are great because they are put to "adult contemporary" music
> - and well done I might add - by "unknown" artists - at least to me.
>
> Anyway, just another way to add to memorizing - I play them in my car to
> and from work and waiting on highways to other places - it's a great way
> to redeem the time waiting in the car going places.
>
> debby
>
>
> Deborah L. Gerhardt
> Assistant Director
> Academic Advisory Center
> College of Humanities & Social Sciences
> Carnegie Mellon University
> Baker Hall 161
> Pittsburgh, PA   15213-3890
> [412] 268-1076 (office phone/voice mail)
> [412] 268-1293 (fax #)
>

I really like the idea of learning verses through song because I love to sing
and I agree that music also seems to stick in my brain.  :-)

My question is when you learn verses this way... do you know what book,
chapter and verse you are learning?  One of the reason's I decided it was
important for me to start memorizing is so I could recite a verse, but also be
able to point a person to that verse if they had any questions or wanted to
read it for themselves.  It seems there are many times that I can paraphrase
something I've read in the Bible or even recite it... but I can't tell the
person where to find the verse.  I've really enjoyed this loop in the short
time I've been on it.  I've gotten so many good ideas.  One person wrote to me
on their method of learning the books of the Bible and I had them down that
very day... front wards and backwards.

God Bless,
Tamara

Tamara,

Yes - before or after the song, the artist says the book, chapter and
verse - it kind of sticks because you hear it while the intro is being
played or at the end as the music fades.

I forgot the bring the info on the company and names of the tapes to
work - I'll try and remember on Monday.

debby


Deborah L. Gerhardt
Assistant Director
Academic Advisory Center
College of Humanities & Social Sciences
Carnegie Mellon University
Baker Hall 161
Pittsburgh, PA   15213-3890
[412] 268-1076 (office phone/voice mail)
[412] 268-1293 (fax #)

Greetings List Members,

    I have just set up a set of links to the biblememory list archives for
January and February.  These may be found at
http://home.istar.ca/~ssimpson/archives.shtml

Thank you
Stephen Simpson

Greetings! I am a Seminary student at New orleans Baptist Theological
Seminary. I attend the extension campus in Orlando, FL. I am a liscened
Minister with the Southen Bap. Church Assoc.. My passion is Biblical
Theological studies, and I also love Apologetics. I can remeber
Scripture okay, it is just that I forget the refrence chapter and verse
a lot. I am always looking for a way to learn more about God's Holy
Word. I am Reformed in my personal perspective. I have a son Joshua, 7
months old, and my wife Jennifer. I am happy to be on your list and
invite you to email me , as I am always eager to serve you. BTW, My
website( hyperlink at bottom) has numerous Bible study sites that will
help any student of the Scriptures. God Bless you all!


Solo Scriptura,
C. LLoyd Chesser
Micah 6:8                Ministry Website:
http://homepage.usr.com/s/standardm3

liked your post, robby!  i've never heard of bible bowl.  you said memory text
is luke & acts 1-12...  you mean all 24 chapters of luke?  how does it work?
who's in your group?  sounds really neat.  how far along are you?  i know luke
will greatly enrich your life!

your sis in Christ, judy mahoney

Hi, my name is Robby Stewart and I am a senior in high school.  Currently
I am involved in Bible Bowl, which is a quick recall-type game using a
certain part of the Bible.  This year's text is Luke and Acts 1-12.  In
order to succeed in Bible Bowl, you must memorize the text.  I have found
that memorizing Scripture is even more useful to my life than to Bible
Bowl.

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Judy, we have monthly competitions where teams of four compete against
each other. The toss-up questions consists of a lead that will contain a
key word or phrase, usually a once or twice used word.  If you recognize
the key word you buzz in and say the verse(s) that word appears in.  Then
if you get the toss-up right, you get a bonus that is worth anywhere from
20 to 40 points.  There are over 200 teams nation-wide.  Last year my
team finished in the top 64.  My church Southeast Christian in
Louisville, is one of the largest, we have seven teams.

The text is broken up into six parts.  And each month, beginning in
September, we meet over that certain part. Right now we are covering the
entire text, all 24 chapter of Luke and the first 12 chapter of Acts.  As
far as memorizing it, I'm in Luke 4. (mainly because I slacked off the
first part of the year)  But I know the text pretty well, just not enough
to quote it.

In Christ
Robby

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thanx for the info, robby!  years ago i felt the Lord prompting me to memorize
Luke, and i resisted, but He persisted..  i relented partially.  said, "i'm
not going to memorize it, but i'll write out the first letter of each word
(put on graph paper in a little notebook) and learn it well enough to read
from it."  what a surprise i had when i found myself quoting various different
verses from Luke as they applied to my experience at the time.  the Lord had
"memorized" it into my heart in spite of myself!!!  it took about 4 passes of
reading the initials & referring to Bible before i could read straight from
the initials.

it's not my preferred method, but at times it gets me out of a slump.  maybe
because it's a challenge, or like a word game... (& i like games)...  there
must be something about the method that enables subtle memorizing.  there's a
lot about learning we do not know!  but most of all, when the Lord gives us a
job to do, He enables us.

God bless you!
your sis in Christ,
judy

Those type helps are really good.

One that I heard was
    General Electric Power Company for Gal ; Eph ; Phil ; Col

> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeanMay [SMTP:DeanMayaol.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 13, 1998 3:12 PM
> To:   biblememoryMyList.net
> Subject:  Re: Books of Bible
>
> In a message dated 98-03-13 11:12:26 EST, you write:
>
> << Then all of the T's are together (1 Thessalonians -
>  Titus (??)) >>
>
> Go eat popcorn, Charlie. Galations, Ephesians, Philipians, Colosians. Then
> the
> all the T's.
> The T's are in alphabetical order. That has always helped me keep them
> straight.
>
> Dean May
> Terre Haute, IN
>
> Go Eat Popcorn, Charlie tip was taught to me years ago by Marcia Davey in
> Lafayette, IN whose husband Tom is also on this list but is a lurker.
> Greetings, Tom!

Greetings!  I'm new to the list so here's a quick intro:  I'm a 24yr old
Math Education major at UGA in Athens, GA (I graduate this spring!).  I've
been saved for about two years, and have recently begun to memorize
Scripture in the NKJV.
Feel free to drop me a note.

Here's a little something I ran across this morning:

Early in my ministry the teaching of Dawson Trotman influenced me to
memorize Scripture.  He kept stressing, "I have hidden your word in my heart
that I might not sin against you" (Psalm 119:11).  We have a sword to ward
off the temptations of Satan.  Jesus, in his hour of temptation, confronted
Satan with "It is written" (Luke 4:8).  "Therefore put on the full armor of
God so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your
ground. . . .Take. . . the sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God"
(Ephesians 6:13,17).  John in the Revelation of Jesus Christ tells us, "They
overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony"
(12:11).  That sword if the Word, the Word of God, and it must be hidden in
our hearts.  That's why Scripture memorization is so important,  It ought to
be done when your young, as much as possible, because as you get older it's
harder to memorize.  I find it much more difficult to memorize a Scripture
now and retain it than I did twenty-five to thirty years ago.

Can you guess who wrote the above?  None other than the Protestant Pope
himself, Dr. Billy Graham.

Good stuff.

The vowels, in order, are AEIOU...

gAlatians, Ephesians, phIllipians, cOlossians

contain the vowels in order...

the first vowel in each of those book names is in order

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About twenty years ago, when I was a teenager, I had the opportunity to
participate in a team game based on Bible memory. I don't know if it was
"Bible Bowl" or a different game, but the idea was the same. I chose not
to participate; I've been sorry ever since that I didn't do it. It would
have been a great opportunity, and I was foolish to say "no"!

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At 03:40 PM 3/16/98 -0500, you wrote:
>thanx for the info, robby!  years ago i felt the Lord prompting me to memorize
>Luke, and i resisted, but He persisted..  i relented partially.  said, "i'm
>not going to memorize it, but i'll write out the first letter of each word
>(put on graph paper in a little notebook) and learn it well enough to read
>from it."  what a surprise i had when i found myself quoting various different
>verses from Luke as they applied to my experience at the time.  the Lord had
>"memorized" it into my heart in spite of myself!!!  it took about 4 passes of
>reading the initials & referring to Bible before i could read straight from
>the initials.
>

Hi 'sis in Christ, judy!'

Could you show a short example of your memorization method of Luke.

I am not real clear what you are talking about.

I think I understand, but would appreciate an example.

Thanks! and Shalom!

Warren





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      what you have done in the past!

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 hello everybody,

 just allow me to share my impression anbout bible memorization:
it is easy !
what is the secret ? just do it. the bible was written to be known by heart.
therefore the verses are not constructed in a complicated or difficult manner.

all it takes, and that is the more dificult part, is constant repetition -
constant !

we have founded a group that learns the gospel of matthew by heart,
and, surprisingly, it works; from the very beginning we know that we need to be
dedicated to this task - and that is the key; read stepen simpson before you
start to study, very good advice.

if you want to know more about our experience and set-up, feel free
to email. our initiative is called ' unfolding grace '

in Him we live
eckhart diestel

Hi everyone,

I'm very new to bible memory and am putting the verses on business cards
(small writing) and carrying them with me.  I recite them as often when
ever I think about it through out the day.  What I've started with is
not really bible verses at all.  I came to realize a few weeks ago that
I didn't even know who the 12 disciples were... and that really bothered
me.  I knew (and know)  so little that I assumed Matthew, Mark,
Luke and John were at least part of them... and of course Paul.  Don't
ask me how I came to this conclusion... just a lack of knowledge and
understanding of who these people were.   Anyways, that's what lead me
to the bible memory page because I realized that it was something I
desired to do... also during the same time I realized I didn't know the
disciples God sent me this verse:

Romans 1:28 (NIV)
"Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the
knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind to do what ought
not be done."

Sorry I have rambled on so.  I still haven't gotten to why I'm
writing.... how many verses do you all study at one time?  I have 6
cards I'm studying right now... That's been 2 a week.  Each week I've
added 2 items (whether it be bible verses, the disciples, or the books
of the bible).  I hope my question makes sense.  Thanks.  I've really
enjoyed your comments and experiences.

Tamara Carman

I would like to know more about this "unfolding grace."

I am currently in the process of memorizing the Romans 5.  My process is as
simple as writing them on an index card and carrying it around with me all
the time, and whenever I have a free second I read it, over and over.  Then
when I have a few minutes free, I write the verses out without looking at
my card.  Then I break the scripture apart into all its parts.  Then I
write what the verse means to me.  I found that someone else had talked
about "studying" the scripture that you are memorizing and it helps out a
lot, it is certainly helping me.  If you have any tips on how to memorize
entire books of the Bible please tell.

thanks
Dudley and Jackie Crowe
Joshua 5: 13 - 15

----------
> From: Eckhart Diestel 
> To: biblememoryMyList.net
> Subject: biblememory is easy
> Date: Friday, March 20, 1998 5:55 AM
>
>
>
>  hello everybody,
>
>  just allow me to share my impression anbout bible memorization:
> it is easy !
> what is the secret ? just do it. the bible was written to be known by
heart. therefore the verses are not constructed in a complicated or
difficult manner.
>
> all it takes, and that is the more dificult part, is constant repetition
- constant !
>
> we have founded a group that learns the gospel of matthew by heart,
> and, surprisingly, it works; from the very beginning we know that we need
to be dedicated to this task - and that is the key; read stepen simpson
before you start to study, very good advice.
>
> if you want to know more about our experience and set-up, feel free
> to email. our initiative is called ' unfolding grace '
>
> in Him we live
> eckhart diestel
>
>

In a message dated 98-03-20 08:32:11 EST, you write:

<< My process is as
 simple as writing them on an index card and carrying it around with me all
 the time, and whenever I have a free second I read it, over and over. >>

Dudley,

This nearly identical to the process that I use. It's not glamourus , but it
works. It's the Deut 6 principle: when you sit at home and when you walk along
the road; when you lie down and when you get up. Tie them as symbals on your
hands and bind them on your foreheads. Write them on the doorframes of your
houses and on your gates.

This makes the memorization and recitation a day long process that we weave
the rest of our lives around. Keep it up and you'll be amazed at what you'll
be able to accomplish.

Dean May
Terre Haute, IN

Eckhart is correct: much of the Bible was intended for memorization. I
have found that some different translations are easier for me to memorize
than others. If you have trouble memorizing, try  a different
translation.

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Tamara,

One thing that a friend of mine and myself experienced a little while back
while trying to memorize 2 verses a week, was recall a month after studying
them.  Our minds were so in tune with the scriptures that we were currently
doing that in the time that we wanted to recall them, we could remember
bits and pieces of them, but not the entire thing.

I know try and memorize one per week, but I am also a huge advocate for
reading the Bible every day and becoming familiar with the scripture
instead of just intellectualizing it.

When you get out in the world or just in your Sunday school class, or in
front of the youth group giving a lesson, you want to give the scripture in
confidence and not have to search for the words.  When you are witnessing
to people, it always helps to show forth confidence in this area.  Just
last night it happened, I am currently working at a Chilis in Tucker, Ga.
and I was carrying a card with me trying to memorize Romans 5:1 in the
process of memorizing the whole book(whhhh!!!) and as I was reading it out
loud, a co-worker came up and asked what I was doing and I said "ok God if
you want me to witness to this girl" and I started talking about what I
believed and why I was memorizing the scripture.  She was a little
surprised at anyone trying to memorize something for no reason, but I know
that God will use it for His Glory.

Just some thoughts, as you said, enough of my rambling, hope this helps,

dudley
Joshua 1: 9

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> From: Tamara Carman 
> To: biblememoryMyList.net
> Subject: How much?
> Date: Friday, March 20, 1998 9:27 PM
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm very new to bible memory and am putting the verses on business cards
> (small writing) and carrying them with me.  I recite them as often when
> ever I think about it through out the day.  What I've started with is
> not really bible verses at all.  I came to realize a few weeks ago that
> I didn't even know who the 12 disciples were... and that really bothered
> me.  I knew (and know)  so little that I assumed Matthew, Mark,
> Luke and John were at least part of them... and of course Paul.  Don't
> ask me how I came to this conclusion... just a lack of knowledge and
> understanding of who these people were.   Anyways, that's what lead me
> to the bible memory page because I realized that it was something I
> desired to do... also during the same time I realized I didn't know the
> disciples God sent me this verse:
>
> Romans 1:28 (NIV)
> "Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the
> knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind to do what ought
> not be done."
>
> Sorry I have rambled on so.  I still haven't gotten to why I'm
> writing.... how many verses do you all study at one time?  I have 6
> cards I'm studying right now... That's been 2 a week.  Each week I've
> added 2 items (whether it be bible verses, the disciples, or the books
> of the bible).  I hope my question makes sense.  Thanks.  I've really
> enjoyed your comments and experiences.
>
> Tamara Carman

In a message dated 98-03-20 21:31:10 EST, you write:

<< how many verses do you all study at one time? >>

Tamara,

I like to work on a passage instead of verses here and there. I normally work
on just one, sometimes 2, verses a day to memorize, but at least once during
the day, I read ahead (aloud, very important) 4 or 5 verses. This gives me a 3
to 4 day exposure to the verse before I start working on it.

I find that repetition over several days, even though I am not actively
working on memorizing, makes the actual memory work much easier.

One a day doesn't sound like much, but slow and steady wins the race.

Dean May
Terre Haute, IN

Hi, I was just visiting your page and thought I would let you know about my
ABC way of memorizing a verse a week.  My daughter and I started doing this
last year and it worked well for us, so I added it to my web page a few months
ago.  I choose verses according to the alphabet ie: A : all have sinned and
fall short of the glory of God.  Romans 3:23.

I find I can recall a verse easier if I relate it to a letter of the
alphabet...it gets my mind in gear to remember I guess !  I thought if it
worked for me and my daughter that it might work for others, so I made a web
page and invited others to join me.  I e-mail one verse out each week to those
requesting it.  I also have the verses on the page so people can easily refer
back to them.  I have had some response but would like a better one.  As you
said, most people are not really interested in memorizing scripture. But, I
will keep it there and keep trying--it helps me and the few who have joined
and that is important in itself.  I pray for those who do join and try to
encourage them weekly as I am sure Satan doesn't want us to memorize the Word.
I also pray for the page that God will bring people to it.  His Word is
powerful and can accomplish much.

Just thought I would share what I am doing.....enjoyed visiting your site.  If
you would like to visit my site and see the Scripture Memorization page you
can just click here and go>
SMILE !  GOD  LOVES
YOU !

Blessings in Him, encourgeaol.com

hi everybody

first read stephen simpsons homepage biblememory, it helps tremendously to get
started and organized.

i download KJV verses, have them printed out in small print, cut the printout to
a 2x3 size , laminate that sheet with a machine that i bought at Staples , costs
50 US dollar;

recently i bought a plastic lens ( x 3.5 ) to help me read the small print -
thus i get a lot of text on one sheet. the laminated card sits in my pocket, you
can get an entire chapter on one card easily.

according to stephen simpson you need to memorize a verse at least a 100 times
study the verse profoundly and well the first time you see it, only then go to
the next vers.
define what you want to study before you start. if you want to learn matthew by
heart, contact us , we are ' unfolding grace ',  a laygroup of 4 people at this
point. we will be happy to help and accompany anybody who wants to be
accountable to christian brothers while memorizing.

have a good and blessed day
In Him we live
Eckhart

hi warren!  sorry to take so long in responding to your question.  you asked
about

 your question was

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not sure how well i can explain (i usually show people the handwritten
version...)  anyway, i'll try!  okay?...

the first letter of each word is written down, with maximum of 7 initials per
line.  use BLOCK CAPS as a standard...  for example, for John 2:1, "And the
third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was
there."  without the variations i'll share below, this verse would be written
as follows:

CHAPTER 2
1   A T T D T W
    A M I C O G;
    A T M O J W T.

now, i vary the letters so they are not so confusing.  make lower-case t
always stand for the word "the," lower case a for "a" and "an,"  lower case o
for "of," and any other common words you feel you can be helped by.  use a
number where a number is referred to (third becomes 3), and symbols where they
apply (& for and).  for proper names i use cursive (Cana = C).  (since i don't
know how much formatting may transfer in this email, i'll state that i used
italics for C, but in writing it out, you would use a cursive C that is
distinctive from block caps).  so the text becomes:

CHAPTER 2
1   & t 3 D T W
     a M I C o G;
     & t M o J W T.

i use other variations, too.  for Jesus i use the greek letter chi (looks like
a cursive x that extends below the line).  i don't use the number 1 for one or
first, because it looks too much like block cap letter i.

you can buy little pocket spiral notebooks that work out great for writing out
the verses of whatever you are working on.  for long passages where i have
trouble with some phrases, i lightly pencil in the difficult word, and erase
it when i finally know it by heart.

hope this helps, and if you try it and like it, please let me know!

your sis in Christ,
judy

Hello all,

   New list member here, just wanted to say hi.  I'm in the process of
memorizing 1 John, if
anyone else out there is doing the same perhaps we could assist each other.


Richard

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At 05:45 PM 3/23/98 -0500, you wrote:
>hi warren!  sorry to take so long in responding to your question.  you asked
>about
>
>the initials> your question was
>
><not real clear what you are talking about.  I think I understand, but would
>appreciate an example.>>

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Hi Judy!

Thanks for the example.

I am going to have to give it a try.

It sounds more fun than the normal business or 3x5 cards.

Shalom!

Warren




PS:   Never limit your future by only doing
      what you have done in the past!

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Hi all!  I just joined the list and thought I would tell you a little
about myself.

My name is Scott Groppenbecker.  I am a sophomore in high school, and am
involved there with Student Venture, the high school ministry outreach
of Campus Crusade for Christ. (Try saying that fast 3 times... on second
thought, try saying that once!)

I have been a Christian all my life, and am trying to learn as much as I
can of God's word.  This also tends to bring out a yearning to memorize
scripture :o)  I preach at my church (Anderson Ferry Church of Christ)
some times, and am also involved in the av/sound/computer ministry
there.

I am a web master, and work on mainly 3 sites:  my home page (CrossNet -
http://w3.goodnews.net/~netkid/, JavaScripts.com, and Anderson Ferry
Church of Christ - http://members.xoom.com/afcc/).  I can also do some
graphics work, especially in the area of photo retouching, collages, and
text manipulation.

I am also the son of Jan, who is also on this list but hasn't submitted
a profile of herself (hint, hint mom!).

OK, I think that is enough about me.  Feel free to email me at
netkidgoodnews.net anytime.  I am willing to help anyone in any way I
can!  Other than that, I am glad to be a part of this list.

In Christ,
Scott Groppenbecker

Enjoyed the introduction, Scott... Welcome aboard....

Although you're MUCH younger than me sounds like you could teach me a lot.


Glad you're here.  I also do web pages.. but nothing exciting or good. Just
for the fun of it.

Your friend, in Christ,


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Tamara Carman

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http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Loge/2631/    Permian High School

Dave, thanks for the feedback!  the technique is derived from basic first
letter idea i heard somewhere.  i came up with the variations... guess i've
always liked "codes," so it seemed natural...  as to the why's (<>), "all of the above," partly, but mostly i've found that
the technique seems to trigger something in aiding memorization.  maybe it's
that the mind has to fish for the word that the letter stands for, and this
unlocks a door somewhere.  i don't know.

there is much of "brain" we do not consciously use, as we are told so often
("man uses 10% or less..." -- have you heard this?).  we have photographic
memories, but this ability is scrambled for most of us.  still, haven't we
experienced looking for a verse in Scripture "on the right-hand page in the
lower left quadrant..."?  that's a snapshot, and while we can't read from it,
it's still a part of the photographic memory capacity.

well, in the end the thing that makes memorizing work is the Holy Spirit.  He
brings to our memory, He leads us to all truth.  we use "what is in our hand,"
or that is, God makes use of what is in our hand, what He has given us, and
multiplies our efforts.  we memorize the Word in order to learn the mind and
heart of Christ, not to have more quantity-knowledge.

God bless you, friend!

your sis' in Christ, ... judy

Sorry to bother everyone, but I was wondering if someone could send me the
post Judy originally made about her first letter memorizing method.  I
accidentally deleted it!  Thanks!

Megan

wow, david, that was intricate!  i think you've got some good ideas, too!  i
didn't tell you about the possessive apostrophe, but you came with it too.  i
think that's neat.  i was going to pass that along at a later date.  what i do
for possessive words that have apostrophe in the text (Paul's, for example) is
P'   (P is cursive because proper name)...

what are you memorizing?

til' later... your sis, judy

Did I miss a posting on this list? Somebody was going to post the
information about a cassette or CD of Bible songs which were useful for
memorization. Maybe I missed it. Can you post it again?

A.C. Smith

Hi - it was me who was going to do it.  I was waiting for the company to
send me the whole list and info, in case your Christian Bookstore can't
get them for you - this is the direct stuff.

Scripture Memory
Integrity Direct, Inc.
Mobile, AL   36695
1-800-533-6912 (ext. 3256)

They take credit cards over the phone, or personal checks through the mail.

Each tape's price is $9.98 or CD's price is $12.98.
Shipping and Handling:
$0-30        $3.95
$30.01-60    $5.65
$60.01-80    $7.25
$80.01-100   $8.65
Over $100    $9.95

Title                Tape Order #      CD Order #
-----                ------------      ----------
God's Grace            IMC300            IMD300
Overcoming Anxiety     IMC301            IMD301
Spiritual Warfare      IMC303            IMD303
Praise                 IMC304            IMD304
Healing                IMC305            IMD305
Overcoming Guilt       IMC306            IMD306
Encouragement          IMC307            IMD307
Personal Victory       IMC308            IMD308
God's Guidance         IMC309            IMD309
God's Provision        IMC310            IMD310
God's Love             IMC311            IMD311
Overcoming Fear        IMC312            IMD312
Power of Thanksgiving  IMC313            IMD313
Building Your Faith    IMC314            IMD314
Overcoming Stress      IMC315            IMD315
Renewing Your Mind     IMC316            IMD316
Finding God's Will     IMC317            IMD317
God's Promises         IMC318            IMD318
Hope of Heaven         IMC319            IMD319
Power of Worship       IMC320            IMD320
Strength That Endures  IMC321            IMD321
Wisdom From Above      IMC322            IMD322
God's Comfort          IMC323            IMD323
Forgiveness            IMC324            IMD324
Shield of Faith        IMC325            IMD325
Everlasting Hope       IMC326            IMD326

This listing did not tell of the different verses on each tape.  I guess
you'd need to call them to find that out.  Happy singing and memorizing!

debby



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