Who said scripture memory while driving was a no-no?!?! This is one of the
BEST times to review. Otherwise commuting is sort of a black hole that just
sucks time. My van has a seam in the steering wheel where I can slip a verse
card and the verse card will stand up. I can glance at the verse and still
drive fine. I also have used the verses on tape method -- works great. A
friend of mine was working on the Navigator TMS (old 108 verse version). She
got a different friend to read a section (18 verses) into the tape recorder
so each section was a different friends voice. One guy did his section in
the voice of Sean Connery with the inflection on key words. It was really
funny, and produced memory. There are certain verses in the TMS that I say
in my head in the voice of Sean Connery (especially any verse with the word
"sword") This tape was fun and is a great review tool. Maybe those of you
with kids could have your kids read the verses in, or maybe a spouse.

Just a few thoughts from the University of Kentucky......

James Long


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-biblememoryMyList.net
[mailto:owner-biblememoryMyList.net]On Behalf Of Lorry Schoenly
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 1998 8:27 PM
To: biblememoryMyList.net
Subject: Just Jumped In....



Hi, All!  I just discovered this list and it is just what I needed.  The
Lord has been gracious to me [again].  I have been diligently memorizing
scripture for about 18 months and it has been very fruitful.  I have now
quite an unweldy pile of index cards and am befuddled as to how to keep up
review and go on to new verses.  The Website online book on scripture memory
has encouraged me to start memorizing chapters now :-).  That will be a new
challenge.  I am glad for this list as I hope to gain
encouragment to stay with it.

I am a 42 yo wife and mother of a 20yo son.  I work as a nurse educator in a
business setting.  I do my scripture memory work while commuting 2 hours
daily. [I know this is a no-no but it works for me - especially the review
part].

Am looking forward to fellowship and encouragement.......

Lorry

I enjoy memorizing Scripture.  Some of my favorite verses are:
1 Corinthians 13:4-7
  2 Corinthians  1:2-4
Galatians 5:22-26
We post our verses on our frig or even on our steering wheel of our car.
God Bless you all,
melanie
mtlauzonmonisys.ca

You just gave me an idea I hadn't thought of.  I commute 3 hours a day!
hmmmmm.  :-)

Lorry Schoenly wrote:

> Hi, All!  I just discovered this list and it is just what I needed.  The
> Lord has been gracious to me [again].  I have been diligently memorizing
> scripture for about 18 months and it has been very fruitful.  I have now
> quite an unweldy pile of index cards and am befuddled as to how to keep up
> review and go on to new verses.  The Website online book on scripture
memory
> has encouraged me to start memorizing chapters now :-).  That will be a
new
> challenge.  I am glad for this list as I hope to gain
> encouragment to stay with it.
>
> I am a 42 yo wife and mother of a 20yo son.  I work as a nurse educator in
a
> business setting.  I do my scripture memory work while commuting 2 hours
> daily. [I know this is a no-no but it works for me - especially the review
> part].
>
> Am looking forward to fellowship and encouragement.......
>
> Lorry



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for a while. my new e-mail address will be carol.dixonusa.net from the
local Library access.
    But while I've been weaning myself off the "net " I've been spending so
much more time in the Bible. It's like I never read it before. I'm finishing
off the last of John and it's so beautiful how Jesus ministered to Lazarus
and his sisters.
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-----Original Message-----
From: The Lauzons 
To: biblememoryMyList.net 
Date: Friday, October 02, 1998 5:23 AM
Subject: Entire list


:I enjoy memorizing Scripture.  Some of my favorite verses are:
:1 Corinthians 13:4-7
:  2 Corinthians  1:2-4
:Galatians 5:22-26
:We post our verses on our frig or even on our steering wheel of our car.
:God Bless you all,
:melanie
:mtlauzonmonisys.ca
:
:
:
:

Lorry Schoenly wrote:
> I have now
>  > quite an unweldy pile of index cards and am befuddled as to how to keep
up
>  > review and go on to new verses.

>  >   I do my scripture memory work while commuting 2 hours
>  > daily. [I know this is a no-no but it works for me - especially the
review
>  > part].

I have a pile of index cards w/ one to two chaptes on each of everything I
have memorized- laser printed front and back, 10 pt Ariel font. Pick a new
card every day for quick review and put it on the bottom of the pile when
done. This makes sure everything gets reviewed on a regular basis.

Scripiture tapes also work great for review. Quote the passage with the
reader, staying about 1/2 a word ahead. You know instantly if you have made
a
mistake.

The car is a wonderful place to work on memory or to review (you can read a
billboard, can't you?). I speak it out loud while driving holding the card
over the steering wheel. I glance down as needed when stuck on a phrase. If
you are working on a new verse, try to have it mostly memorized before
getting
in the car.

When reciting the passage, try speaking it dramatically, putting emphasis
where you think the writer would have put it if he were preaching it. Then,
schedule a time at your church and recite it in front of the congregation,
or
perhaps during worship time between songs, if it is appropriate. Just be
sure
to use a loud clear voice so everyone can hear. God's word ministered in
such
a way is extremely powerful.

Dean May
Terre Haute, IN

Fellow Listers:

I am reading Richard Foster's book "Celebration of Discipline" and I am
intrigued by his take on meditation.  How do each of you meditate on
scripture?  Do you have a formal or informal process?  What benefits have
you derived from it?

Right now my meditations on scripture are rather random, as the HS  brings
things to mind, and especially as I am memorizing scripture.  I  am
wondering if meditation should be a structured discipline similar to prayer
where a time is set aside regularly for that activity.

Thoughts??

Lorry

Dean:

You have some great ideas there.  Seems we are somewhat on the same
wavelength.  I, too, laser print my verses on index cards.  I seem to need a
larger print, though, to be able to quickly glance at them while driving.
Maybe when I am in the review stage I can lower the point size to 10.  That
is the beauty of using the computer because you can go back into your data
file and edit the point size :-)

I have a CD of the New Testament and Psalms but unfortunately it is in a
different version than I memorize.  I like NKJV and it isn't as popular for
audiotape.  I'll keep looking, though.

I like the idea of reciting verses in church. I have refrained from doing
that because it seems very few folks memorize and I feel like I am boasting
or something to get up and quote a passage.  I am praying that I get over
this and am able to do it humbly as unto the Lord.  I HAVE started including
scripture in my prayers as the Holy Spirit brings them to mind.  It has been
a very enriching experience.

Could folks on the list share some of their favorite passages and why?

Lorry
-----Original Message-----
From: DeanMayaol.com 
To: biblememorymylist.net 
Date: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: Just Jumped In....


>
>Lorry Schoenly wrote:
>> I have now
>>  > quite an unweldy pile of index cards and am befuddled as to how to
keep
>up
>>  > review and go on to new verses.
>
>>  >   I do my scripture memory work while commuting 2 hours
>>  > daily. [I know this is a no-no but it works for me - especially the
>review
>>  > part].
>
>I have a pile of index cards w/ one to two chaptes on each of everything I
>have memorized- laser printed front and back, 10 pt Ariel font. Pick a new
>card every day for quick review and put it on the bottom of the pile when
>done. This makes sure everything gets reviewed on a regular basis.
>
>Scripiture tapes also work great for review. Quote the passage with the
>reader, staying about 1/2 a word ahead. You know instantly if you have made
>a
>mistake.
>
>The car is a wonderful place to work on memory or to review (you can read a
>billboard, can't you?). I speak it out loud while driving holding the card
>over the steering wheel. I glance down as needed when stuck on a phrase. If
>you are working on a new verse, try to have it mostly memorized before
>getting
>in the car.
>
>When reciting the passage, try speaking it dramatically, putting emphasis
>where you think the writer would have put it if he were preaching it. Then,
>schedule a time at your church and recite it in front of the congregation,
>or
>perhaps during worship time between songs, if it is appropriate. Just be
>sure
>to use a loud clear voice so everyone can hear. God's word ministered in
>such
>a way is extremely powerful.
>
>Dean May
>Terre Haute, IN
>
>
>

In a message dated 10/10/98 7:11:44 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
lorryblackboard.com writes:

> I like the idea of reciting verses in church. I have refrained from doing
>  that because it seems very few folks memorize and I feel like I am
boasting
>  or something to get up and quote a passage.  I am praying that I get over
>  this and am able to do it humbly as unto the Lord.  I HAVE started
including
>  scripture in my prayers as the Holy Spirit brings them to mind.  It has
been
>  a very enriching experience.
>
>  Could folks on the list share some of their favorite passages and why?
>

It is very difficult to dramatically recite scripture in church in humility-
especially when people come to you afterward and tell you how much it moved
them. But that is exactly the reason to do it: it does powerfully minister
to
God's people.

I also use scripture liberally when praying for people. I have the privilege
of being a prayer counseler at the alter during ministry time and get to do
it
often. Some favorite passages:
Various parts of Romans 8, especially vs. 31 to 35, excellent for those
being
beat up by the devil
II Cor 4:16-18 very good for people facing hardships
II Cor 5:1-5  excellent for people grieving death
I Pet 1:6-7, 4:12-13, 5:5b-7,  5:10  makes sense out of senseless trials
Phil 3:7-14  Perservence
Phil 2:1-11  Humility, Meekness

we could go on for a while here  :)

I have found that nothing ministers to people like reciting an appropriate
scripture. It is a powerfull motivation to me to memorize as much as
possible.

Dean May
Terre Haute, IN

I truly enjoy reading all of the ideas and suggestions about memorizing
scripture.  It has helped me a great deal.  But, am I the only person who
thinks
it is absolutely foolish to "look at" or "quickly glance at" any kind of
reading
material while you're operating a motor vehicle?  I drive more than most
people
(35,000 miles a year) and I sincerely hope I don't encounter any of you on
the
road.  Most accidents happen "quickly" when you're not paying full time and
attention to the road.  (It's bad enough with cell phone users where they
can
see the road but they STILL have a higher accident rate.)
Michael E. Jackson
jacksonmgghlaw.com


Lorry Schoenly wrote:

> Dean:
>
> You have some great ideas there.  Seems we are somewhat on the same
> wavelength.  I, too, laser print my verses on index cards.  I seem to need
a
> larger print, though, to be able to quickly glance at them while driving.
> Maybe when I am in the review stage I can lower the point size to 10.
That
> is the beauty of using the computer because you can go back into your data
> file and edit the point size :-)
>
> I have a CD of the New Testament and Psalms but unfortunately it is in a
> different version than I memorize.  I like NKJV and it isn't as popular
for
> audiotape.  I'll keep looking, though.
>
> I like the idea of reciting verses in church. I have refrained from doing
> that because it seems very few folks memorize and I feel like I am
boasting
> or something to get up and quote a passage.  I am praying that I get over
> this and am able to do it humbly as unto the Lord.  I HAVE started
including
> scripture in my prayers as the Holy Spirit brings them to mind.  It has
been
> a very enriching experience.
>
> Could folks on the list share some of their favorite passages and why?
>
> Lorry
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeanMayaol.com 
> To: biblememorymylist.net 
> Date: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 8:25 AM
> Subject: Re: Just Jumped In....
>
> >
> >Lorry Schoenly wrote:
> >> I have now
> >>  > quite an unweldy pile of index cards and am befuddled as to how to
> keep
> >up
> >>  > review and go on to new verses.
> >
> >>  >   I do my scripture memory work while commuting 2 hours
> >>  > daily. [I know this is a no-no but it works for me - especially the
> >review
> >>  > part].
> >
> >I have a pile of index cards w/ one to two chaptes on each of everything
I
> >have memorized- laser printed front and back, 10 pt Ariel font. Pick a
new
> >card every day for quick review and put it on the bottom of the pile when
> >done. This makes sure everything gets reviewed on a regular basis.
> >
> >Scripiture tapes also work great for review. Quote the passage with the
> >reader, staying about 1/2 a word ahead. You know instantly if you have
made
> >a
> >mistake.
> >
> >The car is a wonderful place to work on memory or to review (you can read
a
> >billboard, can't you?). I speak it out loud while driving holding the
card
> >over the steering wheel. I glance down as needed when stuck on a phrase.
If
> >you are working on a new verse, try to have it mostly memorized before
> >getting
> >in the car.
> >
> >When reciting the passage, try speaking it dramatically, putting emphasis
> >where you think the writer would have put it if he were preaching it.
Then,
> >schedule a time at your church and recite it in front of the
congregation,
> >or
> >perhaps during worship time between songs, if it is appropriate. Just be
> >sure
> >to use a loud clear voice so everyone can hear. God's word ministered in
> >such
> >a way is extremely powerful.
> >
> >Dean May
> >Terre Haute, IN
> >
> >
> >

Lorry
Gosh, I'm glad you said this:
>I like the idea of reciting verses in church. I have refrained from doing
>that because it seems very few folks memorize and I feel like I am boasting
>or something to get up and quote a passage.  I am praying that I get over
>this and am able to do it humbly as unto the Lord.  I HAVE started
including
>scripture in my prayers as the Holy Spirit brings them to mind.  It has
been
>a very enriching experience.


This is just how I feel!   And yes, when Scriptures seem to find their ways
into my prayers, even when praying in group, it does seem wonderfully
enriching.

I am afraid, though, that I haven't been as disciplined as I should as
memorizing references with verses and I'm trying to go back and do that for
ones I've stored away in past months.   Realized the lack when I wanted to
look them up later while talking with others about them.

Lorry,
Here's a "take" on meditation with quite a bit of information you may want
to consider.
http://www.memlok.com/meditation.htm

Hope it helps.
Personally, I use a form in Devotional Tools called "Meditation" to record
what God speaks to my heart. It has 4 questions to "prod" me. I have done
this in a "journal" through the 700 verses in Memlok and it has brought
"lift-change" over the years as I've done it one verse a week. I was also
looking for something to "happen" in my life related to that verse. I would
then put a mark on the card to remind me God is certainly sovereign.

Hi James (Long) - cool thoughts. Did the same thing myself for years when
the kids were 4-9 or so. What I listened to in the car would be done 5
times for each verse with a pause long enough for them to say the verse in
between. This way, they heard my voice, heard the verse 5 times/day and
said it 5 times/day. then I rewarded them at the end of the week.

At 05:11 PM Saturday, you wrote:
>
>Fellow Listers:
>
>I am reading Richard Foster's book "Celebration of Discipline" and I am
>intrigued by his take on meditation.  How do each of you meditate on
>scripture?  Do you have a formal or informal process?  What benefits have
>you derived from it?
>
>Right now my meditations on scripture are rather random, as the HS  brings
>things to mind, and especially as I am memorizing scripture.  I  am
>wondering if meditation should be a structured discipline similar to prayer
>where a time is set aside regularly for that activity.
>
>Thoughts??
>
>Lorry
>
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Making my own tapes - Dah-h-h - now why didn't I think of that?  How
convenient and inexpensive.  I am going to start this week and make a tape
of Phillipians.  Thanks, James, for the great idea!

I guess I thought memory while driving was a no-no because of what I
originally read on the website about the potential for accidents.  Seems,
though, that a lot of you 'old timers' to scripture memory find this a good
way to 'redeem the time' so I am not so far off anyway.  When you add up how
many hours you spend in the car each week it can increase your verse cache
considerably over time.

Lorry
-----Original Message-----
From: James Long 
To: biblememorymylist.net 
Date: Saturday, October 10, 1998 8:17 PM
Subject: RE: Just Jumped In....


>Who said scripture memory while driving was a no-no?!?! This is one of the
>BEST times to review. Otherwise commuting is sort of a black hole that just
>sucks time. My van has a seam in the steering wheel where I can slip a
verse
>card and the verse card will stand up. I can glance at the verse and still
>drive fine. I also have used the verses on tape method -- works great. A
>friend of mine was working on the Navigator TMS (old 108 verse version).
She
>got a different friend to read a section (18 verses) into the tape recorder
>so each section was a different friends voice. One guy did his section in
>the voice of Sean Connery with the inflection on key words. It was really
>funny, and produced memory. There are certain verses in the TMS that I say
>in my head in the voice of Sean Connery (especially any verse with the word
>"sword") This tape was fun and is a great review tool. Maybe those of you
>with kids could have your kids read the verses in, or maybe a spouse.
>
>Just a few thoughts from the University of Kentucky......
>
>James Long
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-biblememoryMyList.net
>[mailto:owner-biblememoryMyList.net]On Behalf Of Lorry Schoenly
>Sent: Sunday, September 27, 1998 8:27 PM
>To: biblememoryMyList.net
>Subject: Just Jumped In....
>
>
>
>Hi, All!  I just discovered this list and it is just what I needed.  The
>Lord has been gracious to me [again].  I have been diligently memorizing
>scripture for about 18 months and it has been very fruitful.  I have now
>quite an unweldy pile of index cards and am befuddled as to how to keep up
>review and go on to new verses.  The Website online book on scripture
memory
>has encouraged me to start memorizing chapters now :-).  That will be a new
>challenge.  I am glad for this list as I hope to gain
>encouragment to stay with it.
>
>I am a 42 yo wife and mother of a 20yo son.  I work as a nurse educator in
a
>business setting.  I do my scripture memory work while commuting 2 hours
>daily. [I know this is a no-no but it works for me - especially the review
>part].
>
>Am looking forward to fellowship and encouragement.......
>
>Lorry
>
>
>
>
>

Hi there. I'm a new subscriber to this list. I am a 38 year-old
husband and father of five. I work for a printing company and
teach Spanish in a coffee shop a few times a week.

I have been memorizing paragraphs, chapters, and occasionally,
individual verses for a few years. I read Koine Greek (and have
taught it to a small group through the local night school). This
year I have maintained one of very few consistent disciplines: I
read the NT once a month (avg 256 verses per day). It has given a
real surge of power to my teaching and daily walk. It takes me
about 45 min. per day. I'm not a quick reader.

I use the alphanumeric system for references that Amy mentions
(below). "Enough chow" = 2 8 6 which is Mark 8:6. This helps me
alot. But it's only one of many tools, none of which is complete
by itself. I agree with Amy that it's much easier to learn chunks
rather than snippets.

I am memorizing from the NASB 95 Update (the newest one, without
the Thee's and Thou's). Anyone else using this version? I'd love
to hear from you.

Keith Swayne
"Quot linguas calles, tot homines vales." -- Charles V



----------
> From: Amy Martindale 
> To: biblememoryMyList.net
> Subject: Re: Scripture Memory Pearls
> Date: Tuesday, October 13, 1998 9:49 AM
>
> Anne  -
> About memorizing the references with verses, that has been the
absolute
> hardest thing for me. I've even tried a system where each
number is a
> phonetic sound (1=t or d,2=n,3=m,etc.) I've gotten a lot of
teasing for
> that method. :) The only way I've been able to really remember
> references -over months and years- not just days, is to
memorize whole
> chapters and books at a time. It's easier for me to memorize 20
verses
> when each one builds on the last then 20 totally seperate
verses. It's
> really important for me to get the verses by reference though.
It
> doesn't work if I have to start at verse one to figure out what
verse 47
> is. Generally I memorize a chapter with the numbers in between
verses
> and then write out a card for each one. I'll go from quoting
each verse
> in a row to quoting every other verse to every third verse to
completely
> shuffling them. One advantage of this method for me is that
I've
> memorized verses that I wouldn't have otherwise. Verses that
did't stick
> out when I just read them have meant a lot to me when I've
meditated on
> them and memorized them.
>
> -Amy-
> -
>
>
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________
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In a message dated 10/13/98 1:01:28 AM US Eastern Standard Time,


> I am afraid, though, that I haven't been as disciplined as I should as
>  memorizing references with verses and I'm trying to go back and do that
for
>  ones I've stored away in past months.   Realized the lack when I wanted
to
>  look them up later while talking with others about them.
>

I work on chapters at a time so that I can usually remember what chapter the
scripture is coming from. To me, if you focus on trying to remember the
verse
numbers you are spending a lot of unnecessary energy. I want my focus to be
on
the word and not the numbers.

Dean May
Terre Haute, IN

Thank you.  You gave me exactly what I needed, when I needed it.  Isn't it
great
to know the Lord is using you to do good things- even if it's something that
seems small to us, like a smile.  Keep on truckin' brother Dean.

DeanMayaol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 10/10/98 7:11:44 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
> lorryblackboard.com writes:
>
> > I like the idea of reciting verses in church. I have refrained from
doing
> >  that because it seems very few folks memorize and I feel like I am
> boasting
> >  or something to get up and quote a passage.  I am praying that I get
over
> >  this and am able to do it humbly as unto the Lord.  I HAVE started
> including
> >  scripture in my prayers as the Holy Spirit brings them to mind.  It has
> been
> >  a very enriching experience.
> >
> >  Could folks on the list share some of their favorite passages and why?
> >
>
> It is very difficult to dramatically recite scripture in church in
humility-
> especially when people come to you afterward and tell you how much it
moved
> them. But that is exactly the reason to do it: it does powerfully minister
> to
> God's people.
>
> I also use scripture liberally when praying for people. I have the
privilege
> of being a prayer counseler at the alter during ministry time and get to
do
> it
> often. Some favorite passages:
> Various parts of Romans 8, especially vs. 31 to 35, excellent for those
> being
> beat up by the devil
> II Cor 4:16-18 very good for people facing hardships
> II Cor 5:1-5  excellent for people grieving death
> I Pet 1:6-7, 4:12-13, 5:5b-7,  5:10  makes sense out of senseless trials
> Phil 3:7-14  Perservence
> Phil 2:1-11  Humility, Meekness
>
> we could go on for a while here  :)
>
> I have found that nothing ministers to people like reciting an appropriate
> scripture. It is a powerfull motivation to me to memorize as much as
> possible.
>
> Dean May
> Terre Haute, IN

Anne  -
About memorizing the references with verses, that has been the absolute
hardest thing for me. I've even tried a system where each number is a
phonetic sound (1=t or d,2=n,3=m,etc.) I've gotten a lot of teasing for
that method. :) The only way I've been able to really remember
references -over months and years- not just days, is to memorize whole
chapters and books at a time. It's easier for me to memorize 20 verses
when each one builds on the last then 20 totally seperate verses. It's
really important for me to get the verses by reference though. It
doesn't work if I have to start at verse one to figure out what verse 47
is. Generally I memorize a chapter with the numbers in between verses
and then write out a card for each one. I'll go from quoting each verse
in a row to quoting every other verse to every third verse to completely
shuffling them. One advantage of this method for me is that I've
memorized verses that I wouldn't have otherwise. Verses that did't stick
out when I just read them have meant a lot to me when I've meditated on
them and memorized them.

-Amy-
-





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In a message dated 10/13/98 12:13:32 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
jacksonmgghlaw.com writes:

> But, am I the only person who thinks it is absolutely foolish to "look at"
or "quickly glance at" any kind of readingmaterial while you're operating a
motor vehicle?

Michael,

Do you glance at billboards? Road signs? Do you sing along with the radio or
tape?

We are not talking about reading the passage but glancing down to confirm a
word or phrase. And when you are working with the same card for several days
you get to know where you are at without having to do a lot of searching
around.

Dean May
Terre Haute, IN

Andy Smith,

Thank you so much for sharing these suggestions.....it inspired me to begin
a
journal of my studies using these five questions as a starting point for my
meditation.  I am more of a typer than a writer, but I do like having notes
to
look back upon.  So, I will keep my journal on my PC.  This may sound odd,
but
I think it will be most effective for me.

I ask the group to keep me in your prayers,
elaine

In a message dated 98-10-13 12:51:21 EDT, you write:

<< One way is to ask yourself five questions about any given verse:
1. What do I learn from this verse?
2. What in this verse causes me to say "Thanks" to God?
3. What does this verse tell me to do in the future?
4. What sins might I need to confess to God because of this verse?
5. What does this verse prompt me to ask from God?

There are many different ways to meditate on the Bible, but they're all
good, because it's God's Word. >>

Hi,

    Because of my background I HATE to learn verses without knowing the
reference. Since I've heard others on here mention some struggles remember
the refereces I thought I'd submit my way of reviewing them to you all.

    I take index cards with the verse written (or printed) on one side and
the reverence on the other.

    After I finish learning a bunch of them (normally a chapter), I shuffle
them. We'll call this Stack "A".      I take the first 10 (more after I know
them pretty well) off of stack "A". This is stack "B".

    I start with the first card on stack "B". I look at just the reference
and try to quote it to myself. Then I check myself by turning it over and
reading the verse. If I struggle at all to remember which verse it was, or
if I misquote it I put it on the bottom of stack "B". If I get it correct I
remove it and put the top card from stack "A" on the bottom of stack "B".

    Trying to explain it only in text makes it sound confusing, but it's
pretty simple. The benifits of this is that you keep asking yourself the
ones you struggle with and slowly mix in new cards as you get the verses
right.  Another twist to this is to turn the cards you missed upside down
when you put it back into stack "B". Then when you get it right the first
time you turn it right-side-up, and return it to the back of stack "B". This
forces you to get it right twice in a row after missing it.

    Comment appreciated :),
        Lee Schaeffer
        lschaefnb.net

> I work on chapters at a time so that I can usually remember what chapter
the
> scripture is coming from. To me, if you focus on trying to remember the
> verse numbers you are spending a lot of unnecessary energy.

One of the Southern Baptist leaders suggests that you state the
reference before and after you quote the verse that you're working
on.  Here's an example:

John 3:16
"For God so loved the world"
John 3:16

John 3:16
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son"
John 3:16

John 3:16
add a phrase
John 3:16

etc.

I found that works for me.

Stephen

stephensmithworks.org

In my previous posting I mentioned QuickVerse for Windows. You
can get QuickVerse 4.0 with the KJV for free from
http://www.parsonstech.com/software/qv.html. This is the full
version (not "nagware" or "crippleware"). You can buy additional
translations for about $29 US.

Keith Swayne
"Quot linguas calles, tot homines vales." -- Charles V

languagehome.com

Greetings,

    At this time there are now 200 members of the biblememory discussion
list!

    I have just put up the archives to the list for July, August and
September. You can read these files at
http://home.istar.ca/~ssimpson/archives.shtml

    I would also like to encourage more of you to participate in our
conversation on Bible memorization and meditation.  With 200 members, I am
sure that more of you have things to share.  Do not hesitate to share the
things which make scripture memorization difficult for you.  If you are
struggling with maintaining scripture memory habits, but wish it to change,
perhaps the rest of the group can encourage you.

    Here is my own question for the group.  How many of you work with a
friend/spouse on memorization and review?  I am confident that this type of
help and accountability can make a big difference.  Comments?

Stephen Simpson
ssimpsonistar.ca

Lorry Schoenly  wrote:
>
> Reading the NT through each month sounds like a challenge.  Do
you have a
> schedule you can share that breaks down the NT into 30
sections?  I'd like
> to give it a try.
>
> Lorry

See the following two schedules. The first allows you to read the
NT in one month, the second is for two months.

These divisions were made by a computer program called
QuickVerse. The divisions are usually end at paragraph divisions,
rather than half way through a story.

I really like QuickVerse. It integrates seamlessly with MS Word,
has all kids of translations and can integrate with a bunch of
other study tools. They just released version 5, and a Greek
version, which I haven't seen. If you're interested, check it out
at http://www.quickverse.com/.

Read NT in one month (average 256 verses/day)

1. Matthew 1:1-9:31
2. Matthew 9:32-15:31
3. Matthew 15:32-23:24
4. Matthew 23:25-28:20
5. Mark 1:1-7:13
6. Mark 7:14-12:44
7. Mark 13-16; Luke 1:1-2:7
8. Luke 2:8-8:15
9. Luke 8:16-13:9
10. Luke 13:10-20:8
11. Luke 20:9-24:35
12. Luke 24:36-53; John 1:1-6:40
13. John 6:41-11:29
14. John 11:30-18:11
15. John 18:12-21:25; Acts 1-4
16. Acts 5:1-11:15
17. Acts 11:16-17:15
18. Acts 17:16-24:27
19. Acts 25-28; Romans 1-5
20. Romans 6:1-15:13
21. Romans 15:14-16:27; 1 Corinthians 1-10
22. 1 Corinthians 11-16; 2 Corinthians 1-4
23. 2 Corinthians 5-13; Galatians 1:1-4:11
24. Galatians 4:12-6:18; Ephesians; Phillipians 1:1-2:11
25. Phillipians 2:12-4:23; Colossians; 1 Thessalonians 1:1-5:11
26. 1 Thessalonians 5:12-28; 2 Th; 1 Timothy; 2 Timothy; Titus
1-2
27. Titus 3; Philemon; Hebrews 1-10
28. Hebrews 11-13; James; 1 Peter 1:1-2:10
29. 1 Peter 2:11-5:14; 2 Peter; 1 John 1:1-5:12
30. 1 John 5:13-21; 2 John; 3 John; Jude; Revelation 1-10
31. Revelation 11-22

Read the NT in two months (avg 128 verses/day)

1. Mat 1:1-5:37
2. Mat 5:38-9:31
3. Mat 9:32-12:50
4. Mat 13:1-15:31
5. Mat 15:32-20:16
6. Mat 20:17-23:39
7. Mat 24:1-26:35
8. Mat 26:36-28:20; Mark 1:1-11
9. Mark 1:12-4:41
10. Mark 5-7
11. Mark 8:1-10:34
12. Mark 10:35-13:23
13. Mark 13:24-16:8
14. Mark 16:9-20; Luke 1:1-2:38
15. Luke 2:39-6:11
16. Luke 6:12-8:56
17. Luke 9:1-11:28
18. Luke 11:29-14:11
19. Luke 14:12-18:14
20. Luke 18:15-20:47
21. Luke 21-22
22. Luke 23-24; John 1:1-28
23. John 1:29-4:54
24. John 5:1-7:13
25. John 7:14-9:34
26. John 9:35-12:36
27. John 12:37-16:11
28. John 16:12-19:42
29. John 20-21; Acts 1-2
30. Acts 3:1-7:16
31. Acts 7:17-9:30
32. Acts 9:31-13:22
33. Acts 13:23-16:10
34. Acts 16:11-19:20
35. Acts 19:21-22:30
36. Acts 23:1-27:26
37. Acts 27:27-28:31; Rom 1-3
38. Rom 4:1-8:11
39. Rom 8:12-12:21
40. Rom 13-16; 1 Cor 1:1-3:9
41. 1 Cor 3:10-8:13
42. 1 Cor 9:1-14:12
43. 1 Cor 14:13-16:24; 2 Cor 1
44. 2 Cor 2-9
45. 2 Cor 10-13; Gal 1-2
46. Gal 3-6; Eph 1
47. Eph 2-6; Phil 1:1-11
48. Phil 1:12-4:23; Col 1:1-23
49. Col 1:24-4:18; 1 Th 1-3
50. 1 Th 4-5; 2 Th; 1 Tim 1-4
51. 1 Tim 5-6; 2 Tim
52. Titus; Phile; Heb 1-3
53. Heb 4:1-10:31
54. Heb 10:32-13:25; James 1
55. James 2-5; 1 Pet 1
56. 1 Pet 2-5; 2 Pet 1-2
57. 2 Pet 3; 1 John 1:1-5:12
58. 1 John 5:13-21; 2 John; 3 John; Jude; Rev 1:1-3:13
59. Rev 3:14-10:11
60. Rev 11:1-17:8
61. Rev 17:9-22:21

Keith Swayne
"Quot linguas calles, tot homines vales." -- Charles V

languagehome.com

Elaine:

I, too, type my journal on our PC.  It is faster for thought flow and makes
it easier to find something later [using the search and find function on the
word processor].  You gave me the idea to combine scripture meditation with
my journalling - thanks.  It is a good match, especially with Andy's
questions.  I have been slack in my journal-keeping of late - so many other
things to be doing - and you have encouraged me to get back to the keyboard.

Lorry

-----Original Message-----
From: RFergu6772aol.com 
To: biblememorymylist.net 
Date: Thursday, October 15, 1998 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: (how to) Scripture Meditation


>Andy Smith,
>
>Thank you so much for sharing these suggestions.....it inspired me to begin
>a
>journal of my studies using these five questions as a starting point for my
>meditation.  I am more of a typer than a writer, but I do like having notes
>to
>look back upon.  So, I will keep my journal on my PC.  This may sound odd,
>but
>I think it will be most effective for me.
>
>I ask the group to keep me in your prayers,
>elaine
>
>In a message dated 98-10-13 12:51:21 EDT, you write:
>
><< One way is to ask yourself five questions about any given verse:
>1. What do I learn from this verse?
>2. What in this verse causes me to say "Thanks" to God?
>3. What does this verse tell me to do in the future?
>4. What sins might I need to confess to God because of this verse?
>5. What does this verse prompt me to ask from God?
>
>There are many different ways to meditate on the Bible, but they're all
>good, because it's God's Word. >>
>
>
>

Keith:

Reading the NT through each month sounds like a challenge.  Do you have a
schedule you can share that breaks down the NT into 30 sections?  I'd like
to give it a try.

Lorry
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Swayne 
To: biblememorymylist.net 
Date: Tuesday, October 13, 1998 9:50 PM
Subject: New list member and refs


>Hi there. I'm a new subscriber to this list. I am a 38 year-old
>husband and father of five. I work for a printing company and
>teach Spanish in a coffee shop a few times a week.
>
>I have been memorizing paragraphs, chapters, and occasionally,
>individual verses for a few years. I read Koine Greek (and have
>taught it to a small group through the local night school). This
>year I have maintained one of very few consistent disciplines: I
>read the NT once a month (avg 256 verses per day). It has given a
>real surge of power to my teaching and daily walk. It takes me
>about 45 min. per day. I'm not a quick reader.
>
>I use the alphanumeric system for references that Amy mentions
>(below). "Enough chow" = 2 8 6 which is Mark 8:6. This helps me
>alot. But it's only one of many tools, none of which is complete
>by itself. I agree with Amy that it's much easier to learn chunks
>rather than snippets.
>
>I am memorizing from the NASB 95 Update (the newest one, without
>the Thee's and Thou's). Anyone else using this version? I'd love
>to hear from you.
>
>Keith Swayne
>"Quot linguas calles, tot homines vales." -- Charles V
>
>
>
>----------
>> From: Amy Martindale 
>> To: biblememoryMyList.net
>> Subject: Re: Scripture Memory Pearls
>> Date: Tuesday, October 13, 1998 9:49 AM
>>
>> Anne  -
>> About memorizing the references with verses, that has been the
>absolute
>> hardest thing for me. I've even tried a system where each
>number is a
>> phonetic sound (1=t or d,2=n,3=m,etc.) I've gotten a lot of
>teasing for
>> that method. :) The only way I've been able to really remember
>> references -over months and years- not just days, is to
>memorize whole
>> chapters and books at a time. It's easier for me to memorize 20
>verses
>> when each one builds on the last then 20 totally seperate
>verses. It's
>> really important for me to get the verses by reference though.
>It
>> doesn't work if I have to start at verse one to figure out what
>verse 47
>> is. Generally I memorize a chapter with the numbers in between
>verses
>> and then write out a card for each one. I'll go from quoting
>each verse
>> in a row to quoting every other verse to every third verse to
>completely
>> shuffling them. One advantage of this method for me is that
>I've
>> memorized verses that I wouldn't have otherwise. Verses that
>did't stick
>> out when I just read them have meant a lot to me when I've
>meditated on
>> them and memorized them.
>>
>> -Amy-
>> -
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
>

This is great getting all sorts of ideas for Scripture memory isn't it!

Regarding references, in my case, I've found it necessary to use the "true"
flip card concept. That is, the answer is on the back as in math. So, after
many complained they couldn't remember the references from 1990-1994 in
Memlok, and after my own daughter who homeschools our grandkids refrained
that problem, I took the references off the front of the card.

Now, there's simply the topic and picture (helping your recall the first
key words). Thus, you now have to actually "remember" the reference (saying
it 'fore and aft' on the front (out loud - to gain the other sense), and on
the back.

Then, the review system automatically places the cards in daily, weekly,
and finally bi-monthly review piles (totally automatic in PC MemLok). The
end result is you review a new verse daily (5 days/week) for 6 weeks,
weekly for 9 months, and bi-monthly for life. Best of all, the pile is 5
minutes big all the time. That leaves precious time to meditate on the
road, in QT's or simply in journaling.

Happy memories!

At 05:26 AM Thursday, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>    Because of my background I HATE to learn verses without knowing the
>reference. Since I've heard others on here mention some struggles remember
>the refereces I thought I'd submit my way of reviewing them to you all.
>
>    I take index cards with the verse written (or printed) on one side and
>the reverence on the other.
>
>    After I finish learning a bunch of them (normally a chapter), I shuffle
>them. We'll call this Stack "A".      I take the first 10 (more after I
know
>them pretty well) off of stack "A". This is stack "B".
>
>    I start with the first card on stack "B". I look at just the reference
>and try to quote it to myself. Then I check myself by turning it over and
>reading the verse. If I struggle at all to remember which verse it was, or
>if I misquote it I put it on the bottom of stack "B". If I get it correct I
>remove it and put the top card from stack "A" on the bottom of stack "B".
>
>    Trying to explain it only in text makes it sound confusing, but it's
>pretty simple. The benifits of this is that you keep asking yourself the
>ones you struggle with and slowly mix in new cards as you get the verses
>right.  Another twist to this is to turn the cards you missed upside down
>when you put it back into stack "B". Then when you get it right the first
>time you turn it right-side-up, and return it to the back of stack "B".
This
>forces you to get it right twice in a row after missing it.
>
>    Comment appreciated :),
>        Lee Schaeffer
>        lschaefnb.net
>
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Lee:

Thanks for sharing this great idea.  Currently I keep my memorized verses in
Bible Chapter order in two rings - one Old Testiment and one New Testiment.
Once a week I go from Genesis to Revelation only looking where I stumble.
This has helped me to keep track of the verses but is not as helpful for
random memory of verse locations for use in conversation and thought.  I
think I will try adding your random approach to stimulate my recall memory.

Lorry
-----Original Message-----
From: Lee Schaeffer 
To: biblememorymylist.net 
Date: Thursday, October 15, 1998 8:31 AM
Subject: References


>Hi,
>
>    Because of my background I HATE to learn verses without knowing the
>reference. Since I've heard others on here mention some struggles remember
>the refereces I thought I'd submit my way of reviewing them to you all.
>
>    I take index cards with the verse written (or printed) on one side and
>the reverence on the other.
>
>    After I finish learning a bunch of them (normally a chapter), I shuffle
>them. We'll call this Stack "A".      I take the first 10 (more after I
know
>them pretty well) off of stack "A". This is stack "B".
>
>    I start with the first card on stack "B". I look at just the reference
>and try to quote it to myself. Then I check myself by turning it over and
>reading the verse. If I struggle at all to remember which verse it was, or
>if I misquote it I put it on the bottom of stack "B". If I get it correct I
>remove it and put the top card from stack "A" on the bottom of stack "B".
>
>    Trying to explain it only in text makes it sound confusing, but it's
>pretty simple. The benifits of this is that you keep asking yourself the
>ones you struggle with and slowly mix in new cards as you get the verses
>right.  Another twist to this is to turn the cards you missed upside down
>when you put it back into stack "B". Then when you get it right the first
>time you turn it right-side-up, and return it to the back of stack "B".
This
>forces you to get it right twice in a row after missing it.
>
>    Comment appreciated :),
>        Lee Schaeffer
>        lschaefnb.net
>
>
>

>Here is my own question for the group.  How many of you work with
>a friend/spouse on memorization and review?  I am confident that this
>type of help and accountability can make a big difference.  Comments?

I think that it would be a great help to do this. Unfortunately, my wife
is a PK (preacher's kid), and had to memorize so much as a child that
she's sick of it. So I do it on my own.

- A.C. Smith

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At 07:57 PM Friday, you wrote:

>    Here is my own question for the group.  How many of you work with a
>friend/spouse on memorization and review?  I am confident that this type of
>help and accountability can make a big difference.  Comments?

Three things make Scripture memory work, even for "memleakee" people like
me....

Review, Accountability, and Desire.

There's accountability, and then there's accountability, ya know what I
mean? I say, there has to be a form to be signed (a covenant -in Memlok) by
the helper who is to be fired if he doesn't aggressively initiate "Let's
hear it" and then signs a "completion record" (in Memlok) so there's an
ongoing record of progress.

Eccl 4:9,10,12 suggests 3 is better than 2. My experience verifiess that.

If your mate is your partner, it breaks down when you haven't been "up to
par" for the week. Often you don't ask your mate. It is also prone to
"commonness" as in, there are so many other things we're trying to keep up
in the air. Plus, if there is tension over an unresolved issue, it's easy
to "get out of the rhythym". Then getting started is hard.

My pastor for years (Chuck Swindoll) had an unsaved marine hold him
accountable. The guy wrote years later. "I knew what you were doing Mr
Famous Guy, and yes, I'm a believer today!" Cool!

I recommend the key primary partner be a same-sex, firm, regularly seen (at
least once a week) person. Of course, we still hold the kids accountable,
but that can break down over the long haul. They should be "secondary"
partners as I suggest the mate should be too.

Just one opinion. Definitely don't try to be the lone ranger. Even he had
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Stephen asked;  <<   Here is my own question for the group.  How many of you
work with a friend/spouse on memorization and review?  I am confident that
this type of  help and accountability can make a big difference.  Comments?
>>


Okay, I'll bite.  I mentioned this some time ago.  First, I'm very strong on
daily family worship.  Taking my wife & children to the presence of Christ
in
family Psalm/Hymn singing, Scripture reading, & praying.  Well I mention
that
because in this very context (the context of worshipping the Only One
worthy!)
we do memorization.  My wife & I memorize the same text.  Usually one verse
at
a time, with the goal of a whole paragraph or Psalm.  Then the children (14
&
10) have theirs (which I have selected).  My memorization plan for them
includes (1) The Westminster Shorter Catechism (a Reformation Teaching tool
that was used quite regularly in Presbyterian, Baptist & Congregational
circles for centuries, & is making a come back now.  It takes the Scriptural
teachings & systematizes them into a flowing theological schema); (2)
Individual verses when they're younger; (3) lerger sections of scripture as
they get older (to include whole Psalms); (4) & even to include a few hymns.
Rigerous stuff, eh?  But this what I do.

Then every morning & evening we all, at the breakfast/dinner table; repeat
our
memorization stuff that we're working on.  That way we get to see each other
stumble, bumble, & finally succeed.  It's a great way for me, the pastor &
bishop of my family, to see how well they're doing & to find out if they
understand what they're memorizing, etc.

Well, enough.  This may seem overwhelming, but it's not really.  It's simply
taking three to five minutes of your morning & three to five minutes of your
evening - to lead your family closer to Christ.  It does require a little
self-discipline, but God has not given us a spirit of fear; but of love &
power & of self-control (2 Tim 1:7).

Michael W.  Philliber
Air Force Health Professions Recruiter
(Retire April 1999, 20 yrs service);
Part-time student at Reformed Theological
Seminary-Jackson MS;  Preacher  Pickens
Presbyerian Church (PCA) in Mississippi;
Full-time hubby (19 years!) & daddy of three
(14, 10, 1).

On Sat, 17 Oct 1998 18:41:21 -0600 (MDT) Ub2koolaol.com writes:

>The Westminster Shorter Catechism (a Reformation Teaching
>tool that was used quite regularly in Presbyterian, Baptist &
>Congregational circles for centuries, & is making a come back now.  It
takes the
>Scriptural teachings & systematizes them into a flowing theological
schema).

A similar tool is Luther's small catechism, which has the advantage of
being shorter, and therefore more easily memorized. The actual catechism
is about ten pages long, but is usually buried in a hundred pages of
comments and explanations.

>even to include a few hymns.

Hymns are excellent for small children to memorized. Their structures of
meter and rhyme make them ideal for memory. They naturally "lock in" to
young minds (and old minds, too!).

- Andy Smith

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In a message dated 10/17/98 7:48:03 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
a.c.smithjuno.com writes:

> >Here is my own question for the group.  How many of you work with
>  >a friend/spouse on memorization and review?  I am confident that this
>  >type of help and accountability can make a big difference.  Comments?
>
>  I think that it would be a great help to do this. Unfortunately, my wife
>  is a PK (preacher's kid), and had to memorize so much as a child that
>  she's sick of it. So I do it on my own.
>

I find that my wife enjoys it when I recite a chapter to her at night before
going to sleep. It kind of fits with the Eph 5  passage that we husbands are
to wash our wives with the water through the word.

She does not particularly care to check me for accuracy, though she will if
I
am gettng ready for a presentation.

Dean May
Terre Haute, IN

Stephen:

Well, I'm convicted!  No, I don't have a partner.  Yes, Drake, I AM being a
Lone Ranger. Like Andrew, my spouse is turned off by memorization.  Well,
I'm making this a matter of prayer.  The Lord has someone out there for me
to be accountable to........I'll keep you posted.

Lorry

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Simpson 
To: biblememorymylist.net 
Date: Friday, October 16, 1998 11:04 PM
Subject: Moderator's Note


>Greetings,
>
>    At this time there are now 200 members of the biblememory discussion
>list!
>
>    I have just put up the archives to the list for July, August and
>September. You can read these files at
>http://home.istar.ca/~ssimpson/archives.shtml
>
>    I would also like to encourage more of you to participate in our
>conversation on Bible memorization and meditation.  With 200 members, I am
>sure that more of you have things to share.  Do not hesitate to share the
>things which make scripture memorization difficult for you.  If you are
>struggling with maintaining scripture memory habits, but wish it to change,
>perhaps the rest of the group can encourage you.
>
>    Here is my own question for the group.  How many of you work with a
>friend/spouse on memorization and review?  I am confident that this type of
>help and accountability can make a big difference.  Comments?
>
>Stephen Simpson
>ssimpsonistar.ca
>
>
>

Greetings,

    My son is currently in the French Immersion program at his school.  He
is in grade one.  For our non Canadian friends, this is a setting in which
most of what is spoken in the classroom is French, not English.   This means
that his education in basic English, such as spelling, reading and writing
is up to myself and my wife.  This is very time consuming because we have to
review his French as well.  I intend on using the NIV Bible as his reader,
speller
and guide for printing in English.  I know that this is a very old idea.  I
think the Jews who learned to read and write did so from their scriptures.
It is a good way to do two things at once.   My question is, does anyone
else have any comment / information on this way of learning English /
memorizing and learning scripture?

Stephen Simpson
ssimpsonistar.ca

Andy;

My comments:<< >The Westminster Shorter Catechism (a Reformation Teaching
>tool that was used quite regularly in Presbyterian, Baptist &
Congregational
circles for centuries, & is making a come back now.  It  takes the
Scriptural
teachings & systematizes them into a flowing theological schema).<>>

Your comments <>

Yes, I too enjoy Luther's Small Catechism (w/ the exception of his division
of
the 10 Commandments).  & his terse, sharp & to-the-point definitions of the
10
Commandments.  & I think as long as both of these Catechisms (& the
Heidelburg
Catechism as well) are seen as great tools in family instruction of the
doctrines & theology of Sacred Scripture, then as fathers & bishops of our
homes, we have valuable tools in the training up of our children in the
instruction & admonition of the Lord.  All three Catechisms, in fact, have
"Scripture Proofs", which give a great systemization in memorization.  I
hope
that anyone reading this would be encouraged to start using such valuable
tools with their children (as well as for themselves).

One final thought.  I tried to stress in my previous post, the significance
of
family memorization in the context of family times of worship (daily
preferably).  Again, let me stress it.  If I, my wife & children see that
we're memorizing within the context of adoring & worshipping the One &
Almighty God, then it may help to (1) encourage greater undertanding of the
text & purpose of memorizing that specific text, & (2) encourage greater
DEPTH
in worshipping the Lord Christ (the goal of our lives & our memorization.
Right?)

Michael W.  Philliber

Many thanks to Keith Swayne for the guide to reading through the NT.
Mike Jackson
jacksonmgghlaw.com

a.c.smith commented:

>Any way in which you can include music (make a simple song out of a verse
>to be memorized, or buy such on cassettes or CDs) is very helpful for
>small children.

I thoroughly agree with you on this one. I have a 6 year old and a nine
year old and I we have purchased some of Integrity music's Donut Man
cassettes for children. Each one has a central theme and scripture verses
to it that emphasize the meaning... then the verses themselves are set to
music or done in a rhythmic chant where they are easy to remember. I've
done the same thing with my children also... for example we "created" an
additional verse to "Jesus loves me" by putting the words to John 3:16 to
the tune. And in the course where the words "for the Bible tells me so"
go... we substituted "for John 3:16 says so"

My now 6 year old daughter was quoting John 3:16 at the age of 3 1/2 by
putting it to music. Take your child's favorite tunes and put scripture
verses to them. It definitely works. It's also helped me remember them.

I know most of the Christmas and Easter stories and Passages from Isaiah
and Revelations from music (The Messiah, and various Easter and Christmas
cantatas that have set the words to music)... John W. Peterson wrote many
cantatas that were the Scripture, verbatim, set to music. It works well for
adults too.

By the way in case I've failed to introduce myself, my name is Robin. I'm a
36 year old mother of two, married and working at the State University of
West Georgia. My 30 minute drive each morning and evening to work are
wonderful opportunities for scripture memory tapes  and this time of
year... Christmas cantata tapes.

Integrity Music also has a series of Scripture Memory tapes for adults..
they are themed verses on various topics from Spiritual Warfare to Praising
God in Song..... They are also helpful if you like contemporary Christian
music. If you don't then don't order them.

Robin Witcher, ITS
Visit "The Bean Pole" at http://www.westga.edu/~rwitcher

From: Andrew C Smith 


>Any way in which you can include music (make a simple song out of a verse
>to be memorized, or buy such on cassettes or CDs) is very helpful for
>small children.
>


We used a wonderful CD from Steve Green at Vacation Bible School this summer
called "Hide 'Em in Your Heart" which is all songs directly from Scripture
for children.  There's a video too.  Very well done and the kids LOVED the
music and really learned the words to the songs, the verses,. which included
the references.

In a message dated 10/19/98 4:21:10 PM Central Daylight Time,
ssimpsonistar.ca writes:

<< My question is, does anyone
else have any comment / information on this way of learning English /
memorizing and learning scripture? >>

I think it's a great idea.

Mike Philliber

This is my first posting.  I wanted to respond briefly to the NT reading
schedule that was sent out.  It is commendable to take on a goal like this.
I found that this would be more than I could handle with all the other goals
I have in my own personal study so I set a goal to read through the gospels
and Acts once during the year and the epistles and Revelation twice.  I
count the chapters and it works out to about 2 chapters a day.  Last year I
also read through the OT  (very important that we continue to read in the
OT) which requires about 2 chapters a day (I read a Psalm each morning and a
portion of the Proverbs so these are not included in my calculations).  You
may have to read 3 for a few days to complete the reading.  This year I have
decided to follow the same pattern for the NT but I wanted to focus on
Genesis so I laid out a plan to read through Genesis (a chapter a day which
is a little more than a month and a half) but to read it through five times
each time using a different translation than I normally read (NASB).
Already this has proven profitable with the insights reading through the
NKJV in my second time through.  I normally would not write my insights down
(I have done it intermittently) but I was given the journal sheets that the
Navigators use to encourage daily Bible reading and a personal response and
I am finding that I am more diligent to make sure I read each day so I can
write down my insights for that day.  I have read the Word of God since I
became a Christian (a definite indicator that a person is a Christian --
John 8:31,32) but I am appreciating this format and realize the value for
someone who has never incorporate personal Bible reading as a non-Christian.

Well enough said for now.

in Christ,
Lloyd Douglas,
Psalm 105.4
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Swayne 
To: biblememoryMyList.net 
Date: Friday, October 16, 1998 7:20 PM
Subject: NT reading schedule


>Lorry Schoenly  wrote:
>>
>> Reading the NT through each month sounds like a challenge.  Do
>you have a
>> schedule you can share that breaks down the NT into 30
>sections?  I'd like
>> to give it a try.
>>
>> Lorry
>
>See the following two schedules. The first allows you to read the
>NT in one month, the second is for two months.
>
>These divisions were made by a computer program called
>QuickVerse. The divisions are usually end at paragraph divisions,
>rather than half way through a story.
>
>I really like QuickVerse. It integrates seamlessly with MS Word,
>has all kids of translations and can integrate with a bunch of
>other study tools. They just released version 5, and a Greek
>version, which I haven't seen. If you're interested, check it out
>at http://www.quickverse.com/.
>
>Read NT in one month (average 256 verses/day)
>
>1. Matthew 1:1-9:31
>2. Matthew 9:32-15:31
>3. Matthew 15:32-23:24
>4. Matthew 23:25-28:20
>5. Mark 1:1-7:13
>6. Mark 7:14-12:44
>7. Mark 13-16; Luke 1:1-2:7
>8. Luke 2:8-8:15
>9. Luke 8:16-13:9
>10. Luke 13:10-20:8
>11. Luke 20:9-24:35
>12. Luke 24:36-53; John 1:1-6:40
>13. John 6:41-11:29
>14. John 11:30-18:11
>15. John 18:12-21:25; Acts 1-4
>16. Acts 5:1-11:15
>17. Acts 11:16-17:15
>18. Acts 17:16-24:27
>19. Acts 25-28; Romans 1-5
>20. Romans 6:1-15:13
>21. Romans 15:14-16:27; 1 Corinthians 1-10
>22. 1 Corinthians 11-16; 2 Corinthians 1-4
>23. 2 Corinthians 5-13; Galatians 1:1-4:11
>24. Galatians 4:12-6:18; Ephesians; Phillipians 1:1-2:11
>25. Phillipians 2:12-4:23; Colossians; 1 Thessalonians 1:1-5:11
>26. 1 Thessalonians 5:12-28; 2 Th; 1 Timothy; 2 Timothy; Titus
>1-2
>27. Titus 3; Philemon; Hebrews 1-10
>28. Hebrews 11-13; James; 1 Peter 1:1-2:10
>29. 1 Peter 2:11-5:14; 2 Peter; 1 John 1:1-5:12
>30. 1 John 5:13-21; 2 John; 3 John; Jude; Revelation 1-10
>31. Revelation 11-22
>
>Read the NT in two months (avg 128 verses/day)
>
>1. Mat 1:1-5:37
>2. Mat 5:38-9:31
>3. Mat 9:32-12:50
>4. Mat 13:1-15:31
>5. Mat 15:32-20:16
>6. Mat 20:17-23:39
>7. Mat 24:1-26:35
>8. Mat 26:36-28:20; Mark 1:1-11
>9. Mark 1:12-4:41
>10. Mark 5-7
>11. Mark 8:1-10:34
>12. Mark 10:35-13:23
>13. Mark 13:24-16:8
>14. Mark 16:9-20; Luke 1:1-2:38
>15. Luke 2:39-6:11
>16. Luke 6:12-8:56
>17. Luke 9:1-11:28
>18. Luke 11:29-14:11
>19. Luke 14:12-18:14
>20. Luke 18:15-20:47
>21. Luke 21-22
>22. Luke 23-24; John 1:1-28
>23. John 1:29-4:54
>24. John 5:1-7:13
>25. John 7:14-9:34
>26. John 9:35-12:36
>27. John 12:37-16:11
>28. John 16:12-19:42
>29. John 20-21; Acts 1-2
>30. Acts 3:1-7:16
>31. Acts 7:17-9:30
>32. Acts 9:31-13:22
>33. Acts 13:23-16:10
>34. Acts 16:11-19:20
>35. Acts 19:21-22:30
>36. Acts 23:1-27:26
>37. Acts 27:27-28:31; Rom 1-3
>38. Rom 4:1-8:11
>39. Rom 8:12-12:21
>40. Rom 13-16; 1 Cor 1:1-3:9
>41. 1 Cor 3:10-8:13
>42. 1 Cor 9:1-14:12
>43. 1 Cor 14:13-16:24; 2 Cor 1
>44. 2 Cor 2-9
>45. 2 Cor 10-13; Gal 1-2
>46. Gal 3-6; Eph 1
>47. Eph 2-6; Phil 1:1-11
>48. Phil 1:12-4:23; Col 1:1-23
>49. Col 1:24-4:18; 1 Th 1-3
>50. 1 Th 4-5; 2 Th; 1 Tim 1-4
>51. 1 Tim 5-6; 2 Tim
>52. Titus; Phile; Heb 1-3
>53. Heb 4:1-10:31
>54. Heb 10:32-13:25; James 1
>55. James 2-5; 1 Pet 1
>56. 1 Pet 2-5; 2 Pet 1-2
>57. 2 Pet 3; 1 John 1:1-5:12
>58. 1 John 5:13-21; 2 John; 3 John; Jude; Rev 1:1-3:13
>59. Rev 3:14-10:11
>60. Rev 11:1-17:8
>61. Rev 17:9-22:21
>
>Keith Swayne
>"Quot linguas calles, tot homines vales." -- Charles V
>
>languagehome.com
>
>
>
>

We used a wonderful CD from Steve Green at Vacation Bible School this summer
>called "Hide 'Em in Your Heart" which is all songs directly from Scripture
>for children.

Oh, Thank you so much for this information!!


Cathy Cox
prov31mindspring.com

Andrew Smith said...
>Any way in which you can include music (make a simple song out of a verse
>to be memorized, or buy such on cassettes or CDs) is very helpful for
>small children.

There are a number of scripture songs for kids at the Scripture Song
Source website.
They are free downloads!
http://place2b.org/scrpsngsrc/
Dave Cook

I work with my brother sometimes. Whenever I get to where I feel like I
just can't concentrate or I'm not getting anything done I ask him to
work with me. Just having to quote it out loud helps me. Our quiz team
keeps each other accountable. We set two week goals for each other and
then come up with crazy punishments for if we don't accomplish them. I
had to propose to someone once when I didn't finish in time. ;(
         -Amy

----Original Message Follows----
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:57:54 -0600 (MDT)
To: 
From: "Stephen Simpson" 
Subject: Moderator's Note
Reply-To: biblememoryMyList.net

Greetings,

    At this time there are now 200 members of the biblememory discussion
list!

    I have just put up the archives to the list for July, August and
September. You can read these files at
http://home.istar.ca/~ssimpson/archives.shtml

    I would also like to encourage more of you to participate in our
conversation on Bible memorization and meditation.  With 200 members, I
am
sure that more of you have things to share.  Do not hesitate to share
the
things which make scripture memorization difficult for you.  If you are
struggling with maintaining scripture memory habits, but wish it to
change,
perhaps the rest of the group can encourage you.

    Here is my own question for the group.  How many of you work with a
friend/spouse on memorization and review?  I am confident that this type
of
help and accountability can make a big difference.  Comments?

Stephen Simpson
ssimpsonistar.ca







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I work on my verses alone...While I'd like to have an accountability
partner,
I haven't found anyone to work with me on this yet.  :(

Love reading all the ideas!

I used to memorize the verse numbers.  But then I decided to do it like
Jesus
and just say "it is written."  :)  Actually I 've decided now just to work
on
whole books, and only memorize the chapter number.  I can then easily find
what I'm looking for if I need to show it to someone.

Peg

Hi people!

I've just joined the list and thought I'd introduce myself. My name's
Robyn and I'm 21 from Adelaide, Australia. I've been a Christian for
about five years but haven't really gotten into reading the Bible - so I
decided that maybe learning bible verses would be a good way of getting
into the word of God. I've only started recently - in the last week or
two, so I'm pretty new at it but it's great. I'm learning heaps about
the Bible and also the verses I'm learning have really come in handy at
times (like when I've been stressing and I remember Phil 4:6). I was so
shocked the first time that happened!! It was great! It was a real help
coming across the Scripture Memorization Page - it really challanged me
to put some time and effort into it, and made me think about why I was
doing it.

So have a great day everyone, from a new memorizer, Robyn xx

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On 29 Oct, Robyn Meyer wrote:
> Hi people!
>
> I've just joined the list and thought I'd introduce myself. My name's
> Robyn and I'm 21 from Adelaide, Australia.

Well wouldn't ya know it... Someone else from little old Adelaide!  My
name is Tim, I'm 24, and I've been a Christian for pretty much all my
life (although I guess only really started taking it seriously in high
school).

> I've been a Christian for
> about five years but haven't really gotten into reading the Bible - so I
> decided that maybe learning bible verses would be a good way of getting
> into the word of God. I've only started recently - in the last week or
> two, so I'm pretty new at it but it's great. I'm learning heaps about
> the Bible and also the verses I'm learning have really come in handy at
> times (like when I've been stressing and I remember Phil 4:6). I was so
> shocked the first time that happened!! It was great! It was a real help
> coming across the Scripture Memorization Page - it really challanged me
> to put some time and effort into it, and made me think about why I was
> doing it.

I must admit that I've been slack haven't yet started memorising, but
last night my small group and I decided that we'd all take on the
challenge, which means lots of people to be accountable to (I knew I
wouldn't be able to do it by myself)!

I'm very thankful that I found the web site too, as it really has opened
my eyes to the need for memorisation.  This list also has lots of good
ideas, and it's so good to see people so positive about reading the
bible (honing that Sword of the Spirit).

It's great to hear that memorising is really working for you.  That in
itself has spurred me on a bit (including the fact that it's someone
geographically close to me, and not half a world away).  I pray that
God richly blesses you with His word constantly!

> So have a great day everyone, from a new memorizer, Robyn xx

I wasn't earlier on today, but I think I will now (I needed to hear
that bible verse too)!  It's amazing how God works!

Tim.

Standing at the foot of the Cross....

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In a message dated 10/28/98 7:20:55 AM Central Standard Time, Php12aol.com
writes:

<< Actually I 've decided now just to work  on whole books, and only
memorize
the chapter number.  I can then easily find what I'm looking for if I need
to
show it to someone. >>

Always someone trying to show off (;~)

Keep it up.

Mike Philliber

Wow, that's quite an undertaking.  I haven't memorized scripture in a long
time... really want too...

Kimberly
-----Original Message-----
From: Php12aol.com 
To: biblememoryMyList.net 
Date: Wednesday, October 28, 1998 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: Moderator's Note


>I work on my verses alone...While I'd like to have an accountability
>partner,
>I haven't found anyone to work with me on this yet.  :(
>
>Love reading all the ideas!
>
>I used to memorize the verse numbers.  But then I decided to do it like
>Jesus
>and just say "it is written."  :)  Actually I 've decided now just to work
>on
>whole books, and only memorize the chapter number.  I can then easily find
>what I'm looking for if I need to show it to someone.
>
>Peg
>
>
>
>