Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 4:01 PM Subject: InVerse freeware: PrintPassage update 3.4.b available From: Lynn David Allan Version 3.4.b of the InVerse Scripture memorization software is now available at no charge from the following locations: http://home.att.net/~bibleinverse/Download/InVerseSetup.exe http://groups.yahoo.com/group/InVerse/files/InVerseSetup.exe The official homepage is at: http://www.bibleinverse.org There is a screen shot at: http://home.att.net/~bibleinverse/Download/Psalms_119_11.jpg There are a series of 17 animated slide shows that demonstrate InVerse at: http://home.att.net/~eeinverse/training.htm New for 3.4: Print-Passage New for 3.3.02: Select-Translation New for 3.3.01: Add-Passage, Edit-Passage For His glory and honor, Lynn Allan =============================================================================== Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 6:14 PM Subject: New member From: David Baldwin Dear All, I'm so very pleased to have found this discussion list on Scripture memory! Already I've found much help by simply reading through the archives of yesteryear's discussions. (I should clarify - some, not all of the archives, as they're rather extensive.) I look forward to 'virtually' getting to know you through this correspondence and hope that we will be mutually encouraged by one another's faith. I suppose I need to give the obligatory introduction of myself now! I began memorizing Scripture about 10 years ago as a result of the excellent example of my wife. She was always quoting Scripture and I was impressed but skeptical as to the ROI; i.e., return on investment. Certainly I could appreciate the discipline required to memorize but questioned the value to do so as I could read large passages much more easily than memorizing even a few verses. I thought to myself, however, that I couldn't knock what I hadn't tried, so I plunged in and began an adventure that has more greatly affected my life than anything else during these past ten years. In addition to memorizing the Word, I've been very interested in presenting the fruits of my labor in theatrical settings. I've found that dramatically presenting Scripture while remaining faithful to the text provides insight and encouragement to audiences - insight into the meaning of the text and encouragement to memorize and meditate on God's Word. Thus I'm particularly interested in hearing from others who share a common interest. In one of the archived emails I read of a gentleman intending to memorize the New Testament over the course of 10 years. I wish I could say I had learned so much of the Word over the 10 years I've been memorizing but, alas, I'm no where close. I've realized as I've contemplated the math of my latest project - The Acts of the Apostles - that I must pick up the pace and do some serious, disciplined study if I expect to finish the book in any reasonable amount of time. I hope that this group might play some role in holding my feet to the fire to insure that this happens. In Christ, David Baldwin -----Original Message----- From: biblememmemoryverses.org [mailto:biblememmemoryverses.org] Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 10:13 PM To: David Baldwin Subject: Welcome to the Biblemem list! dbaldwinperformart.net has been added to the biblemem mailing list. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Welcome to the Bible Memory Discussion List ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- "How can a young man keep his way pure? By living according to your word. I seek you with all my heart; do not let me stray from your commands. I have hidden your word in my heart that I might not sin against you." Psalm 119:9-11 The Bible memory list is designed to encourage friendly discussion on the topic of Bible memorization. Please post a message to the list to introduce yourself. Messages to the list should be sent to: biblememmemoryverses.org If you read through the scriptures, you will easily see that knowledge of the word of God is vital to a close relationship with God. Of course, head knowledge alone is not good enough. It must be understood and applied to your life. Meditation, prayer and Bible study play a key role in understanding. Clearly, if you have memorized portions of the word of God, it makes meditation much more profitable. Also, all who have grown to a certain level of maturity must teach the things they know to others. For a brief article on why scripture memorization is important to the growth of a Christian, you may want to read my article at http://www.memoryverses.org/why.htm. But, to master this discipline is very difficult ... Purposes of this list: - To collect together a group of people who have a desire to make the memorization of scripture and meditation on what has been memorized a significant portion of their lives. - I would like to bring together a group of people whose goal is to commit to memory large portions of Scripture. My ultimate goal, is to memorize as much of the New testiment as I can, and to take as many people along with me as I can. - These people can share ideas, encourage one another, set goals and be accountable to one another for progress and be praying for one another. - To discuss how we can help others, such as our children, Sunday School class and Church friends, etc., learn to love memorizing scripture. - To discuss various tools, props and aids which are effective in the memorization and review of scripture. This includes everything from verse cards to mnemonic devices. If your goal is to memorize many chapters of scripture, then the organization and presentation of the material is critical. These tools and methods must be developed. - To discuss how time and other activities can be scheduled to allow for what we want to accomplish, while still maintaining balance in all other areas of life. - To share the blessings of knowing the word of God. - Memorization of information is not enough. It must be learned permanently, it must be understood and applied. Review, study and meditation is a key component of any scripture memory system. Discussion of these topics is welcome. 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Please do not stray from this topic. 3) It is assumed that the Bible is the inspired, inerrant, word of God and as such has authority over our lives. 4) Do not send requests for personal information to the entire list. These types of messages should be sent directly to the individual. 5) Do not make negative personal comments to or about any individual on the list. Ideas are fair game for debate, but the individuals who hold these ideas should be treated with respect. 6) Please limit the amount of quoted text when you reply to a somebody's post. Generally a sentence or two is enough. --------- List Owner: Stephen Simpson (ssimpsonmemoryverses.org) http://www.memoryverses.org - The Scripture Memory Connection =============================================================================== Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 6:14 PM Subject: Memorizing long passages From: David Baldwin Hey Mark, A question for those you who have memorized large portions of Scripture: How do you keep all your memorized work in your head all the time? I've wrestled with this for many years now and recently came up with a system that I think will work. I by no means claim that the system is perfect and would sure appreciate other ideas. For those who are interested I'll outline what I'm doing: 1) Supermemo o Supermemo is a memory program located at supermemo.com. It's not exactly user-friendly and I wouldn't spring for the $40.00 price tag unless you're a computer geek as I am, but it does seem quite powerful. Basically, I've got it set up to quiz me on my Scripture memory on a daily basis. Those passages I do well on I don't see again for a while. But those passages that I recite poorly I see quite frequently until I get them down! 2) A microphone o So if I just quoted a chapter, how do I know I really got every word correct? Well I've got a microphone hooked up to my computer so that I can review and keep myself honest! 3) Stay hungry! o I realize that it is evidence of my own carnal nature, but sometimes memorizing Scripture is more a chore than a pleasure. To combat this I look for opportunities to present the Bible on stage. Scripture is quite effective in oral presentation (I'm sure many of you own recordings of the Bible) and sharing that effectiveness with others is an opportunity that gives me joy and keeps me motivated. Thanks in advance for input. David =============================================================================== Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 6:14 PM Subject: Hello, we are new From: Nancy Paurus Hello Everyone, We are a homeschooling family of three, Mom, 16 yr old son, and 11 yr old daughter. It's been a rough year for us with chronic illnesses of Mother's and Son's that keep us going to the doctor quite frequently. We tend to stay home a lot, now being winter in Minnesota. God has blessed us with several pets to care for and love: two Parakeets, a little kitten and now a full grown iguana for Son's 16th birthday. As a single parent, and being seriously ill at times and other serious is sues, I have implored my children to seek out their own relationships with God and to pray for our family an others, so we can survive anything that comes our way. I have a terrible time with short term memory lately, and need to take shorter passages. I know what God's word means...but cannot always quote exact scripture or even be able to remember where it is...just that I know what it says/means. I pray God will heal us ( in many ways) all through this, and the time is now, more than ever to get God's Word in our hearts. The ~Duv~ family =============================================================================== Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 6:14 PM Subject: InVerse freeware: PrintPassage update 3.4.b available From: Lynn David Allan Version 3.4.b of the InVerse Scripture memorization software is now available at no charge from the following locations: http://home.att.net/~bibleinverse/Download/InVerseSetup.exe http://groups.yahoo.com/group/InVerse/files/InVerseSetup.exe The official homepage is at: http://www.bibleinverse.org There is a screen shot at: http://home.att.net/~bibleinverse/Download/Psalms_119_11.jpg There are a series of 17 animated slide shows that demonstrate InVerse at: http://home.att.net/~eeinverse/training.htm New for 3.4: Print-Passage New for 3.3.02: Select-Translation New for 3.3.01: Add-Passage, Edit-Passage For His glory and honor, Lynn Allan =============================================================================== Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:14 PM Subject: Re: Memorizing long passages From: Ted Peterson David, Incredible!! Another fellow computer geek using SuperMemo to memorize long passages! For anybody interested, I've written a computer program that will convert scripture into file that you can import into SuperMemo, which is (in my opinion), optimized to work best with SuperMemo. It uses ideas that I've found that work best for memorizing long passages in the Bible or poetry, such as "chaining" verse chunks, sections of verses. You tell my program where the various sections in the verses are, and it creates a file with that you can import into SuperMemo or create flash cards (question on one side, answer on the other). I have a Word template that that I use to make the flash cards. The flash cards help to memorize scripture easily whereever you are, and SuperMemo is a great (the best in my opinion) system to review what you've memorized. Chaining generally works better in the New Testament than the Old Testament, especially poetry books. If anyone is interested, I have a zip file with the Perl program, Word template, example flashcard Word file, and example input/output files to use with SuperMemo. I've bundled it all into a system called EZ-Memory-Verse, and was going to put it on the Web someday when it was polished, but that hasn't happened yet. I'd be glad to send this out to whoever wants a copy. --Ted On 23 Oct 2002 17:13, David Baldwin wrote: From: David Baldwin > Hey Mark, > > A question for those you who have memorized large portions of > Scripture: How do you keep all your memorized work in your head all > the time? I've wrestled with this for many years now and recently > came up with a system that I think will work. I by no means claim > that the system is perfect and would sure appreciate other ideas. > > For those who are interested I'll outline what I'm doing: > > 1) Supermemo > o Supermemo is a memory program located at supermemo.com. It's > not exactly user-friendly and I wouldn't spring for the $40.00 price > tag unless you're a computer geek as I am, but it does seem quite > powerful. Basically, I've got it set up to quiz me on my Scripture > memory on a daily basis. Those passages I do well on I don't see > again for a while. But those passages that I recite poorly I see quite > frequently until I get them down! > > 2) A microphone > o So if I just quoted a chapter, how do I know I really got every > word correct? Well I've got a microphone hooked up to my computer so > that I can review and keep myself honest! > > 3) Stay hungry! > o I realize that it is evidence of my own carnal nature, but > sometimes memorizing Scripture is more a chore than a pleasure. To > combat this I look for opportunities to present the Bible on stage. > Scripture is quite effective in oral presentation (I'm sure many of > you own recordings of the Bible) and sharing that effectiveness with > others is an opportunity that gives me joy and keeps me motivated. > > Thanks in advance for input. > > David > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Ted Peterson | IRE/NICAR Webmaster | http://www.ire.org (573) 884-7321 | http://www.nicar.org ---------------------------------------------------------------- =============================================================================== Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:14 PM Subject: Bible Drill From: Angela Shepherd My introduction: I am 31, married with 2 sons (9 & 13). I teach a 7th - 12th grade Sunday School class and lead 1rst through 6th grade children's ministry. I have been a Christian since I was 11, but left the church when I was younger and have just returned to follow Christ in the past two years. I have just started training 4th, 5th, and 6th graders for Bible Drill. I am really excited for two reasons. I am really excited about the impact that memorizing scripture will have on these children's lives. We have never done Bible Drill in my church and it has not been done in my association for some time. God has put it on my heart to revive this useful tool for the children in my area. I also am excited because I myself have not commited many scriptures to memory. We also will be memorizing the 66 books of the Bible in order (another thing that I have not done). I will be starting small with single verses. I would like information from others about teaching scripture memory to children in this age group. If this is not the proper forum for this discussion, then please visit the message board on my website. You can go directly to my site at http://home1.gte.net/res1ahgs/index.html. I also have the information about Bible Drill if anyone is interested in starting it in their area. God Bless, Angela =============================================================================== Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:14 PM Subject: RE: Hello, we are new From: Bob Moran Hi Nancy, I have short verses on cassette that may help you. I have a contract with Zondervan, so any NIV verses you want, I'm able to make for you. Here's my site: Bob Moran Peace, hope, joy from Bible Memory Time. FREE Sample! Click here: http://www.cgscorp.com/bmt -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Paurus [mailto:Duv002msn.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 6:14 PM To: biblememmemoryverses.org Subject: Hello, we are new Hello Everyone, We are a homeschooling family of three, Mom, 16 yr old son, and 11 yr old daughter. It's been a rough year for us with chronic illnesses of Mother's and Son's that keep us going to the doctor quite frequently. We tend to stay home a lot, now being winter in Minnesota. God has blessed us with several pets to care for and love: two Parakeets, a little kitten and now a full grown iguana for Son's 16th birthday. As a single parent, and being seriously ill at times and other serious is sues, I have implored my children to seek out their own relationships with God and to pray for our family an others, so we can survive anything that comes our way. I have a terrible time with short term memory lately, and need to take shorter passages. I know what God's word means...but cannot always quote exact scripture or even be able to remember where it is...just that I know what it says/means. I pray God will heal us ( in many ways) all through this, and the time is now, more than ever to get God's Word in our hearts. The ~Duv~ family =============================================================================== Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:14 PM Subject: Re: Memorizing long passages From: Don Myers How does the Microphone work to let you know you have it right. What type are using. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Baldwin" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:13 PM Subject: Memorizing long passages > Hey Mark, > > A question for those you who have memorized large portions of > Scripture: How do you keep all your memorized work in your head all > the time? I've wrestled with this for many years now and recently > came up with a system that I think will work. I by no means claim > that the system is perfect and would sure appreciate other ideas. > > For those who are interested I'll outline what I'm doing: > > 1) Supermemo > o Supermemo is a memory program located at supermemo.com. It's > not exactly user-friendly and I wouldn't spring for the $40.00 price > tag unless you're a computer geek as I am, but it does seem quite > powerful. Basically, I've got it set up to quiz me on my Scripture > memory on a daily basis. Those passages I do well on I don't see > again for a while. But those passages that I recite poorly I see quite > frequently until I get them down! > > 2) A microphone > o So if I just quoted a chapter, how do I know I really got every > word correct? Well I've got a microphone hooked up to my computer so > that I can review and keep myself honest! > > 3) Stay hungry! > o I realize that it is evidence of my own carnal nature, but > sometimes memorizing Scripture is more a chore than a pleasure. To > combat this I look for opportunities to present the Bible on stage. > Scripture is quite effective in oral presentation (I'm sure many of > you own recordings of the Bible) and sharing that effectiveness with > others is an opportunity that gives me joy and keeps me motivated. > > Thanks in advance for input. > > David > > > > > =============================================================================== Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:14 PM Subject: RE: InVerse freeware: PrintPassage update 3.4.b available From: Kin Sing Lau Lynn, this looks good. Do you know any such s/w on Palm OS ? THanks, Victor -----Original Message----- From: Lynn David Allan [mailto:l.allanworldnet.att.net] Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:14 AM To: biblememmemoryverses.org Subject: InVerse freeware: PrintPassage update 3.4.b available Version 3.4.b of the InVerse Scripture memorization software is now available at no charge from the following locations: http://home.att.net/~bibleinverse/Download/InVerseSetup.exe http://groups.yahoo.com/group/InVerse/files/InVerseSetup.exe The official homepage is at: http://www.bibleinverse.org There is a screen shot at: http://home.att.net/~bibleinverse/Download/Psalms_119_11.jpg There are a series of 17 animated slide shows that demonstrate InVerse at: http://home.att.net/~eeinverse/training.htm New for 3.4: Print-Passage New for 3.3.02: Select-Translation New for 3.3.01: Add-Passage, Edit-Passage For His glory and honor, Lynn Allan =============================================================================== Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:15 PM Subject: Re: Memorizing long passages From: Don Myers Which version of Super Memo did you purchase. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Baldwin" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:13 PM Subject: Memorizing long passages > Hey Mark, > > A question for those you who have memorized large portions of > Scripture: How do you keep all your memorized work in your head all > the time? I've wrestled with this for many years now and recently > came up with a system that I think will work. I by no means claim > that the system is perfect and would sure appreciate other ideas. > > For those who are interested I'll outline what I'm doing: > > 1) Supermemo > o Supermemo is a memory program located at supermemo.com. It's > not exactly user-friendly and I wouldn't spring for the $40.00 price > tag unless you're a computer geek as I am, but it does seem quite > powerful. Basically, I've got it set up to quiz me on my Scripture > memory on a daily basis. Those passages I do well on I don't see > again for a while. But those passages that I recite poorly I see quite > frequently until I get them down! > > 2) A microphone > o So if I just quoted a chapter, how do I know I really got every > word correct? Well I've got a microphone hooked up to my computer so > that I can review and keep myself honest! > > 3) Stay hungry! > o I realize that it is evidence of my own carnal nature, but > sometimes memorizing Scripture is more a chore than a pleasure. To > combat this I look for opportunities to present the Bible on stage. > Scripture is quite effective in oral presentation (I'm sure many of > you own recordings of the Bible) and sharing that effectiveness with > others is an opportunity that gives me joy and keeps me motivated. > > Thanks in advance for input. > > David > > > > > =============================================================================== Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:15 PM Subject: RE: Hello, we are new From: Brian Wieland My advice to you is to take the verses that you love so much, whether they are long or short and divide the verse up in to 2 or 3 parts, then try to memorize each part. That way you'll remember the verse in parts. -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Paurus [mailto:Duv002msn.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:14 PM To: biblememmemoryverses.org Subject: Hello, we are new Hello Everyone, We are a homeschooling family of three, Mom, 16 yr old son, and 11 yr old daughter. It's been a rough year for us with chronic illnesses of Mother's and Son's that keep us going to the doctor quite frequently. We tend to stay home a lot, now being winter in Minnesota. God has blessed us with several pets to care for and love: two Parakeets, a little kitten and now a full grown iguana for Son's 16th birthday. As a single parent, and being seriously ill at times and other serious is sues, I have implored my children to seek out their own relationships with God and to pray for our family an others, so we can survive anything that comes our way. I have a terrible time with short term memory lately, and need to take shorter passages. I know what God's word means...but cannot always quote exact scripture or even be able to remember where it is...just that I know what it says/means. I pray God will heal us ( in many ways) all through this, and the time is now, more than ever to get God's Word in our hearts. The ~Duv~ family =============================================================================== Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:15 PM Subject: RE: Memorizing long passages From: Brian Wieland Hi Mark, There is 2 other ways to memorize scripture:one is to divide the verse up into 2, 3 or 4 parts. Then try to memorize each one and then the other til you've completed all of them. The other way is to personalize scripture. -----Original Message----- From: David Baldwin [mailto:dbaldwinperformart.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:14 PM To: biblememmemoryverses.org Subject: Memorizing long passages Hey Mark, A question for those you who have memorized large portions of Scripture: How do you keep all your memorized work in your head all the time? I've wrestled with this for many years now and recently came up with a system that I think will work. I by no means claim that the system is perfect and would sure appreciate other ideas. For those who are interested I'll outline what I'm doing: 1) Supermemo o Supermemo is a memory program located at supermemo.com. It's not exactly user-friendly and I wouldn't spring for the $40.00 price tag unless you're a computer geek as I am, but it does seem quite powerful. Basically, I've got it set up to quiz me on my Scripture memory on a daily basis. Those passages I do well on I don't see again for a while. But those passages that I recite poorly I see quite frequently until I get them down! 2) A microphone o So if I just quoted a chapter, how do I know I really got every word correct? Well I've got a microphone hooked up to my computer so that I can review and keep myself honest! 3) Stay hungry! o I realize that it is evidence of my own carnal nature, but sometimes memorizing Scripture is more a chore than a pleasure. To combat this I look for opportunities to present the Bible on stage. Scripture is quite effective in oral presentation (I'm sure many of you own recordings of the Bible) and sharing that effectiveness with others is an opportunity that gives me joy and keeps me motivated. Thanks in advance for input. David =============================================================================== Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:15 PM Subject: What do you memorise? From: Terry Vogelaar We believe the entire Word is inspired by God Himself. But let's face it: we don't memorise the first nine chapters of 1 Chronicles, do we? Some verses are more important to memorise then others. What I want to do is to make a list of verses that are important to memorise. I want this list to be as complete and interdenominational as possible. So if anyone has such a list for personal use as a computer text file, please mail it to terrydiscovery.nl Also, if anyone is interested in the resulting list, let me know. Terry =============================================================================== Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:15 PM Subject: Introduction From: Beth Mon Hi! I'm new to the list also, and looking forward to "meeting" everyone. I seem to like to memorize medium size portions of scripture - enough to paint a picture - between 3 and 15 verses. My biggest challenge is that long term, I'll remember the passages, but not always the Book reference. I'd love any suggestions! Like Nancy, I am a homeschooling mom of two, although mine are younger, Kindergarten and 1st grade. So far, we have used song to incorporate Bible memory with the kids.=20 I'm so thrilled to have found this list, and correspond with people with common goals. Thanks in advance for your input! Beth =============================================================================== Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:15 PM Subject: Re: Hello, we are new From: It's a great thing to focus on God's word... "I have restrained my feet from every evil way, That I may keep Thy word. I have not turned aside from Thine ordinances, For Thou Thyself hast taught me." (Psalm 119:101-102) "Make me know Thy ways, O Lord; Teach me Thy paths. Lead me in Thy truth and teach me, For Thou art the God of my salvation; For Thee I wait all the day." (Psalm 25:4-5) He Himself will teach you as you soak in His word. May God richly bless you and make you fruitful. SW =============================================================================== Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 1:27 PM Subject: Re: InVerse version for Palm OS? From: Lynn David Allan Hi Victor, Thanks for the kind words regarding InVerse ver 3.4.b. I'm not aware of anything that is roughly equivalent for the Palm OS. The only thing I found that was close was a list of "101 verses every Christian should know" for the Palm in a pdc file. (I incorporated most of those verses into the InVerse program.) There are no doubt Bible translations that can be installed on a Palm OS, but they would not be oriented to memorization. One of my eventual goals is to convert InVerse for use with the Palm OS and WinCe. Lately, I've been looking into turning InVerse into a Web application, possibly using PHP and MySQL. For His glory and honor, Lynn Allan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kin Sing Lau" To: Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 4:14 PM Subject: RE: InVerse freeware: PrintPassage update 3.4.b available > Lynn, this looks good. Do you know any such s/w on Palm OS ? THanks, Victor > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lynn David Allan [mailto:l.allanworldnet.att.net] > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:14 AM > To: biblememmemoryverses.org > Subject: InVerse freeware: PrintPassage update 3.4.b available > > > Version 3.4.b of the InVerse Scripture memorization software is now > available at no charge from the following locations: > http://home.att.net/~bibleinverse/Download/InVerseSetup.exe > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/InVerse/files/InVerseSetup.exe > =============================================================================== Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 1:27 PM Subject: Re: Introduction From: Lynn David Allan Hello Beth, I also tend to prefer longer passages, rather than a verse or partial "snippet" of a verse. However, in everyday usage, it seems rarely appropriate to quote more than a verse at a time. I've gravitated toward a pattern of carefully memorizing a verse or verses (which I consider a passage), and being very familiar with its context (verses before and after). For me, this allows meditation on many, many more passages. I've gotten to be less of a "purist" over time regarding knowing the passage exactly. There are certainly others who disagree with this approach, and strongly recommend precision. A good example of the importance of "context". Eph 6:4 starts with: Fathers, do not exasperate your children But, of course, the surrounding context makes it clear that children are to obey their parents and brought up according to Biblical principles. If you are open to computer based approaches, there are several members of this list that have software programs that facilitate scripture memorization, including Stephen Simpson, the owner/moderator of this list. His very useful "Scripture Memory System" is at: http://www.memoryverses.org/smsw.shtml Another free alternative I would humbly suggest is the InVerse Scripture Memorization program (which I am partially responsible for). It is available at: http://www.bibleinverse.org or http://home.att.net/~bibleinverse Regards, Lynn Allan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth Mon" To: Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 4:14 PM Subject: Introduction > Hi! > > I'm new to the list also, and looking forward to "meeting" everyone. > I seem to like to memorize medium size portions of scripture - enough > to paint a picture - between 3 and 15 verses. My biggest challenge is > that long term, I'll remember the passages, but not always the Book > reference. I'd love any suggestions! > > Like Nancy, I am a homeschooling mom of two, although mine are > younger, Kindergarten and 1st grade. So far, we have used song to > incorporate Bible memory with the kids.=20 > > I'm so thrilled to have found this list, and correspond with people > with common goals. Thanks in advance for your input! > > Beth > > > > > > > > > > > =============================================================================== Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 1:27 PM Subject: RE: InVerse freeware: PrintPassage update 3.4.b available From: > I have the same question regards using with a palm. Don ==================================== Lynn, this looks good. Do you know any such s/w on Palm OS ? THanks, > Victor > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lynn David Allan [mailto:l.allanworldnet.att.net] > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:14 AM > To: biblememmemoryverses.org > Subject: InVerse freeware: PrintPassage update 3.4.b available > > > Version 3.4.b of the InVerse Scripture memorization software is now > available at no charge from the following locations: > http://home.att.net/~bibleinverse/Download/InVerseSetup.exe > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/InVerse/files/InVerseSetup.exe > > The official homepage is at: > http://www.bibleinverse.org > > There is a screen shot at: > http://home.att.net/~bibleinverse/Download/Psalms_119_11.jpg > > There are a series of 17 animated slide shows that demonstrate InVerse > at: > http://home.att.net/~eeinverse/training.htm > > New for 3.4: Print-Passage > New for 3.3.02: Select-Translation > New for 3.3.01: Add-Passage, Edit-Passage > > For His glory and honor, > Lynn Allan =============================================================================== Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 1:28 PM Subject: Re: Memorizing long passages From: > I would like a copy of it. What version and format of super memo are you using with it. Don ============================================ David, > > Incredible!! Another fellow computer geek using SuperMemo to memorize > long passages! > > For anybody interested, I've written a computer program that will > convert scripture into file that you can import into SuperMemo, which > is (in my opinion), optimized to work best with SuperMemo. It uses > ideas that I've found that work best for memorizing long passages in > the Bible or poetry, such as "chaining" verse chunks, sections of > verses. You tell my program where the various sections in the verses > are, and it creates a file with that you can import into SuperMemo or > create flash cards (question on one side, answer on the other). I > have a Word template that that I use to make the flash cards. The > flash cards help to memorize scripture easily whereever you are, and > SuperMemo is a great (the best in my opinion) system to review what > you've memorized. Chaining generally works better in the New > Testament than the Old Testament, especially poetry books. > > If anyone is interested, I have a zip file with the Perl program, Word > template, example flashcard Word file, and example input/output files > to use with SuperMemo. I've bundled it all into a system called > EZ-Memory-Verse, and was going to put it on the Web someday when it > was polished, but that hasn't happened yet. I'd be glad to send this > out to whoever wants a copy. > > --Ted > > On 23 Oct 2002 17:13, David Baldwin wrote: > From: David Baldwin > >> Hey Mark, >> >> A question for those you who have memorized large portions of >> Scripture: How do you keep all your memorized work in your head all >> the time? I've wrestled with this for many years now and recently >> came up with a system that I think will work. I by no means claim >> that the system is perfect and would sure appreciate other ideas. >> >> For those who are interested I'll outline what I'm doing: >> >> 1) Supermemo >> o Supermemo is a memory program located at supermemo.com. It's not >> exactly user-friendly and I wouldn't spring for the $40.00 price tag >> unless you're a computer geek as I am, but it does seem quite >> powerful. Basically, I've got it set up to quiz me on my Scripture >> memory on a daily basis. Those passages I do well on I don't see >> again for a while. But those passages that I recite poorly I see >> quite frequently until I get them down! >> >> 2) A microphone >> o So if I just quoted a chapter, how do I know I really got every >> word correct? Well I've got a microphone hooked up to my computer so >> that I can review and keep myself honest! >> >> 3) Stay hungry! >> o I realize that it is evidence of my own carnal nature, but >> sometimes memorizing Scripture is more a chore than a pleasure. To >> combat this I look for opportunities to present the Bible on stage. >> Scripture is quite effective in oral presentation (I'm sure many of >> you own recordings of the Bible) and sharing that effectiveness with >> others is an opportunity that gives me joy and keeps me motivated. >> >> Thanks in advance for input. >> >> David >> >> >> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Ted Peterson | IRE/NICAR > Webmaster | http://www.ire.org > (573) 884-7321 | http://www.nicar.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------- =============================================================================== Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 1:28 PM Subject: Re: What do you memorise? From: > I would be interested. Don --------------------------------- We believe the entire Word is inspired by God Himself. But let's face > it: we > don't memorise the first nine chapters of 1 Chronicles, do we? Some > verses are more important to memorise then others. > > What I want to do is to make a list of verses that are important to > memorise. I want this list to be as complete and interdenominational > as possible. So if anyone has such a list for personal use as a > computer text file, please mail it to terrydiscovery.nl > > Also, if anyone is interested in the resulting list, let me know. > > Terry =============================================================================== Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 1:28 PM Subject: Re: What do you memorise? From: Lynn David Allan Hi Terry, I put together my own list (as part of InVerse) from several sources. Eventually, it grew to a "outer core" of about 460 passages, and an "inner core" of about 82 passages (a passage might be from one or several verses). This was a consolidation from the Evangelism Explosion program, a list I came across of "101 Verses Every Christian Should Know" for the Palm PDA, the Navigator's Topical Memory System, and my personal preferences from classes and books over the years. I also tried to have some representative passages for about 40 different topics (salvation, parenting, grace, assurance, church, etc.) Another factor: InVerse has verses from ten different translations, but the publishers of modern English Bible translations vary greatly in the number of verses they will allow to be freely utilized. This forced some decisions on which verses to include and exclude. The Lockman Foundation was very generous with their NASB, and gave permission for InVerse to use up to 3500 verses. On the other hand, other publishers have declined to allow more than a default of 200 verses. If appropriate, I could extract the "inner" and/or "outer" lists of verse references. An alternative would be to download and install InVerse, and examine my choices :-) For His glory and honor, Lynn Allan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Vogelaar" > What I want to do is to make a list of verses that are important to > memorise. I want this list to be as complete and interdenominational > as possible. So if anyone has such a list for personal use as a > computer text > file, please mail it to terrydiscovery.nl > > Also, if anyone is interested in the resulting list, let me know. =============================================================================== Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 1:28 PM Subject: Re: What do you memorise? From: Jesse I'm interested in your list, Terry. Thanks. --- Terry Vogelaar wrote: >We believe the entire Word is inspired by God Himself. But let's face >it: we don't memorise the first nine chapters of 1 Chronicles, do we? >Some verses are more important to memorise then others. > >What I want to do is to make a list of verses that are important to >memorise. I want this list to be as complete and interdenominational as >possible. So if anyone has such a list for personal use as a computer >text file, please mail it to terrydiscovery.nl > >Also, if anyone is interested in the resulting list, let me know. > >Terry _____________________________________________________________ Get Your FREE ChristianEmail.com Account -> http://www.botcw.com _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get youyourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag =============================================================================== Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 1:28 PM Subject: Re: What do you memorise? From: Jesse I'm interested in your list, Terry. Thanks. --- Terry Vogelaar wrote: >We believe the entire Word is inspired by God Himself. But let's face >it: we don't memorise the first nine chapters of 1 Chronicles, do we? >Some verses are more important to memorise then others. > >What I want to do is to make a list of verses that are important to >memorise. I want this list to be as complete and interdenominational as >possible. So if anyone has such a list for personal use as a computer >text file, please mail it to terrydiscovery.nl > >Also, if anyone is interested in the resulting list, let me know. > >Terry _____________________________________________________________ Get Your FREE ChristianEmail.com Account -> http://www.botcw.com _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get youyourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag =============================================================================== Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 1:28 PM Subject: RE: Memorizing long passages From: David Baldwin First a reply to Ted - I never thought I'd find a fellow computer geek using SuperMemo to memorize lots of Scripture! What fun! I'd certainly like to see your Perl program and Word template. Second a reply to Don - I use SuperMemo 2002. Keep in mind, however, that I use the program quite a bit for work related activity (it's very helpful as it's a real challenge for me to remember all the details of the numerous technologies my job requires me to be proficient in) so I delve into features I'd never use with just Scripture memory alone. If you're concerned about cost, you can certainly reap benefits from older versions that are sold for less. Here's a good chart to help walk you through the price vs. benefits quandary: http://www.supermemo.com/english/which.htm. And another reply to Don - I use a Radio Shack computer microphone that, if memory serves, cost me about $20. I just plug it into my sound card on the back of my computer and use a recording software program called Sound Forge to record the sections of Scripture I quote. Then, after I've finished a passage, I play it back while looking at the text via SuperMemo to see if I was accurate. Lastly, I grade myself within Supermemo. If I do consistently well on a particular passage I don't see it very frequently. However, if I'm struggling with a passage, Supermemo will ask me to review it more frequently. By the way there are inexpensive and even free alternatives to Sound Forge. Goldwave is just about the best. It's shareware and runs about $40. You can find it at www.goldwave.com. I did a search on zdnet and came up with the following possible alternatives: http://zdnet.com.com/3120-20-0.html?qt=wave+editor. I've not gone through the list so I can't give a review on any of those products. If all else fails you can limp by on Microsoft Sound recorder. It's pretty limited but, assuming your running an appropriate version of Windows, it's on your computer right now. For Windows 2000 go to start>Programs>Accessories>Entertainment>Sound Recorder. Sorry to go on and on about menial details but I hope all this helps. =============================================================================== Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 1:28 PM Subject: Memorization Software for Palm OS From: Stephen Simpson Hi, There have been a couple of posts to the list showing an interest in Bible memorization software for the Palm OS. Currently, I know of the following software: 1) http://www.laridian.com/palm/infomemorize.asp This is a product you have to purchase. I bought it a while ago so that I could see how it worked. It is fairly simple, with not too many features, but that said, it is a nice piece of software and you should check it out. 2) http://www.middlecross.com/ This is a freeware product. 3) I hope to write a freeware program for the Palm OS sometime in the next 8 months. This will be an add-on to my own scripture memory software for windows which is available at www.memoryverses.org. My idea is that the Windows program will download to your Palm device the verses you are to review during a particular day. The program on the palm will quiz you on these verses. Stephen Simpson ===============================================================================