Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:32:03 -0500 Subject: Re: first letter memorizing From: David Stein >the first letter of each word is written down, with maximum of 7 initials per >line. use BLOCK CAPS as a standard... for example, for John 2:1, "And the >third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was >there." without the variations i'll share below, this verse would be written >as follows: > >CHAPTER 2 >1 A T T D T W > A M I C O G; > A T M O J W T. > >now, i vary the letters so they are not so confusing. make lower-case t >always stand for the word "the," lower case a for "a" and "an," lower case o >for "of," and any other common words you feel you can be helped by. use a >number where a number is referred to (third becomes 3), and symbols where they >apply (& for and). for proper names i use cursive (Cana = C). (since i don't >know how much formatting may transfer in this email, i'll state that i used >italics for C, but in writing it out, you would use a cursive C that is >distinctive from block caps). so the text becomes: > >CHAPTER 2 >1 & t 3 D T W > a M I C o G; > & t M o J W T. > >i use other variations, too. for Jesus i use the greek letter chi (looks like >a cursive x that extends below the line). i don't use the number 1 for one or >first, because it looks too much like block cap letter i. > This is an amazing technique, Judy... I just love it. Its a step between pure memorization and a little bit of help. Do you use this technique just to save on wear-and-tear of writing down the verses, or for compactness and ability to write more verses on one line? Or does it really help in the memorization process somehow? Or all of the above? :) I would like a little more background on your use of this technique, and how you developed it, if that's ok with you. Thanks! David =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:34:18 -0500 Subject: Re: first letter memorizing From: David Stein >the first letter of each word is written down, with maximum of 7 initials per Woops! I just found the answer to my questions in a past post of yours. Thanks again! David =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 07:45:59 -0500 Subject: Re: first letter memorizing From: David Stein >well, in the end the thing that makes memorizing work is the Holy Spirit. He >brings to our memory, He leads us to all truth. we use "what is in our hand," >or that is, God makes use of what is in our hand, what He has given us, and >multiplies our efforts. we memorize the Word in order to learn the mind and >heart of Christ, not to have more quantity-knowledge. Thanks Judy! I've been working on this, and have carried it even a bit further. I've compiled a list of the most common English words. All those will be lower case, and the rest upper case. Then, what I do is put the letters next to each other rather than separated by spaces. This really helps! I put them next to each other in phrases. Its then easier to learn a phrase than it is word-by-word. For example, here is your paragraph, above: w,itE tTtmMW itHS. hBtoM, hLutaT. wu"wiioH," oti, Gmuo wiioh, wHhgu, aMoE. wMtW iOtL tMaHoC, nthmQ-K. Its facinating that it seems a good "chunk" size for this code happens to be about the same number of letters that are in a word. My next step is to experiment with the following: write down each letter-combination and indicate its meaning, w,itE - well, in the end tTtmMW - the thing that makes memorizing work itHS - is the Holy Spirit ... etc. The reason for doing this is simply to make it easier to find out what a particular letter stands for when you aren't sure. But I think something else special will happen when you do this. I think you'll begin to simply learn what "tTtmMW" means, and be able to translate directly into the phrase. And what this means is that you'll be learning the passage at a phrase-by-phrase level rather than at a word-by-word level. Think about it! This is truly an inspired method! Its similar to the difference between a child who first struggles at reading a letter at-a-time, vs. the person who simply recognizes the whole word. I'll post my list of common words to the group at a later date. But here's a couple tips on using this system: Compound words are indicated as two letters with a tilde inbetween them. Somebody = s~b Contractions are created as follows: couldn't = c't it's = i's etc. Posessive contractions ending in s are created as follows: Chris' = C' (a space is required if the next letter is s. No space required if next letter is t because all the negation contractions are lower-case letter words.) It only takes a little extra effort to understand this system over rote-memorization, but once you get the hang of it, it's fun! Also, I'm working on a computer-program/system that will help reduce memorization time by 50% to 90%. =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 17:29:41 -0500 Subject: Re: where are you guys? From: "Stephen Simpson" Well, the list is still working, there are nearly 100 members, but I guess no one has anything to say at the moment. Stephen Hi I was just wondering if the list was down or if somehow I got removed I need you all Jeanne =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 12:16:21 +0000 Subject: where are you guys? From: "Jeanne" Hi I was just wondering if the list was down or if somehow I got removed I need you all Jeanne =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 14:34:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: Church Memorization Plans?? From: Hi! I have a question for the list: Do any of you attend churches that promote Bible memorization as a part of their ministries to the entire congregation? (I am not referring to Sunday School or Vacation Bible School programs promoting memorization.) If yes, could you share some details on the plan? If no, maybe you offer a few ideas on how such a plan could be started for a congregation. The reason for the question: I am thinking about trying to promote Bible memorization for the congregation I pastor. I am aware of several wonderful commercial programs for individuals, but none for congregations. I would appreciate your suggestions. Shalom! Warren PS: Never limit your future by only doing what you have done in the past! -------------------------------------------------- -- YOU CAN, IF YOU BELIEVE YOU CAN -- -------------------------------------------------- -- H. Warren Casiday, casidayinfoave.net -- -------------------------------------------------- =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 04 Mar 98 14:41:02 PST Subject: Re: Church Memorization Plans?? From: CDR Charlene Woodard Currently, my personal experience in group memorization of Scripture is = through the First Place Program. It is a Christ centered health program = and primarily for weight loss and Bible Study. Along with this program = we memorize a Scripture a week (13 weeks inital program) pertinent to inp= roving our health. There are around 20 of us in the program and as we = report each week, we are responsible for repeating the Scripture. I don't know if this will help you or not. It was started by a Baptist = Church group several years ago. It is an extensive program and maybe you= r church would be interested. Good luck in your endeavors. Peace, Charlene =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:14:08 -0800 Subject: Re: Church Memorization Plans?? From: "Drake Mariani" Warren, Only 2 mos ago I made it possible for churches to use Memlok church wide via a reproduction license. $10 beyond the $49 cost for the 700 verses/48 topics allows unlimited reproduction for up to 30 families. Otherwise, they would all have to buy it at $49. It's working out nicely. They simply check off which topics they want and you reproduce it on 67# velum card stock. The lines to cut are visible because the originals are perforated. You need the license with you if you take to Kinkos. You could look at the website for pricing beyond 30. I recommend starting small, thinking big, and going deep. Most "programs" fail because they start big. It's even better if you do it first with your family and say, your leadership team. Then, there are testimonies and changed lives and enthusiasm that is more long-standing. Hope this helps! Drake Mariani memlokpacbell.net Memlok/PC Memlok Bible Memory System 800-373-1947 For 15 Free Scripture memory Tips, reply "Tips" in Subject. http://www.memlok.com (FREE STUFF - dozens of 'em) -----Original Message----- From: casidayInfoAve.Net To: biblememoryMyList.net Date: Wednesday, March 04, 1998 11:40 AM Subject: Church Memorization Plans?? >Hi! > >I have a question for the list: > >Do any of you attend churches that promote Bible memorization >as a part of their ministries to the entire congregation? > >(I am not referring to Sunday School or Vacation Bible School >programs promoting memorization.) > >If yes, could you share some details on the plan? > >If no, maybe you offer a few ideas on how such a plan could >be started for a congregation. > > >The reason for the question: I am thinking about trying to >promote Bible memorization for the congregation I pastor. > >I am aware of several wonderful commercial programs for >individuals, but none for congregations. > >I would appreciate your suggestions. > >Shalom! > >Warren > > > > >PS: Never limit your future by only doing > what you have done in the past! > >-------------------------------------------------- >-- YOU CAN, IF YOU BELIEVE YOU CAN -- >-------------------------------------------------- >-- H. Warren Casiday, casidayinfoave.net -- >-------------------------------------------------- > > =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:19:25 -0800 Subject: Re: Church Memorization Plans?? From: "Drake Mariani" Charlene, I'd love to list that on a "Scripture Memory Resources" page at my website. I'm a ways away from putting the page up, but I'd like the who where info if you'd have it. Thanks! Drake Mariani memlokpacbell.net Memlok/PC Memlok Bible Memory System 800-373-1947 For 15 Free Scripture memory Tips, reply "Tips" in Subject. http://www.memlok.com (FREE STUFF - dozens of 'em) -----Original Message----- From: CDR Charlene Woodard To: biblememoryMyList.net Date: Wednesday, March 04, 1998 12:38 PM Subject: Re: Church Memorization Plans?? Currently, my personal experience in group memorization of Scripture is through the First Place Program. It is a Christ centered health program and primarily for weight loss and Bible Study. Along with this program we memorize a Scripture a week (13 weeks inital program) pertinent to inproving our health. There are around 20 of us in the program and as we report each week, we are responsible for repeating the Scripture. I don't know if this will help you or not. It was started by a Baptist Church group several years ago. It is an extensive program and maybe your church would be interested. Good luck in your endeavors. Peace, Charlene =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 05 Mar 98 12:39:33 PST Subject: Re: Church Memorization Plans?? From: CDR Charlene Woodard Name of program: First Place A Christ-centered Health Program Address: First Place 720 N. Post Oak Suite 330 Houston, TX 77024 Internet Page: http://www.firstplace.org/ Phone: (800) 727-5223 Fax: 713.688.7282 The First Place Program is based at Houston's First Baptist Church, which= originated the program in 1981. The Calvary Baptist Church here is Columbus, KS (very small town) is offe= ring the program. There are about 20 of us fromseveral different churche= s participating. We started the program two weeks ago. The Calvary Bapt= ist Church pastor is Todd MacLean. Hope this helps, if you need more info, please contact me. Peace, Charlene =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 15:06:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Church Memorization Plans?? From: Rochelle E Plank Just a suggestion - I'm not sure if this would be of interest but... what about selecting a key verse/section from the message and encouraging people to memorize that. This way they would be reviewing it often during the week - a way to encourage application of it as well. Also they could possibly have partners in order to be held accountable for the memorization. Just some suggestions! We do not have a plan at our church but I think it is an excellent idea as it is something lacking from many churches but something that many people are interested in! Blessings, Rochelle Plank On Wed, 4 Mar 1998 casidayInfoAve.Net wrote: > Hi! > > I have a question for the list: > > Do any of you attend churches that promote Bible memorization > as a part of their ministries to the entire congregation? > > (I am not referring to Sunday School or Vacation Bible School > programs promoting memorization.) > > If yes, could you share some details on the plan? > > If no, maybe you offer a few ideas on how such a plan could > be started for a congregation. > > > The reason for the question: I am thinking about trying to > promote Bible memorization for the congregation I pastor. > > I am aware of several wonderful commercial programs for > individuals, but none for congregations. > > I would appreciate your suggestions. > > Shalom! > > Warren > > > > > PS: Never limit your future by only doing > what you have done in the past! > > -------------------------------------------------- > -- YOU CAN, IF YOU BELIEVE YOU CAN -- > -------------------------------------------------- > -- H. Warren Casiday, casidayinfoave.net -- > -------------------------------------------------- > > > =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 16:05:10 -0600 Subject: Re: Church Memorization Plans?? From: Tamara Carman I agree that memorization isn't a priority at the churches I've attended over my life and something I am not realizing that I missed out on. I encourage us all to talk about this within our church settings as well as in this forum. Rochelle E Plank wrote: > I'm not sure if this would be of interest but... what > about selecting a key verse/section from the message and encouraging > people to memorize that. Rochelle -I, for one, like this idea. I've never done any Bible memory at all and have just joined this list. I am excited to get started. :-) As for "First Place"... I've know many women involved in it and have loved it. I've looked for it here in my new town but can't find it. And I live close to Houston where it originated. It may seem unreal to some of you but I am in the process of memorizing the 12 disciples. I went to church all my life (and I'm 42 years old) but never memorized them all. That's what got me looking for other memory type things. That shows how much (or little) I learned in church but thank God I have the desire and will to learn His Word today. :-) Have a wonderful week-end everyone. I'm embarrassed by my admission but if it helps someone else start on this journey then it was well worth it. =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 08:25:14 -0500 Subject: You are not alone! From: "cbrennan" Hi, I am new to the list too. My name is Colleen (Mom of three) cbrennanpce.net. I agree with you about memorizing key text, and I can't name the twelve disciples either! In fact, fear kept me from diving into the word for many years. But, a few months ago while I was drinking from a water fountain, the Lord told me he wants me to thirst for his word like I thirst for water. Funny thing is, I couldn't quench my thirst. After that, the focus of church messages was the River of Life. It was neat! I would randomly turn to scripture and land on the same messages. Personally, I think memorizing complete chapters is senseless unless every sentence is worth memorizing. However, remembering the context is vital. I plan to abstract or find a list of key verses from each chapter of the bible. That is more realistic for me. I've already become frustrated at the thought of memorizing the whole bible...I know I can't do it, so I won't pretend I can. Good Luck to you. Don't lose heart! -----Original Message----- From: Tamara Carman To: biblememoryMyList.net Date: Thursday, March 05, 1998 5:10 PM Subject: Re: Church Memorization Plans?? >I agree that memorization isn't a priority at the churches I've attended over >my life and something I am not realizing that I missed out on. I encourage >us all to talk about this within our church settings as well as in this >forum. > >Rochelle E Plank wrote: > >> I'm not sure if this would be of interest but... what >> about selecting a key verse/section from the message and encouraging >> people to memorize that. > >Rochelle -I, for one, like this idea. I've never done any Bible memory at >all and have just joined this list. I am excited to get started. :-) > >As for "First Place"... I've know many women involved in it and have loved >it. I've looked for it here in my new town but can't find it. And I live >close to Houston where it originated. > >It may seem unreal to some of you but I am in the process of memorizing the >12 disciples. I went to church all my life (and I'm 42 years old) but never >memorized them all. That's what got me looking for other memory type >things. That shows how much (or little) I learned in church but thank God I >have the desire and will to learn His Word today. :-) > >Have a wonderful week-end everyone. I'm embarrassed by my admission but if >it helps someone else start on this journey then it was well worth it. =============================================================================== Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 22:17:59 EST Subject: important verses From: DeanMay In a message dated 98-03-08 10:07:24 EST, you write: << If you take Dean's reasoning to its logical conclusion nothing less than memorizing the entire bible would be acceptable. This is not a realistic goal >> Why isn't it a realistic goal? If the Lord tarries, how much longer do you plan on living? With diligent application (of which I admit, I am less than faithful) a person could memorize a lot of scripture in 50, 75 or even a hundred years. Obviously, we pick and chose which passages we are going to be working on. I was trying to emphasize the blessing that will be missed if we do not include the entire passage. I wasn't trying to pick on Colleen but I was responding to the statement that said "memorizing complete chapters is senseless unless every sentence is worth memorizing." From my personal experience, I heartily disagree. Every word of scripture is worth memorizing. One of the traps we fall into is to think that there are "more important" passages (or verses) that we need to be working on. I have found that it doesn't matter much where you are working. God can and will use it to speak to you and transform your mind. The important thing is steady diligence. Consistency in working every day. Making it the most important task of the day. "Now to Him is able to do immeasuably more than all we can ask or imagine, according to His power that is at work within us...." Dean May Terre Haute =============================================================================== Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 09:50:33 EST Subject: Re: You are not alone! From: DeanMay In a message dated 98-03-06 08:33:51 EST, you write: << Personally, I think memorizing complete chapters is senseless unless every sentence is worth memorizing. >> How do you decide which sentence is worth memorizing? When we pick and choose verses we risk indulging our own sinful proclivities. Our tendency is to skip the ones that are painful to us. Personally, I've gained tremendous encouragement and insights from obscure verses that would not ordinarily be considered worth memorizing. Dean May Terre Haute =============================================================================== Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 10:01:47 EST Subject: Re: You are not alone! From: BrooklynAZ Dear Mr. May, I believe you have e-mailed the wrong person as I did not write the quote you've attributed to me. Sincerely, LR Blanchette =============================================================================== Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 10:08:08 -0500 Subject: Re: You are not alone! From: "Michael Jackson" If you take Dean's reasoning to its logical conclusion nothing less than memorizing the entire bible would be acceptable. This is not a realistic goal for most people although I'm sure there are some who can accomplish it. You have to make some decisions about what to study and when, what to memorize and when, what to meditate about and when, etc. I don't think these decisions open the door to "indulging sinful proclivities." The spirt will guide you and lead you and help you to discern, as He does in other decisions we have to make on a day-to-day and moment-by-moment basis. Michael "Not the Gloved One" Jackson jacksonmgghlaw.com DeanMay wrote: > In a message dated 98-03-06 08:33:51 EST, you write: > > << Personally, I think memorizing complete chapters is senseless unless every > sentence is worth memorizing. >> > > How do you decide which sentence is worth memorizing? > > When we pick and choose verses we risk indulging our own sinful proclivities. > Our tendency is to skip the ones that are painful to us. Personally, I've > gained tremendous encouragement and insights from obscure verses that would > not ordinarily be considered worth memorizing. > > Dean May > Terre Haute =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:17:37 -0500 Subject: Discover and Enjoy God's Goodness From: Greetings Friends, In response to the recent discussion, I'd like to repeat a previous message concerning scripture memory because this subject is so vital to the discipleship needs of our Christian life. I sent this message out once before, so forgive me for being redundant, but this is an appropriate time to do it again. Scripture memory is fun for me now. There was a time when it was work and druggery because I didn't understand how to do it. Now, I approach scripture memory with the attitude of discovery and humour and I intend to have fun with it every time I engage myself in this wonderful activity. The idea of memorising scripture and not having fun with it, to me, is less than the best, sort of like being out of church and living as a street person. And I believe God would have us enjoy His word immensely, at all times. I seem to have the most fun when I come across a chapter or verse(s) that has a special meaning to me at that particular moment in my life. For instance, three weeks ago I was leading a home group and we were in Luke 4:1-13 discussing the temptations that Jesus was put to at the start of His public ministry. We noticed from Jesus example, that He used memorized parts of scripture to defeat satan. That discussion lead us to consider areas of our lives that were particularly sensitive to temptation. And we all agreed to locate a verse or several verses that spoke to temptation in our own individual life. This activity became meaningful to me rather quickly. I was attracted to Galatians 5:16,17,18, 22 and 25. There is no rule that says you have to memorize the Word contiguously, i.e. one after the other. The selected verses happen to be constituent elements enhanced by harmonious agreement, in other words they are congruous and they must be in context. I tried to memorize these verses by using rote memory techniques for two weeks, but I could not cement the ideas or words into my thinking patterns. Then I applied the cartooning technique by physically drawing a personal cartoon of the individual verses, sentence by sentence, one after the other, until I had several small cartoons on paper that described all the ideas in those five verses. I placed the written verses with the hand-drawn cartoons on 3X5 index cards into a file system to be used in a sequence of rotation to refresh my memory from time to time. And within 1 hour, maybe less, I could recite all five verses, backwards and forwards, or inside out. Now, all the cartoons fit together like a movie. And when I recollect any one cartoon, I can recollect all the other cartoons in order, or out of order, any way I want, for the need of the moment. You could ask me to name any of the five verses, and I could tell what came before and after each verse. I can perform this feat with the 66 books of the bible as well. It's amazing. I become so exhilarated by having this control and ability that at times, it makes me want to shout out loud how good it makes me feel. Like the song says "Shout to the Lord with a voice of triumph. Shout to the Lord with a voice of Joy. Hosanna. Hosanna. Shout to the Lord with a voice of Joy. Praise Him. Praise Him. Shout to the Lord with a voice of Praise". As a result of memorising these verses I am now supercharged and highly encouraged to find out all about what the Holy Spirit desires for me, according to Gal 5:17. I can't wait to know it all and be acting on that knowledge. And according to Gal 5:25, all the areas of my life will be affected, i.e. social/emotional, physical, intellectual and spiritual, if I follow the Holy Spirit's leading. It makes me feel like a powerful locomotive, working effectively and efficiently with little effort. (This reminds me of the little engine that could.) I get the feeling of anticipation like it's Christmas, like everyday is a gift waiting to be unwrapped. My ability to memorise scripture successfully and recite or use it appropriately is perhaps one of the two greatest assets available to me, because God's word coming out of my mouth arouses eagerness in me and other Spirit lead Christians to please God and to fulfil His will in our lives. The other asset I value highly is my relationships with my family, my friends, my church community and others, such as yourselves. And the only thing that will get out of this earthly life is people and God's word. I think from my description that you can tell that this little experience has changed my life substantially. So, I am certain that the motivation which underpins a person's desire and need for scripture memory can empower the individual to be more successful with this endeavor. I am certain God is interested in changed hearts. It took 5 verses to change my heart forever. Now the Holy Spirit is in control of my life, which is just where God knows it is the best place for me and you to be. So please Christians, have fun with God's word. Integrate it. Let it motivate you, lift you, and empower you and let it do what it was intended to do in your life and in your ministry. And remember this thought from Dale Carnegie, author of "How to Win Friends and Influence People", "Anyone who takes the time to disagree with you is interested in the same things you are." It's a very good book about getting along with people. Read it if you get the chance. Now, let's get on with the day. Gratefully Yours in Christ, Noel Rini nriniyahoo.com =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 09:42:37 -0500 Subject: Re: important verses From: "Michael Jackson" Dean: I think you are missing something here. The Lord leads people in different ways and as parts of His body he uses us in different ways. If you feel that he is leading you to memorize the entire bible then you should respond to that leading. Just be sure you are not responding to something originating in your own ego (or to put it another way, originating in the flesh). I've never met anyone who claims to have memorized the entire bible. It seems to me that to do so would be leave little time to respond to other tasks that the Lord may have for you to do, and establishing that as a goal may be setting yourself up to fail. One thing we should always be careful of in our walk with the Lord is to maintain a healthy balance. Speaking for myself, some of the most egregious errors I have made in my walk with the Lord (And there have been many, but the Lord has always steered me back in the right direction!) have occured when I got fixated on one aspect of the Christian life and upset the balance. Memorizing scripture is not an end in itself; it is one element -- albeit an important one -- in the life of a Christion. Michael "Not the Gloved One" Jackson jacksonmgghlaw.com DeanMay wrote: > In a message dated 98-03-08 10:07:24 EST, you write: > > << If you take Dean's reasoning to its logical conclusion nothing less than > memorizing the entire bible would be acceptable. This is not a realistic > goal >> > > Why isn't it a realistic goal? If the Lord tarries, how much longer do you > plan on living? > > With diligent application (of which I admit, I am less than faithful) a person > could memorize a lot of scripture in 50, 75 or even a hundred years. > > Obviously, we pick and chose which passages we are going to be working on. I > was trying to emphasize the blessing that will be missed if we do not include > the entire passage. > > I wasn't trying to pick on Colleen but I was responding to the statement that > said "memorizing complete chapters is senseless unless every sentence is worth > memorizing." From my personal experience, I heartily disagree. > > Every word of scripture is worth memorizing. > > One of the traps we fall into is to think that there are "more important" > passages (or verses) that we need to be working on. I have found that it > doesn't matter much where you are working. God can and will use it to speak to > you and transform your mind. > > The important thing is steady diligence. Consistency in working every day. > Making it the most important task of the day. > > "Now to Him is able to do immeasuably more than all we can ask or imagine, > according to His power that is at work within us...." > > Dean May > Terre Haute =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:20:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: important verses From: Deborah L Gerhardt Hi, I have been reading this exchange back and forth about how much and in what detail is "worth memorizing." I think the key is to take it one step at a time, if looking at the total amount to memorize seems overwhelming. For some, it's not overwhelming, but an exciting challenge. I agree too that picking and choosing what is worth memorizing is potentially deciding what parts of what God has considered important to communicate to us is important committing to memory. debby Deborah L. Gerhardt Assistant Director Academic Advisory Center College of Humanities & Social Sciences Carnegie Mellon University Baker Hall 161 Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890 [412] 268-1076 (office phone/voice mail) [412] 268-1293 (fax #) =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:54:24 -0600 Subject: Books of Bible From: Tamara Carman Good morning everyone, I may have asked this before but I don't recall any answers. :-) Does anyone have any helpful technique to learn the books of the Bible? I would appreciate any help. I am so new to this that I have listened with interest the conversation about "what to memorize" and I can see both cases. For now, I will memorized things that I feel God is speaking to me about and who knows later He may lead me to more ambitious memorization. Thank you, Tamara Carman =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 20:07:03 EST Subject: Discover and Enjoy God's Goodness From:ew C Smith) I agree with Noel: memorizing Scripture should have an element of fun in it. Rather than debate whether one should memorized entire chapters continuously, or memorize only selected verses, let's rejoice that we're memorizing Scripture in some form. Remember, sadly, that most Christians (in the U.S., at least) have little or no Scripture committed to memory, so memorziation in any form is a big victory! ********* This message was sent to you by A.C. Smith http://www.geocities.com/athens/acropolis/5680 a.c.smithjuno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:53:25 EST Subject: Re: Books of Bible From: AskJudySS good morning, tamara. just read your post. you wrote re what to memorize -- "For now, I will memorized things that I feel God is speaking to me about ..." i have found that is what works for me. the thing i think i should memorize may not be what is needed in my growth at that point! the Lord lets me memorize it, but it doesn't stick, and while it has some profit, it is really sidetracking me from His will. i love to memorize, and can pick up large quantities fairly easily (lots of practice). but that is not the purpose, is it! but our Father knows the way we should go, and He points the way for us. He is pleased to multiply the fruit of our effort to His glory as we purpose to set our mind on heavenly things, as you are doing! as to the books of the Bible... i seem to be in a minority of one as to methods. my post on the minor prophets was countered with a lot of more sophisticated methods. if just repeating the books of the Bible, and repeating, repeating, repeating at the drop of a hat... doing dishes, driving the car, waiting in line, etc., ... doesn't work, then these other methods must work some other way. for me, memorization comes with frequent repetition. that works for the short-term memory, which is the stage of putting the words in your mind so that you don't need to see them in print to know what they are. the goal of short-term memorization is long-term -- to weave the words of God into your soul, to meditate on them, live them, draw deeper meaning from them, transform your thinking from earthly to heavenly, from human thought to God's thoughts. quantity is not what counts. it is the seeking the mind of Christ that counts! God bless you! your sister in Christ, judy m =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 16:39:48 EST Subject: Re: Books of Bible From: DeanMay In a message dated 98-03-10 13:55:10 EST, you write: << i seem to be in a minority of one as to methods. my post on the minor prophets was countered with a lot of more sophisticated methods. if just repeating the books of the Bible, and repeating, repeating, repeating at the drop of a hat... doing dishes, driving the car, waiting in line, etc., ... doesn't work, then these other methods must work some other way. for me, memorization comes with frequent repetition. >> Not a minority of one. :-) I appreciated your insight on the minor prophet scheme. You are right on track about the need to get it from short term memory into long term storage. Frequent repitition. What works best for me is to speak it, not just think it. When you speak it, you are using the most powerful area of your brain, the speech control area. You are also using thoughts to recall, the speech area to talk, and the auditory area to process what you are hearing. Three areas of the brain are working together, then, on the project: thoughts, speech, auditory. My brain needs the exercise. Peace to the brothers and love with faith from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Dean May Terre Haute, IN =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 18:04:40 EST Subject: Re: Books of Bible From: AskJudySS thanks, dean, for words of encouragement! you also said, <> yes, i am often amazed at how many people try to memorize without saying the thing to be memorized out loud. i don't know how anyone can memorize just "in their head." i'm glad to have your description of why it is so helpful to use speech! thanx! =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:11:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Tapes really help! From: Deborah L Gerhardt Yes - a different kind of tape really helps me. They are the Scripture Memory singing tapes - Scripture verbatim. You can't memorize large passages with this (they are a few verses per song), but I remember these scriptures always with singing - it is THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY FOR ME to memorize - it sticks because I love to sing. These tapes are great because they are put to "adult contemporary" music - and well done I might add - by "unknown" artists - at least to me. Anyway, just another way to add to memorizing - I play them in my car to and from work and waiting on highways to other places - it's a great way to redeem the time waiting in the car going places. debby Deborah L. Gerhardt Assistant Director Academic Advisory Center College of Humanities & Social Sciences Carnegie Mellon University Baker Hall 161 Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890 [412] 268-1076 (office phone/voice mail) [412] 268-1293 (fax #) =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:50:41 -0500 Subject: Re: Tapes really help! From: "Dudley A Crowe" hello, I really haven't announced myself on this page yet, my name is dudley crowe, I am 26 years old, married, and about to move to Orlando Florida to attend Reformed Theological seminary. I wanted to be on this list because I believe that memorizing scripture is an important part of our "doing and being" Christians. It helps me when that time comes when God says show me your Faith, and the times when God calls me to be ready in and out of season... I hope that i can further encourage any and all on the list and not be a hindrance to anyone... Dudley and Jackie Crowe Joshua 5: 13 - 14 ---------- > From: Deborah L Gerhardt > To: biblememoryMyList.net > Subject: Re: Tapes really help! > Date: Wednesday, March 11, 1998 9:11 AM > > Yes - a different kind of tape really helps me. They are the Scripture > Memory singing tapes - Scripture verbatim. You can't memorize large > passages with this (they are a few verses per song), but I remember > these scriptures always with singing - it is THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY FOR > ME to memorize - it sticks because I love to sing. > > These tapes are great because they are put to "adult contemporary" music > - and well done I might add - by "unknown" artists - at least to me. > > Anyway, just another way to add to memorizing - I play them in my car to > and from work and waiting on highways to other places - it's a great way > to redeem the time waiting in the car going places. > > debby > > > Deborah L. Gerhardt > Assistant Director > Academic Advisory Center > College of Humanities & Social Sciences > Carnegie Mellon University > Baker Hall 161 > Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890 > [412] 268-1076 (office phone/voice mail) > [412] 268-1293 (fax #) =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 08:46:01 -0500 Subject: Tapes really help! From: "cbrennan" I always hated doing laundry until..... I just found an old set of tapes on the New Testament that were a gift years ago. I finally played the tapes and discovered they are a great tool for anyone who has lots of house work! I caught up on all my work and made use of valuable time to reflect on the Word. This helped to reinforce my reading. (Elementary my dear Watson! I know, but sometimes the obvious isn't so obvious!) -----Original Message----- From: AskJudySS To: biblememoryMyList.net Date: Wednesday, March 11, 1998 4:24 AM Subject: Re: Books of Bible >thanks, dean, for words of encouragement! you also said, <for me is to speak it, not just think it. When you speak it, you are using the >most powerful area of your brain, the speech control area. >> yes, i am often >amazed at how many people try to memorize without saying the thing to be >memorized out loud. i don't know how anyone can memorize just "in their >head." i'm glad to have your description of why it is so helpful to use >speech! thanx! =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:02:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: (no subject) From: Deborah L Gerhardt Randy, sure - they are in my car and at home (I'm at work right now) - I'll send an e-mail tomorrow about them - I found them at my local Christian Bookstore - so I don't think they are hard to get. I agree - it seems like music makes remembering so much easier - that is for those who like to sing. Have a "growing" in the Lord day, debby Deborah L. Gerhardt Assistant Director Academic Advisory Center College of Humanities & Social Sciences Carnegie Mellon University Baker Hall 161 Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890 [412] 268-1076 (office phone/voice mail) [412] 268-1293 (fax #) =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 07:41:54 +0100 Subject: Re: Books of Bible From: antonio tirinnanzi In 18.04 10/03/98 EST, AskJudySS ha scritto: >thanks, dean, for words of encouragement! you also said, <for me is to speak it, not just think it. When you speak it, you are using the >most powerful area of your brain, the speech control area. >> yes, i am often >amazed at how many people try to memorize without saying the thing to be >memorized out loud. i don't know how anyone can memorize just "in their >head." i'm glad to have your description of why it is so helpful to use >speech! thanx! > > HELLO Could you help me and indicate the string I have to write in order to cancel receiving messages? I am not interested in memorizing, but only in meditation, praying and discussing Bible from an historical and theological point of view. I am submerged with "memorizing" messages wich do ot interest me at all. I thank you very much. God bless you. antonio - gedy0031gedy.it antonio tirinnanzi - gedy0031gedy.it =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 11:18:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Books of Bible From: Rochelle E Plank Hi! I thought I would share on how I learned the books of the BIble... It's relatively a simple approach: What I did was separate the books (in their order) but into small subgroups (subgroups being books that are beside others with similarities or maybe no similarities but just put in a smaller group) and then learn one subgroup at a time (once again, in order!). Once I had one group down, I woul dmove on to the next, memorize that one, and then when that one was down, I would go back to the first subgroup and go through those books in addition to the next subgroup. If I had all of those down, I would proceed to the next group otherwise, focus once again on any mistakes. Also, in the NT, there are some things that might help, for example, all of hte -ANS are together (I believe!): Romans - 2 Thessalonians. Then all of the T's are together (1 Thessalonians - Titus (??)), and there are little patterns like that that might help. Hope this may be of help! God Bless, Rochelle Plank On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, AskJudySS wrote: > good morning, tamara. just read your post. you wrote re what to memorize -- > "For now, I will memorized things that I feel God is speaking to me about ..." > > i have found that is what works for me. the thing i think i should memorize > may not be what is needed in my growth at that point! the Lord lets me > memorize it, but it doesn't stick, and while it has some profit, it is really > sidetracking me from His will. i love to memorize, and can pick up large > quantities fairly easily (lots of practice). but that is not the purpose, is > it! but our Father knows the way we should go, and He points the way for us. > He is pleased to multiply the fruit of our effort to His glory as we purpose > to set our mind on heavenly things, as you are doing! > > as to the books of the Bible... i seem to be in a minority of one as to > methods. my post on the minor prophets was countered with a lot of more > sophisticated methods. if just repeating the books of the Bible, and > repeating, repeating, repeating at the drop of a hat... doing dishes, driving > the car, waiting in line, etc., ... doesn't work, then these other methods > must work some other way. for me, memorization comes with frequent > repetition. > > that works for the short-term memory, which is the stage of putting the words > in your mind so that you don't need to see them in print to know what they > are. the goal of short-term memorization is long-term -- to weave the words > of God into your soul, to meditate on them, live them, draw deeper meaning > from them, transform your thinking from earthly to heavenly, from human > thought to God's thoughts. quantity is not what counts. it is the seeking > the mind of Christ that counts! > > God bless you! > your sister in Christ, > judy m > =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:04:30 -0600 Subject: Re: Books of Bible From: Tamara Carman Thanks Rochelle for the information. I think I'll pass it on to my daughter. You wouldn't believe... someone else wrote to me with two silly sentences that helped him learn the new testament and it helped me so much I had them down... frontwards and backwards that very day.... now I am working to commit them to my long term memory and then I will start on the old testament. My daughter didn't grasp the idea and said it would make it even harder for her... and I think you're idea will be great for her. So thanks again for sharing. :-) Love, in Christ, Tamara =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:12:13 EST Subject: Re: Books of Bible From: DeanMay In a message dated 98-03-13 11:12:26 EST, you write: << Then all of the T's are together (1 Thessalonians - Titus (??)) >> Go eat popcorn, Charlie. Galations, Ephesians, Philipians, Colosians. Then the all the T's. The T's are in alphabetical order. That has always helped me keep them straight. Dean May Terre Haute, IN Go Eat Popcorn, Charlie tip was taught to me years ago by Marcia Davey in Lafayette, IN whose husband Tom is also on this list but is a lurker. Greetings, Tom! =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 11:25:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Tapes really help! From: Rochelle E Plank Going along with this idea - something else that might be worth a try... The videos of Matthew and Acts that have come out are word for word of the NIV. This might actually help in memorizing as watching soemthing relating to the verses might help. I haven't tried this, the thought just occurred to me! Blessings, Rochelle Plank On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Deborah L Gerhardt wrote: > Yes - a different kind of tape really helps me. They are the Scripture > Memory singing tapes - Scripture verbatim. You can't memorize large > passages with this (they are a few verses per song), but I remember > these scriptures always with singing - it is THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY FOR > ME to memorize - it sticks because I love to sing. > > These tapes are great because they are put to "adult contemporary" music > - and well done I might add - by "unknown" artists - at least to me. > > Anyway, just another way to add to memorizing - I play them in my car to > and from work and waiting on highways to other places - it's a great way > to redeem the time waiting in the car going places. > > debby > > > Deborah L. Gerhardt > Assistant Director > Academic Advisory Center > College of Humanities & Social Sciences > Carnegie Mellon University > Baker Hall 161 > Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890 > [412] 268-1076 (office phone/voice mail) > [412] 268-1293 (fax #) > =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:09:58 -0600 Subject: Re: Tapes really help! From: Tamara Carman I really like the idea of learning verses through song because I love to sing and I agree that music also seems to stick in my brain. :-) My question is when you learn verses this way... do you know what book, chapter and verse you are learning? One of the reason's I decided it was important for me to start memorizing is so I could recite a verse, but also be able to point a person to that verse if they had any questions or wanted to read it for themselves. It seems there are many times that I can paraphrase something I've read in the Bible or even recite it... but I can't tell the person where to find the verse. I've really enjoyed this loop in the short time I've been on it. I've gotten so many good ideas. One person wrote to me on their method of learning the books of the Bible and I had them down that very day... front wards and backwards. God Bless, Tamara =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 14:35:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Tapes really help! From: Deborah L Gerhardt Tamara, Yes - before or after the song, the artist says the book, chapter and verse - it kind of sticks because you hear it while the intro is being played or at the end as the music fades. I forgot the bring the info on the company and names of the tapes to work - I'll try and remember on Monday. debby Deborah L. Gerhardt Assistant Director Academic Advisory Center College of Humanities & Social Sciences Carnegie Mellon University Baker Hall 161 Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890 [412] 268-1076 (office phone/voice mail) [412] 268-1293 (fax #) =============================================================================== Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 21:30:57 -0500 Subject: List archives now on line From: "Stephen Simpson" Greetings List Members, I have just set up a set of links to the biblememory list archives for January and February. These may be found at http://home.istar.ca/~ssimpson/archives.shtml Thank you Stephen Simpson =============================================================================== Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 19:27:06 -0500 Subject: Introduction From:d Chesser) Greetings! I am a Seminary student at New orleans Baptist Theological Seminary. I attend the extension campus in Orlando, FL. I am a liscened Minister with the Southen Bap. Church Assoc.. My passion is Biblical Theological studies, and I also love Apologetics. I can remeber Scripture okay, it is just that I forget the refrence chapter and verse a lot. I am always looking for a way to learn more about God's Holy Word. I am Reformed in my personal perspective. I have a son Joshua, 7 months old, and my wife Jennifer. I am happy to be on your list and invite you to email me , as I am always eager to serve you. BTW, My website( hyperlink at bottom) has numerous Bible study sites that will help any student of the Scriptures. God Bless you all! Solo Scriptura, C. LLoyd Chesser Micah 6:8 Ministry Website: http://homepage.usr.com/s/standardm3 =============================================================================== Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:11:26 EST Subject: Re: Bible Bowl From: AskJudySS liked your post, robby! i've never heard of bible bowl. you said memory text is luke & acts 1-12... you mean all 24 chapters of luke? how does it work? who's in your group? sounds really neat. how far along are you? i know luke will greatly enrich your life! your sis in Christ, judy mahoney =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 00:07:23 CST Subject: Introduction From:rt B Stewart) Hi, my name is Robby Stewart and I am a senior in high school. Currently I am involved in Bible Bowl, which is a quick recall-type game using a certain part of the Bible. This year's text is Luke and Acts 1-12. In order to succeed in Bible Bowl, you must memorize the text. I have found that memorizing Scripture is even more useful to my life than to Bible Bowl. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:21:37 CST Subject: Re: Bible Bowl From:rt B Stewart) Judy, we have monthly competitions where teams of four compete against each other. The toss-up questions consists of a lead that will contain a key word or phrase, usually a once or twice used word. If you recognize the key word you buzz in and say the verse(s) that word appears in. Then if you get the toss-up right, you get a bonus that is worth anywhere from 20 to 40 points. There are over 200 teams nation-wide. Last year my team finished in the top 64. My church Southeast Christian in Louisville, is one of the largest, we have seven teams. The text is broken up into six parts. And each month, beginning in September, we meet over that certain part. Right now we are covering the entire text, all 24 chapter of Luke and the first 12 chapter of Acts. As far as memorizing it, I'm in Luke 4. (mainly because I slacked off the first part of the year) But I know the text pretty well, just not enough to quote it. In Christ Robby _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:40:09 EST Subject: Re: Bible Bowl From: AskJudySS thanx for the info, robby! years ago i felt the Lord prompting me to memorize Luke, and i resisted, but He persisted.. i relented partially. said, "i'm not going to memorize it, but i'll write out the first letter of each word (put on graph paper in a little notebook) and learn it well enough to read from it." what a surprise i had when i found myself quoting various different verses from Luke as they applied to my experience at the time. the Lord had "memorized" it into my heart in spite of myself!!! it took about 4 passes of reading the initials & referring to Bible before i could read straight from the initials. it's not my preferred method, but at times it gets me out of a slump. maybe because it's a challenge, or like a word game... (& i like games)... there must be something about the method that enables subtle memorizing. there's a lot about learning we do not know! but most of all, when the Lord gives us a job to do, He enables us. God bless you! your sis in Christ, judy =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:34:25 -0500 Subject: RE: Books of Bible From: "McGuire, Morris E" Those type helps are really good. One that I heard was General Electric Power Company for Gal ; Eph ; Phil ; Col > -----Original Message----- > From: DeanMay [SMTP:DeanMayaol.com] > Sent: Friday, March 13, 1998 3:12 PM > To: biblememoryMyList.net > Subject: Re: Books of Bible > > In a message dated 98-03-13 11:12:26 EST, you write: > > << Then all of the T's are together (1 Thessalonians - > Titus (??)) >> > > Go eat popcorn, Charlie. Galations, Ephesians, Philipians, Colosians. Then > the > all the T's. > The T's are in alphabetical order. That has always helped me keep them > straight. > > Dean May > Terre Haute, IN > > Go Eat Popcorn, Charlie tip was taught to me years ago by Marcia Davey in > Lafayette, IN whose husband Tom is also on this list but is a lurker. > Greetings, Tom! =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 21:43:59 -0500 Subject: Greetings and a quote From: "David Simmons" Greetings! I'm new to the list so here's a quick intro: I'm a 24yr old Math Education major at UGA in Athens, GA (I graduate this spring!). I've been saved for about two years, and have recently begun to memorize Scripture in the NKJV. Feel free to drop me a note. Here's a little something I ran across this morning: Early in my ministry the teaching of Dawson Trotman influenced me to memorize Scripture. He kept stressing, "I have hidden your word in my heart that I might not sin against you" (Psalm 119:11). We have a sword to ward off the temptations of Satan. Jesus, in his hour of temptation, confronted Satan with "It is written" (Luke 4:8). "Therefore put on the full armor of God so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground. . . .Take. . . the sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God" (Ephesians 6:13,17). John in the Revelation of Jesus Christ tells us, "They overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony" (12:11). That sword if the Word, the Word of God, and it must be hidden in our hearts. That's why Scripture memorization is so important, It ought to be done when your young, as much as possible, because as you get older it's harder to memorize. I find it much more difficult to memorize a Scripture now and retain it than I did twenty-five to thirty years ago. Can you guess who wrote the above? None other than the Protestant Pope himself, Dr. Billy Graham. Good stuff. =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 20:56:35 EST Subject: Books of Bible From:ew C Smith) The vowels, in order, are AEIOU... gAlatians, Ephesians, phIllipians, cOlossians contain the vowels in order... the first vowel in each of those book names is in order ********* This message was sent to you by A.C. Smith http://www.geocities.com/athens/acropolis/5680 a.c.smithjuno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 05:19:00 EST Subject: Bible Bowl From:ew C Smith) About twenty years ago, when I was a teenager, I had the opportunity to participate in a team game based on Bible memory. I don't know if it was "Bible Bowl" or a different game, but the idea was the same. I chose not to participate; I've been sorry ever since that I didn't do it. It would have been a great opportunity, and I was foolish to say "no"! So now I'm memorizing the Scripture I should have learned 20 years ago! ********* This message was sent to you by A.C. Smith http://www.geocities.com/athens/acropolis/5680 a.c.smithjuno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:30:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Bible Bowl From: At 03:40 PM 3/16/98 -0500, you wrote: >thanx for the info, robby! years ago i felt the Lord prompting me to memorize >Luke, and i resisted, but He persisted.. i relented partially. said, "i'm >not going to memorize it, but i'll write out the first letter of each word >(put on graph paper in a little notebook) and learn it well enough to read >from it." what a surprise i had when i found myself quoting various different >verses from Luke as they applied to my experience at the time. the Lord had >"memorized" it into my heart in spite of myself!!! it took about 4 passes of >reading the initials & referring to Bible before i could read straight from >the initials. > Hi 'sis in Christ, judy!' Could you show a short example of your memorization method of Luke. I am not real clear what you are talking about. I think I understand, but would appreciate an example. Thanks! and Shalom! Warren PS: Never limit your future by only doing what you have done in the past! -------------------------------------------------- -- YOU CAN, IF YOU BELIEVE YOU CAN -- -------------------------------------------------- -- H. Warren Casiday, casidayinfoave.net -- -------------------------------------------------- =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 05:55:26 -0500 Subject: biblememory is easy From: Eckhart Diestel hello everybody, just allow me to share my impression anbout bible memorization: it is easy ! what is the secret ? just do it. the bible was written to be known by heart. therefore the verses are not constructed in a complicated or difficult manner. all it takes, and that is the more dificult part, is constant repetition - constant ! we have founded a group that learns the gospel of matthew by heart, and, surprisingly, it works; from the very beginning we know that we need to be dedicated to this task - and that is the key; read stepen simpson before you start to study, very good advice. if you want to know more about our experience and set-up, feel free to email. our initiative is called ' unfolding grace ' in Him we live eckhart diestel =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 20:27:38 -0600 Subject: How much? From: Tamara Carman Hi everyone, I'm very new to bible memory and am putting the verses on business cards (small writing) and carrying them with me. I recite them as often when ever I think about it through out the day. What I've started with is not really bible verses at all. I came to realize a few weeks ago that I didn't even know who the 12 disciples were... and that really bothered me. I knew (and know) so little that I assumed Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were at least part of them... and of course Paul. Don't ask me how I came to this conclusion... just a lack of knowledge and understanding of who these people were. Anyways, that's what lead me to the bible memory page because I realized that it was something I desired to do... also during the same time I realized I didn't know the disciples God sent me this verse: Romans 1:28 (NIV) "Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind to do what ought not be done." Sorry I have rambled on so. I still haven't gotten to why I'm writing.... how many verses do you all study at one time? I have 6 cards I'm studying right now... That's been 2 a week. Each week I've added 2 items (whether it be bible verses, the disciples, or the books of the bible). I hope my question makes sense. Thanks. I've really enjoyed your comments and experiences. Tamara Carman =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:37:07 -0500 Subject: Re: biblememory is easy From: "Dudley A Crowe" I would like to know more about this "unfolding grace." I am currently in the process of memorizing the Romans 5. My process is as simple as writing them on an index card and carrying it around with me all the time, and whenever I have a free second I read it, over and over. Then when I have a few minutes free, I write the verses out without looking at my card. Then I break the scripture apart into all its parts. Then I write what the verse means to me. I found that someone else had talked about "studying" the scripture that you are memorizing and it helps out a lot, it is certainly helping me. If you have any tips on how to memorize entire books of the Bible please tell. thanks Dudley and Jackie Crowe Joshua 5: 13 - 15 ---------- > From: Eckhart Diestel > To: biblememoryMyList.net > Subject: biblememory is easy > Date: Friday, March 20, 1998 5:55 AM > > > > hello everybody, > > just allow me to share my impression anbout bible memorization: > it is easy ! > what is the secret ? just do it. the bible was written to be known by heart. therefore the verses are not constructed in a complicated or difficult manner. > > all it takes, and that is the more dificult part, is constant repetition - constant ! > > we have founded a group that learns the gospel of matthew by heart, > and, surprisingly, it works; from the very beginning we know that we need to be dedicated to this task - and that is the key; read stepen simpson before you start to study, very good advice. > > if you want to know more about our experience and set-up, feel free > to email. our initiative is called ' unfolding grace ' > > in Him we live > eckhart diestel > > =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 17:17:41 EST Subject: Re: biblememory is easy From: DeanMay In a message dated 98-03-20 08:32:11 EST, you write: << My process is as simple as writing them on an index card and carrying it around with me all the time, and whenever I have a free second I read it, over and over. >> Dudley, This nearly identical to the process that I use. It's not glamourus , but it works. It's the Deut 6 principle: when you sit at home and when you walk along the road; when you lie down and when you get up. Tie them as symbals on your hands and bind them on your foreheads. Write them on the doorframes of your houses and on your gates. This makes the memorization and recitation a day long process that we weave the rest of our lives around. Keep it up and you'll be amazed at what you'll be able to accomplish. Dean May Terre Haute, IN =============================================================================== Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:14:06 EST Subject: Re: biblememory is easy From:ew C Smith) Eckhart is correct: much of the Bible was intended for memorization. I have found that some different translations are easier for me to memorize than others. If you have trouble memorizing, try a different translation. ********* This message was sent to you by A.C. Smith http://www.geocities.com/athens/acropolis/5680 a.c.smithjuno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] =============================================================================== Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 11:14:08 -0500 Subject: Re: How much? From: "Dudley A Crowe" Tamara, One thing that a friend of mine and myself experienced a little while back while trying to memorize 2 verses a week, was recall a month after studying them. Our minds were so in tune with the scriptures that we were currently doing that in the time that we wanted to recall them, we could remember bits and pieces of them, but not the entire thing. I know try and memorize one per week, but I am also a huge advocate for reading the Bible every day and becoming familiar with the scripture instead of just intellectualizing it. When you get out in the world or just in your Sunday school class, or in front of the youth group giving a lesson, you want to give the scripture in confidence and not have to search for the words. When you are witnessing to people, it always helps to show forth confidence in this area. Just last night it happened, I am currently working at a Chilis in Tucker, Ga. and I was carrying a card with me trying to memorize Romans 5:1 in the process of memorizing the whole book(whhhh!!!) and as I was reading it out loud, a co-worker came up and asked what I was doing and I said "ok God if you want me to witness to this girl" and I started talking about what I believed and why I was memorizing the scripture. She was a little surprised at anyone trying to memorize something for no reason, but I know that God will use it for His Glory. Just some thoughts, as you said, enough of my rambling, hope this helps, dudley Joshua 1: 9 ---------- > From: Tamara Carman > To: biblememoryMyList.net > Subject: How much? > Date: Friday, March 20, 1998 9:27 PM > > Hi everyone, > > I'm very new to bible memory and am putting the verses on business cards > (small writing) and carrying them with me. I recite them as often when > ever I think about it through out the day. What I've started with is > not really bible verses at all. I came to realize a few weeks ago that > I didn't even know who the 12 disciples were... and that really bothered > me. I knew (and know) so little that I assumed Matthew, Mark, > Luke and John were at least part of them... and of course Paul. Don't > ask me how I came to this conclusion... just a lack of knowledge and > understanding of who these people were. Anyways, that's what lead me > to the bible memory page because I realized that it was something I > desired to do... also during the same time I realized I didn't know the > disciples God sent me this verse: > > Romans 1:28 (NIV) > "Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the > knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind to do what ought > not be done." > > Sorry I have rambled on so. I still haven't gotten to why I'm > writing.... how many verses do you all study at one time? I have 6 > cards I'm studying right now... That's been 2 a week. Each week I've > added 2 items (whether it be bible verses, the disciples, or the books > of the bible). I hope my question makes sense. Thanks. I've really > enjoyed your comments and experiences. > > Tamara Carman =============================================================================== Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 15:05:49 EST Subject: Re: How much? From: DeanMay In a message dated 98-03-20 21:31:10 EST, you write: << how many verses do you all study at one time? >> Tamara, I like to work on a passage instead of verses here and there. I normally work on just one, sometimes 2, verses a day to memorize, but at least once during the day, I read ahead (aloud, very important) 4 or 5 verses. This gives me a 3 to 4 day exposure to the verse before I start working on it. I find that repetition over several days, even though I am not actively working on memorizing, makes the actual memory work much easier. One a day doesn't sound like much, but slow and steady wins the race. Dean May Terre Haute, IN =============================================================================== Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 22:24:23 EST Subject: Re: Scripture Memorization From: ENCOURGE Hi, I was just visiting your page and thought I would let you know about my ABC way of memorizing a verse a week. My daughter and I started doing this last year and it worked well for us, so I added it to my web page a few months ago. I choose verses according to the alphabet ie: A : all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23. I find I can recall a verse easier if I relate it to a letter of the alphabet...it gets my mind in gear to remember I guess ! I thought if it worked for me and my daughter that it might work for others, so I made a web page and invited others to join me. I e-mail one verse out each week to those requesting it. I also have the verses on the page so people can easily refer back to them. I have had some response but would like a better one. As you said, most people are not really interested in memorizing scripture. But, I will keep it there and keep trying--it helps me and the few who have joined and that is important in itself. I pray for those who do join and try to encourage them weekly as I am sure Satan doesn't want us to memorize the Word. I also pray for the page that God will bring people to it. His Word is powerful and can accomplish much. Just thought I would share what I am doing.....enjoyed visiting your site. If you would like to visit my site and see the Scripture Memorization page you can just click here and go> SMILE ! GOD LOVES YOU ! Blessings in Him, encourgeaol.com =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 04:39:28 -0500 Subject: biblememory is easy From: Eckhart Diestel hi everybody first read stephen simpsons homepage biblememory, it helps tremendously to get started and organized. i download KJV verses, have them printed out in small print, cut the printout to a 2x3 size , laminate that sheet with a machine that i bought at Staples , costs 50 US dollar; recently i bought a plastic lens ( x 3.5 ) to help me read the small print - thus i get a lot of text on one sheet. the laminated card sits in my pocket, you can get an entire chapter on one card easily. according to stephen simpson you need to memorize a verse at least a 100 times study the verse profoundly and well the first time you see it, only then go to the next vers. define what you want to study before you start. if you want to learn matthew by heart, contact us , we are ' unfolding grace ', a laygroup of 4 people at this point. we will be happy to help and accompany anybody who wants to be accountable to christian brothers while memorizing. have a good and blessed day In Him we live Eckhart =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:45:42 EST Subject: first letter memorizing From: AskJudySS hi warren! sorry to take so long in responding to your question. you asked about your question was <> not sure how well i can explain (i usually show people the handwritten version...) anyway, i'll try! okay?... the first letter of each word is written down, with maximum of 7 initials per line. use BLOCK CAPS as a standard... for example, for John 2:1, "And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there." without the variations i'll share below, this verse would be written as follows: CHAPTER 2 1 A T T D T W A M I C O G; A T M O J W T. now, i vary the letters so they are not so confusing. make lower-case t always stand for the word "the," lower case a for "a" and "an," lower case o for "of," and any other common words you feel you can be helped by. use a number where a number is referred to (third becomes 3), and symbols where they apply (& for and). for proper names i use cursive (Cana = C). (since i don't know how much formatting may transfer in this email, i'll state that i used italics for C, but in writing it out, you would use a cursive C that is distinctive from block caps). so the text becomes: CHAPTER 2 1 & t 3 D T W a M I C o G; & t M o J W T. i use other variations, too. for Jesus i use the greek letter chi (looks like a cursive x that extends below the line). i don't use the number 1 for one or first, because it looks too much like block cap letter i. you can buy little pocket spiral notebooks that work out great for writing out the verses of whatever you are working on. for long passages where i have trouble with some phrases, i lightly pencil in the difficult word, and erase it when i finally know it by heart. hope this helps, and if you try it and like it, please let me know! your sis in Christ, judy =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 23 Mar 98 10:55:48 Subject: Re: biblememory is easy From: "Richard Oller" Hello all, New list member here, just wanted to say hi. I'm in the process of memorizing 1 John, if anyone else out there is doing the same perhaps we could assist each other. Richard -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------ "My mother told me....."In this world you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant." For many years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. And you can quote me." Elwood P. Dowd in "Harvey" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------ =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:09:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: first letter memorizing From: At 05:45 PM 3/23/98 -0500, you wrote: >hi warren! sorry to take so long in responding to your question. you asked >about > >the initials> your question was > ><not real clear what you are talking about. I think I understand, but would >appreciate an example.>> *** clip *** Hi Judy! Thanks for the example. I am going to have to give it a try. It sounds more fun than the normal business or 3x5 cards. Shalom! Warren PS: Never limit your future by only doing what you have done in the past! -------------------------------------------------- -- YOU CAN, IF YOU BELIEVE YOU CAN -- -------------------------------------------------- -- H. Warren Casiday, casidayinfoave.net -- -------------------------------------------------- =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:34:10 -0500 Subject: About Myself From: Scott Groppenbecker Hi all! I just joined the list and thought I would tell you a little about myself. My name is Scott Groppenbecker. I am a sophomore in high school, and am involved there with Student Venture, the high school ministry outreach of Campus Crusade for Christ. (Try saying that fast 3 times... on second thought, try saying that once!) I have been a Christian all my life, and am trying to learn as much as I can of God's word. This also tends to bring out a yearning to memorize scripture :o) I preach at my church (Anderson Ferry Church of Christ) some times, and am also involved in the av/sound/computer ministry there. I am a web master, and work on mainly 3 sites: my home page (CrossNet - http://w3.goodnews.net/~netkid/, JavaScripts.com, and Anderson Ferry Church of Christ - http://members.xoom.com/afcc/). I can also do some graphics work, especially in the area of photo retouching, collages, and text manipulation. I am also the son of Jan, who is also on this list but hasn't submitted a profile of herself (hint, hint mom!). OK, I think that is enough about me. Feel free to email me at netkidgoodnews.net anytime. I am willing to help anyone in any way I can! Other than that, I am glad to be a part of this list. In Christ, Scott Groppenbecker =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 21:49:50 -0600 Subject: Re: About Myself From: Tamara Carman Enjoyed the introduction, Scott... Welcome aboard.... Although you're MUCH younger than me sounds like you could teach me a lot. Glad you're here. I also do web pages.. but nothing exciting or good. Just for the fun of it. Your friend, in Christ, -- Tamara Carman http://www.angelfire.com/tx/tamarac/ My Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Loge/2631/ Permian High School =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:50:26 EST Subject: Re: first letter memorizing From: AskJudySS Dave, thanks for the feedback! the technique is derived from basic first letter idea i heard somewhere. i came up with the variations... guess i've always liked "codes," so it seemed natural... as to the why's (<>), "all of the above," partly, but mostly i've found that the technique seems to trigger something in aiding memorization. maybe it's that the mind has to fish for the word that the letter stands for, and this unlocks a door somewhere. i don't know. there is much of "brain" we do not consciously use, as we are told so often ("man uses 10% or less..." -- have you heard this?). we have photographic memories, but this ability is scrambled for most of us. still, haven't we experienced looking for a verse in Scripture "on the right-hand page in the lower left quadrant..."? that's a snapshot, and while we can't read from it, it's still a part of the photographic memory capacity. well, in the end the thing that makes memorizing work is the Holy Spirit. He brings to our memory, He leads us to all truth. we use "what is in our hand," or that is, God makes use of what is in our hand, what He has given us, and multiplies our efforts. we memorize the Word in order to learn the mind and heart of Christ, not to have more quantity-knowledge. God bless you, friend! your sis' in Christ, ... judy =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 18:58:37 EST Subject: Memorization technique. From: MEGANxyz Sorry to bother everyone, but I was wondering if someone could send me the post Judy originally made about her first letter memorizing method. I accidentally deleted it! Thanks! Megan =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 19:40:51 EST Subject: Re: first letter memorizing From: AskJudySS wow, david, that was intricate! i think you've got some good ideas, too! i didn't tell you about the possessive apostrophe, but you came with it too. i think that's neat. i was going to pass that along at a later date. what i do for possessive words that have apostrophe in the text (Paul's, for example) is P' (P is cursive because proper name)... what are you memorizing? til' later... your sis, judy =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:59:21 -0400 Subject: Memory Songs? From: "A.C. Smith" Did I miss a posting on this list? Somebody was going to post the information about a cassette or CD of Bible songs which were useful for memorization. Maybe I missed it. Can you post it again? A.C. Smith =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:02:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Memory Songs? From: Deborah L Gerhardt Hi - it was me who was going to do it. I was waiting for the company to send me the whole list and info, in case your Christian Bookstore can't get them for you - this is the direct stuff. Scripture Memory Integrity Direct, Inc. Mobile, AL 36695 1-800-533-6912 (ext. 3256) They take credit cards over the phone, or personal checks through the mail. Each tape's price is $9.98 or CD's price is $12.98. Shipping and Handling: $0-30 $3.95 $30.01-60 $5.65 $60.01-80 $7.25 $80.01-100 $8.65 Over $100 $9.95 Title Tape Order # CD Order # ----- ------------ ---------- God's Grace IMC300 IMD300 Overcoming Anxiety IMC301 IMD301 Spiritual Warfare IMC303 IMD303 Praise IMC304 IMD304 Healing IMC305 IMD305 Overcoming Guilt IMC306 IMD306 Encouragement IMC307 IMD307 Personal Victory IMC308 IMD308 God's Guidance IMC309 IMD309 God's Provision IMC310 IMD310 God's Love IMC311 IMD311 Overcoming Fear IMC312 IMD312 Power of Thanksgiving IMC313 IMD313 Building Your Faith IMC314 IMD314 Overcoming Stress IMC315 IMD315 Renewing Your Mind IMC316 IMD316 Finding God's Will IMC317 IMD317 God's Promises IMC318 IMD318 Hope of Heaven IMC319 IMD319 Power of Worship IMC320 IMD320 Strength That Endures IMC321 IMD321 Wisdom From Above IMC322 IMD322 God's Comfort IMC323 IMD323 Forgiveness IMC324 IMD324 Shield of Faith IMC325 IMD325 Everlasting Hope IMC326 IMD326 This listing did not tell of the different verses on each tape. I guess you'd need to call them to find that out. Happy singing and memorizing! debby Deborah L. Gerhardt Assistant Director Academic Advisory Center College of Humanities & Social Sciences Carnegie Mellon University Baker Hall 161 Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890 [412] 268-1076 (office phone/voice mail) [412] 268-1293 (fax #) ===============================================================================