Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 11:21 AM Subject: Re: Words or ideas ? From: "William A. Shobel, CFP, CMFC" I am interested in how you heard about Supermemo and if it is working for you. Also, what is your age and have you had any feedback from older individuals using this to improve their memory? Thanks much, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tay S C" To: Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 11:21 AM Subject: Words or ideas ? > Hi everyone, > > It is very encouraging to find out that there is actually a list on the web > on memorising the word.I have been reminded of the vital need to memorise > and meditate on the word recently,many years after starting on the > navigators packs. > > Some one made the comment that memorising the topic and verse creates the > situation where the mind is conditioned such that the topic and verse has > to > be repeated before the verse can be recalled.This convinced me of the > advantages,in the long run,of memorising chapters of the bible instead. > > As I see it,there are two approaches.The vertical and the horizontal.From > the postings,I perceive that most use the former,where a chapter is > memorised word perfect before going to the next.The alternative is to start > with memorising the sections ,then the books of the bible,understanding the > main themes of each book , then each chapter.Once that is accomplished, one > can then proceed to memorise the detailed ideas of each chapter expressing > them in words as close to our chosen version as possible. > > The advantage of this method,which I intend to adopt,is that it is more > realistic and achievable and enables a more balanced view of the whole > bible.Has anyone tried this approach? > > I read somewhere that professors in Ethiopia have to memorise the entire > bible to qualify for the job.It would be interesting to find out how they > did it! > > Also,has anyone tried the supermemo software?It sets the frequency of > review > ,based on our self appraised performance,to optimise our time on task.The > content to be memorised is programmed by the user, who may decide to share > it on the supermemo website,either for free or for a fee or produce a > licenced CD Rom.So far there has been no programme for memorising the > bible.Perhaps some one would like to consider it ? > The URL is http://www.supermemo.com > > All the best, > > nezheng1 > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > =============================================================================== Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 8:21 AM Subject: Re: Re:From Ben From: "Lloyd Douglas" Dear Ben: I appreciated your response to my input on Scripture memory. I have found that I am most consistent in memorizing Scripture when I meet with one or more other men. I would encourage you to pray for other men who have an interest in building their walk with Jesus Christ through the Word. I should mention that I taught a the Evangelical Theological College for one summer course in Addis Ababa in Ethiopia in 1998. It was a great experience for me to spend a brief time in that part of Africa. I have been praying at different time for the many needs there are in many parts of Africa. May God continue to encourage you day by day through the Word. in Christ, Lloyd Douglas, Genesis 18:27 ----- Original Message ----- From: "ben bonni" To: Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 8:21 AM Subject: Re:From Ben > Dear Douglas, > > Thank you for your mail.My Benjamin I am living west Africa contry of > Togo.I > have memorizing scripture for the past ten years.I am doing good in the > Lord.I am learning the Roman 12 and hope by the end this month I will > finished it.If you have any encouragement for me I will appreciate it alot. > God bless you for your endeavor. > Ben > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > =============================================================================== Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 8:21 AM Subject: Re: Re: From: "Lloyd Douglas" Keith I have usually followed the Navigators material in the Topical Memory System. Right now I am teaching the original 2:7 material which incorporate Scripture memory in every course. There are several suggestions that the material provides in the initial courses. I would like to know if your would like methods for memorizing or suggested topics. in Christ, Lloyd, 1 Cor. 15:58 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Phillips" To: Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 8:21 AM Subject: Re: > Thank you, send me a sample how to memorise Scripture. > > Keith > > At 04:45 PM 8/29/00 -0500, you wrote: > >Randy: > > > >I commend you for your desire to take initiative at your age to memorize > >Scripture. I am one year older and I am working on retention for the > >Topical Memory System package. It has been great! I have found practical > >situations on a daily basis in which I meditate on a specific verse (i.e. > >Isaiah 40:10 Do not fear, for I am with you, Do not anxiously look about > >for I am your God. I will strengthen you, surely I will help you, surely > I > >will uphold you with my righteous right hand.) > > > >With this system you follow a pattern -- topic, reference, verse [word for > >word], topic. Review, review, review. Meditate. > > > >Start with the first five assurance verses-- 1 John 5:11,12 -Salvation; > >John > >16:24-Answered prayer; > >1 Cor. 10:13-Victory; 1 John 1:9-Forgiveness; Proverbs 3:5,6 - Guidance. > > > >If you have the opportunity as well, you can begin to encourage new > >believers in their walk because these verses are a good way for them to > >begin to rely on the truths of the Word. > > > >in Christ, > >Lloyd Douglas, > >Gals. 6:9,10 > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Randy Nelson" > >To: > >Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 9:31 PM > > > > > >> For years I have tried to memorize Scripture. There is a lot of verses > >> in my head, but recalling the references have been difficult. I have > >> found myself in situations where I have been shown to not be the "work > >> man" in the Lord that I should be. I am 49 years old, and beleive it is > >> still not too late for me to get a better grasp on Scripture. This is > >> my desire for personal growth and for being a better witness. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =============================================================================== Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 10:21 AM Subject: Re: MEMORIZATION From: "Randy Nelson" Hi Veda, Here are a few Bible memorization tips that help me. Become familiar with the context around the verse. For example: Genesis 24:40 The Lord will send His angel and prosper my way. (This is not the whole verse, but the part that I want to focus on.) Know the story surrounding the verse. The Lord blesses Abraham for his faithfulness in not withholding Isaac from sacrifice knowing God would still provide the promise through Isaac by raising him up. Invision Abraham, an old man and morning for his beloved wife Sarah. (23:1, 2). Watch him bury her. (23:19). Abraham goes to his oldest, trusted servant asking him to get a wife for his son Isaac, the son of promise, from his homeland (Genesis 24:2- 4) Abraham reassures his servant that surely God will provide, He will send his angel ahead of him to see to it that the journey is successful. The servant is familiar with what God has done in Abraham's life and shows us through his prayer, that he embraces the same faith that Abraham demonstrated in his life. (24:12 -14) The servant if expecting God to answer as he waits by the desert well. He watches carefully as a young girl comes to water the camels (24:20, 21) and he falls down in praise to God worshipping God for His faithfulness and kindness. (24:26) In your mind watch the servant, Rebekah, and the camels head home to Rebekah's brother, Laban. Notice how she is dressed. Become familiar with the geographical area, the desert terrain, their housing, their customs. See them greet each other and listen to the servant explain the reason for his journey and how wonderfully faithful God is in sending Rebekah. Then the servant speaks the very words of the verse that is the promise to me and you in our situations too. "The Lord will send His angels and prosper my way." This is in the first person because the promises to Abraham are also promises to you and to me. The Bible is full of personal promises that are prescriptions for healing, protection, wisdom, etc. I also write out the verse and see how many questions I can make out of the verse and answer my own questions. It helps to break down the different grammatical parts, such as being especially alert for verbs, etc. When I do my devotions I pray different verses out loud often. I write down the reverence with book, chapter and verse, but most of my concentrating is only on the book and chapter. My mind usually picks up the verse. It helps me to connect events in my life with the numbers in the verse, such as having my first child when I was 24 and noticing the repetition of the two fours connecting chapter and verse. It is helpful to look up words in the verse in the dictionary, such as prosper. Writing it down on index cards helps too. Use repetitious daily needs, as going to the bathroom, opening the refrigerator, getting a drink of water, etc. as times to repeat your verse. Let them be triggers for review time. Just eat the verse savoring every aspect of it. Reading the Bible Code has given me a new awareness of the dimension of the Word of God. The words from the Bible are not flat. They have depth. They are like a hologram. The Bible, each Scripture, is like the top of the ocean that you can see with your eyes, or read with your mind, but there is an essence contained in the words of the Bible that is deeper than the depth of the ocean. We know the surface of the verse, but there is a depth of meaning and promise beneath. Our God is so big and we can not fathom his majesty, and His Word is like Him. I too wish I had much more ability to memorize and recall Scriptures. Once when I had a high fever. As I rested in bed half asleep, eues closed and I read the Bible. I read it in my mind, in my sub-conscience. The state I was in was a kind of sub-dream state, but as I was reading I marveled that what I was reading was indeed the Word of God and it was accurate, and I saw myself on the bed with a high fever, eyes closed with no book to look at. This only happened once, and it is a comfort to me that my sub-conscience knows a lot more of the Word of God than my conscious mind does. Putting your verses to music is great and seems to increase retention for me. I learned Psalm 91 through music and my Sunday School Junior class of 5th and 6th graders learned it with me. You have that websight- Thy Word Creations. They do an excellent job. Time is something I have too little of, and my desire is greater than what I actually achieve, but these little tips are offered as something that has helped me. It also helps to give your Scriptures as "gifts" to another person by just telling them about a particular Scripture I have given you the gift of Genesis 24:40 tonight. In the Love of Christ, Vickie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Veda Huie" To: Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 10:21 AM Subject: MEMORIZATION > HELLO, > STUDYING THE WORD OF GOD HAS BECOME AN URGENT PRIORITY IN MY LIFE. I AM > HUNGRY FOR THE WORD TO TAKE PERMANENCY IN MY THOUGHT LIFE. I AM A BLIND > PERSON AND THE ONLY WAY FOR ME TO GAIN MORE OF THE WORD IS TO MEMORIZE > IT. I LISTEN TO THE BIBLE ON TAPE AND READ IT ON LINE AND EVEN TRY TO KEEP > MANY OF THE VERSES IN MY MEMORY BANK, BUT THEY DO NOT SEEM TO BE STAYING > FOR LONG. I CAN REPEAT THE VERSES IF I HEAR SOMEONE ELSE SAYING THEM, BUT > IT IS DIFFICULT TO RECALL THEM ON MY OWN. I KNOW THAT I AM MISSING A LOT > WHEN I CANNOT RECALL THE WORD OF GOD READILY. IT IS MOST IMPORTANT TO ME > AT THE TIME OF WITNESSING WHEN I NEED TO SHARE THE WORD WITH THE PERSON I > AM WITNESSING TO AND CANNOT RECALL THE CORRECT VERSE AT THAT MOMENT. > > PLEASE HELP ME WITH YOUR ADVICE AS TO HOW I CAN ACHIEVE THIS GOAL WHICH IS > MOST IMPERATIVE TO ME IN MY SPIRITUAL GROWTH. > > VEDA. > > > > > > > =============================================================================== Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 6:06 PM Subject: Re: Re:From Ben From: "Patrick Salmon" I've found flash cards to be effective. Given the nature of my job, I spend a lot of time on the highway. Instead of being the chore it used to be God directed me to turn it into a "Praise Mobile" - a selection of cd's, time in prayer and just talking to God mixed with the occasional flash card. I've come to treasure my road trips as a result. God is good!!! Patrick Salmon CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lloyd Douglas" To: Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 6:06 PM Subject: Re: Re:From Ben > Dear Ben: > > I appreciated your response to my input on Scripture memory. I have found > that I am most consistent in memorizing Scripture when I meet with one or > more other men. I would encourage you to pray for other men who have an > interest in building their walk with Jesus Christ through the Word. > > I should mention that I taught a the Evangelical Theological College for > one > summer course in Addis Ababa in Ethiopia in 1998. It was a great > experience > for me to spend a brief time in that part of Africa. I have been praying > at > different time for the many needs there are in many parts of Africa. > > May God continue to encourage you day by day through the Word. > > in Christ, > Lloyd Douglas, > Genesis 18:27 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ben bonni" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 8:21 AM > Subject: Re:From Ben > > > > Dear Douglas, > > > > Thank you for your mail.My Benjamin I am living west Africa contry of > > Togo.I > > have memorizing scripture for the past ten years.I am doing good in the > > Lord.I am learning the Roman 12 and hope by the end this month I will > > finished it.If you have any encouragement for me I will appreciate it > alot. > > God bless you for your endeavor. > > Ben > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 17:06:12 -0500 Subject: Re: From: It is never to late to " hide God's word in your heart:" I have found flashcards to be helpfull. I have tried memory systems before but lacked ( at the time ) the singlemindedness to complete the program. IThank you for the tips and encouragement. I'd like to begin in Hebrews. =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 17:05:50 -0500 Subject: Re: MEMORIZATION From: "Roger E. Doriot" Dear Vida, My husband, Roger, will be home one Tuesday. We have a blind friend who loves the Lord. He and his wife live in Ohio. I will forward your letter to him. Hope he can be helpful! In Christ, Suzanne =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 17:06:16 -0500 Subject: Check out Welcome to The Three Thirty Club. Meditate! Memorize! From: Click here: Welcome to The Three Thirty Club. Meditate! Memorize! Today! This is a system our church has used for about 25 years. If used as instructed, it is a good way to teach your new people to memorize scripture. Jim Kephart =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 16:52:05 -0500 Subject: Re: Words or ideas ? From: "Tay S C" Hi Bill, I came across SuperMemo while doing a search on memorisation on the web.I have not tried the system myself.I feel that the system is useful as it enables one to do self asessment and it then sets the review frequency accordingly,automaticallly.As I mentioned, no one seems to haved used it to memorise scripture before. yours, nezheng1 >From: "William A. Shobel, CFP, CMFC" >Reply-To: biblememistar.ca >To: biblememistar.ca >Subject: Re: Words or ideas ? >Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 17:05:57 -0500 > >I am interested in how you heard about Supermemo and if it is working for >you. > >Also, what is your age and have you had any feedback from older individuals >using this to improve their memory? > >Thanks much, >Bill > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tay S C" >To: >Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 11:21 AM >Subject: Words or ideas ? > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > It is very encouraging to find out that there is actually a list on the >web > > on memorising the word.I have been reminded of the vital need to >memorise > > and meditate on the word recently,many years after starting on the > > navigators packs. > > > > Some one made the comment that memorising the topic and verse creates >the > > situation where the mind is conditioned such that the topic and verse >has > > to > > be repeated before the verse can be recalled.This convinced me of the > > advantages,in the long run,of memorising chapters of the bible instead. > > > > As I see it,there are two approaches.The vertical and the >horizontal.From > > the postings,I perceive that most use the former,where a chapter is > > memorised word perfect before going to the next.The alternative is to >start > > with memorising the sections ,then the books of the bible,understanding >the > > main themes of each book , then each chapter.Once that is accomplished, >one > > can then proceed to memorise the detailed ideas of each chapter >expressing > > them in words as close to our chosen version as possible. > > > > The advantage of this method,which I intend to adopt,is that it is more > > realistic and achievable and enables a more balanced view of the whole > > bible.Has anyone tried this approach? > > > > I read somewhere that professors in Ethiopia have to memorise the entire > > bible to qualify for the job.It would be interesting to find out how >they > > did it! > > > > Also,has anyone tried the supermemo software?It sets the frequency of > > review > > ,based on our self appraised performance,to optimise our time on >task.The > > content to be memorised is programmed by the user, who may decide to >share > > it on the supermemo website,either for free or for a fee or produce a > > licenced CD Rom.So far there has been no programme for memorising the > > bible.Perhaps some one would like to consider it ? > > The URL is http://www.supermemo.com > > > > All the best, > > > > nezheng1 > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 16:51:59 -0500 Subject: Re: From: can i join in too? what part of Hebrews =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 23:52:58 -0500 Subject: Thanks from Indonesia From: "Roger E. Doriot" At 10:21 AM 09/10/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Dear Douglas, > >Thank you for your mail.My Benjamin I am living west Africa contry of >Togo.I Thank you for your email, Benjamin! I'm sure the Lord will bless you and use you as you continue to memorize Scripture. I'll send you some news and prayer requests from here also, so we can keep in touch - and so you can have a part in reaching some of the unreached people here. What do you do there? Yours in Christ, Roger Doriot http://www.jesus-connect.net/world/jesus/Doriot =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 23:52:52 -0500 Subject: RE: Re:From Ben From: "Tezeta Taye" Yes ride on Patrick, I too spend a lot of time on the high way every day. As well my car is sure is a Praise Mobile, may the Lord bless you in everyway. i also have a flash card in the, at work place, in the kitchen.... My prayer this days is for the LORD to give us wisdom on how to use our time wisely, i always hear christians complaining about not having time to pray or read the word. How can then will we be able to survive the dark days that's ahead of us? > -----Original Message----- > From: Patrick Salmon [mailto:psalmoncleanweb.net] > Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 5:52 PM > To: biblememistar.ca > Subject: Re: Re:From Ben > > > I've found flash cards to be effective. > > Given the nature of my job, I spend a lot of time on the highway. Instead > of > being the chore it used to be God directed me to turn it into a "Praise > Mobile" - a selection of cd's, time in prayer and just talking to > God mixed > with the occasional flash card. > > I've come to treasure my road trips as a result. God is good!!! > > Patrick Salmon > CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lloyd Douglas" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 6:06 PM > Subject: Re: Re:From Ben > > > > Dear Ben: > > > > I appreciated your response to my input on Scripture memory. I have > found > > that I am most consistent in memorizing Scripture when I meet > with one or > > more other men. I would encourage you to pray for other men who have an > > interest in building their walk with Jesus Christ through the Word. > > > > I should mention that I taught a the Evangelical Theological College for > > one > > summer course in Addis Ababa in Ethiopia in 1998. It was a great > > experience > > for me to spend a brief time in that part of Africa. I have > been praying > > at > > different time for the many needs there are in many parts of Africa. > > > > May God continue to encourage you day by day through the Word. > > > > in Christ, > > Lloyd Douglas, > > Genesis 18:27 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "ben bonni" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 8:21 AM > > Subject: Re:From Ben > > > > > > > Dear Douglas, > > > > > > Thank you for your mail.My Benjamin I am living west Africa contry of > > > Togo.I > > > have memorizing scripture for the past ten years.I am doing > good in the > > > Lord.I am learning the Roman 12 and hope by the end this month I will > > > finished it.If you have any encouragement for me I will appreciate it > > alot. > > > God bless you for your endeavor. > > > Ben > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 23:52:40 -0500 Subject: Re: Re:From Ben From: Lorry Schoenly Amen, Patrick! I do the same thing! I took a job 4 years ago that requires an hour and 15 minute commute. I was complaining to God about it one day early in the job and He reminded me that it was extra quiet time with Him! Well, I started putting the time to good use with some excellend praise Cd's and some verse index cards and now I wouldn't trade my regular time with Him in the car each day for anything. People will ask me how I have time to memorize scripture and I tell them my story. After over three years of this process I have over 500 verses memorized. I divide them up by days of the week and review them for 30 minutes of each trip that day. I always have a few new verses to be learning and concentrate on them when I'm stopped at lights or in traffic jams [since I have to actually read them]. I have a couple web pages and discussion groups started. The information is at the bottom of this email. Lorry On Fri, 06 Oct 2000 16:52:13 -0500 "Patrick Salmon" writes: > I've found flash cards to be effective. > > Given the nature of my job, I spend a lot of time on the highway. > Instead > of > being the chore it used to be God directed me to turn it into a > "Praise > Mobile" - a selection of cd's, time in prayer and just talking to > God mixed > with the occasional flash card. > > I've come to treasure my road trips as a result. God is good!!! > > Patrick Salmon Lorry Schoenly Spiritual Disciplines Webpage: http://www.suite101.com/myhome.cfm/spiritual_life Spiritual Disciplines Email List: http://www.egroups.com/group/spiritualdisciplines James Memory Webpage: http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com:6010/ivyhall/lorryschoenly/ James Memory Email List: http://www.egroups.com/group/jamesmemory ===============================================================================