Sent: Sunday, September 27, 1998 8:27 PM Subject: RE: Just Jumped In.... From: "James Long" Who said scripture memory while driving was a no-no?!?! This is one of the BEST times to review. Otherwise commuting is sort of a black hole that just sucks time. My van has a seam in the steering wheel where I can slip a verse card and the verse card will stand up. I can glance at the verse and still drive fine. I also have used the verses on tape method -- works great. A friend of mine was working on the Navigator TMS (old 108 verse version). She got a different friend to read a section (18 verses) into the tape recorder so each section was a different friends voice. One guy did his section in the voice of Sean Connery with the inflection on key words. It was really funny, and produced memory. There are certain verses in the TMS that I say in my head in the voice of Sean Connery (especially any verse with the word "sword") This tape was fun and is a great review tool. Maybe those of you with kids could have your kids read the verses in, or maybe a spouse. Just a few thoughts from the University of Kentucky...... James Long -----Original Message----- From: owner-biblememoryMyList.net [mailto:owner-biblememoryMyList.net]On Behalf Of Lorry Schoenly Sent: Sunday, September 27, 1998 8:27 PM To: biblememoryMyList.net Subject: Just Jumped In.... Hi, All! I just discovered this list and it is just what I needed. The Lord has been gracious to me [again]. I have been diligently memorizing scripture for about 18 months and it has been very fruitful. I have now quite an unweldy pile of index cards and am befuddled as to how to keep up review and go on to new verses. The Website online book on scripture memory has encouraged me to start memorizing chapters now :-). That will be a new challenge. I am glad for this list as I hope to gain encouragment to stay with it. I am a 42 yo wife and mother of a 20yo son. I work as a nurse educator in a business setting. I do my scripture memory work while commuting 2 hours daily. [I know this is a no-no but it works for me - especially the review part]. Am looking forward to fellowship and encouragement....... Lorry =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 06:15:54 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Entire list From: "The Lauzons" I enjoy memorizing Scripture. Some of my favorite verses are: 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 2 Corinthians 1:2-4 Galatians 5:22-26 We post our verses on our frig or even on our steering wheel of our car. God Bless you all, melanie mtlauzonmonisys.ca =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 06:15:55 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Just Jumped In.... From: Tamara Carman You just gave me an idea I hadn't thought of. I commute 3 hours a day! hmmmmm. :-) Lorry Schoenly wrote: > Hi, All! I just discovered this list and it is just what I needed. The > Lord has been gracious to me [again]. I have been diligently memorizing > scripture for about 18 months and it has been very fruitful. I have now > quite an unweldy pile of index cards and am befuddled as to how to keep up > review and go on to new verses. The Website online book on scripture memory > has encouraged me to start memorizing chapters now :-). That will be a new > challenge. I am glad for this list as I hope to gain > encouragment to stay with it. > > I am a 42 yo wife and mother of a 20yo son. I work as a nurse educator in a > business setting. I do my scripture memory work while commuting 2 hours > daily. [I know this is a no-no but it works for me - especially the review > part]. > > Am looking forward to fellowship and encouragement....... > > Lorry -- Tamara Carman =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 06:18:50 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Entire list From: "Bramblewood" Praise the Lord, For a lot of different reasons, my husband and I are going off the "Net" for a while. my new e-mail address will be carol.dixonusa.net from the local Library access. But while I've been weaning myself off the "net " I've been spending so much more time in the Bible. It's like I never read it before. I'm finishing off the last of John and it's so beautiful how Jesus ministered to Lazarus and his sisters. Visit New Life site at http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/1195 -----Original Message----- From: The Lauzons To: biblememoryMyList.net Date: Friday, October 02, 1998 5:23 AM Subject: Entire list :I enjoy memorizing Scripture. Some of my favorite verses are: :1 Corinthians 13:4-7 : 2 Corinthians 1:2-4 :Galatians 5:22-26 :We post our verses on our frig or even on our steering wheel of our car. :God Bless you all, :melanie :mtlauzonmonisys.ca : : : : =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 06:18:51 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Just Jumped In.... From: Lorry Schoenly wrote: > I have now > > quite an unweldy pile of index cards and am befuddled as to how to keep up > > review and go on to new verses. > > I do my scripture memory work while commuting 2 hours > > daily. [I know this is a no-no but it works for me - especially the review > > part]. I have a pile of index cards w/ one to two chaptes on each of everything I have memorized- laser printed front and back, 10 pt Ariel font. Pick a new card every day for quick review and put it on the bottom of the pile when done. This makes sure everything gets reviewed on a regular basis. Scripiture tapes also work great for review. Quote the passage with the reader, staying about 1/2 a word ahead. You know instantly if you have made a mistake. The car is a wonderful place to work on memory or to review (you can read a billboard, can't you?). I speak it out loud while driving holding the card over the steering wheel. I glance down as needed when stuck on a phrase. If you are working on a new verse, try to have it mostly memorized before getting in the car. When reciting the passage, try speaking it dramatically, putting emphasis where you think the writer would have put it if he were preaching it. Then, schedule a time at your church and recite it in front of the congregation, or perhaps during worship time between songs, if it is appropriate. Just be sure to use a loud clear voice so everyone can hear. God's word ministered in such a way is extremely powerful. Dean May Terre Haute, IN =============================================================================== Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 18:11:02 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Scripture Meditation From: "Lorry Schoenly" Fellow Listers: I am reading Richard Foster's book "Celebration of Discipline" and I am intrigued by his take on meditation. How do each of you meditate on scripture? Do you have a formal or informal process? What benefits have you derived from it? Right now my meditations on scripture are rather random, as the HS brings things to mind, and especially as I am memorizing scripture. I am wondering if meditation should be a structured discipline similar to prayer where a time is set aside regularly for that activity. Thoughts?? Lorry =============================================================================== Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 18:11:00 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Scripture Memory Pearls From: "Lorry Schoenly" Dean: You have some great ideas there. Seems we are somewhat on the same wavelength. I, too, laser print my verses on index cards. I seem to need a larger print, though, to be able to quickly glance at them while driving. Maybe when I am in the review stage I can lower the point size to 10. That is the beauty of using the computer because you can go back into your data file and edit the point size :-) I have a CD of the New Testament and Psalms but unfortunately it is in a different version than I memorize. I like NKJV and it isn't as popular for audiotape. I'll keep looking, though. I like the idea of reciting verses in church. I have refrained from doing that because it seems very few folks memorize and I feel like I am boasting or something to get up and quote a passage. I am praying that I get over this and am able to do it humbly as unto the Lord. I HAVE started including scripture in my prayers as the Holy Spirit brings them to mind. It has been a very enriching experience. Could folks on the list share some of their favorite passages and why? Lorry -----Original Message----- From: DeanMayaol.com To: biblememorymylist.net Date: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 8:25 AM Subject: Re: Just Jumped In.... > >Lorry Schoenly wrote: >> I have now >> > quite an unweldy pile of index cards and am befuddled as to how to keep >up >> > review and go on to new verses. > >> > I do my scripture memory work while commuting 2 hours >> > daily. [I know this is a no-no but it works for me - especially the >review >> > part]. > >I have a pile of index cards w/ one to two chaptes on each of everything I >have memorized- laser printed front and back, 10 pt Ariel font. Pick a new >card every day for quick review and put it on the bottom of the pile when >done. This makes sure everything gets reviewed on a regular basis. > >Scripiture tapes also work great for review. Quote the passage with the >reader, staying about 1/2 a word ahead. You know instantly if you have made >a >mistake. > >The car is a wonderful place to work on memory or to review (you can read a >billboard, can't you?). I speak it out loud while driving holding the card >over the steering wheel. I glance down as needed when stuck on a phrase. If >you are working on a new verse, try to have it mostly memorized before >getting >in the car. > >When reciting the passage, try speaking it dramatically, putting emphasis >where you think the writer would have put it if he were preaching it. Then, >schedule a time at your church and recite it in front of the congregation, >or >perhaps during worship time between songs, if it is appropriate. Just be >sure >to use a loud clear voice so everyone can hear. God's word ministered in >such >a way is extremely powerful. > >Dean May >Terre Haute, IN > > > =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 19:10:44 -0600 (MDT) Subject: ministry opportunities From: In a message dated 10/10/98 7:11:44 PM US Eastern Standard Time, lorryblackboard.com writes: > I like the idea of reciting verses in church. I have refrained from doing > that because it seems very few folks memorize and I feel like I am boasting > or something to get up and quote a passage. I am praying that I get over > this and am able to do it humbly as unto the Lord. I HAVE started including > scripture in my prayers as the Holy Spirit brings them to mind. It has been > a very enriching experience. > > Could folks on the list share some of their favorite passages and why? > It is very difficult to dramatically recite scripture in church in humility- especially when people come to you afterward and tell you how much it moved them. But that is exactly the reason to do it: it does powerfully minister to God's people. I also use scripture liberally when praying for people. I have the privilege of being a prayer counseler at the alter during ministry time and get to do it often. Some favorite passages: Various parts of Romans 8, especially vs. 31 to 35, excellent for those being beat up by the devil II Cor 4:16-18 very good for people facing hardships II Cor 5:1-5 excellent for people grieving death I Pet 1:6-7, 4:12-13, 5:5b-7, 5:10 makes sense out of senseless trials Phil 3:7-14 Perservence Phil 2:1-11 Humility, Meekness we could go on for a while here :) I have found that nothing ministers to people like reciting an appropriate scripture. It is a powerfull motivation to me to memorize as much as possible. Dean May Terre Haute, IN =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 19:10:45 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Scripture Memory Pearls From: "Michael Jackson" I truly enjoy reading all of the ideas and suggestions about memorizing scripture. It has helped me a great deal. But, am I the only person who thinks it is absolutely foolish to "look at" or "quickly glance at" any kind of reading material while you're operating a motor vehicle? I drive more than most people (35,000 miles a year) and I sincerely hope I don't encounter any of you on the road. Most accidents happen "quickly" when you're not paying full time and attention to the road. (It's bad enough with cell phone users where they can see the road but they STILL have a higher accident rate.) Michael E. Jackson jacksonmgghlaw.com Lorry Schoenly wrote: > Dean: > > You have some great ideas there. Seems we are somewhat on the same > wavelength. I, too, laser print my verses on index cards. I seem to need a > larger print, though, to be able to quickly glance at them while driving. > Maybe when I am in the review stage I can lower the point size to 10. That > is the beauty of using the computer because you can go back into your data > file and edit the point size :-) > > I have a CD of the New Testament and Psalms but unfortunately it is in a > different version than I memorize. I like NKJV and it isn't as popular for > audiotape. I'll keep looking, though. > > I like the idea of reciting verses in church. I have refrained from doing > that because it seems very few folks memorize and I feel like I am boasting > or something to get up and quote a passage. I am praying that I get over > this and am able to do it humbly as unto the Lord. I HAVE started including > scripture in my prayers as the Holy Spirit brings them to mind. It has been > a very enriching experience. > > Could folks on the list share some of their favorite passages and why? > > Lorry > -----Original Message----- > From: DeanMayaol.com > To: biblememorymylist.net > Date: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 8:25 AM > Subject: Re: Just Jumped In.... > > > > >Lorry Schoenly wrote: > >> I have now > >> > quite an unweldy pile of index cards and am befuddled as to how to > keep > >up > >> > review and go on to new verses. > > > >> > I do my scripture memory work while commuting 2 hours > >> > daily. [I know this is a no-no but it works for me - especially the > >review > >> > part]. > > > >I have a pile of index cards w/ one to two chaptes on each of everything I > >have memorized- laser printed front and back, 10 pt Ariel font. Pick a new > >card every day for quick review and put it on the bottom of the pile when > >done. This makes sure everything gets reviewed on a regular basis. > > > >Scripiture tapes also work great for review. Quote the passage with the > >reader, staying about 1/2 a word ahead. You know instantly if you have made > >a > >mistake. > > > >The car is a wonderful place to work on memory or to review (you can read a > >billboard, can't you?). I speak it out loud while driving holding the card > >over the steering wheel. I glance down as needed when stuck on a phrase. If > >you are working on a new verse, try to have it mostly memorized before > >getting > >in the car. > > > >When reciting the passage, try speaking it dramatically, putting emphasis > >where you think the writer would have put it if he were preaching it. Then, > >schedule a time at your church and recite it in front of the congregation, > >or > >perhaps during worship time between songs, if it is appropriate. Just be > >sure > >to use a loud clear voice so everyone can hear. God's word ministered in > >such > >a way is extremely powerful. > > > >Dean May > >Terre Haute, IN > > > > > > =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 19:10:39 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Scripture Memory Pearls From: "Anne S" Lorry Gosh, I'm glad you said this: >I like the idea of reciting verses in church. I have refrained from doing >that because it seems very few folks memorize and I feel like I am boasting >or something to get up and quote a passage. I am praying that I get over >this and am able to do it humbly as unto the Lord. I HAVE started including >scripture in my prayers as the Holy Spirit brings them to mind. It has been >a very enriching experience. This is just how I feel! And yes, when Scriptures seem to find their ways into my prayers, even when praying in group, it does seem wonderfully enriching. I am afraid, though, that I haven't been as disciplined as I should as memorizing references with verses and I'm trying to go back and do that for ones I've stored away in past months. Realized the lack when I wanted to look them up later while talking with others about them. =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 19:10:42 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Scripture Meditation From: Drake Mariani Lorry, Here's a "take" on meditation with quite a bit of information you may want to consider. http://www.memlok.com/meditation.htm Hope it helps. Personally, I use a form in Devotional Tools called "Meditation" to record what God speaks to my heart. It has 4 questions to "prod" me. I have done this in a "journal" through the 700 verses in Memlok and it has brought "lift-change" over the years as I've done it one verse a week. I was also looking for something to "happen" in my life related to that verse. I would then put a mark on the card to remind me God is certainly sovereign. Hi James (Long) - cool thoughts. Did the same thing myself for years when the kids were 4-9 or so. What I listened to in the car would be done 5 times for each verse with a pause long enough for them to say the verse in between. This way, they heard my voice, heard the verse 5 times/day and said it 5 times/day. then I rewarded them at the end of the week. At 05:11 PM Saturday, you wrote: > >Fellow Listers: > >I am reading Richard Foster's book "Celebration of Discipline" and I am >intrigued by his take on meditation. How do each of you meditate on >scripture? Do you have a formal or informal process? What benefits have >you derived from it? > >Right now my meditations on scripture are rather random, as the HS brings >things to mind, and especially as I am memorizing scripture. I am >wondering if meditation should be a structured discipline similar to prayer >where a time is set aside regularly for that activity. > >Thoughts?? > >Lorry > Drake Mariani memlokpacbell.net 800-373-1947 Memlok.com (Bible Memory) Free Brochure http://www.memlok.com Laugh! Archives http://www.memlok.com/laugh.htm Free "Net Blocking" http://www.memlok.com/deolira.htm Y2K Reference Guide http://www.memlok.com/y2k.htm Dozens of quality Free offers http://www.memlok.com/freestuf.htm 36 Free Scripture Memory Tips http://www.memlok.com/tips.htm Free 800# "Donate long distance bill" http://www.memlok.com/harvest.htm Save to 40% Memlok Book/Music Store http://www.memlok.com/bookstore.htm =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 19:10:48 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Scripture Memory in the Car From: "Lorry Schoenly" Making my own tapes - Dah-h-h - now why didn't I think of that? How convenient and inexpensive. I am going to start this week and make a tape of Phillipians. Thanks, James, for the great idea! I guess I thought memory while driving was a no-no because of what I originally read on the website about the potential for accidents. Seems, though, that a lot of you 'old timers' to scripture memory find this a good way to 'redeem the time' so I am not so far off anyway. When you add up how many hours you spend in the car each week it can increase your verse cache considerably over time. Lorry -----Original Message----- From: James Long To: biblememorymylist.net Date: Saturday, October 10, 1998 8:17 PM Subject: RE: Just Jumped In.... >Who said scripture memory while driving was a no-no?!?! This is one of the >BEST times to review. Otherwise commuting is sort of a black hole that just >sucks time. My van has a seam in the steering wheel where I can slip a verse >card and the verse card will stand up. I can glance at the verse and still >drive fine. I also have used the verses on tape method -- works great. A >friend of mine was working on the Navigator TMS (old 108 verse version). She >got a different friend to read a section (18 verses) into the tape recorder >so each section was a different friends voice. One guy did his section in >the voice of Sean Connery with the inflection on key words. It was really >funny, and produced memory. There are certain verses in the TMS that I say >in my head in the voice of Sean Connery (especially any verse with the word >"sword") This tape was fun and is a great review tool. Maybe those of you >with kids could have your kids read the verses in, or maybe a spouse. > >Just a few thoughts from the University of Kentucky...... > >James Long > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-biblememoryMyList.net >[mailto:owner-biblememoryMyList.net]On Behalf Of Lorry Schoenly >Sent: Sunday, September 27, 1998 8:27 PM >To: biblememoryMyList.net >Subject: Just Jumped In.... > > > >Hi, All! I just discovered this list and it is just what I needed. The >Lord has been gracious to me [again]. I have been diligently memorizing >scripture for about 18 months and it has been very fruitful. I have now >quite an unweldy pile of index cards and am befuddled as to how to keep up >review and go on to new verses. The Website online book on scripture memory >has encouraged me to start memorizing chapters now :-). That will be a new >challenge. I am glad for this list as I hope to gain >encouragment to stay with it. > >I am a 42 yo wife and mother of a 20yo son. I work as a nurse educator in a >business setting. I do my scripture memory work while commuting 2 hours >daily. [I know this is a no-no but it works for me - especially the review >part]. > >Am looking forward to fellowship and encouragement....... > >Lorry > > > > > =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:42:54 -0600 (MDT) Subject: New list member and refs From: "Keith Swayne" Hi there. I'm a new subscriber to this list. I am a 38 year-old husband and father of five. I work for a printing company and teach Spanish in a coffee shop a few times a week. I have been memorizing paragraphs, chapters, and occasionally, individual verses for a few years. I read Koine Greek (and have taught it to a small group through the local night school). This year I have maintained one of very few consistent disciplines: I read the NT once a month (avg 256 verses per day). It has given a real surge of power to my teaching and daily walk. It takes me about 45 min. per day. I'm not a quick reader. I use the alphanumeric system for references that Amy mentions (below). "Enough chow" = 2 8 6 which is Mark 8:6. This helps me alot. But it's only one of many tools, none of which is complete by itself. I agree with Amy that it's much easier to learn chunks rather than snippets. I am memorizing from the NASB 95 Update (the newest one, without the Thee's and Thou's). Anyone else using this version? I'd love to hear from you. Keith Swayne "Quot linguas calles, tot homines vales." -- Charles V ---------- > From: Amy Martindale > To: biblememoryMyList.net > Subject: Re: Scripture Memory Pearls > Date: Tuesday, October 13, 1998 9:49 AM > > Anne - > About memorizing the references with verses, that has been the absolute > hardest thing for me. I've even tried a system where each number is a > phonetic sound (1=t or d,2=n,3=m,etc.) I've gotten a lot of teasing for > that method. :) The only way I've been able to really remember > references -over months and years- not just days, is to memorize whole > chapters and books at a time. It's easier for me to memorize 20 verses > when each one builds on the last then 20 totally seperate verses. It's > really important for me to get the verses by reference though. It > doesn't work if I have to start at verse one to figure out what verse 47 > is. Generally I memorize a chapter with the numbers in between verses > and then write out a card for each one. I'll go from quoting each verse > in a row to quoting every other verse to every third verse to completely > shuffling them. One advantage of this method for me is that I've > memorized verses that I wouldn't have otherwise. Verses that did't stick > out when I just read them have meant a lot to me when I've meditated on > them and memorized them. > > -Amy- > - > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:49:01 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Remembering verse numbers From: In a message dated 10/13/98 1:01:28 AM US Eastern Standard Time, > I am afraid, though, that I haven't been as disciplined as I should as > memorizing references with verses and I'm trying to go back and do that for > ones I've stored away in past months. Realized the lack when I wanted to > look them up later while talking with others about them. > I work on chapters at a time so that I can usually remember what chapter the scripture is coming from. To me, if you focus on trying to remember the verse numbers you are spending a lot of unnecessary energy. I want my focus to be on the word and not the numbers. Dean May Terre Haute, IN =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:49:09 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: ministry opportunities From: "R. Duane Abernathy" Thank you. You gave me exactly what I needed, when I needed it. Isn't it great to know the Lord is using you to do good things- even if it's something that seems small to us, like a smile. Keep on truckin' brother Dean. DeanMayaol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/10/98 7:11:44 PM US Eastern Standard Time, > lorryblackboard.com writes: > > > I like the idea of reciting verses in church. I have refrained from doing > > that because it seems very few folks memorize and I feel like I am > boasting > > or something to get up and quote a passage. I am praying that I get over > > this and am able to do it humbly as unto the Lord. I HAVE started > including > > scripture in my prayers as the Holy Spirit brings them to mind. It has > been > > a very enriching experience. > > > > Could folks on the list share some of their favorite passages and why? > > > > It is very difficult to dramatically recite scripture in church in humility- > especially when people come to you afterward and tell you how much it moved > them. But that is exactly the reason to do it: it does powerfully minister > to > God's people. > > I also use scripture liberally when praying for people. I have the privilege > of being a prayer counseler at the alter during ministry time and get to do > it > often. Some favorite passages: > Various parts of Romans 8, especially vs. 31 to 35, excellent for those > being > beat up by the devil > II Cor 4:16-18 very good for people facing hardships > II Cor 5:1-5 excellent for people grieving death > I Pet 1:6-7, 4:12-13, 5:5b-7, 5:10 makes sense out of senseless trials > Phil 3:7-14 Perservence > Phil 2:1-11 Humility, Meekness > > we could go on for a while here :) > > I have found that nothing ministers to people like reciting an appropriate > scripture. It is a powerfull motivation to me to memorize as much as > possible. > > Dean May > Terre Haute, IN =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:49:06 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Scripture Memory Pearls From: "Amy Martindale" Anne - About memorizing the references with verses, that has been the absolute hardest thing for me. I've even tried a system where each number is a phonetic sound (1=t or d,2=n,3=m,etc.) I've gotten a lot of teasing for that method. :) The only way I've been able to really remember references -over months and years- not just days, is to memorize whole chapters and books at a time. It's easier for me to memorize 20 verses when each one builds on the last then 20 totally seperate verses. It's really important for me to get the verses by reference though. It doesn't work if I have to start at verse one to figure out what verse 47 is. Generally I memorize a chapter with the numbers in between verses and then write out a card for each one. I'll go from quoting each verse in a row to quoting every other verse to every third verse to completely shuffling them. One advantage of this method for me is that I've memorized verses that I wouldn't have otherwise. Verses that did't stick out when I just read them have meant a lot to me when I've meditated on them and memorized them. -Amy- - ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:49:04 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Scripture Memory Pearls From: In a message dated 10/13/98 12:13:32 AM US Eastern Standard Time, jacksonmgghlaw.com writes: > But, am I the only person who thinks it is absolutely foolish to "look at" or "quickly glance at" any kind of readingmaterial while you're operating a motor vehicle? Michael, Do you glance at billboards? Road signs? Do you sing along with the radio or tape? We are not talking about reading the passage but glancing down to confirm a word or phrase. And when you are working with the same card for several days you get to know where you are at without having to do a lot of searching around. Dean May Terre Haute, IN =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 06:26:23 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: (how to) Scripture Meditation From: Andy Smith, Thank you so much for sharing these suggestions.....it inspired me to begin a journal of my studies using these five questions as a starting point for my meditation. I am more of a typer than a writer, but I do like having notes to look back upon. So, I will keep my journal on my PC. This may sound odd, but I think it will be most effective for me. I ask the group to keep me in your prayers, elaine In a message dated 98-10-13 12:51:21 EDT, you write: << One way is to ask yourself five questions about any given verse: 1. What do I learn from this verse? 2. What in this verse causes me to say "Thanks" to God? 3. What does this verse tell me to do in the future? 4. What sins might I need to confess to God because of this verse? 5. What does this verse prompt me to ask from God? There are many different ways to meditate on the Bible, but they're all good, because it's God's Word. >> =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 06:26:29 -0600 (MDT) Subject: References From: "Lee Schaeffer" Hi, Because of my background I HATE to learn verses without knowing the reference. Since I've heard others on here mention some struggles remember the refereces I thought I'd submit my way of reviewing them to you all. I take index cards with the verse written (or printed) on one side and the reverence on the other. After I finish learning a bunch of them (normally a chapter), I shuffle them. We'll call this Stack "A". I take the first 10 (more after I know them pretty well) off of stack "A". This is stack "B". I start with the first card on stack "B". I look at just the reference and try to quote it to myself. Then I check myself by turning it over and reading the verse. If I struggle at all to remember which verse it was, or if I misquote it I put it on the bottom of stack "B". If I get it correct I remove it and put the top card from stack "A" on the bottom of stack "B". Trying to explain it only in text makes it sound confusing, but it's pretty simple. The benifits of this is that you keep asking yourself the ones you struggle with and slowly mix in new cards as you get the verses right. Another twist to this is to turn the cards you missed upside down when you put it back into stack "B". Then when you get it right the first time you turn it right-side-up, and return it to the back of stack "B". This forces you to get it right twice in a row after missing it. Comment appreciated :), Lee Schaeffer lschaefnb.net =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 06:26:23 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Remembering verse numbers From: > I work on chapters at a time so that I can usually remember what chapter the > scripture is coming from. To me, if you focus on trying to remember the > verse numbers you are spending a lot of unnecessary energy. One of the Southern Baptist leaders suggests that you state the reference before and after you quote the verse that you're working on. Here's an example: John 3:16 "For God so loved the world" John 3:16 John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son" John 3:16 John 3:16 add a phrase John 3:16 etc. I found that works for me. Stephen stephensmithworks.org =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:19:52 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Free QuickVerse program From: "Keith Swayne" In my previous posting I mentioned QuickVerse for Windows. You can get QuickVerse 4.0 with the KJV for free from http://www.parsonstech.com/software/qv.html. This is the full version (not "nagware" or "crippleware"). You can buy additional translations for about $29 US. Keith Swayne "Quot linguas calles, tot homines vales." -- Charles V languagehome.com =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:57:54 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Moderator's Note From: "Stephen Simpson" Greetings, At this time there are now 200 members of the biblememory discussion list! I have just put up the archives to the list for July, August and September. You can read these files at http://home.istar.ca/~ssimpson/archives.shtml I would also like to encourage more of you to participate in our conversation on Bible memorization and meditation. With 200 members, I am sure that more of you have things to share. Do not hesitate to share the things which make scripture memorization difficult for you. If you are struggling with maintaining scripture memory habits, but wish it to change, perhaps the rest of the group can encourage you. Here is my own question for the group. How many of you work with a friend/spouse on memorization and review? I am confident that this type of help and accountability can make a big difference. Comments? Stephen Simpson ssimpsonistar.ca =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:19:50 -0600 (MDT) Subject: NT reading schedule From: "Keith Swayne" Lorry Schoenly wrote: > > Reading the NT through each month sounds like a challenge. Do you have a > schedule you can share that breaks down the NT into 30 sections? I'd like > to give it a try. > > Lorry See the following two schedules. The first allows you to read the NT in one month, the second is for two months. These divisions were made by a computer program called QuickVerse. The divisions are usually end at paragraph divisions, rather than half way through a story. I really like QuickVerse. It integrates seamlessly with MS Word, has all kids of translations and can integrate with a bunch of other study tools. They just released version 5, and a Greek version, which I haven't seen. If you're interested, check it out at http://www.quickverse.com/. Read NT in one month (average 256 verses/day) 1. Matthew 1:1-9:31 2. Matthew 9:32-15:31 3. Matthew 15:32-23:24 4. Matthew 23:25-28:20 5. Mark 1:1-7:13 6. Mark 7:14-12:44 7. Mark 13-16; Luke 1:1-2:7 8. Luke 2:8-8:15 9. Luke 8:16-13:9 10. Luke 13:10-20:8 11. Luke 20:9-24:35 12. Luke 24:36-53; John 1:1-6:40 13. John 6:41-11:29 14. John 11:30-18:11 15. John 18:12-21:25; Acts 1-4 16. Acts 5:1-11:15 17. Acts 11:16-17:15 18. Acts 17:16-24:27 19. Acts 25-28; Romans 1-5 20. Romans 6:1-15:13 21. Romans 15:14-16:27; 1 Corinthians 1-10 22. 1 Corinthians 11-16; 2 Corinthians 1-4 23. 2 Corinthians 5-13; Galatians 1:1-4:11 24. Galatians 4:12-6:18; Ephesians; Phillipians 1:1-2:11 25. Phillipians 2:12-4:23; Colossians; 1 Thessalonians 1:1-5:11 26. 1 Thessalonians 5:12-28; 2 Th; 1 Timothy; 2 Timothy; Titus 1-2 27. Titus 3; Philemon; Hebrews 1-10 28. Hebrews 11-13; James; 1 Peter 1:1-2:10 29. 1 Peter 2:11-5:14; 2 Peter; 1 John 1:1-5:12 30. 1 John 5:13-21; 2 John; 3 John; Jude; Revelation 1-10 31. Revelation 11-22 Read the NT in two months (avg 128 verses/day) 1. Mat 1:1-5:37 2. Mat 5:38-9:31 3. Mat 9:32-12:50 4. Mat 13:1-15:31 5. Mat 15:32-20:16 6. Mat 20:17-23:39 7. Mat 24:1-26:35 8. Mat 26:36-28:20; Mark 1:1-11 9. Mark 1:12-4:41 10. Mark 5-7 11. Mark 8:1-10:34 12. Mark 10:35-13:23 13. Mark 13:24-16:8 14. Mark 16:9-20; Luke 1:1-2:38 15. Luke 2:39-6:11 16. Luke 6:12-8:56 17. Luke 9:1-11:28 18. Luke 11:29-14:11 19. Luke 14:12-18:14 20. Luke 18:15-20:47 21. Luke 21-22 22. Luke 23-24; John 1:1-28 23. John 1:29-4:54 24. John 5:1-7:13 25. John 7:14-9:34 26. John 9:35-12:36 27. John 12:37-16:11 28. John 16:12-19:42 29. John 20-21; Acts 1-2 30. Acts 3:1-7:16 31. Acts 7:17-9:30 32. Acts 9:31-13:22 33. Acts 13:23-16:10 34. Acts 16:11-19:20 35. Acts 19:21-22:30 36. Acts 23:1-27:26 37. Acts 27:27-28:31; Rom 1-3 38. Rom 4:1-8:11 39. Rom 8:12-12:21 40. Rom 13-16; 1 Cor 1:1-3:9 41. 1 Cor 3:10-8:13 42. 1 Cor 9:1-14:12 43. 1 Cor 14:13-16:24; 2 Cor 1 44. 2 Cor 2-9 45. 2 Cor 10-13; Gal 1-2 46. Gal 3-6; Eph 1 47. Eph 2-6; Phil 1:1-11 48. Phil 1:12-4:23; Col 1:1-23 49. Col 1:24-4:18; 1 Th 1-3 50. 1 Th 4-5; 2 Th; 1 Tim 1-4 51. 1 Tim 5-6; 2 Tim 52. Titus; Phile; Heb 1-3 53. Heb 4:1-10:31 54. Heb 10:32-13:25; James 1 55. James 2-5; 1 Pet 1 56. 1 Pet 2-5; 2 Pet 1-2 57. 2 Pet 3; 1 John 1:1-5:12 58. 1 John 5:13-21; 2 John; 3 John; Jude; Rev 1:1-3:13 59. Rev 3:14-10:11 60. Rev 11:1-17:8 61. Rev 17:9-22:21 Keith Swayne "Quot linguas calles, tot homines vales." -- Charles V languagehome.com =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 06:59:34 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: (how to) Scripture Meditation From: "Lorry Schoenly" Elaine: I, too, type my journal on our PC. It is faster for thought flow and makes it easier to find something later [using the search and find function on the word processor]. You gave me the idea to combine scripture meditation with my journalling - thanks. It is a good match, especially with Andy's questions. I have been slack in my journal-keeping of late - so many other things to be doing - and you have encouraged me to get back to the keyboard. Lorry -----Original Message----- From: RFergu6772aol.com To: biblememorymylist.net Date: Thursday, October 15, 1998 8:31 AM Subject: Re: (how to) Scripture Meditation >Andy Smith, > >Thank you so much for sharing these suggestions.....it inspired me to begin >a >journal of my studies using these five questions as a starting point for my >meditation. I am more of a typer than a writer, but I do like having notes >to >look back upon. So, I will keep my journal on my PC. This may sound odd, >but >I think it will be most effective for me. > >I ask the group to keep me in your prayers, >elaine > >In a message dated 98-10-13 12:51:21 EDT, you write: > ><< One way is to ask yourself five questions about any given verse: >1. What do I learn from this verse? >2. What in this verse causes me to say "Thanks" to God? >3. What does this verse tell me to do in the future? >4. What sins might I need to confess to God because of this verse? >5. What does this verse prompt me to ask from God? > >There are many different ways to meditate on the Bible, but they're all >good, because it's God's Word. >> > > > =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 06:59:34 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: New list member and refs From: "Lorry Schoenly" Keith: Reading the NT through each month sounds like a challenge. Do you have a schedule you can share that breaks down the NT into 30 sections? I'd like to give it a try. Lorry -----Original Message----- From: Keith Swayne To: biblememorymylist.net Date: Tuesday, October 13, 1998 9:50 PM Subject: New list member and refs >Hi there. I'm a new subscriber to this list. I am a 38 year-old >husband and father of five. I work for a printing company and >teach Spanish in a coffee shop a few times a week. > >I have been memorizing paragraphs, chapters, and occasionally, >individual verses for a few years. I read Koine Greek (and have >taught it to a small group through the local night school). This >year I have maintained one of very few consistent disciplines: I >read the NT once a month (avg 256 verses per day). It has given a >real surge of power to my teaching and daily walk. It takes me >about 45 min. per day. I'm not a quick reader. > >I use the alphanumeric system for references that Amy mentions >(below). "Enough chow" = 2 8 6 which is Mark 8:6. This helps me >alot. But it's only one of many tools, none of which is complete >by itself. I agree with Amy that it's much easier to learn chunks >rather than snippets. > >I am memorizing from the NASB 95 Update (the newest one, without >the Thee's and Thou's). Anyone else using this version? I'd love >to hear from you. > >Keith Swayne >"Quot linguas calles, tot homines vales." -- Charles V > > > >---------- >> From: Amy Martindale >> To: biblememoryMyList.net >> Subject: Re: Scripture Memory Pearls >> Date: Tuesday, October 13, 1998 9:49 AM >> >> Anne - >> About memorizing the references with verses, that has been the >absolute >> hardest thing for me. I've even tried a system where each >number is a >> phonetic sound (1=t or d,2=n,3=m,etc.) I've gotten a lot of >teasing for >> that method. :) The only way I've been able to really remember >> references -over months and years- not just days, is to >memorize whole >> chapters and books at a time. It's easier for me to memorize 20 >verses >> when each one builds on the last then 20 totally seperate >verses. It's >> really important for me to get the verses by reference though. >It >> doesn't work if I have to start at verse one to figure out what >verse 47 >> is. Generally I memorize a chapter with the numbers in between >verses >> and then write out a card for each one. I'll go from quoting >each verse >> in a row to quoting every other verse to every third verse to >completely >> shuffling them. One advantage of this method for me is that >I've >> memorized verses that I wouldn't have otherwise. Verses that >did't stick >> out when I just read them have meant a lot to me when I've >meditated on >> them and memorized them. >> >> -Amy- >> - >> >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________ >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >> >> > > > =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 06:59:32 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: References From: Drake Mariani This is great getting all sorts of ideas for Scripture memory isn't it! Regarding references, in my case, I've found it necessary to use the "true" flip card concept. That is, the answer is on the back as in math. So, after many complained they couldn't remember the references from 1990-1994 in Memlok, and after my own daughter who homeschools our grandkids refrained that problem, I took the references off the front of the card. Now, there's simply the topic and picture (helping your recall the first key words). Thus, you now have to actually "remember" the reference (saying it 'fore and aft' on the front (out loud - to gain the other sense), and on the back. Then, the review system automatically places the cards in daily, weekly, and finally bi-monthly review piles (totally automatic in PC MemLok). The end result is you review a new verse daily (5 days/week) for 6 weeks, weekly for 9 months, and bi-monthly for life. Best of all, the pile is 5 minutes big all the time. That leaves precious time to meditate on the road, in QT's or simply in journaling. Happy memories! At 05:26 AM Thursday, you wrote: >Hi, > > Because of my background I HATE to learn verses without knowing the >reference. Since I've heard others on here mention some struggles remember >the refereces I thought I'd submit my way of reviewing them to you all. > > I take index cards with the verse written (or printed) on one side and >the reverence on the other. > > After I finish learning a bunch of them (normally a chapter), I shuffle >them. We'll call this Stack "A". I take the first 10 (more after I know >them pretty well) off of stack "A". This is stack "B". > > I start with the first card on stack "B". I look at just the reference >and try to quote it to myself. Then I check myself by turning it over and >reading the verse. If I struggle at all to remember which verse it was, or >if I misquote it I put it on the bottom of stack "B". If I get it correct I >remove it and put the top card from stack "A" on the bottom of stack "B". > > Trying to explain it only in text makes it sound confusing, but it's >pretty simple. The benifits of this is that you keep asking yourself the >ones you struggle with and slowly mix in new cards as you get the verses >right. Another twist to this is to turn the cards you missed upside down >when you put it back into stack "B". Then when you get it right the first >time you turn it right-side-up, and return it to the back of stack "B". This >forces you to get it right twice in a row after missing it. > > Comment appreciated :), > Lee Schaeffer > lschaefnb.net > Drake Mariani memlokpacbell.net 800-373-1947 Memlok.com (Bible Memory) Free Brochure http://www.memlok.com Laugh! Archives http://www.memlok.com/laugh.htm Free "Net Blocking" http://www.memlok.com/deolira.htm Y2K Reference Guide http://www.memlok.com/y2k.htm Dozens of quality Free offers http://www.memlok.com/freestuf.htm 36 Free Scripture Memory Tips http://www.memlok.com/tips.htm Free 800# "Donate long distance bill" http://www.memlok.com/harvest.htm Save to 40% Memlok Book/Music Store http://www.memlok.com/bookstore.htm =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 06:59:35 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: References From: "Lorry Schoenly" Lee: Thanks for sharing this great idea. Currently I keep my memorized verses in Bible Chapter order in two rings - one Old Testiment and one New Testiment. Once a week I go from Genesis to Revelation only looking where I stumble. This has helped me to keep track of the verses but is not as helpful for random memory of verse locations for use in conversation and thought. I think I will try adding your random approach to stimulate my recall memory. Lorry -----Original Message----- From: Lee Schaeffer To: biblememorymylist.net Date: Thursday, October 15, 1998 8:31 AM Subject: References >Hi, > > Because of my background I HATE to learn verses without knowing the >reference. Since I've heard others on here mention some struggles remember >the refereces I thought I'd submit my way of reviewing them to you all. > > I take index cards with the verse written (or printed) on one side and >the reverence on the other. > > After I finish learning a bunch of them (normally a chapter), I shuffle >them. We'll call this Stack "A". I take the first 10 (more after I know >them pretty well) off of stack "A". This is stack "B". > > I start with the first card on stack "B". I look at just the reference >and try to quote it to myself. Then I check myself by turning it over and >reading the verse. If I struggle at all to remember which verse it was, or >if I misquote it I put it on the bottom of stack "B". If I get it correct I >remove it and put the top card from stack "A" on the bottom of stack "B". > > Trying to explain it only in text makes it sound confusing, but it's >pretty simple. The benifits of this is that you keep asking yourself the >ones you struggle with and slowly mix in new cards as you get the verses >right. Another twist to this is to turn the cards you missed upside down >when you put it back into stack "B". Then when you get it right the first >time you turn it right-side-up, and return it to the back of stack "B". This >forces you to get it right twice in a row after missing it. > > Comment appreciated :), > Lee Schaeffer > lschaefnb.net > > > =============================================================================== Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 18:41:20 -0600 (MDT) Subject: memorizing with someone From:ew C Smith) >Here is my own question for the group. How many of you work with >a friend/spouse on memorization and review? I am confident that this >type of help and accountability can make a big difference. Comments? I think that it would be a great help to do this. Unfortunately, my wife is a PK (preacher's kid), and had to memorize so much as a child that she's sick of it. So I do it on my own. - A.C. Smith ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] =============================================================================== Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 18:41:22 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Moderator's Note From: Drake Mariani At 07:57 PM Friday, you wrote: > Here is my own question for the group. How many of you work with a >friend/spouse on memorization and review? I am confident that this type of >help and accountability can make a big difference. Comments? Three things make Scripture memory work, even for "memleakee" people like me.... Review, Accountability, and Desire. There's accountability, and then there's accountability, ya know what I mean? I say, there has to be a form to be signed (a covenant -in Memlok) by the helper who is to be fired if he doesn't aggressively initiate "Let's hear it" and then signs a "completion record" (in Memlok) so there's an ongoing record of progress. Eccl 4:9,10,12 suggests 3 is better than 2. My experience verifiess that. If your mate is your partner, it breaks down when you haven't been "up to par" for the week. Often you don't ask your mate. It is also prone to "commonness" as in, there are so many other things we're trying to keep up in the air. Plus, if there is tension over an unresolved issue, it's easy to "get out of the rhythym". Then getting started is hard. My pastor for years (Chuck Swindoll) had an unsaved marine hold him accountable. The guy wrote years later. "I knew what you were doing Mr Famous Guy, and yes, I'm a believer today!" Cool! I recommend the key primary partner be a same-sex, firm, regularly seen (at least once a week) person. Of course, we still hold the kids accountable, but that can break down over the long haul. They should be "secondary" partners as I suggest the mate should be too. Just one opinion. Definitely don't try to be the lone ranger. Even he had Tonto! Drake Mariani 800-373-1947 Memlok.com-Bible Memory Free Brochure http://www.memlok.com Laugh! Archives http://www.memlok.com/laugh.html Free "Net Blocking" http://www.memlok.com/deolira.htm Y2K Reference Guide http://www.memlok.com/y2k.htm Dozens of quality Free Offers http://www.memlok.com/freestuf.htm 36 Free Scripture Memory Tips http://www.memlok.com/tips.htm Free 800# & 8.9 cents long dist http://www.memlok.com/harvest.htm Save to 40% Memlok Book/Music Store http://www.memlok.com/bookstore.htm =============================================================================== Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 18:41:21 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Moderator's Note From: List, Stephen asked; << Here is my own question for the group. How many of you work with a friend/spouse on memorization and review? I am confident that this type of help and accountability can make a big difference. Comments? >> Okay, I'll bite. I mentioned this some time ago. First, I'm very strong on daily family worship. Taking my wife & children to the presence of Christ in family Psalm/Hymn singing, Scripture reading, & praying. Well I mention that because in this very context (the context of worshipping the Only One worthy!) we do memorization. My wife & I memorize the same text. Usually one verse at a time, with the goal of a whole paragraph or Psalm. Then the children (14 & 10) have theirs (which I have selected). My memorization plan for them includes (1) The Westminster Shorter Catechism (a Reformation Teaching tool that was used quite regularly in Presbyterian, Baptist & Congregational circles for centuries, & is making a come back now. It takes the Scriptural teachings & systematizes them into a flowing theological schema); (2) Individual verses when they're younger; (3) lerger sections of scripture as they get older (to include whole Psalms); (4) & even to include a few hymns. Rigerous stuff, eh? But this what I do. Then every morning & evening we all, at the breakfast/dinner table; repeat our memorization stuff that we're working on. That way we get to see each other stumble, bumble, & finally succeed. It's a great way for me, the pastor & bishop of my family, to see how well they're doing & to find out if they understand what they're memorizing, etc. Well, enough. This may seem overwhelming, but it's not really. It's simply taking three to five minutes of your morning & three to five minutes of your evening - to lead your family closer to Christ. It does require a little self-discipline, but God has not given us a spirit of fear; but of love & power & of self-control (2 Tim 1:7). Michael W. Philliber Air Force Health Professions Recruiter (Retire April 1999, 20 yrs service); Part-time student at Reformed Theological Seminary-Jackson MS; Preacher Pickens Presbyerian Church (PCA) in Mississippi; Full-time hubby (19 years!) & daddy of three (14, 10, 1). =============================================================================== Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 10:18:03 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Family memorization plan From:ew C Smith) On Sat, 17 Oct 1998 18:41:21 -0600 (MDT) Ub2koolaol.com writes: >The Westminster Shorter Catechism (a Reformation Teaching >tool that was used quite regularly in Presbyterian, Baptist & >Congregational circles for centuries, & is making a come back now. It takes the >Scriptural teachings & systematizes them into a flowing theological schema). A similar tool is Luther's small catechism, which has the advantage of being shorter, and therefore more easily memorized. The actual catechism is about ten pages long, but is usually buried in a hundred pages of comments and explanations. >even to include a few hymns. Hymns are excellent for small children to memorized. Their structures of meter and rhyme make them ideal for memory. They naturally "lock in" to young minds (and old minds, too!). - Andy Smith ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] =============================================================================== Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 10:18:00 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: memorizing with someone From: In a message dated 10/17/98 7:48:03 PM US Eastern Standard Time, a.c.smithjuno.com writes: > >Here is my own question for the group. How many of you work with > >a friend/spouse on memorization and review? I am confident that this > >type of help and accountability can make a big difference. Comments? > > I think that it would be a great help to do this. Unfortunately, my wife > is a PK (preacher's kid), and had to memorize so much as a child that > she's sick of it. So I do it on my own. > I find that my wife enjoys it when I recite a chapter to her at night before going to sleep. It kind of fits with the Eph 5 passage that we husbands are to wash our wives with the water through the word. She does not particularly care to check me for accuracy, though she will if I am gettng ready for a presentation. Dean May Terre Haute, IN =============================================================================== Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 10:18:02 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Moderator's Note From: "Lorry Schoenly" Stephen: Well, I'm convicted! No, I don't have a partner. Yes, Drake, I AM being a Lone Ranger. Like Andrew, my spouse is turned off by memorization. Well, I'm making this a matter of prayer. The Lord has someone out there for me to be accountable to........I'll keep you posted. Lorry -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Simpson To: biblememorymylist.net Date: Friday, October 16, 1998 11:04 PM Subject: Moderator's Note >Greetings, > > At this time there are now 200 members of the biblememory discussion >list! > > I have just put up the archives to the list for July, August and >September. You can read these files at >http://home.istar.ca/~ssimpson/archives.shtml > > I would also like to encourage more of you to participate in our >conversation on Bible memorization and meditation. With 200 members, I am >sure that more of you have things to share. Do not hesitate to share the >things which make scripture memorization difficult for you. If you are >struggling with maintaining scripture memory habits, but wish it to change, >perhaps the rest of the group can encourage you. > > Here is my own question for the group. How many of you work with a >friend/spouse on memorization and review? I am confident that this type of >help and accountability can make a big difference. Comments? > >Stephen Simpson >ssimpsonistar.ca > > > =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:20:24 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Memorization for Children From: "Stephen Simpson" Greetings, My son is currently in the French Immersion program at his school. He is in grade one. For our non Canadian friends, this is a setting in which most of what is spoken in the classroom is French, not English. This means that his education in basic English, such as spelling, reading and writing is up to myself and my wife. This is very time consuming because we have to review his French as well. I intend on using the NIV Bible as his reader, speller and guide for printing in English. I know that this is a very old idea. I think the Jews who learned to read and write did so from their scriptures. It is a good way to do two things at once. My question is, does anyone else have any comment / information on this way of learning English / memorizing and learning scripture? Stephen Simpson ssimpsonistar.ca =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:11:30 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Family memorization plan From: Andy; My comments:<< >The Westminster Shorter Catechism (a Reformation Teaching >tool that was used quite regularly in Presbyterian, Baptist & Congregational circles for centuries, & is making a come back now. It takes the Scriptural teachings & systematizes them into a flowing theological schema).<>> Your comments <> Yes, I too enjoy Luther's Small Catechism (w/ the exception of his division of the 10 Commandments). & his terse, sharp & to-the-point definitions of the 10 Commandments. & I think as long as both of these Catechisms (& the Heidelburg Catechism as well) are seen as great tools in family instruction of the doctrines & theology of Sacred Scripture, then as fathers & bishops of our homes, we have valuable tools in the training up of our children in the instruction & admonition of the Lord. All three Catechisms, in fact, have "Scripture Proofs", which give a great systemization in memorization. I hope that anyone reading this would be encouraged to start using such valuable tools with their children (as well as for themselves). One final thought. I tried to stress in my previous post, the significance of family memorization in the context of family times of worship (daily preferably). Again, let me stress it. If I, my wife & children see that we're memorizing within the context of adoring & worshipping the One & Almighty God, then it may help to (1) encourage greater undertanding of the text & purpose of memorizing that specific text, & (2) encourage greater DEPTH in worshipping the Lord Christ (the goal of our lives & our memorization. Right?) Michael W. Philliber =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:11:28 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: NT reading schedule From: "Michael Jackson" Many thanks to Keith Swayne for the guide to reading through the NT. Mike Jackson jacksonmgghlaw.com =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 18:41:14 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: (music) Memorization for Children From: Robin Witcher a.c.smith commented: >Any way in which you can include music (make a simple song out of a verse >to be memorized, or buy such on cassettes or CDs) is very helpful for >small children. I thoroughly agree with you on this one. I have a 6 year old and a nine year old and I we have purchased some of Integrity music's Donut Man cassettes for children. Each one has a central theme and scripture verses to it that emphasize the meaning... then the verses themselves are set to music or done in a rhythmic chant where they are easy to remember. I've done the same thing with my children also... for example we "created" an additional verse to "Jesus loves me" by putting the words to John 3:16 to the tune. And in the course where the words "for the Bible tells me so" go... we substituted "for John 3:16 says so" My now 6 year old daughter was quoting John 3:16 at the age of 3 1/2 by putting it to music. Take your child's favorite tunes and put scripture verses to them. It definitely works. It's also helped me remember them. I know most of the Christmas and Easter stories and Passages from Isaiah and Revelations from music (The Messiah, and various Easter and Christmas cantatas that have set the words to music)... John W. Peterson wrote many cantatas that were the Scripture, verbatim, set to music. It works well for adults too. By the way in case I've failed to introduce myself, my name is Robin. I'm a 36 year old mother of two, married and working at the State University of West Georgia. My 30 minute drive each morning and evening to work are wonderful opportunities for scripture memory tapes and this time of year... Christmas cantata tapes. Integrity Music also has a series of Scripture Memory tapes for adults.. they are themed verses on various topics from Spiritual Warfare to Praising God in Song..... They are also helpful if you like contemporary Christian music. If you don't then don't order them. Robin Witcher, ITS Visit "The Bean Pole" at http://www.westga.edu/~rwitcher =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 18:41:15 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: (music) Memorization for Children From: "Anne S" From: Andrew C Smith >Any way in which you can include music (make a simple song out of a verse >to be memorized, or buy such on cassettes or CDs) is very helpful for >small children. > We used a wonderful CD from Steve Green at Vacation Bible School this summer called "Hide 'Em in Your Heart" which is all songs directly from Scripture for children. There's a video too. Very well done and the kids LOVED the music and really learned the words to the songs, the verses,. which included the references. =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 06:38:41 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Memorization for Children From: In a message dated 10/19/98 4:21:10 PM Central Daylight Time, ssimpsonistar.ca writes: << My question is, does anyone else have any comment / information on this way of learning English / memorizing and learning scripture? >> I think it's a great idea. Mike Philliber =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 06:38:43 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: NT reading schedule From: "Lloyd Douglas" This is my first posting. I wanted to respond briefly to the NT reading schedule that was sent out. It is commendable to take on a goal like this. I found that this would be more than I could handle with all the other goals I have in my own personal study so I set a goal to read through the gospels and Acts once during the year and the epistles and Revelation twice. I count the chapters and it works out to about 2 chapters a day. Last year I also read through the OT (very important that we continue to read in the OT) which requires about 2 chapters a day (I read a Psalm each morning and a portion of the Proverbs so these are not included in my calculations). You may have to read 3 for a few days to complete the reading. This year I have decided to follow the same pattern for the NT but I wanted to focus on Genesis so I laid out a plan to read through Genesis (a chapter a day which is a little more than a month and a half) but to read it through five times each time using a different translation than I normally read (NASB). Already this has proven profitable with the insights reading through the NKJV in my second time through. I normally would not write my insights down (I have done it intermittently) but I was given the journal sheets that the Navigators use to encourage daily Bible reading and a personal response and I am finding that I am more diligent to make sure I read each day so I can write down my insights for that day. I have read the Word of God since I became a Christian (a definite indicator that a person is a Christian -- John 8:31,32) but I am appreciating this format and realize the value for someone who has never incorporate personal Bible reading as a non-Christian. Well enough said for now. in Christ, Lloyd Douglas, Psalm 105.4 -----Original Message----- From: Keith Swayne To: biblememoryMyList.net Date: Friday, October 16, 1998 7:20 PM Subject: NT reading schedule >Lorry Schoenly wrote: >> >> Reading the NT through each month sounds like a challenge. Do >you have a >> schedule you can share that breaks down the NT into 30 >sections? I'd like >> to give it a try. >> >> Lorry > >See the following two schedules. The first allows you to read the >NT in one month, the second is for two months. > >These divisions were made by a computer program called >QuickVerse. The divisions are usually end at paragraph divisions, >rather than half way through a story. > >I really like QuickVerse. It integrates seamlessly with MS Word, >has all kids of translations and can integrate with a bunch of >other study tools. They just released version 5, and a Greek >version, which I haven't seen. If you're interested, check it out >at http://www.quickverse.com/. > >Read NT in one month (average 256 verses/day) > >1. Matthew 1:1-9:31 >2. Matthew 9:32-15:31 >3. Matthew 15:32-23:24 >4. Matthew 23:25-28:20 >5. Mark 1:1-7:13 >6. Mark 7:14-12:44 >7. Mark 13-16; Luke 1:1-2:7 >8. Luke 2:8-8:15 >9. Luke 8:16-13:9 >10. Luke 13:10-20:8 >11. Luke 20:9-24:35 >12. Luke 24:36-53; John 1:1-6:40 >13. John 6:41-11:29 >14. John 11:30-18:11 >15. John 18:12-21:25; Acts 1-4 >16. Acts 5:1-11:15 >17. Acts 11:16-17:15 >18. Acts 17:16-24:27 >19. Acts 25-28; Romans 1-5 >20. Romans 6:1-15:13 >21. Romans 15:14-16:27; 1 Corinthians 1-10 >22. 1 Corinthians 11-16; 2 Corinthians 1-4 >23. 2 Corinthians 5-13; Galatians 1:1-4:11 >24. Galatians 4:12-6:18; Ephesians; Phillipians 1:1-2:11 >25. Phillipians 2:12-4:23; Colossians; 1 Thessalonians 1:1-5:11 >26. 1 Thessalonians 5:12-28; 2 Th; 1 Timothy; 2 Timothy; Titus >1-2 >27. Titus 3; Philemon; Hebrews 1-10 >28. Hebrews 11-13; James; 1 Peter 1:1-2:10 >29. 1 Peter 2:11-5:14; 2 Peter; 1 John 1:1-5:12 >30. 1 John 5:13-21; 2 John; 3 John; Jude; Revelation 1-10 >31. Revelation 11-22 > >Read the NT in two months (avg 128 verses/day) > >1. Mat 1:1-5:37 >2. Mat 5:38-9:31 >3. Mat 9:32-12:50 >4. Mat 13:1-15:31 >5. Mat 15:32-20:16 >6. Mat 20:17-23:39 >7. Mat 24:1-26:35 >8. Mat 26:36-28:20; Mark 1:1-11 >9. Mark 1:12-4:41 >10. Mark 5-7 >11. Mark 8:1-10:34 >12. Mark 10:35-13:23 >13. Mark 13:24-16:8 >14. Mark 16:9-20; Luke 1:1-2:38 >15. Luke 2:39-6:11 >16. Luke 6:12-8:56 >17. Luke 9:1-11:28 >18. Luke 11:29-14:11 >19. Luke 14:12-18:14 >20. Luke 18:15-20:47 >21. Luke 21-22 >22. Luke 23-24; John 1:1-28 >23. John 1:29-4:54 >24. John 5:1-7:13 >25. John 7:14-9:34 >26. John 9:35-12:36 >27. John 12:37-16:11 >28. John 16:12-19:42 >29. John 20-21; Acts 1-2 >30. Acts 3:1-7:16 >31. Acts 7:17-9:30 >32. Acts 9:31-13:22 >33. Acts 13:23-16:10 >34. Acts 16:11-19:20 >35. Acts 19:21-22:30 >36. Acts 23:1-27:26 >37. Acts 27:27-28:31; Rom 1-3 >38. Rom 4:1-8:11 >39. Rom 8:12-12:21 >40. Rom 13-16; 1 Cor 1:1-3:9 >41. 1 Cor 3:10-8:13 >42. 1 Cor 9:1-14:12 >43. 1 Cor 14:13-16:24; 2 Cor 1 >44. 2 Cor 2-9 >45. 2 Cor 10-13; Gal 1-2 >46. Gal 3-6; Eph 1 >47. Eph 2-6; Phil 1:1-11 >48. Phil 1:12-4:23; Col 1:1-23 >49. Col 1:24-4:18; 1 Th 1-3 >50. 1 Th 4-5; 2 Th; 1 Tim 1-4 >51. 1 Tim 5-6; 2 Tim >52. Titus; Phile; Heb 1-3 >53. Heb 4:1-10:31 >54. Heb 10:32-13:25; James 1 >55. James 2-5; 1 Pet 1 >56. 1 Pet 2-5; 2 Pet 1-2 >57. 2 Pet 3; 1 John 1:1-5:12 >58. 1 John 5:13-21; 2 John; 3 John; Jude; Rev 1:1-3:13 >59. Rev 3:14-10:11 >60. Rev 11:1-17:8 >61. Rev 17:9-22:21 > >Keith Swayne >"Quot linguas calles, tot homines vales." -- Charles V > >languagehome.com > > > > =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 06:35:50 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: (music) Memorization for Children From: cathy cox We used a wonderful CD from Steve Green at Vacation Bible School this summer >called "Hide 'Em in Your Heart" which is all songs directly from Scripture >for children. Oh, Thank you so much for this information!! Cathy Cox prov31mindspring.com =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 06:35:48 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: (music) Memorization for Children From: Dave Cook Andrew Smith said... >Any way in which you can include music (make a simple song out of a verse >to be memorized, or buy such on cassettes or CDs) is very helpful for >small children. There are a number of scripture songs for kids at the Scripture Song Source website. They are free downloads! http://place2b.org/scrpsngsrc/ Dave Cook =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 06:35:45 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Moderator's Note From: "Amy Martindale" I work with my brother sometimes. Whenever I get to where I feel like I just can't concentrate or I'm not getting anything done I ask him to work with me. Just having to quote it out loud helps me. Our quiz team keeps each other accountable. We set two week goals for each other and then come up with crazy punishments for if we don't accomplish them. I had to propose to someone once when I didn't finish in time. ;( -Amy ----Original Message Follows---- Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:57:54 -0600 (MDT) To: From: "Stephen Simpson" Subject: Moderator's Note Reply-To: biblememoryMyList.net Greetings, At this time there are now 200 members of the biblememory discussion list! I have just put up the archives to the list for July, August and September. You can read these files at http://home.istar.ca/~ssimpson/archives.shtml I would also like to encourage more of you to participate in our conversation on Bible memorization and meditation. With 200 members, I am sure that more of you have things to share. Do not hesitate to share the things which make scripture memorization difficult for you. If you are struggling with maintaining scripture memory habits, but wish it to change, perhaps the rest of the group can encourage you. Here is my own question for the group. How many of you work with a friend/spouse on memorization and review? I am confident that this type of help and accountability can make a big difference. Comments? Stephen Simpson ssimpsonistar.ca ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 06:20:31 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Moderator's Note From: I work on my verses alone...While I'd like to have an accountability partner, I haven't found anyone to work with me on this yet. :( Love reading all the ideas! I used to memorize the verse numbers. But then I decided to do it like Jesus and just say "it is written." :) Actually I 've decided now just to work on whole books, and only memorize the chapter number. I can then easily find what I'm looking for if I need to show it to someone. Peg =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 06:34:25 -0700 (MST) Subject: hi everyone :) From: "Robyn Meyer" Hi people! I've just joined the list and thought I'd introduce myself. My name's Robyn and I'm 21 from Adelaide, Australia. I've been a Christian for about five years but haven't really gotten into reading the Bible - so I decided that maybe learning bible verses would be a good way of getting into the word of God. I've only started recently - in the last week or two, so I'm pretty new at it but it's great. I'm learning heaps about the Bible and also the verses I'm learning have really come in handy at times (like when I've been stressing and I remember Phil 4:6). I was so shocked the first time that happened!! It was great! It was a real help coming across the Scripture Memorization Page - it really challanged me to put some time and effort into it, and made me think about why I was doing it. So have a great day everyone, from a new memorizer, Robyn xx ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 19:08:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: hi everyone :) From: On 29 Oct, Robyn Meyer wrote: > Hi people! > > I've just joined the list and thought I'd introduce myself. My name's > Robyn and I'm 21 from Adelaide, Australia. Well wouldn't ya know it... Someone else from little old Adelaide! My name is Tim, I'm 24, and I've been a Christian for pretty much all my life (although I guess only really started taking it seriously in high school). > I've been a Christian for > about five years but haven't really gotten into reading the Bible - so I > decided that maybe learning bible verses would be a good way of getting > into the word of God. I've only started recently - in the last week or > two, so I'm pretty new at it but it's great. I'm learning heaps about > the Bible and also the verses I'm learning have really come in handy at > times (like when I've been stressing and I remember Phil 4:6). I was so > shocked the first time that happened!! It was great! It was a real help > coming across the Scripture Memorization Page - it really challanged me > to put some time and effort into it, and made me think about why I was > doing it. I must admit that I've been slack haven't yet started memorising, but last night my small group and I decided that we'd all take on the challenge, which means lots of people to be accountable to (I knew I wouldn't be able to do it by myself)! I'm very thankful that I found the web site too, as it really has opened my eyes to the need for memorisation. This list also has lots of good ideas, and it's so good to see people so positive about reading the bible (honing that Sword of the Spirit). It's great to hear that memorising is really working for you. That in itself has spurred me on a bit (including the fact that it's someone geographically close to me, and not half a world away). I pray that God richly blesses you with His word constantly! > So have a great day everyone, from a new memorizer, Robyn xx I wasn't earlier on today, but I think I will now (I needed to hear that bible verse too)! It's amazing how God works! Tim. Standing at the foot of the Cross.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Wundke Phone: +61 8 8303 6077 Analyst/Programmer - Electronic Commerce Fax: +61 8 8303 4403 Camtech SA Pty =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 06:34:23 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Moderator's Note From: In a message dated 10/28/98 7:20:55 AM Central Standard Time, Php12aol.com writes: << Actually I 've decided now just to work on whole books, and only memorize the chapter number. I can then easily find what I'm looking for if I need to show it to someone. >> Always someone trying to show off (;~) Keep it up. Mike Philliber =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 06:34:24 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Moderator's Note From: "Dennyj" Wow, that's quite an undertaking. I haven't memorized scripture in a long time... really want too... Kimberly -----Original Message----- From: Php12aol.com To: biblememoryMyList.net Date: Wednesday, October 28, 1998 8:26 AM Subject: Re: Moderator's Note >I work on my verses alone...While I'd like to have an accountability >partner, >I haven't found anyone to work with me on this yet. :( > >Love reading all the ideas! > >I used to memorize the verse numbers. But then I decided to do it like >Jesus >and just say "it is written." :) Actually I 've decided now just to work >on >whole books, and only memorize the chapter number. I can then easily find >what I'm looking for if I need to show it to someone. > >Peg > > > > ===============================================================================