Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 6:21 PM Subject: Re: Memorization From: Elizabeth Friend Hello, My name is Liz and I'm a homeschooling mother of 5 girls. I also run a daycare in my home and often have children here until 8:00 in the evening. I've been trying to memorize scripture, but by the time I've gotten my house cleaned up at night, I sit down with bible open and fall asleep before I've finished reading the first passage. I'm trying to organize my time because it's so much more important to know the word of God. I'm open to any suggestions.-----Original Message----- From: James Kephart To: biblememmemoryverses.org Date: Thursday, April 26, 2001 8:39 PM Subject: Re: Memorization >To Betty Foote..... >Congratulations on your success in starting to memorize. One thing I >can tell you, is don't get uptight about it. If you will relax, it >will come. Just take a verse at a time, memorize it then move on to the >next verse. Don't worry if a day later you don't seem to remember the >first verse. Get >all the chapter or section done one verse at a time before you start trying >to string the verses together. Then start over, again one verse at a time. >You will find that the second time around, the verses come much easier. By >the third time around, you will know your individual verses good enough >to start stringing them together. Many people make the mistake of >doing one verse, then two, then stringing those two and then trying for >three, stringing them. By the time they get to the end, they know the >first three >verses well and the rest not so good. This you don't want. You want >to know all the passage. I hope this makes sense to you. I have >personally coached many people, and this has been the best way for >large passages. Also, if you can get someone to meet with you about 30 >minutes a week to coach you, it is very beneficial. Blessings! Keep up >the good work. God will use what memorize do to do great things >because his word doesn't go out void. James L. Kephart > >http://threethirtyclub.com > >MrKephartaol.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "mrs foote" >To: >Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 10:00 AM >Subject: Memorization > > >> Dear Stephen, >> I have just been reading all the dialogue between all the members of >> this site, thinking that I really battle to memorize anything. Then >> after reading your article on how to meditate on the Scriptuers and >> asking the Lord Jesus to help I recieved a desire to memorize Isaiah >> 53 then it came quite easily. I started off by visuallizing and >> drawing what I saw in each sentence. What a blessing because >> revelation about the strength of the arm of the Lord became >> established in my soul. So thankyou for what your are doing, and I >> can quote the first 4 verses and I am focused on the cross the power >> of God. I also carry a card with the verses on, around with me. >> >> May God give peace to you, my Christian brothers, and love, with >> faith from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. God's grace and >> blessing be upon all who love our Lord Jesus Christ. Love, Betty >> Foote. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > =============================================================================== Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 6:21 PM Subject: Re: I'm new here From: Michael JUSTICE Hi Angela, My name is Mike Justice, and I am blind from an hereditary condition called retinitis pigmentosa. I will be 55 this year, and will have been married for twenty-five years in July. I turned my life over to Christ in 1974 when I was twenty-seven, and started to grow in grace and knowledge when I began attending a local church in 1975. I have used recorded bibles (both 33rpm records and cassettes) since 1976. Around 1991, I began using the Online Bible program with a speech output computer. I am currently using the Millenium edition of the Online bible on Windows98, with JAWS speech software. The Online bible is available as a free download from www.OnlineBible.net with a variety of modules to enhance the basic package. With the Online bible, I have been able to perform a variety of scripture searches, look at the definitions through the Strong's numbers, see original Hebrew or Greek words, and study some related commentaries or other references. I can use the Online bible to just read, starting and stopping at my choice of locations in the scripture, almost as if I was able to sight-read print for myself. Just as a side note, Larry Pierce is a pastor in Winterborne, Ontario who developed the Online Bible. I have not done a lot of memorization, except in the early 1990's when I used Braille and repetitive listening to recorded verses, for memorizing required verses for the Evangelism Explosion materials as I participated in my church's program for two years. My preference, is bible study to better understand God's word, for Sunday school and church services, for Wednesday prayer meetings with Bible studies that I led in past years at my church, and for general renewing of my mind to be more like Christ and less like the world. In personal study, and from listening to Christian radio and messages at church, the exposure to scripture has placed some verses in my memory, with no conscious effort to memorize. Often these verses will come to mind when I am in conversation, and it is a delight to be able to share the word of God with believers and non-believers when the Lord's timing is right. May you be encouraged by other Christian contacts, and may the Lord use you in His unique design of intent for only you. Watching and praying until His return, Mike Justice. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela Maria" To: Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 5:37 AM Subject: I'm new here > Hello my name is > Angela. I'm from Toronto, Ontario > Canada. > I'm a blind 28 year old > Christian who loves the Bible. > Since it is hard > for me to read the whole bible I try to grab > whatever scripture I hear and memorize it. > I have a tape bible but don't > know how to use it. > It is the whole bible. > I also have some books in > vraille. Trust ne, it > is not like a print bible. > What I would give to read > a Bible like that, all the books > in one book. > Thank you for having a > group like this. Ok, > I'll stop for now, bye. > Angela =============================================================================== Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 6:21 PM Subject: Re: angela maria/Ron From: I record my voice reading & rereading one scripture at a time,then listen at my conveience to memorize. Dee =============================================================================== Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 6:21 PM Subject: Re: Memorization Att:Brian From: Brian I am familiar with the book by Jerry Lucas & I find it just as hard to memorize all the things involved concerning memorizing whole scriptures. I did however easily memorize the 100 peg words & their numbers, and I have a terrible time remembering where I put my car keys last!! In Him Dee =============================================================================== Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 6:21 PM Subject: Melody's remarks From: James Kephart Dear Melody, I have coached many people to memorize verses. Many think they are too old or that they can't memorize anymore. But if they try it gets easier and easier. The mind is a wonderful instrument God gave us. Unlike computors the memory never runs out. I have never had a message "out of memory" from my brain. I am 69 years old, and because I continually use my brain, I memorize better now than when I was young. Get someone to help you. Read the verse aloud. Say it. You will be surprized how easy it gets. The joyous thing is that God will probably make a way for you to use those verses. They will probably bear fruit. They always do for me. James L. Kephart ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melody Habeeb" To: Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 10:37 PM Subject: Re: Memorization > I must confess that with my memory (lack of) I only know John 3:16,and that > because I had sung it. I wanted to learn some scriptures so i could > have God's Word to help me- at work, or camping, or grocery store. > > The Lord gave me 2 verses that I really need on fear: I John 4:18-19 > To my astonishment, since they mean so much to me, I have learned the > first couple phrases of the first verse!! Believe it- this is God's work.. > I don't even remember what years my sons were born!!(or my own phone > number) > > The encouragement I get by reading these posts helps me a lot too. > Thank you all. -Melody > > > > > > =============================================================================== Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 6:20 PM Subject: Brian Janko's questions From: James Kephart Why don't you start your own group, You only need one other person. There is a good plan for starting a group at http://www.threethirtyclub.com. If your church or pastor wanted to get involved, it tells you how on that web page. James L. Kephart ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Janko" To: Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 10:37 PM Subject: Memorization and Bible Study > This seems like a great group. > > I'm new to this. I once memorized the entire Westminster Shorter > Catechism. > > Can anyone suggest a good place to start in terms of memorization? > > Also, I was wondering: are there any groups like this relating to > Bible Study, or Bible reading plans and similar things? > > -- Brian > > > > > =============================================================================== Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 6:20 PM Subject: Brian;s remarks on memorizing From: James Kephart Dear Brian, Don't worry about memorizing the chapters, verses, Jesus quoted a lot of scripture and never did that. If you forget where the verses are located, they are easily found. I recommend plain old rote memorization. Just like you did to learn the alphabet and times tables. Pick out your chapter. Memorize the first verse. I like to read it 5 time aloud. That way my ears, eyes, mouth, and brain have heard, seen, said, and thought it. I can usually say the verse without looking then. If not, I repeat. When I have done the first verse I sort of forget it awhile and go the the second, then third etc. When I am through the chapter I go to the first again. I never start stringing verses together until I have them all down pat. That generally takes 4 or 5 times through. But the next time on each verse is much easier. I can do a 20 verse chapter and have it word perfect in about 3 weeks, just working a few minutes a day. After I can string them all together, I use that chapter for going to sleep at night for a month or so. Really makes for peaceful sleep. I just finished the 11th Meditation on worry. It is found at http://www.threethirtyclub.com and is free to print out. It is easily learned and is a wonderful scripture to go to sleep with. I hope this helps. If not I would be glad to further explain. The more you do it, the easier it gets. James L. Kephart ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Janko" To: Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 10:37 PM Subject: Re: Memorization > James: > > Your example makes sense, but could you spell it out a little more; > say we > have a Psalm that's five verses, or some example. I'm fairly good at > memorizing, but I do tend to know the first parts of what I'm > memorizing much better than the rest of it. > > Also, do you recommend peg words and link associations and such (say, > for verse numbers)? Do you even recommend memorizing verse numbers > for a whole > chapter or something? (e.g., peg words like 1=tie; 2=Noah; 3=ma; > 4=rye; > etc...) > > Thanks, > -- Brian > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Kephart" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 6:40 PM > Subject: Re: Memorization > > > > To Betty Foote..... > > Congratulations on your success in starting to memorize. One thing > > I can > > tell you, is don't get uptight about it. If you will relax, it will > come. > > Just take a verse at a time, memorize it then move on to the next verse. > > Don't worry if a day later you don't seem to remember the first > > verse. > Get > > all the chapter or section done one verse at a time before you start > trying > > to string the verses together. Then start over, again one verse at > > a > time. > > You will find that the second time around, the verses come much > > easier. > By > > the third time around, you will know your individual verses good > > enough > to > > start stringing them together. Many people make the mistake of > > doing one > > verse, then two, then stringing those two and then trying for three, > > stringing them. By the time they get to the end, they know the > > first > three > > verses well and the rest not so good. This you don't want. You > > want to > > know all the passage. I hope this makes sense to you. I have personally > > coached many people, and this has been the best way for large > > passages. Also, if you can get someone to meet with you about 30 > > minutes a week to > > coach you, it is very beneficial. > > Blessings! Keep up the good work. God will use what memorize do to > > do great things because his word doesn't go out void. James L. > > Kephart > > > > http://threethirtyclub.com > > > > MrKephartaol.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "mrs foote" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 10:00 AM > > Subject: Memorization > > > > > > > Dear Stephen, > > > I have just been reading all the dialogue between all the members > > > of this site, thinking that I really battle to memorize anything. > > > Then after reading your article on how to meditate on the > > > Scriptuers > and > > > asking the Lord Jesus to help I recieved a desire to memorize > > > Isaiah 53 > > > then it came quite easily. I started off by visuallizing and > > > drawing what I saw in each sentence. What a blessing because > > > revelation about the strength of the arm of the Lord became > > > established in my soul. So > > > thankyou for what your are doing, and I can quote the first 4 > > > verses > and > > > I am focused on the cross the power of God. I also carry a card > > > with > the > > > verses on, around with me. > > > > > > May God give peace to you, my Christian brothers, and love, with faith > > > from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. God's grace and blessing > > > be upon all who love our Lord Jesus Christ. > > > Love, Betty Foote. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =============================================================================== Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 6:20 PM Subject: Re: angela maria From: James Kephart To Melody, It isn't that hard to memorize large selections such as chapters. Just read one verse 5 times aloud. See if you can say it. If not read it again and keep trying until you can say the first verse. Then forget it until you get the next verse. Do all the verses once, then go back to the first. You will be surprized how easy it is to get the first again. Go over them all one at a time. You will soon be comfortable with every verse. That is when you start stringing them together. I teach a group of seniors three verses every Wed nit that way. I would bet I could teach you three verses in 10 minutes. What I am saying is you can do it. James L. Kephart ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melody Habeeb" To: Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 10:38 PM Subject: Re: angela maria > Hi Angela! My name is Melody. I like Twila Paris too. A couple years > ago, a > friend and I drove to Ithaca, NY from northern NY to see her in > concert. It > was wonderful! > > I; NEVER thought I could memorize scripture (I'll be 55 this year) But the > Lord showed me a specific one that will help me daily.. it's about fear > and love.. I John 4:18-19. > And I am slowly learning the phrases in it. > > I cannot imagine memorizing a whole chapter, or book!! (well, maybe a > short psalm)Welcome to biblemem, You found the right crowd to > encourage memorizing the Bible! -melody > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Angela Maria > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 9:40 PM > Subject: angela maria > > > > Hello, my name is Angela, > > subscribe biblemem. I am a Christian > > who is interested in Scripture > > memory particularly since I am blind. > > I am 28 single,never > > been married and don't have a > > boyfriend. The reason I said > > that is it seems that's all I seem > > to find on the internet, people interested in dating > > and omusic that I'm not interested > > in. I like singers like twila paris, > > Sandi Patti, and Steve Green. > > I live in Toronto Ontario, > > Canada. > > Ok, thank you for taking > > the time to read this letter. > > Hope to hear from you. > > yours sincerely, > > Angela > > > > _______________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca > > > > > > > > > > > =============================================================================== Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 11:54 PM Subject: Re: Memorization From: biblet Liz, My wife and I homeschool our kids also. I would encourage you to memorize Bible verses with your kids as part of the homeschool curriculum. I have worked with my kids for a few months now and they have picked up a lot of verses from Proverbs. Even if they can't memorize them verbatim after a few weeks, they still can relate to you the gist of the verses. I know I need to make a commitment to spend time with my kids, as well as spending time on my own. I tend to do well for 2 weeks and then let things slip for a few more weeks. But, I do believe that it is an important part of Christian life to impart wisdom to your family. I have written Bible memorization software with the homeschool family in mind. It may make the memorization process more enjoyable. I have included the whole text from the King James, the American Standard and the NIV inside the software. You can choose the verses you want, save them to a file and then play games to memorize them. It has a Report Card feature where you can check your progress. It actually reads the Bible verses to you while you play the games. You can choose either an animated character or just a voice. Download the demo edition at http://www.biblememory2000.com. Also, check out PC Memlok at http://www.memlok.com. It ties pictures to the verses to make it easier to memorize the verse (mnemonics). It also helps to have an accountability partner when you memorize scripture (or when you go to exercise or lose weight for that matter). Just when your feeling like you don't want to do it, there is another person encouraging you to go the distance. Check out the Three Thirty Club at http://threethirtyclub.com. The founder, Rev. Kephart, is a big proponent of having an accountability partner. He has onlined a specific plan of verses to memorize. These verses make up a foundation of scripture where you can share your faith readily with others. Todd Beach Tuscaloosa, AL ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Elizabeth Friend" Reply-To: biblememmemoryverses.org Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 17:21:05 -0500 >Hello, My name is Liz and I'm a homeschooling mother of 5 girls. I >also run a daycare in my home and often have children here until 8:00 >in the evening. I've been trying to memorize scripture, but by the >time I've gotten my house cleaned up at night, I sit down with bible >open and fall asleep before I've finished reading the first passage. >I'm trying to organize my time because it's so much more important to >know the word of God. I'm open to any suggestions.-----Original >Message----- >From: James Kephart >To: biblememmemoryverses.org >Date: Thursday, April 26, 2001 8:39 PM >Subject: Re: Memorization > > >>To Betty Foote..... >>Congratulations on your success in starting to memorize. One thing I >>can tell you, is don't get uptight about it. If you will relax, it >>will come. >>Just take a verse at a time, memorize it then move on to the next >>verse. Don't worry if a day later you don't seem to remember the first >>verse. >Get >>all the chapter or section done one verse at a time before you start >trying >>to string the verses together. Then start over, again one verse at a >time. >>You will find that the second time around, the verses come much >>easier. >By >>the third time around, you will know your individual verses good >>enough to >>start stringing them together. Many people make the mistake of doing >>one verse, then two, then stringing those two and then trying for >>three, stringing them. By the time they get to the end, they know the >>first >three >>verses well and the rest not so good. This you don't want. You want >>to know all the passage. I hope this makes sense to you. I have >>personally coached many people, and this has been the best way for >>large passages. Also, if you can get someone to meet with you about 30 >>minutes a week to coach you, it is very beneficial. Blessings! Keep >>up the good work. God will use what memorize do to do great things >>because his word doesn't go out void. James L. Kephart >> >>http://threethirtyclub.com >> >>MrKephartaol.com >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "mrs foote" >>To: >>Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 10:00 AM >>Subject: Memorization >> >> >>> Dear Stephen, >>> I have just been reading all the dialogue between all the members of >>> this site, thinking that I really battle to memorize anything. Then >>> after reading your article on how to meditate on the Scriptuers and >>> asking the Lord Jesus to help I recieved a desire to memorize Isaiah >>> 53 then it came quite easily. I started off by visuallizing and >>> drawing what I saw in each sentence. What a blessing because >>> revelation about the strength of the arm of the Lord became >>> established in my soul. So thankyou for what your are doing, and I >>> can quote the first 4 verses and >>> I am focused on the cross the power of God. I also carry a card with the >>> verses on, around with me. >>> >>> May God give peace to you, my Christian brothers, and love, with >>> faith from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. God's grace and >>> blessing be upon all who love our Lord Jesus Christ. Love, Betty >>> Foote. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > =============================================================================== Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 11:53 PM Subject: Re: angela maria/Ron From: James Kephart I think reading the verse aloud works better because then your eyes, ears, and mouth, and mind all have to work on it. If you are just listening to your own voice, your eyes and mouth miss out. I once heard that if all four of those things work on something, you will probably know it. Bless you for memorizing! James L. Kephart ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 3:20 PM Subject: Re: angela maria/Ron > I record my voice reading & rereading one scripture at a time,then > listen at my conveience to memorize. Dee > > > > > > =============================================================================== Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 11:53 PM Subject: Re: Memorization Att:Brian From: James Kephart I've been through the peg memory deal. Might work ok for a test tomorrow afternoon but for scripture, Rote memory works best for me. I just read the verse aloud until I can say it without halt, help, or hesitation. I can do a verse in about 3 minutes now, though it took a little longer at first. I do all the verses one at a time, then go back for seconds, then thirds, and by that time I am ready to start stringing them together. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 3:20 PM Subject: Re: Memorization Att:Brian > Brian I am familiar with the book by Jerry Lucas & I find it just as > hard to memorize all the things involved concerning memorizing whole > scriptures. I > did however easily memorize the 100 peg words & their numbers, and I > have a > terrible time remembering where I put my car keys last!! In Him Dee > > > > > > =============================================================================== Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 11:53 PM Subject: For Elizabeth Friend From: James Kephart Dear Elizabeth Friend You have a lot of pressure and not much time, but you can still do your memorization. With your worries and pressure, I would suggest you go to http:wwwthreethirtyclub.com and print the meditation about worry and anxiety. (It is the 11th Mediatation) Keep it on your person if you can. Wake up and memorize one verse so you can say it perfectly. This might take 10 minutes the first time, but after a while, 3 min will be enough. Try to say that verse a lot during the day, and plan on repeating it at sleep time. The next day, do the second verse. The next day the third etc. In two weeks you will have said all the verses. Then go back and repeat. You will be surprized how fast you re-learn them the second time around. Do not try to link the verses until you have learned them individually about 3 or 4 times. This is where most people get discouraged. Memory is like a car on a dirt road. You drive over the same thing enough and soon you have a trail that is easy to follow. But don't get discouraged. If you do the one verse at a time you won't get discouraged. Also, if you go to sleep with scripture on your mind, God can start to work on you right away. If you go to sleep with the worries of the day on you, it will take awhile before God can start dealing with you. Norman Vincent Peale, famed preacher, taught this. Blessings! James L. Kephart ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Friend" To: Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 3:21 PM Subject: Re: Memorization > Hello, My name is Liz and I'm a homeschooling mother of 5 girls. I > also run a daycare in my home and often have children here until 8:00 > in the evening. I've been trying to memorize scripture, but by the > time I've gotten my house cleaned up at night, I sit down with bible > open and fall asleep before I've finished reading the first passage. > I'm trying to organize my time because it's so much more important to > know the word of God. I'm open to any suggestions.-----Original > Message----- > From: James Kephart > To: biblememmemoryverses.org > Date: Thursday, April 26, 2001 8:39 PM > Subject: Re: Memorization > > > >To Betty Foote..... > >Congratulations on your success in starting to memorize. One thing I can > >tell you, is don't get uptight about it. If you will relax, it will come. > >Just take a verse at a time, memorize it then move on to the next > >verse. Don't worry if a day later you don't seem to remember the > >first verse. > Get > >all the chapter or section done one verse at a time before you start > trying > >to string the verses together. Then start over, again one verse at a > time. > >You will find that the second time around, the verses come much > >easier. > By > >the third time around, you will know your individual verses good > >enough to > >start stringing them together. Many people make the mistake of doing one > >verse, then two, then stringing those two and then trying for three, > >stringing them. By the time they get to the end, they know the first > three > >verses well and the rest not so good. This you don't want. You want > >to know all the passage. I hope this makes sense to you. I have personally > >coached many people, and this has been the best way for large > >passages. Also, if you can get someone to meet with you about 30 > >minutes a week to coach you, it is very beneficial. Blessings! Keep > >up the good work. God will use what memorize do to do great things > >because his word doesn't go out void. James L. Kephart > > > >http://threethirtyclub.com > > > >MrKephartaol.com > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "mrs foote" > >To: > >Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 10:00 AM > >Subject: Memorization > > > > > >> Dear Stephen, > >> I have just been reading all the dialogue between all the members > >> of this site, thinking that I really battle to memorize anything. > >> Then after reading your article on how to meditate on the > >> Scriptuers and > >> asking the Lord Jesus to help I recieved a desire to memorize > >> Isaiah 53 > >> then it came quite easily. I started off by visuallizing and > >> drawing what I saw in each sentence. What a blessing because > >> revelation about the strength of the arm of the Lord became > >> established in my soul. So thankyou for what your are doing, and I > >> can quote the first 4 verses and > >> I am focused on the cross the power of God. I also carry a card > >> with the > >> verses on, around with me. > >> > >> May God give peace to you, my Christian brothers, and love, with > >> faith from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. God's grace > >> and blessing > >> be upon all who love our Lord Jesus Christ. > >> Love, Betty Foote. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > =============================================================================== Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 11:53 PM Subject: Re: Memorization From: Edwards Hello Liz! How well I can relate! I also was a homeschooling mother. Perhaps you could insist on a quiet time at a certain time of day. The younger child are sure to need a rest or nap time. The older children could quietly read or rest or join you in your memorization venture. It is always difficult to start a new routine, and I'm sure the children will complain about resting, but you will probably find that it will be beneficial to everyone in the long run. God Bless! Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: Elizabeth Friend To: Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 6:21 PM Subject: Re: Memorization > Hello, My name is Liz and I'm a homeschooling mother of 5 girls. I > also run a daycare in my home and often have children here until 8:00 > in the evening. I've been trying to memorize scripture, but by the > time I've gotten my house cleaned up at night, I sit down with bible > open and fall asleep before I've finished reading the first passage. > I'm trying to organize my time because it's so much more important to > know the word of God. I'm open to any suggestions.-----Original > Message----- > From: James Kephart > To: biblememmemoryverses.org > Date: Thursday, April 26, 2001 8:39 PM > Subject: Re: Memorization > > > >To Betty Foote..... > >Congratulations on your success in starting to memorize. One thing I can > >tell you, is don't get uptight about it. If you will relax, it will come. > >Just take a verse at a time, memorize it then move on to the next > >verse. Don't worry if a day later you don't seem to remember the > >first verse. > Get > >all the chapter or section done one verse at a time before you start > trying > >to string the verses together. Then start over, again one verse at a > time. > >You will find that the second time around, the verses come much > >easier. > By > >the third time around, you will know your individual verses good > >enough to > >start stringing them together. Many people make the mistake of doing one > >verse, then two, then stringing those two and then trying for three, > >stringing them. By the time they get to the end, they know the first > three > >verses well and the rest not so good. This you don't want. You want > >to know all the passage. I hope this makes sense to you. I have personally > >coached many people, and this has been the best way for large > >passages. Also, if you can get someone to meet with you about 30 > >minutes a week to coach you, it is very beneficial. Blessings! Keep > >up the good work. God will use what memorize do to do great things > >because his word doesn't go out void. James L. Kephart > > > >http://threethirtyclub.com > > > >MrKephartaol.com > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "mrs foote" > >To: > >Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 10:00 AM > >Subject: Memorization > > > > > >> Dear Stephen, > >> I have just been reading all the dialogue between all the members > >> of this site, thinking that I really battle to memorize anything. > >> Then after reading your article on how to meditate on the > >> Scriptuers and > >> asking the Lord Jesus to help I recieved a desire to memorize > >> Isaiah 53 > >> then it came quite easily. I started off by visuallizing and > >> drawing what I saw in each sentence. What a blessing because > >> revelation about the strength of the arm of the Lord became > >> established in my soul. So thankyou for what your are doing, and I > >> can quote the first 4 verses and > >> I am focused on the cross the power of God. I also carry a card > >> with the > >> verses on, around with me. > >> > >> May God give peace to you, my Christian brothers, and love, with > >> faith from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. God's grace > >> and blessing > >> be upon all who love our Lord Jesus Christ. > >> Love, Betty Foote. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > =============================================================================== Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 5:32 PM Subject: When do I go on to memorizing the next verse? From: Brian Janko My question is, when memorizing a long section or chapter, "how do you know when to go on to the next verse?" I understand that we should memorize one verse at a time without stringing them together. And that we should start off by reading the first verse five times aloud, and then try it from memory. If we make a mistake, then we need to read it five times aloud AGAIN.... and we keep doing that (reading it aloud 5x) until we can say it from memory without "help, halt, or hesitation." Here's what I find happening: I read the verse 5x, then I try it by memory. I stumble. So I read the verse aloud 5 times again. Now, I try it again by memory and get it perfect. However, RIGHT AFTER that perfect rendering by memory I try it a second time and stumble. Sometimes I stumble a little and can say it again perfectly on the next try.... other times I stumble to the point where I start to doubt the details (is there an "a" or a "the" missing? and things like that). After the "reading aloud" part, and given that I can SOMETIMES say it from memory withouth "halt, help, or hesitation" -- at what point can I feel that I have memorized it sufficiently to go onto the next verse? Only when there is NEVER halt, help, or hesitation? Or just if I get it by memory right THE FIRST TIME? Or just as long as I can AT SOME POINT say it without halt, help, or hesitation? When do I go on to memorizing the next verse? Thanks, Brian Janko brianjankonet.com =============================================================================== Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 5:31 PM Subject: Re: For Elizabeth Friend From: Elizabeth Friend I just want to thank everyone for their suggestions. I have memorized all of Psalm one and can say it with confidence. Doing it with my girls was a great idea, because I have someone to look while I'm reciting and they can tell me if I make a mistake. There is one thing I'm wondering about, as you memorize more and more verses, do you remember where each one is? I do know quite a few verses, but I have no idea where they are in the Bible. I'm hoping that I'll eventually be able to answer the question that is so often asked, "where is that in the Bible?" without having to search concordances all the time. -----Original Message----- From: James Kephart To: biblememmemoryverses.org Date: Thursday, May 10, 2001 10:56 PM Subject: For Elizabeth Friend >Dear Elizabeth Friend > >You have a lot of pressure and not much time, but you can still do your >memorization. With your worries and pressure, I would suggest you go >to http:wwwthreethirtyclub.com and print the meditation about worry and >anxiety. (It is the 11th Mediatation) Keep it on your person if you >can. Wake up and memorize one verse so you can say it perfectly. This >might take 10 minutes the first time, but after a while, 3 min will be >enough. Try to >say that verse a lot during the day, and plan on repeating it at sleep >time. The next day, do the second verse. The next day the third etc. >In two weeks you will have said all the verses. Then go back and >repeat. You will >be surprized how fast you re-learn them the second time around. Do not try >to link the verses until you have learned them individually about 3 or >4 times. This is where most people get discouraged. Memory is like a >car on >a dirt road. You drive over the same thing enough and soon you have a >trail that is easy to follow. But don't get discouraged. If you do >the one verse >at a time you won't get discouraged. Also, if you go to sleep with >scripture on your mind, God can start to work on you right away. If you go >to sleep with the worries of the day on you, it will take awhile before God >can start dealing with you. Norman Vincent Peale, famed preacher, taught >this. > >Blessings! > >James L. Kephart > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Elizabeth Friend" >To: >Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 3:21 PM >Subject: Re: Memorization > > >> Hello, My name is Liz and I'm a homeschooling mother of 5 girls. I also >> run a daycare in my home and often have children here until 8:00 in >> the evening. I've been trying to memorize scripture, but by the time >> I've gotten my house cleaned up at night, I sit down with bible open >> and fall >> asleep before I've finished reading the first passage. I'm trying to >> organize my time because it's so much more important to know the word >> of God. I'm open to any suggestions.-----Original Message----- >> From: James Kephart >> To: biblememmemoryverses.org >> Date: Thursday, April 26, 2001 8:39 PM >> Subject: Re: Memorization >> >> >> >To Betty Foote..... >> >Congratulations on your success in starting to memorize. One thing >> >I >can >> >tell you, is don't get uptight about it. If you will relax, it will >come. >> >Just take a verse at a time, memorize it then move on to the next verse. >> >Don't worry if a day later you don't seem to remember the first >> >verse. >> Get >> >all the chapter or section done one verse at a time before you start >> trying >> >to string the verses together. Then start over, again one verse at >> >a >> time. >> >You will find that the second time around, the verses come much >> >easier. >> By >> >the third time around, you will know your individual verses good >> >enough >to >> >start stringing them together. Many people make the mistake of >> >doing >one >> >verse, then two, then stringing those two and then trying for three, >> >stringing them. By the time they get to the end, they know the >> >first >> three >> >verses well and the rest not so good. This you don't want. You >> >want to >> >know all the passage. I hope this makes sense to you. I have >personally >> >coached many people, and this has been the best way for large >> >passages. Also, if you can get someone to meet with you about 30 >> >minutes a week to >> >coach you, it is very beneficial. >> >Blessings! Keep up the good work. God will use what memorize do to >> >do great things because his word doesn't go out void. James L. >> >Kephart >> > >> >http://threethirtyclub.com >> > >> >MrKephartaol.com >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: "mrs foote" >> >To: >> >Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 10:00 AM >> >Subject: Memorization >> > >> > >> >> Dear Stephen, >> >> I have just been reading all the dialogue between all the members >> >> of this site, thinking that I really battle to memorize anything. >> >> Then after reading your article on how to meditate on the >> >> Scriptuers >and >> >> asking the Lord Jesus to help I recieved a desire to memorize >> >> Isaiah >53 >> >> then it came quite easily. I started off by visuallizing and >> >> drawing what I saw in each sentence. What a blessing because >> >> revelation about the strength of the arm of the Lord became >> >> established in my soul. So >> >> thankyou for what your are doing, and I can quote the first 4 >> >> verses >and >> >> I am focused on the cross the power of God. I also carry a card >> >> with >the >> >> verses on, around with me. >> >> >> >> May God give peace to you, my Christian brothers, and love, with faith >> >> from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. God's grace and >blessing >> >> be upon all who love our Lord Jesus Christ. >> >> Love, Betty Foote. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > =============================================================================== Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 5:31 PM Subject: Homeschooling & memorization From: James Kephart Last night I taught 8 senior adults in exactly 15 minutes to say word perfect, the first three verses of our 15th meditation on prayer http://www.threethirtyclub.com. We did this simply by reading aloud each verse 5 times, then I let them say it when ready. A couple had problems but all had repeated each verse perfectly without halt, help, or hesitation in that 15 minutes. I went on to the 4th verse and it took them 8 minutes on that one. Their brain "muscles" were a little tired and the last verse took much longer than the other three. Makes me think it is sort of like working a body muscle. (I work out a lot) You can do so many curls, for instance easy, then it becomes work. I suggest with children that 15 minutes at a session is plenty. You can go back 3 or 4 hours later for another 15 minutes, but watch that their brain doesn't get too tired at one setting. You can easily tell. If you have a coach, or if you coach someone, like your children, you can tell when their brain becomes a little overworked. That is a good time to change studies and let them work a different part of their brain. Blessings! James L. Kephart ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edwards" To: Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 8:52 PM Subject: Re: Memorization > Hello Liz! > > How well I can relate! I also was a homeschooling mother. > > Perhaps you could insist on a quiet time at a certain time of day. > The younger child are sure to need a rest or nap time. The older > children could quietly read or rest or join you in your memorization > venture. It is always > difficult to start a new routine, and I'm sure the children will complain > about resting, but you will probably find that it will be beneficial to > everyone in the long run. > > God Bless! > Linda > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Elizabeth Friend > To: > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 6:21 PM > Subject: Re: Memorization > > > > Hello, My name is Liz and I'm a homeschooling mother of 5 girls. I also > > run a daycare in my home and often have children here until 8:00 in > > the evening. I've been trying to memorize scripture, but by the > > time I've gotten my house cleaned up at night, I sit down with > > bible open and fall > > asleep before I've finished reading the first passage. I'm trying > > to organize my time because it's so much more important to know the > > word of > > God. I'm open to any suggestions.-----Original Message----- > > From: James Kephart > > To: biblememmemoryverses.org > > Date: Thursday, April 26, 2001 8:39 PM > > Subject: Re: Memorization > > > > > > >To Betty Foote..... > > >Congratulations on your success in starting to memorize. One thing > > >I > can > > >tell you, is don't get uptight about it. If you will relax, it > > >will > come. > > >Just take a verse at a time, memorize it then move on to the next verse. > > >Don't worry if a day later you don't seem to remember the first > > >verse. > > Get > > >all the chapter or section done one verse at a time before you > > >start > > trying > > >to string the verses together. Then start over, again one verse at > > >a > > time. > > >You will find that the second time around, the verses come much easier. > > By > > >the third time around, you will know your individual verses good enough > to > > >start stringing them together. Many people make the mistake of > > >doing > one > > >verse, then two, then stringing those two and then trying for > > >three, stringing them. By the time they get to the end, they know > > >the first > > three > > >verses well and the rest not so good. This you don't want. You > > >want to > > >know all the passage. I hope this makes sense to you. I have > personally > > >coached many people, and this has been the best way for large passages. > > >Also, if you can get someone to meet with you about 30 minutes a > > >week to > > >coach you, it is very beneficial. > > >Blessings! Keep up the good work. God will use what memorize do > > >to do > > >great things because his word doesn't go out void. > > >James L. Kephart > > > > > >http://threethirtyclub.com > > > > > >MrKephartaol.com > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "mrs foote" > > >To: > > >Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 10:00 AM > > >Subject: Memorization > > > > > > > > >> Dear Stephen, > > >> I have just been reading all the dialogue between all the members > > >> of this site, thinking that I really battle to memorize > > >> anything. Then after reading your article on how to meditate on > > >> the Scriptuers > and > > >> asking the Lord Jesus to help I recieved a desire to memorize > > >> Isaiah > 53 > > >> then it came quite easily. I started off by visuallizing and > > >> drawing what I saw in each sentence. What a blessing because > > >> revelation about > > >> the strength of the arm of the Lord became established in my > > >> soul. So > > >> thankyou for what your are doing, and I can quote the first 4 > > >> verses > and > > >> I am focused on the cross the power of God. I also carry a card > > >> with > the > > >> verses on, around with me. > > >> > > >> May God give peace to you, my Christian brothers, and love, with faith > > >> from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. God's grace and > blessing > > >> be upon all who love our Lord Jesus Christ. > > >> Love, Betty Foote. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =============================================================================== Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 5:31 PM Subject: Re: Memorization From: Elizabeth Friend Hello Linda. Thank you so much for the suggestions. I never thought to include my children in my memorization endeavors. I think that just might be the answer, and it would certainly benefit them as well. It might even help me to be more diligent. I'll let you know how it works out. Thanks again, and Lord bless! A sister in Christ, Liz -----Original Message----- From: Edwards To: biblememmemoryverses.org Date: Thursday, May 10, 2001 10:55 PM Subject: Re: Memorization >Hello Liz! > >How well I can relate! I also was a homeschooling mother. > >Perhaps you could insist on a quiet time at a certain time of day. The >younger child are sure to need a rest or nap time. The older children >could quietly read or rest or join you in your memorization venture. >It is always >difficult to start a new routine, and I'm sure the children will complain >about resting, but you will probably find that it will be beneficial to >everyone in the long run. > >God Bless! >Linda > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Elizabeth Friend >To: >Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 6:21 PM >Subject: Re: Memorization > > >> Hello, My name is Liz and I'm a homeschooling mother of 5 girls. I also >> run a daycare in my home and often have children here until 8:00 in >> the evening. I've been trying to memorize scripture, but by the time >> I've gotten my house cleaned up at night, I sit down with bible open >> and fall >> asleep before I've finished reading the first passage. I'm trying to >> organize my time because it's so much more important to know the word >> of God. I'm open to any suggestions.-----Original Message----- >> From: James Kephart >> To: biblememmemoryverses.org >> Date: Thursday, April 26, 2001 8:39 PM >> Subject: Re: Memorization >> >> >> >To Betty Foote..... >> >Congratulations on your success in starting to memorize. One thing >> >I >can >> >tell you, is don't get uptight about it. If you will relax, it will >come. >> >Just take a verse at a time, memorize it then move on to the next verse. >> >Don't worry if a day later you don't seem to remember the first >> >verse. >> Get >> >all the chapter or section done one verse at a time before you start >> trying >> >to string the verses together. Then start over, again one verse at >> >a >> time. >> >You will find that the second time around, the verses come much >> >easier. >> By >> >the third time around, you will know your individual verses good >> >enough >to >> >start stringing them together. Many people make the mistake of >> >doing >one >> >verse, then two, then stringing those two and then trying for three, >> >stringing them. By the time they get to the end, they know the >> >first >> three >> >verses well and the rest not so good. This you don't want. You >> >want to >> >know all the passage. I hope this makes sense to you. I have >personally >> >coached many people, and this has been the best way for large >> >passages. Also, if you can get someone to meet with you about 30 >> >minutes a week to >> >coach you, it is very beneficial. >> >Blessings! Keep up the good work. God will use what memorize do to >> >do great things because his word doesn't go out void. James L. >> >Kephart >> > >> >http://threethirtyclub.com >> > >> >MrKephartaol.com >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: "mrs foote" >> >To: >> >Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 10:00 AM >> >Subject: Memorization >> > >> > >> >> Dear Stephen, >> >> I have just been reading all the dialogue between all the members >> >> of this site, thinking that I really battle to memorize anything. >> >> Then after reading your article on how to meditate on the >> >> Scriptuers >and >> >> asking the Lord Jesus to help I recieved a desire to memorize >> >> Isaiah >53 >> >> then it came quite easily. I started off by visuallizing and >> >> drawing what I saw in each sentence. What a blessing because >> >> revelation about the strength of the arm of the Lord became >> >> established in my soul. So >> >> thankyou for what your are doing, and I can quote the first 4 >> >> verses >and >> >> I am focused on the cross the power of God. I also carry a card >> >> with >the >> >> verses on, around with me. >> >> >> >> May God give peace to you, my Christian brothers, and love, with faith >> >> from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. God's grace and >blessing >> >> be upon all who love our Lord Jesus Christ. >> >> Love, Betty Foote. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> > > > =============================================================================== Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 10:52 AM Subject: Long sections or single verses? From: Rev Donald McCorkindale Greetings! Long Sections or single verses? My experience has been that if you don't worry too much about being word perfect but strive for "meaning perfect" - the words in fact follow very accurately. I have studied memory technique and would conclude that rather than focusing on a verse we should look to the big picture. I have the 1700 words or so of the "Sermon on the Mount" Matthew 5,6,& 7 committed to memory - but I couldn't tell you what Matthew 6: 7 is for example! Rather than going over individual verses I have gone over the whole text - listening to it on tape, while driving - running over it in my mind, reading it and so on. Many links - some natural and some very artificial glue the sections together. Acrostics and associations keep the flow - Murder, Adultery Divorce - the word MAD keeps these sections in the right order! The same patterns are found in the section on religious duties, prayer and fasting - some of that is lost when focussing on one verse. The technique of Mindmapping I find invaluable in Christian Ministry in so many ways - again this keeps the big picture before us. www.mind-map.com has some info. I have a concern that sometimes in the desire to "know the scriptures" we omit to "understand the scriptures". I find - go for understanding first - and the words follow. On a number of occasions I have "preached the sermon on the mount", without notes and to much effect - and transforming influence in others. I invite you to rise to the challenge - read the sermon on the mount in modern translation, record yourself reading it, listen to it or read it through just once a day for a fortnight. Don't try to memorize it or worry about precise words, and you will find its meaning is absorbed into heart, mind and life. with all good wishes and every blessing... Rev Donald McCorkindale Dalgety Bay, Scotland www.dalgety-church.org.uk =============================================================================== Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 10:52 AM Subject: Re: When do I go on to memorizing the next verse? From: James Kephart Dear Brian Janko, Once you have said the verse correcty one time, do not go back to it until you have gone through all the verses you intend to memorize at least once. Do not start stringing them together until they flow off your tongue easily one at a time. They get easier the second, third, fourth times around. I generally have to do them one at a time about 5 times before I am ready to string them together. I was once told that memorizing is like making a dirt road across the plains. If you drive over it four or five times it becomes a road. The first time over, you just knock the weeds down, but with each review it becomes clearer. If possible get a coach to help you. It doesn't have to be a fellow memorizer. A lady I know gets her daughter who doesn't even go to church to coach her. It gives them a time of fellowship and hopefully the great power of God's Word will do a good work in the daughter. Blessings! James L. Kephart http://www.threethirtyclub.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Janko" To: Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 2:31 PM Subject: When do I go on to memorizing the next verse? > My question is, when memorizing a long section or chapter, "how do you know > when to go on to the next verse?" > > I understand that we should memorize one verse at a time without stringing > them together. And that we should start off by reading the first > verse five times aloud, and then try it from memory. If we make a > mistake, then we need to read it five times aloud AGAIN.... and we > keep doing that (reading > it aloud 5x) until we can say it from memory without "help, halt, or > hesitation." > > Here's what I find happening: I read the verse 5x, then I try it by > memory. I stumble. So I read the verse aloud 5 times again. Now, I > try it again by > memory and get it perfect. However, RIGHT AFTER that perfect rendering by > memory I try it a second time and stumble. Sometimes I stumble a > little and can say it again perfectly on the next try.... other times > I stumble to the > point where I start to doubt the details (is there an "a" or a "the" > missing? and things like that). > > After the "reading aloud" part, and given that I can SOMETIMES say it from > memory withouth "halt, help, or hesitation" -- at what point can I > feel that I have memorized it sufficiently to go onto the next verse? > Only when there > is NEVER halt, help, or hesitation? Or just if I get it by memory right > THE > FIRST TIME? Or just as long as I can AT SOME POINT say it without halt, > help, or hesitation? > > When do I go on to memorizing the next verse? > > Thanks, > Brian Janko > brianjankonet.com > > > > > > > > =============================================================================== Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 10:52 AM Subject: Re: For Elizabeth Friend From: James Kephart Dear Elizabeth, I would say forget about memorizing the book, chapter and verse references. You will remember generally if someone asks. It is the WORD that is inspired, not the books and verses. They were added later to help scholars. The Hebrew that Jesus read, and the Greek that Paul read had no punctuation, much less references. Many old timers insist on book and chapter and verse. That is probably why so many people hate memorizing. James L. Kephart http://www.threethirtyclub.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Friend" To: Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 2:31 PM Subject: Re: For Elizabeth Friend > I just want to thank everyone for their suggestions. I have memorized all > of Psalm one and can say it with confidence. Doing it with my girls was a > great idea, because I have someone to look while I'm reciting and they can > tell me if I make a mistake. There is one thing I'm wondering about, as > you memorize more and more verses, do you remember where each one is? > I do > know quite a few verses, but I have no idea where they are in the > Bible. I'm hoping that I'll eventually be able to answer the question > that is so often asked, "where is that in the Bible?" without having > to search concordances all the time. > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Kephart > To: biblememmemoryverses.org > Date: Thursday, May 10, 2001 10:56 PM > Subject: For Elizabeth Friend > > > >Dear Elizabeth Friend > > > >You have a lot of pressure and not much time, but you can still do > >your memorization. With your worries and pressure, I would suggest > >you go to http:wwwthreethirtyclub.com and print the meditation about > >worry and anxiety. (It is the 11th Mediatation) Keep it on your > >person if you can. > >Wake up and memorize one verse so you can say it perfectly. This > >might take 10 minutes the first time, but after a while, 3 min will > >be enough. Try > to > >say that verse a lot during the day, and plan on repeating it at > >sleep time. The next day, do the second verse. The next day the > >third etc. In two weeks you will have said all the verses. Then go > >back and repeat. You will > >be surprized how fast you re-learn them the second time around. Do not > try > >to link the verses until you have learned them individually about 3 > >or 4 times. This is where most people get discouraged. Memory is > >like a car > on > >a dirt road. You drive over the same thing enough and soon you have > >a trail that is easy to follow. But don't get discouraged. If you > >do the one verse > >at a time you won't get discouraged. Also, if you go to sleep with > >scripture on your mind, God can start to work on you right away. If you > go > >to sleep with the worries of the day on you, it will take awhile > >before > God > >can start dealing with you. Norman Vincent Peale, famed preacher, taught > >this. > > > >Blessings! > > > >James L. Kephart > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Elizabeth Friend" > >To: > >Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 3:21 PM > >Subject: Re: Memorization > > > > > >> Hello, My name is Liz and I'm a homeschooling mother of 5 girls. > >> I > also > >> run a daycare in my home and often have children here until 8:00 in the > >> evening. I've been trying to memorize scripture, but by the time > >> I've gotten my house cleaned up at night, I sit down with bible > >> open and > fall > >> asleep before I've finished reading the first passage. I'm trying > >> to organize my time because it's so much more important to know the > >> word of > >> God. I'm open to any suggestions.-----Original Message----- > >> From: James Kephart > >> To: biblememmemoryverses.org > >> Date: Thursday, April 26, 2001 8:39 PM > >> Subject: Re: Memorization > >> > >> > >> >To Betty Foote..... > >> >Congratulations on your success in starting to memorize. One > >> >thing I > >can > >> >tell you, is don't get uptight about it. If you will relax, it > >> >will > >come. > >> >Just take a verse at a time, memorize it then move on to the next > verse. > >> >Don't worry if a day later you don't seem to remember the first verse. > >> Get > >> >all the chapter or section done one verse at a time before you > >> >start > >> trying > >> >to string the verses together. Then start over, again one verse > >> >at a > >> time. > >> >You will find that the second time around, the verses come much easier. > >> By > >> >the third time around, you will know your individual verses good enough > >to > >> >start stringing them together. Many people make the mistake of > >> >doing > >one > >> >verse, then two, then stringing those two and then trying for > >> >three, stringing them. By the time they get to the end, they know > >> >the first > >> three > >> >verses well and the rest not so good. This you don't want. You > >> >want > to > >> >know all the passage. I hope this makes sense to you. I have > >personally > >> >coached many people, and this has been the best way for large passages. > >> >Also, if you can get someone to meet with you about 30 minutes a > >> >week > to > >> >coach you, it is very beneficial. > >> >Blessings! Keep up the good work. God will use what memorize do > >> >to do > >> >great things because his word doesn't go out void. > >> >James L. Kephart > >> > > >> >http://threethirtyclub.com > >> > > >> >MrKephartaol.com > >> > > >> >----- Original Message ----- > >> >From: "mrs foote" > >> >To: > >> >Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 10:00 AM > >> >Subject: Memorization > >> > > >> > > >> >> Dear Stephen, > >> >> I have just been reading all the dialogue between all the > >> >> members of > >> >> this site, thinking that I really battle to memorize anything. > >> >> Then after reading your article on how to meditate on the Scriptuers > >and > >> >> asking the Lord Jesus to help I recieved a desire to memorize Isaiah > >53 > >> >> then it came quite easily. I started off by visuallizing and drawing > >> >> what I saw in each sentence. What a blessing because revelation about > >> >> the strength of the arm of the Lord became established in my > >> >> soul. > So > >> >> thankyou for what your are doing, and I can quote the first 4 verses > >and > >> >> I am focused on the cross the power of God. I also carry a card with > >the > >> >> verses on, around with me. > >> >> > >> >> May God give peace to you, my Christian brothers, and love, with > faith > >> >> from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. God's grace and > >blessing > >> >> be upon all who love our Lord Jesus Christ. > >> >> Love, Betty Foote. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > =============================================================================== Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 10:52 AM Subject: Re: Memorization From: James Kephart To Elizabeth and Linda, You can include your children in your memory work by asking them to "coach" you. Make a goal of saying your memory work, say in about a month before the family or someone and ask your child to coach you to do that. Coaching is easy. You can learn all about it at http://www.threethirtyclub.com. They will feel good about helping Mom with her memory work, and might get the idea to do some memory work themselves. Jim Kephart ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Friend" To: Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 2:31 PM Subject: Re: Memorization > Hello Linda. > > Thank you so much for the suggestions. I never thought to include my > children in my memorization endeavors. I think that just might be the > answer, and it would certainly benefit them as well. It might even > help me to be more diligent. I'll let you know how it works out. > Thanks again, and Lord bless! A sister in Christ, Liz > > -----Original Message----- > From: Edwards > To: biblememmemoryverses.org > Date: Thursday, May 10, 2001 10:55 PM > Subject: Re: Memorization > > > >Hello Liz! > > > >How well I can relate! I also was a homeschooling mother. > > > >Perhaps you could insist on a quiet time at a certain time of day. > >The younger child are sure to need a rest or nap time. The older > >children could quietly read or rest or join you in your memorization > >venture. It is always > >difficult to start a new routine, and I'm sure the children will complain > >about resting, but you will probably find that it will be beneficial > >to everyone in the long run. > > > >God Bless! > >Linda > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Elizabeth Friend > >To: > >Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 6:21 PM > >Subject: Re: Memorization > > > > > >> Hello, My name is Liz and I'm a homeschooling mother of 5 girls. > >> I > also > >> run a daycare in my home and often have children here until 8:00 in the > >> evening. I've been trying to memorize scripture, but by the time > >> I've gotten my house cleaned up at night, I sit down with bible > >> open and > fall > >> asleep before I've finished reading the first passage. I'm trying > >> to organize my time because it's so much more important to know the > >> word of > >> God. I'm open to any suggestions.-----Original Message----- > >> From: James Kephart > >> To: biblememmemoryverses.org > >> Date: Thursday, April 26, 2001 8:39 PM > >> Subject: Re: Memorization > >> > >> > >> >To Betty Foote..... > >> >Congratulations on your success in starting to memorize. One > >> >thing I > >can > >> >tell you, is don't get uptight about it. If you will relax, it > >> >will > >come. > >> >Just take a verse at a time, memorize it then move on to the next > verse. > >> >Don't worry if a day later you don't seem to remember the first verse. > >> Get > >> >all the chapter or section done one verse at a time before you > >> >start > >> trying > >> >to string the verses together. Then start over, again one verse > >> >at a > >> time. > >> >You will find that the second time around, the verses come much easier. > >> By > >> >the third time around, you will know your individual verses good enough > >to > >> >start stringing them together. Many people make the mistake of > >> >doing > >one > >> >verse, then two, then stringing those two and then trying for > >> >three, stringing them. By the time they get to the end, they know > >> >the first > >> three > >> >verses well and the rest not so good. This you don't want. You > >> >want > to > >> >know all the passage. I hope this makes sense to you. I have > >personally > >> >coached many people, and this has been the best way for large passages. > >> >Also, if you can get someone to meet with you about 30 minutes a > >> >week > to > >> >coach you, it is very beneficial. > >> >Blessings! Keep up the good work. God will use what memorize do > >> >to do > >> >great things because his word doesn't go out void. > >> >James L. Kephart > >> > > >> >http://threethirtyclub.com > >> > > >> >MrKephartaol.com > >> > > >> >----- Original Message ----- > >> >From: "mrs foote" > >> >To: > >> >Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 10:00 AM > >> >Subject: Memorization > >> > > >> > > >> >> Dear Stephen, > >> >> I have just been reading all the dialogue between all the > >> >> members of > >> >> this site, thinking that I really battle to memorize anything. > >> >> Then after reading your article on how to meditate on the Scriptuers > >and > >> >> asking the Lord Jesus to help I recieved a desire to memorize Isaiah > >53 > >> >> then it came quite easily. I started off by visuallizing and drawing > >> >> what I saw in each sentence. What a blessing because revelation about > >> >> the strength of the arm of the Lord became established in my > >> >> soul. > So > >> >> thankyou for what your are doing, and I can quote the first 4 verses > >and > >> >> I am focused on the cross the power of God. I also carry a card with > >the > >> >> verses on, around with me. > >> >> > >> >> May God give peace to you, my Christian brothers, and love, with > faith > >> >> from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. God's grace and > >blessing > >> >> be upon all who love our Lord Jesus Christ. > >> >> Love, Betty Foote. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > =============================================================================== Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 10:52 AM Subject: Re: When do I go on to memorizing the next verse? From: Mark Connor Hi Brian, I havn't posted to this group in a very long time, but I know of a good way that may help. (note: the key part of this is later down...) What I do is figure out how many verses I want to memorize today, lets say 10 verses. So I read through those 10 verses a couple times to find out what they are saying, and to see if there is going to be a really difficult or easy verse in there. I memorize the first verse, to where I can say it without messing up. That is when I move on to the next verse. I get it perfect, then say the two verses together. If I mess up, or can't think of a word, I read through them until I can now say both verses together without looking. Then I go on to the 3rd verse, and so on. Until I have all 10 verses "memorized". Then I try to say all 10 of them perfectly, and if I can't think of a word, I read through them again, until I can say all 10 of them perfect. The thing I found though, is that I still don't have it memorized! (even though I can say it perfectly). I found that the way to get it totally memorized is to quote as much as you want that day, but when tomorrow comes, try to say all 10 verses without looking at all! If you can do that, then you have it memorized. To retain it you only have to review it every couple of days. If you can't say it without looking, then read through it and get it to the point to where you can say it without looking. (again) Wait till the next day and try to say it without looking again. Keep doing that until you can really say it without looking at the scripture. I found that is a really good way to get something memorized, and to keep from getting discouraged by difficult verses. Hope that helps! Mark --- Brian Janko wrote: > My question is, when memorizing a long section or > chapter, "how do you know > when to go on to the next verse?" > > I understand that we should memorize one verse at a > time without stringing > them together. And that we should start off by > reading the first verse > five > times aloud, and then try it from memory. If we > make a mistake, then we > need to read it five times aloud AGAIN.... and we > keep doing that (reading > it aloud 5x) until we can say it from memory without > "help, halt, or > hesitation." > > Here's what I find happening: I read the verse 5x, > then I try it by > memory. > I stumble. So I read the verse aloud 5 times again. > Now, I try it again > by > memory and get it perfect. However, RIGHT AFTER > that perfect rendering by > memory I try it a second time and stumble. > Sometimes I stumble a little > and > can say it again perfectly on the next try.... other > times I stumble to the > point where I start to doubt the details (is there > an "a" or a "the" > missing? and things like that). > > After the "reading aloud" part, and given that I can SOMETIMES say it > from memory withouth "halt, help, or hesitation" -- at > what point can I feel > that > I have memorized it sufficiently to go onto the next > verse? Only when > there > is NEVER halt, help, or hesitation? Or just if I > get it by memory right > THE > FIRST TIME? Or just as long as I can AT SOME POINT > say it without halt, > help, or hesitation? > > When do I go on to memorizing the next verse? > > Thanks, > Brian Janko > brianjankonet.com > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ =============================================================================== Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 2:38 PM Subject: Re: Long sections or single verses? From: Valeria Nunn I went to the mindmapping site; it looks very interesting. However, could you give me an example of you would mindmap, say the Sermon on the mount; or maybe something smaller like Psalm 1 or 23 for memorizing. I am afraid I am a little dense in understanding it completely when it comes to memorizing scripture. Thanks for your help Val at vnunnnetsync.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rev Donald McCorkindale" To: Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 10:52 AM Subject: Long sections or single verses? > Greetings! > > Long Sections or single verses? > > My experience has been that if you don't worry too much about being > word perfect but strive for "meaning perfect" - the words in fact > follow very accurately. I have studied memory technique and would > conclude that rather > than focusing on a verse we should look to the big picture. I have > the 1700 words or so of the "Sermon on the Mount" Matthew 5,6,& 7 > committed to memory - but I couldn't tell you what Matthew 6: 7 is for > example! Rather > than going over individual verses I have gone over the whole text - > listening to it on tape, while driving - running over it in my mind, > reading it and so on. Many links - some natural and some very > artificial glue the > sections together. Acrostics and associations keep the flow - Murder, > Adultery Divorce - the word MAD keeps these sections in the right > order! The same patterns are found in the section on religious duties, > prayer and > fasting - some of that is lost when focussing on one verse. > > The technique of Mindmapping I find invaluable in Christian Ministry > in so > many ways - again this keeps the big picture before us. > www.mind-map.com has some info. > > I have a concern that sometimes in the desire to "know the scriptures" > we omit to "understand the scriptures". I find - go for > understanding first > - > and the words follow. On a number of occasions I have "preached the sermon > on the mount", without notes and to much effect - and transforming > influence in others. > > I invite you to rise to the challenge - read the sermon on the mount > in modern translation, record yourself reading it, listen to it or > read it through just once a day for a fortnight. Don't try to > memorize it or worry > about precise words, and you will find its meaning is absorbed into heart, > mind and life. > > with all good wishes and every blessing... > > Rev Donald McCorkindale > Dalgety Bay, Scotland > www.dalgety-church.org.uk > > > > > =============================================================================== Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 2:38 PM Subject: Another memorization tip From: Christman, Robert I've been watching this group and I appreciate all your encouragement. Like most of you, I see the value of memorizing scripture, don't do it enough, and have trouble with long-term recall. I offer the following suggestions that have been helpful to me. (1) Like many have suggested, I print each verse out on a card that I can carry with me and review whenever possible. I use a 2-3/4 by 1-3/4 inch card. For starters, I used cards of that size from some navigator materials. That size is a little more convenient than business-card size, and a stack of them fits into a business-card sized pouch that I keep with me. (2) I try to always have one verse that I am working on, so I can always have a goal. Sometimes I get away from daily memory work, but having that verse in front of me reminds me to get back into it. I keep this new verse in the front of my daily pack. (3) I also prepare a card as soon as I find a verse that I want to learn, so I always have a backlog of available verses. (4) On the front of the card, I include the reference, topic, text of the verse, and which version of the Bible it's from. I started memorizing using the KJV, and I want to keep those verses, but I now mostly use the NIV for reading and new memorizing. (5) This next one is my key point/idea/suggestion - On the back of the card I also print the reference, topic, and which version of the Bible it's from, but instead of the text of the verse, I print the first letter of each word. I include punctuation and capitalization of the letters. I find this helpful during review. Only having the letters forces me to think and remember the words, allows me to check myself as I go, and I can always flip it over to double-check myself or fill in where I forget a word or phrase. When I am just reading a verse over and over, I sometimes feel that I am not forced to really think about it, but the letters-only approach seems more productive to me. It amazes me how I can identify the letters and recall the verse, even without a reference. Try it - does "BGcHltu,it,wwwys,Cdfu" make sense to you? Try reading the letters out loud to yourself, pause at the commas, and use the hint that G,J,C,L,or H, when capitalized, probably refer to a name or title of God. The same trick of letters-only works for memorizing an entire passage, it just takes a bigger piece of paper. (6) After I memorize a new verse, using many of your previous suggestions of repeating it to myself, doing a phrase at a time, learning the meaning of the verse, and applying it to my life, I turn it over in my daily pack and from then on, I try to recall it using just the letters. I review the verses in my daily pack until I am sure that I know them perfectly. (7) After I "know" a verse, it still needs review, probably forever. I have three separate stacks of verses - ones that I know well and review only seldom, ones I know pretty well and review occasionally, and new ones that know (sort of) which I review frequently. The goal is to move the card from one stack to another - A - The verses I want to memorize - to: B - The one verse I am working on now - to: C - The verses I memorized recently but need to review daily - to: D - The verses I have memorized and review once every week or two - to: E - The verses I know and review once every month or two - to: F - The verses I really know and review only seldom. (8) For verses where I cannot keep the reference straight, I sometimes consider the first 1, 2, or 3 words as part of the reference. So for example, I might write the verse "Rom 5:8ButGod --- cHltu,it,wwwys,Cdfu." (9) I admit it, I'm a computer junky. I use Microsoft Word to create a table and copy verses from my On-line Bible http://www.onlinebible.net/index.html to the table cells, and then I enter the letters-only portion onto the corresponding table cell on the second (flip side) page, and print them out. I also used the On-line Bible verse-list feature to extract a bunch of verses and print them on some pages that I carry in my day planner. I can fit about 15-20 verses on a 5.5" x 8.5" page, so I can carry 200-400 verses (full text) in my planner. (10) I also (I said I was a computer junky) have a Word macro that cycles through my list of "known" verses and print the letters-only and References for about 6 verses onto each day's planner page for review during otherwise wasted moments - like while on telephone hold. This macro also prints events, anniversaries, daily and monthly reminders, etc. on the appropriate page, so I have a very customized planner. I may not do everything on my to-do list, but it's a great to-do list. (11) I have also recorded the verses on a cassette and micro-cassette, and sometimes play them in the car or when going to sleep. I recorded them with the reference, then a pause the length of time it takes me to say the reference and first phrase, then I record the first phrase, then a pause for the second phrase, then the second phrase, etc. That way listening to them can be an active experience to check with myself how well I know it, and also be used for learning. (12) I record the reference again at the end of the verse. Always when saying the verse, I say the reference before and after the verse. Have I been perfect? - of course not! Is God impressed by us memorizing scripture? - three guesses - He already knows what's there. Is it helpful - YES - God's word is powerful, and I want to be able to know, recall and apply it throughout my life. I hope these suggestions, especially #5, help in your memorization. Bob Christman Diebold, Inc. Systems Technical Specialist 5995 Mayfair Road Phone 330-490-5789 PO Box 3077 Fax 330-490-6433 North Canton, OH 44720 Email: christrdiebold.com =============================================================================== Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 2:38 PM Subject: Re: Long sections or single verses? From: My problem is having a bad memory have tried allsorts of ways to memorize, and unfortunately i forget before i finished reading it. i have to keep going back and back by the time i've slept on it, it's gone completely. Not very good at memorizing. So have no feasable imput blessings and keep reading the word jean =============================================================================== Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 6:07 PM Subject: Re: Long sections or single verses? From: James Kephart Dear Jean Evans, I teach a class of seniors to memorize every Wednesday night and have often heard your plaint of bad memory, but have never seen it to prove true. You may be the exception, but I doubt it. As Satan told Eve, "You will not die," it may be that he is the one that lies to seniors about their memory. My seniors are somewhat amazed to find they can memorize. As you memorize scripture you will get more confidence and the confidence makes it seem that you become a better memorizer. I memorize the different meditations at http://www.threethirtyclub.com. Each meditation has about 15 verses plus the Lords Prayer. It takes me about three weeks to get one down perfectly, word for word so I can say it without halt, help, or hesitation. I am a slow learner. My wife and a friend or two can cut that time in half. You can go to http://www.threethirtyclub.com/how_to_memorize_a_meditation.htm and get the instructions. Also, memorizing scripture is much like singing. If you practice aloud, you will be able to recite it quicker. Some people try to memorize silently....... Doesn't work. James L. Kephart ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 11:37 AM Subject: Re: Long sections or single verses? > My problem is having a bad memory have tried allsorts of ways to memorize, > and unfortunately i forget before i finished reading it. i have to > keep going back and back by the time i've slept on it, it's gone > completely. Not very good at memorizing. So have no feasable imput > > blessings and keep reading the word > > jean > > > > > > > =============================================================================== Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 6:06 PM Subject: Re: Memorization From: Elizabeth Friend Hello Jim, You were right, My oldest daughter, Rachael, Is already going beyond our memorization time. I'm writing to you because I can't get the threethirty club to come up. Do I have to have something special downloaded into my computer to make it work. I would really like to go to that site, if you have any suggestions. Thanks, Elizabeth -----Original Message----- From: James Kephart To: biblememmemoryverses.org Date: Friday, May 25, 2001 11:42 AM Subject: Re: Memorization >To Elizabeth and Linda, >You can include your children in your memory work by asking them to "coach" >you. Make a goal of saying your memory work, say in about a month >before the family or someone and ask your child to coach you to do >that. Coaching is easy. You can learn all about it at >http://www.threethirtyclub.com. They will feel good about helping Mom >with her memory work, and might get the idea to do some memory work >themselves. > >Jim Kephart > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Elizabeth Friend" >To: >Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 2:31 PM >Subject: Re: Memorization > > >> Hello Linda. >> >> Thank you so much for the suggestions. I never thought to include my >> children in my memorization endeavors. I think that just might be >> the answer, and it would certainly benefit them as well. It might >> even help >> me >> to be more diligent. I'll let you know how it works out. >> Thanks again, and Lord bless! A sister in Christ, Liz >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Edwards >> To: biblememmemoryverses.org >> Date: Thursday, May 10, 2001 10:55 PM >> Subject: Re: Memorization >> >> >> >Hello Liz! >> > >> >How well I can relate! I also was a homeschooling mother. >> > >> >Perhaps you could insist on a quiet time at a certain time of day. >> >The younger child are sure to need a rest or nap time. The older >> >children could quietly read or rest or join you in your memorization >> >venture. It is always >> >difficult to start a new routine, and I'm sure the children will >complain >> >about resting, but you will probably find that it will be beneficial >> >to everyone in the long run. >> > >> >God Bless! >> >Linda >> > >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: Elizabeth Friend >> >To: >> >Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 6:21 PM >> >Subject: Re: Memorization >> > >> > >> >> Hello, My name is Liz and I'm a homeschooling mother of 5 girls. >> >> I >> also >> >> run a daycare in my home and often have children here until 8:00 >> >> in >the >> >> evening. I've been trying to memorize scripture, but by the time I've >> >> gotten my house cleaned up at night, I sit down with bible open >> >> and >> fall >> >> asleep before I've finished reading the first passage. I'm trying >> >> to organize my time because it's so much more important to know >> >> the word >of >> >> God. I'm open to any suggestions.-----Original Message----- >> >> From: James Kephart >> >> To: biblememmemoryverses.org >> >> Date: Thursday, April 26, 2001 8:39 PM >> >> Subject: Re: Memorization >> >> >> >> >> >> >To Betty Foote..... >> >> >Congratulations on your success in starting to memorize. One >> >> >thing I >> >can >> >> >tell you, is don't get uptight about it. If you will relax, it >> >> >will >> >come. >> >> >Just take a verse at a time, memorize it then move on to the next >> verse. >> >> >Don't worry if a day later you don't seem to remember the first >verse. >> >> Get >> >> >all the chapter or section done one verse at a time before you >> >> >start >> >> trying >> >> >to string the verses together. Then start over, again one verse >> >> >at a >> >> time. >> >> >You will find that the second time around, the verses come much >easier. >> >> By >> >> >the third time around, you will know your individual verses good >enough >> >to >> >> >start stringing them together. Many people make the mistake of doing >> >one >> >> >verse, then two, then stringing those two and then trying for >> >> >three, stringing them. By the time they get to the end, they >> >> >know the first >> >> three >> >> >verses well and the rest not so good. This you don't want. You want >> to >> >> >know all the passage. I hope this makes sense to you. I have >> >personally >> >> >coached many people, and this has been the best way for large >passages. >> >> >Also, if you can get someone to meet with you about 30 minutes a week >> to >> >> >coach you, it is very beneficial. >> >> >Blessings! Keep up the good work. God will use what memorize do >> >> >to >do >> >> >great things because his word doesn't go out void. >> >> >James L. Kephart >> >> > >> >> >http://threethirtyclub.com >> >> > >> >> >MrKephartaol.com >> >> > >> >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >> >From: "mrs foote" >> >> >To: >> >> >Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 10:00 AM >> >> >Subject: Memorization >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> Dear Stephen, >> >> >> I have just been reading all the dialogue between all the >> >> >> members >of >> >> >> this site, thinking that I really battle to memorize anything. >> >> >> Then after reading your article on how to meditate on the >Scriptuers >> >and >> >> >> asking the Lord Jesus to help I recieved a desire to memorize >Isaiah >> >53 >> >> >> then it came quite easily. I started off by visuallizing and >drawing >> >> >> what I saw in each sentence. What a blessing because revelation >about >> >> >> the strength of the arm of the Lord became established in my soul. >> So >> >> >> thankyou for what your are doing, and I can quote the first 4 >verses >> >and >> >> >> I am focused on the cross the power of God. I also carry a card >with >> >the >> >> >> verses on, around with me. >> >> >> >> >> >> May God give peace to you, my Christian brothers, and love, >> >> >> with >> faith >> >> >> from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. God's grace and >> >blessing >> >> >> be upon all who love our Lord Jesus Christ. >> >> >> Love, Betty Foote. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > =============================================================================== Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 6:06 PM Subject: Hi!! From: Joslyn C. Ryder Re: Subscribe biblemem Hi All!! It is such a blessing to be able to join a bible memorization group. I have battled with trying to memorize scripture and I have finally decided that Satan was not going to win. I have been told by friends in bible study that when one tries to memorize the Word, one can come up against obstacles because it is God's Word. I do believe that, but I have now chosen to not let Satan win!! Thanks and God Bless!! Joslyn ===============================================================================